Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 10, 2005
Specific Security Alert

The following is not from a fringe conspiration mongering website, but a Haaretz correspondent report.

Israelis evacuated from Amman hotel hours before bombings

A number of Israelis staying on Wednesday at the Radisson hotel were evacuated before the bombing by Jordanian security forces, apparently due to a specific security alert. They were escorted back to Israel by security personnel.

The Foreign Ministry stated Wednesday that no Israeli tourists are known to have been injured in the blasts. Representatives of Israel’s embassy in Amman were in contact with local authorities to examine any report of injured Israelis, but none were received. There are often a number of Israeli businessman and tourists in Amman, including in the hotels hit Wednesday.

UPDATE (06:23am): Haaretz has changed its report now, but under the same URL so the old one is no longer available.

No truth to report of Israeli evacuations before Amman bombs

There is no truth to reports that Israelis staying at the Radisson SAS hotel in Amman on Wednesday were evacuated by Jordanian security forces before the bombing that took place there.

The Israelis were escorted back to Israel by Jordanian security personnel only after the attacks had taken place, contrary to earlier reports.

Juan Cole also linked to the original Haaretz report and wrote

.. it transpires that Jordanian security operatives came to the Radisson earlier in the day and escorted Israeli tourists from the hotel.

Aljazeera also refers to the original Haaretz report as does KUNA.

Now I am not sure what I am supposed to believe here. Did Haaretz screw up big time, or did they get a friendly phone call from their military censor?

Then this:

Of course Abu Musab ‘Goldstein’ al-Zarqawi is the prime suspect and Al-Qaida claimed responsibility and it is reported that his spokesman posted such on a website.

Now please folks – there is no anonymous website on the Internet. Any website can be tracked down, its traffic can be monitored and the physical location of the posters can be determined.

If one is prepared to do so, it can happen within minutes after something gets posted. I once helped to track down a blackmailer in such an operation. There was no chance we would not get him – so please.

If an Al-Qaeda operative posts something on an obviously known website, why isn´t he/she staring into a gun 10 minutes later?

Comments

does this mean that israelis were evacuated but simple goys were left to be blown up ?
are you trying to imply that al-zarqawi is a jew or an israeli agent by giving him the middle name “goldstein” ?
bernhard, your article reeks of anti-semitism. just like those who say that bibi netanyahu was warned before the london bombings of 7/7, or that israelis were arrested for celebrating the 9/11 attentates, or that israeli death squads have repeatedly been reported to operate inside iraq.
i am very surprised, indeed, to find such vile suggestions here, of all places.

Posted by: name | Nov 10 2005 12:06 utc | 1

name is being sarcastic?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 10 2005 12:16 utc | 2

@name
The “Goldstein” Bernhard is alluding to is Emmanuel Goldstein from George Orwell’s novel 1984. Emmanuel Goldstein was the largely imaginary face of the enemy of Big Brother. “Goldstein” refers to propaganda and not any population deme.
As for the implication that the Israelis might have had prior knowledge and allowed others to die… well, of course that suggestion is just vile. When has the nation of Israel ever been responsible for deaths that served their interests? The mere suggestion that they would ever do anything unscrupulous is anti-Semitic and we should never give voice to such awful, politically incorrect thoughts. Thanks for bringing us back into line before we found ourselves straying into the realm of unbiased critical thinking.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 10 2005 12:18 utc | 3

does this mean that israelis were evacuated but simple goys were left to be blown up ?
Yes exactly.
bernhard, your article reeks of anti-semitism
Bullshit!

Posted by: b | Nov 10 2005 12:20 utc | 4

I would like to know the names and occupations of those evacuated. I doubt they were “tourists.”

Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Nov 10 2005 12:39 utc | 5

@ b
Fantastic example of the “memory hole” in operation.
Once you’ve rewritten the text (or torn the pages out
of the Soviet Encyclopedia) the story (as a “certified object”) no longer exists, and the “new facts” supersede
the old. Who knows, it could even have happened the way we are now told it happened, but it takes an enormous act
of faith to believe that a serious newspaper like Haaretz published something so completely at odds with the “revised standard version”.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 10 2005 12:55 utc | 6

name!! don’t blame b , he didn’t write the friggin article. are you so blind . are we never to criticize israel lest we are immediately pegged anti semite? fuck off. go read the 51st state thread. then go throw up

Posted by: annie | Nov 10 2005 13:04 utc | 7

sooorry, i probably over reacted

Posted by: annie | Nov 10 2005 13:09 utc | 8

annie, do not apologize
THE head of the Palestinian intelligence services, Bashir Nafeh, was among those killed in a blast that shook a hotel in the Jordanian capital, a top Palestinian diplomat said.
“Bashir Nafeh was killed in the attack on the Grand Hyatt hotel,” charge d’affaires Atallah Khairy said.
At least 57 people were killed and up to 300 wounded in three successive attacks on the Radisson SAS, Grand Hyatt and Days Inn hotels this morning, Jordanian officials said.

http://www.news.com.au/story/print/0,10119,17199844,00.html

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 10 2005 13:20 utc | 9

If an Al-Qaeda operative posts something on an obviously known website, why isn´t he/she staring into a gun 10 minutes later?
Um, because if the fictional website existed, it wasn’t actually run by Al-Qaeda … unless you’re referring to the original inceptors and financial backers of the Afghan Mujahideen … and in any case any such ‘posting’ is not likely to have been posted by an Al-Qaeda operative, per se, quite the contrary.
Anyone remember the magical ‘appearance’ of the Nick Berg video from a supposed Al-Qaeda website and the utter lack of investigative pursuit ?
It is known as a “false flag” operation. You disguise your own soldiers or mercenaries or somebody to attack your own people so that can take actions you had planned in advance. The Romans used this with great success for a very, very long time. Machiavelli writes about it in ‘The Prince’. It is, quite literally, the oldest trick in the book. Where do you think the saying “Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer” comes from.
First, guarantee that you have the force to completely overwhelm any enemy. Second, keep that enemy so close that anyone would mistake them for your friend. Then, mistreat your “friend”. Because you are so close you will read him like a book and know when and how he plans to attack you. Now plan your response so you can get the most benefit from it.
The United States government has demonstrably misled the American public into almost every major conflict.
The Spanish-American War took place in 1898, and resulted in the United States of America gaining control over the former colonies of Spain in the Caribbean and Pacific. The false drive to war in support of government policy is the epitomy of ‘Yellow Journalism’ and the human consequences of ‘jingoism’.(Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain!)
In WWI Germany told us frankly to stop using commercial ships to transport arms to England or they would sink one. We ignored them, continued to ship arms in commercial liners, and then reacted with outrage when the Lusitania was sunk.
In Vietnam the Navy reported that North Vietnamese gunboats were firing on destroyers in international waters. Lyndon B Johnson used this to escalate our involvement in the war. This event, which occurred at the Gulf of Tonkin, is now proven to be completely false.(especially the declassified records at the National Security Archive)
Before JFK was assassinated the joint chiefs were itching for a fight with Cuba. They drew up plans to fake attacks on US airliners and ships that would be blamed on Cuba and used as a reason to invade. Kennedy refused. Then Kennedy was …
If you do not believe that our government, or certain allies, would engage in a “false flag” operation against their own civilian population then read up on Operation Northwoods.(especially the declassified records (PDF) at the National Security Archive)
Disinformation … it takes just one lie to begin to discredit facts.
Just take the “official story” a piece at a time and analyze it against what the opposition is saying. Don’t look for the truth; you may never find it.
Alas, we’ve been warned before …

“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.”
– Benjamin Franklin
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”
– Dwight Eisenhower
“The truth is just a lie that hasn’t been found out yet”.
– The Osterman Weekend (1983)

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 13:35 utc | 10

Ah, they’ve already changed the story leaving you to wonder which version is correct.

Posted by: Ensley | Nov 10 2005 13:38 utc | 11

@name
Wake Up Neo …(animated Image(small size)).

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 13:42 utc | 12

Wow, I’m getting billing from outside of Arkansas….
Thanks, Outraged…
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http://www.conwaycommunity.com
and of course my site:
http://www.fcso.info
http://www.fcso.info/blog.php

Posted by: Neo | Nov 10 2005 14:19 utc | 13

If al Qaeda wasn’t responsible for the attack wouldn’t we expect a competing claim of responsibility to come from those who were?
I share the doubts that have been expressed about Zarqawi’s role in the insurgency, and anyone can borrow the al Qaeda brand name without necessarily working under the direct authority of Osama or Zarqawi, but it doesn’t make sense that those responsible would allow someone else to take credit for their handiwork. Also, the fact the perpetrators were able to counduct three simultaneous attack under the noses of the Jordanian authorities -who, as Juan Cole points out, have generally been quite successful in penetrating Islamic cells- points to a high degree of sophistication on the part of those responsible.

Posted by: Lexington | Nov 10 2005 14:41 utc | 14

Name used to post here with some regularity and I seem to recall several posts where he/she took Israel to task and got hit with the anti-Semite tag. I believe name was being sarcastic with this entry.

Posted by: lonesomeG | Nov 10 2005 14:49 utc | 15

There is a sameness about all these attacks that leads to numbness:
1) Vague or specific warnings, or rumors of warnings. Bibi (Netanyahou) was warned of the London bombing attacks and did not go close. (Attested to and admitted, see one link with one story.)
2) Ongoing security drills. Or at least the unusual presence of security, police, etc. Sometimes TV as well! Or even mysterious film makers, such as the vanishing French Naudet brothers (Fireman’s video, as it is called, of 9/11).
3) Bombs or blasts for which eyewitness reports (or very early press reports, sometimes even pictures – e.g. Bali) and final descriptions do not match. E.g. in the London bombings, it is said, some bombs were on the tracks.
4) No clear published descriptions of results of forensic analysis – only confusion. Stories vary: bombs detonated by hand, by cell phone, etc.
5) Very odd, slight, or even nonsensical, or subsequently debunked, announcements of authorship, only very rarely containing the regular threats (more will follow if….) and demands (we want..) – competely contrary to ‘terrorist’ MO. Often, a mysterious phone call, something published on an internet site, from a group ‘linked to Al Quaida’ is all that emerges.
5) Perps who are conveniently dead, but whose background or links to terrorism are never explained; or culprits who kill themselves (Madrid) or somehow conveniently escape or vanish, or are apparently never even identified (UN bombing in Baghdad) despite enquiries, etc. When profiles and identities are published, they often make very unconvincing terrorists. (e.g Ziad Jarrah, London) or are shown to have had known links with police, secret services, etc. (Madrid, Bin Laden.)
6) Court cases that either fizzle out for lack of evidence (Germany – the 9/11 ‘cell’), or are obviously show trials, with the accused high as a kite and pleading guilty but unable to give details (Bali), or are stalled for ever (Moussaoui). Finally, some culprits are charged, judged, and jailed, but nobody bothers about when they are released, and that often happens speedily (e.g. Mohamed Ali, prosecuted by Fitz for the US Embassy bombings in Africa, a free man today, I have read.) Sometimes the accused are not individuals but a group, a ‘regime’ and the detective work is laughable (Mehlis report, Syria).
7) No follow up. Story dies: nothing to see here, move along. Even the commemorative ceremonies seem to lack sincerity – have a weird quality (e.g. ceremonies at the Pentagon, which hardly mentioned the victims; folk concerts or whatever it was for 9/11, etc.)
8) No analysis, few serious books. No post mortems. No statements by terrorist movements. No repenting terrorists who tell all and marry and have 5 kids. Nothing. Silence.
9) White vans!
All this is now accepted as the ‘script’ for terrorist attacks.
Globalisation isn’t just about textiles, tee shirts and underpants.
link

Posted by: Noisette | Nov 10 2005 17:27 utc | 16

Hmmm, it would appear the evil arch-terrorist, Goldstein has now been tampering with true and correct copies of the White house briefing transcripts … hell, even tampering with video and audio recordings …

White House Stands by ‘Not Accurate’ Quote in Dispute

Editor and Publisher asked the White House spokeswoman Dana Perino about the discrepancy:
When asked about the fact that the White House version contradicts video accounts of the briefing, Perino added, “the White House stenographer was in the room and I was in the room” and they heard McClellan say “I don’t think that’s accurate.”

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 19:22 utc | 17

because the media( as malooga & chomsly have suggested – & i agree) is in the business of selling lies, reproducing them or indeed of fabricating them altogether – it is not surprising – that we question vehemently a newspaper like haaretz & can imagine any number of possibilities
& i agree with noisette theur is a nauseous repetitiveness in these operations – they are for the grand part – ‘easy’ – ‘soft targets’ etc etc & they dissapear into thin air
on the surface they appear to serve the interest of the empire more than they do the people who are supposedly claming them
in any case their manufactuing of lies – creates the necessity for us to question everything & as i’ve quoted before the wm burroughs dictum that a paranoic is a person in full possession of the facts

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 10 2005 19:40 utc | 18

last night when i read this post i emailed the link to raw story
and one other news source . i notice none of the blogs are running w/it , yet. i think it’s damning. this morn i noticed they did comment

Just a quick note since I’d gotten a few emails about this. I linked to a story which asserted that Israelis were evacuated before the Amman blasts yesterday, a report in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. Haaretz is a reliable, largely balanced paper. They get the stories right.
Apparently, this time they didn’t. The first edition of the story was changed to something completely the opposite, and of course, since once I put a story up I don’t click through to see if it changed, I had left up a link with an older headline without knowing the root story had changed.
Thanks for your understanding. Unfortunately, we can’t predict when other papers will change their stories overnight.

Posted by: annie | Nov 10 2005 19:42 utc | 19

current haaretz

It was still unclear whether there were any other Israeli casualties in the attack. Hours before the bombings, many Israelis were evacuated from the Radisson SAS, one of the hotels hit in the attacks, apparently due to a specific security alert.

Posted by: annie | Nov 10 2005 20:04 utc | 20

hmm, i’ll try that again
current haaretz

It was still unclear whether there were any other Israeli casualties in the attack. Hours before the bombings, many Israelis were evacuated from the Radisson SAS, one of the hotels hit in the attacks, apparently due to a specific security alert.

Posted by: annie | Nov 10 2005 20:06 utc | 21

very strange. i will try that one more time. Last update – 18:20 10/11/2005
King Abdullah cancels trip to Israel after Amman triple suicide bombing

It was still unclear whether there were any other Israeli casualties in the attack. Hours before the bombings, many Israelis were evacuated from the Radisson SAS, one of the hotels hit in the attacks, apparently due to a specific security alert.

Posted by: annie | Nov 10 2005 20:12 utc | 22

Cloned and lonesomeG got it: i was being sarcastic.
i found it deeply satisfying to see this article by bernhard after he and jerome warned me because of “antisemitism” in a past thread. when you spit into the sky, take care lest it falls into your eye.
so, now lemme try to get another smackdown from bernhard …
there is another supposed major terror op going on against countries which were against the war on irak: there is a person called wayne madsen (www.waynemadsenreport.com) who says that the riots in france are being coordinated by israeli/neocon elements for whatever purposes. i do not vouch for anything he says, i am just saying what he says because it looks interesting to me. go check yourself what the man has to say and draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: name | Nov 10 2005 20:29 utc | 23

Once again we are examining the detail of an horrendous act rather that trying to alleviate the outcomes of it.
The Beeb was reporting on it’s world service that a hotel worker had spoken to one of the brainwashed before he self immolated and the fellow had an Iraqui accent.
True?
Who knows? Once again we should concentrate on addressing the outcomes of this muderous act.
To me that is the sheeple need to see the cynical, sick and homicidal ‘flypaper’ strategy is a miserable failure.
While his accent tells us nothing about who the poor deluded fool was working for since it’s unlikely the bomber really knew, it does tell us that Iraqis of whatever persuasion are so angry at the destruction of their country, they are suicidally targeting anywhere about that may be thought to be involved in that destruction.
In other words, the BushCo strategy of deliver murder and chaos to bring ‘stability, democracy, and peace’ to a troubled part of the planet as been shown to be a complete crock.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 10 2005 20:38 utc | 24

@annie | Nov 10, 2005 3:12:47 PM
Thanks I did make screenshots of that article. Let´s guess how long it will be unchanged.

Posted by: b | Nov 10 2005 21:24 utc | 25

Excellent summary of the “terrorist act” syndrome Noisette. Thanks for the Northwood docs Outraged. Could be another set written in 2000 regarding Iraq. 2+2=?
From Juan Cole:

“Knight Ridder reports that the “Zarqawi” group has broken with other Sunni jihadis in Ramadi and has fought street battles with them.”

I wonder if the Sunni’s have twigged that “Zarqawi” could well be working for the US as a provocateur.

Posted by: PeeDee | Nov 10 2005 21:27 utc | 26

@name “the riots in france are being coordinated by israeli/neocon elements for whatever purposes.”
There is a weird thing going on at Global Guerrillas. The development of the violence in France seems to be in a weird symbiosis with Robb’s posts on open source warfare.
On Wednesday he published a map showing where areas of violence intersected with weak points in France’s electricity distribution grid:
“Open source warfare when it uses systems disruption, can quickly disrupt and delegitimize the state. We see both in use in France. While the level of systems disruption we have seen so far is crude (the worst example is the shutdown of Lyon’s subway system), it is unlikely to remain that way. A more sophisticated approach to the disruption of France would require assaults on its electricity system.”
On Thursday he posts:
“Unfortunately, the time left to act may be short, there are signs of innovation: in Lyons last night, attacks on two electricity substations plunged much of the city into darkness.”
A thin line between information and incitement… tough call. Is more information always good?

Posted by: PeeDee | Nov 10 2005 21:42 utc | 27

Name, at least I got one thing right today.
But I want to recommend a blogger called Chicken Yogurt. Please read this.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 10 2005 22:29 utc | 28

Peedee and everyone:
Iran seems to be up to speed on SAS Arabs.

Iran said today that investigations have proved Britain’s ties to suspects in bombings in southern Iran over the past few months, indicating for the first time that it has evidence linking London to the unrest.
Iranian officials have previously said the explosions that hit Ahvaz city were guided from abroad – suggesting a British role – and said that detained suspects had confessed to having foreign ties.
The accusations follow recent bitter exchanges between Tehran and London, with Britain claiming Iran has given Iraqi insurgents explosives technology to bomb British soldiers and Iran accusing Britain of provoking unrest among the country’s Arab minority.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 10 2005 22:35 utc | 29

@PeeDee:
i like to read john robb but i hold him under suspicion of being a disinfo agent, if for nothing else than his fastidious habit of labeling as “global guerillas” every teeny gang of stone-throwers, druggies and petty thieves who make it into the MSM for ill-advised reasons anywhere on the planet.
my understanding is that john robb is an ex-USAF officer, and he brags how the usgov “spent 2 million dollars in his education” or something along those lines. while his analysis of facts is quite good, the reverse logic he uses when analysing and attributing motivations to the actors comes across as either delusion paired with ideological wish-thinking, or disinfo plain and simple.
i doubt that any officer with some degree of education ($2M nonetheless !) in intel matters would be so blind to his own ideological preferences, so i opt for putting mr. robb into the group of disinfo agents. his reverse logic (what you call “weird symbiosis”) – and that he peddles his half-baked opinions as facts, as in “hey, they are throwing stones and use cell-phones, they must thus be global guerillas” is makes him an interesting and controversial subject of study. now ask yourself, why would somebody risk his good name (and income) to advance exuberant theories of questionable merit ? how does mr. robb make his money BTW ?
you’ll know what i mean if you contrast robbs highfalutin analysis of the french riots with the down to earth accounts of jerome, who lives in paris and obviously knows his way around the neighborhood.

Posted by: name | Nov 10 2005 22:42 utc | 30

All right all right if everyone wants to invest energy in chasing phantoms here’s another .
To wit:
” MALANG, Indonesia – One of Southeast Asia’s most wanted Islamic militants, Malaysian Azahari bin Husin, is believed to have blown himself up after a fierce gunbattle with Indonesian police.”
So by all accounts the South East Asian Goldstein has been permanently dealt with.
MSM along with Zionist propaganda rags have been at great pains to connect these Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) actions to that other pariah al Qaeda.
Of course there are numerous troubling aspects to this.
Although he and his offsider Noordin M. Top are regularly identified as the psychopaths behind the deaths of many, pursuit of them has long been a comedy of errors.
To wit:
Sydney Morning Herald
“Azahari and Noordin narrowly escaped a police dragnet last year in the Indonesian city of Bandung on Java, and Indonesian newspapers have criticised the police for their failure to capture them.”
Jakarta Post
” In the frenzy to capture the perpetrators, however — pressured by public demand for justice and in some cases, vengeance — several innocent civilians were detained for questioning and released, only to return to their neighborhood communities to find that they had been stigmatized by the terrorist label.”
Militant Islam Monitor-Hmm that doesn’t sound like one a those pantywaist liberal media commie pinko outfits:
“”We raided the house at around 3am, during [early-morning prayers], but according to the neighbours he had left around 1am,” Abdjul Madjid, police chief for the Solo region in central Java, said.”
Asiaviews\Tempo:
“Tempo�s police source stated that it is National Police Headquarters which is handling the case. Spokesperson at Police HQ, Insp. Gen. Aryanto Boediharjo, declined to comment when asked about the progress of Sonata�s case. �This case is not just being handled by Police HQ,� he told Mawar Kusama of Tempo.”
People who have spent time in Indonesia, Thailand or Malaysia will know exactly how difficult it would be to stay anywhere more than a couple of days and not come to the attention of the authorities. Apart from police spies, informants and regular checks of registers at hotels, guesthouses and rental bungalows; village headmen are obliged to keep authorities informed of new arrivals to ensure the village isn’t held accountable for another’s crimes.
So if these guys have been living in Java and regularly commuting to other countries like Malaysia and Southern Philippines especially a hotspot like Mindanao :
“Authorities are hunting down Pitono, also known as Dulmatin, and Umar Patek, tagged as behind the 2002 twin bombings on the Indonesian resort island that killed more than 200 mostly foreign tourists.
The United States has offered up to $10 million for the capture of Dulmatin and $1 million bounty for Patek’s head. “

who has been protecting them?
Who are Pitono, also known as Dulmatin, and Umar Patek?
Are they Azahari and Noordin or another mob of Goldsteins altogether rather like Zwahiri’s multitude of lieutenants?
My theory? The JI and it’s myriad loose alliances are protected by senior authorities throughout Indonesia and Malaysia:
“It is mentioned in the investigation report that the majority of these men were sent to conflict areas by a crisis intervention organization based in Solo, Central Java. Sonata was a representative of this organization who operated in Ambon. From 1999 until 2004, he moved between Jakarta, Solo and Ambon to organize the humanitarian activities. He was active in the organization in welcoming the prominent Aris Munandar (Abu Miqdat).”
Blowing up the Australian embassy in Jakarta would have been no real problem as those killed would have been either ‘arrogant whiteys ‘or ‘sheeple’.
However these psychopaths would have wanted more. More publicity more young men begging to kill themselves for them and more resources from their true backers, whomsoever they may be.
So they did Bali again. A big mistake because Bali is a cashcow for all the ruling families. Anywhere else and you’re only gonna upset one ‘general’ but Bali is going to stir up a hornets nest as the gang haemorrage money again so soon after the first masscre was getting forgotten about and when tourists were just starting to pour back in.
None will be captured alive. The show trials upset USOz because there was virtually no remorse shown anywhere and the Javanese were plainly sympathetic to the defendants.
In addition to worrying about what these types might say at trial vis a vis authorities letting them roam is the larger problem of their presence back in Bali.
Balinese have begrudgingly accepted the siphoning of tourist returns to Java as quite a while back a decision was made to let a little of the cash trickle out to the Balinese. The second bombing has really cranked up the locals as life has been really tough from when the first bombing occured until the return of tourists.
If the Balinese go all non-compliant over this everyone stands to lose heaps right when things were just starting to return to normal.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 10 2005 23:40 utc | 31

I’m going to have to spend less time tryin’ to be helpful and more time honing my keen sense of ironic detachment if I’m going to run with this crowd.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 11 2005 0:57 utc | 32

“I’m going to have to spend less time tryin’ to be helpful and more time honing my keen sense of ironic detachment if I’m going to run with this crowd.”
LOL
Thing is chasing up every little detail, collecting and collating ‘facts’ or just plain gossip, analysing it all and making a deduction just doesn’t seem to leave me feeling that somehow I’ve managed to exert some ‘control’ like it used to.
The little buzz I used to get from being one of the illuminati who knows what is ‘really’ going on no longer helps me deal with this stuff. The image of our fellow human cruelly slaughtered at Fallujah still haunts.
Knowing that the murderers’ dehumanizing title for this foulness is ‘shake and bake’ doesn’t help in the slightest. It has me summoning up my own images of sending the real miscreants to hades.
Realising that the strange reliance of fire/flames by BushCo probably has some subconscious ‘send em to hell’ implication for the fundie Xtians doesn’t remove any of the stain of complicity.
No I’m not normally guilt-ridden however sometimes it feels inaction=tolerence=complicity

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 11 2005 1:43 utc | 33

Fight it Debs. To be ‘aware’ and willingly stand-down …

“If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost.”
– Aristotle

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2005 2:03 utc | 34

@: Noisette 12:27:30 PM
I object to you using a link to a racist nutball website. There is a difference between claiming the Mossad, the Israeli Government, or even Zionists are behind something, than categorically stating “Jews” are to blame. I would expect posters to this site to understand the difference.
Nevertheless, I agree with the points made in your post.
With Respect-

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 11 2005 3:03 utc | 35

bernhard, your article reeks of anti-semitism.

Uh, excuse me — why is it that your post here reeks of this ridiculous idea that whenever somebody — anybody — refuses to …
*smooch* *smooch* *smooch* *smooch* *smooch* *smoooooooooooooooch*
… kiss that Kosher/Likud/Zionist ass whenever Ariel Sharon says “Jump!”, it makes them an anti-semite, okay?!? Do you follow me?!? Afterall, the last time I cracked open a Bible, it said “For all have sinned against God” and not “For all except Jews have sinned against God.” Big freakin’ difference, pal. You see, “All” is one of those words that include everything and exclude nothing and no ammount of tinkering from our modern-day Neo-Con/Christian Fundamentalistic “re-definition squads” can change all that in the minds of people who aren’t afraid in the least to ask those pesky questions of “Who, What, Where, When, Why, and How?” and end up finding out that stupidity does not discriminate.

that israelis were arrested for celebrating the 9/11 attentates,

Which is true — Israelis did celebrate 9/11 and those Israelis were employees of Dominic Suter, an Israeli that the State Of New Jersey and their tax-payers would sure love to ask a few questions (right after our feds get done trying to find out why exactly did he leave America so fast when we had his dancing employees in custody).

Posted by: name

And what’s up with this here? Bernhard here states his opinions publically without hiding. Neither do I — the rest of my name along with my blog is one click away. Most of the other MoA barflies discuss everything publically out in the open with either their blog or e-mail addresses available. What’s your excuse? What are you ashamed of?!? If you think Bernhard is an “anti-semite”, come totally out from behind your firewall, my dear nameless buddyroo, and put your ass on the line like the rest of us.
Or maybe you’ve got a vested interest in remaining private? Maybe you’re one of those “LittleGreenFootballers” who sincerely believe that people who think Jerry Seinfeld sucks is a “Jew-hating Anti-semite”? Or maybe you’re one of those “go along – get along” PC campus liberals whose too scared shitless to really voice thier opinions out in the open because they’re afraid that doing so would offend the “status quo” or the thousands that hit their blog everyday?
Nothing personal – I just find it awfully telling that a “nameless” person would go out of their way to call Bernhard an “anti-semite” but not enough out of their way to let us all know just who in the hell they are. When someone calls me anti-semite, I want to know the nature of beast whose making the accusations because racism or anti-semitism does not, will not, and never will be solved behind “closed doors”. People like that are nothing more than “pretender class” idiots who like claim that they are “part of the solution” when in reality they’re part and parcel of the problem.

Posted by: Sizemore | Nov 11 2005 7:19 utc | 36

@Debs
I don’t think I was being clear. I was irritated with myself for posting (3rd from the top) a link to show “name” what the Goldstein reference was about and then a concise propaganda link to Israeli-sponsored false flag ops… only to come back later and find out that my “helpfulness” was completely unnecessary since “name” was being sarcastic and I just didn’t have my irony meter running at full steam when I went to the trouble. No, as far as the research, analysis and general outrage goes: carry on, carry on. I wasn’t born with the constitution to turn away from it all and bury my head in the sand(much as I would dearly love to at times), so I can’t fault anyone else for trying to make heads or tails of it all.
Anyway, it looks like we can call this particular false flag op a complete success since the only stories I am seeing now are about how the Jordanian public are screaming for that boogieman al-Zarqawi’s head on a silver platter. Looks like a maximum number of birds have been dispatched with a minimum number of stones.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 11 2005 8:16 utc | 37

Watching the “news” this AM on either Sky or BBC, there was a report on the Amman bombing. My partner and I looked at each other in disbelief as the commentator told of the “Iraqi suicide bombers”, which “has now been confirmed by DNA tests”.
The video accompanying this garbage clearly showed a suspended ceiling, in one hotel at least, that had been blown downward. That little Iraqi “suicider” must have been sitting up there, huh?
Someone please explain how a rapid DNA test could distinguish among Palestinian dead, Jordanian dead, possible Sunni Iraqi exiles at the hotel and Iraqi “suiciders”. Has the testing developed that far?
Did anyone else hear this report? It seems like someone is trying to get some questionable information out there very fast and now that the FBI is on the scene, I am sure the story won’t change.
Can I be “outraged”?

Posted by: ww | Nov 11 2005 8:19 utc | 38

@Monolycus,
If it’s any consolation, I found the explanation of b’s interstitial “Goldstein” – which I missed entirely – helpful. Just another example of the education I’m getting here.
I also commend b for picking this story up. It is incredible to watch censorship and disinformation in real-time like this. The paper changing their story like that is as important as the bombing. Why? It gives me a feeling that the ‘net is still a tiny step ahead of the propagandists.
But that insider feeling is not enough to wash away my nausea at the RAI film from Falluja. The final sequence where we are watching and listening to the soldiers firing mixed WP and HE rounds in such a methodical and murderous way haunts me. The casual way in which they murder the wounded… What have we come to? I cannot get it out of my head and heart and gut.

Posted by: PeeDee | Nov 11 2005 8:43 utc | 39

“Anyway, it looks like we can call this particular false flag op a complete success since the only stories I am seeing now are about how the Jordanian public are screaming for that boogieman al-Zarqawi’s head on a silver platter.”
Well maybe. There’s no reason for the stories we get from MSM to reflect what Jordanians, or as they should really be known as, Palestinians to reflect the ‘truth’.
I’m a bit vague at this distance and time but it has always seemed to be that the Monarchy of Jordan was peeled off from the rest of Palestine following the expiration of the Ottoman Empire, for the sole purpose of giving the Brits a base in the ME which being free of resources wouldn’t be ‘wrassled’ over too much.
King or was it Crown Prince Hussein? Caved into the Brits who were being pressured by the zionists to take vast numbers of refugees fleeing the Israeli advance.
This put incredible pressure on the monarchy once the PLO, at that time proudly socialist, established their base in Jordan. This resulted in the infamous Black September . After that Palestinian victory (ie building a viable nation state) has always seemed very far away.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 11 2005 9:19 utc | 40

@name, I guess Wayne Madsen knows little (?) about the events in France..he sometimes tends to flights fancy around slim facts.
If the match was lit purposely by anyone it was by Sarkozy himself. I watched him last night on TV. I saw..well…a lot of things. He is very very pleased with himself…Anyway.
All it took was one match, e.g. calling the rioters ”racaille”.
The situation in the French ‘banlieues’ has been simmering for years, and has been very violent for years, pretty much ignored by the media, which kept it in check. Nothing about the recent events is new, except for their amplitude, which is a direct outcome of the sudden media attention! The violence spreads, because the young men in the ‘ghettos’ know that they will have their 15 mins. of fame, and that it is the only way they can get attention.
Why are you coming here now? Why didn’t you come before? they ask the media. Before throwing rocks at CNN …
Is Sarkozy a neo-con? Yes, French variety. He suppported cancelling Air France flights because of ‘terror alerts’; he is a friend of Washington, as the French put it; various Jewish organisations have praised him for his fight against ‘anti-semitism’ – he has various awards and medals from them (Simon Wiesenthal center, other, I forget.) Quite some lobbying going on underground I should think. (Chirac is a paleo-con.)
I see it as the axis: Pro: rapacious global capitalism, stealing ressources, arms business, pro-Israel (present Gvmt. I mean), pro-US, pro-war, killing the poor, etc. Nothing much to do with anti-semitism or anti-anti-semitism, except on the surface, as it provides an emotional cover that polarises people. (To put it briefly – much more could be said.)
Malooga, oops! I just googled and picked the first story that briefly reported the warning..

Posted by: Noisette | Nov 11 2005 9:35 utc | 41

@Noisette-
Thanks.
Madsen is definitely an odd duck, what with his announcement that he was about to be assassinated which seemed to become inoperative within two days. Nevertheless, I like him and feel his heart is in the right place. I remember last spring, he and Sy Hersh both announced the imminent invasion of Iran; which did not happen. Upon reflection, I feel that they were both given actionable intelligence, and publicized the hell out of it in order to stop–successfully–the attack. At least that’s my theory.
It does amaze me how easy it is to pull off false flag operations, as the general populace is so trusting they have no idea that the government would ever do such a thing.

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 11 2005 12:07 utc | 42

I wanted to read the original article in full so I Googled it and tried to read the cache and was meet with

Your search -http://… – didn´t match any document

Google page
This was the first time this happened when I tried to reach into this otherwise very dependable memory-hole. Has Google changed their set-up or has this particular article been purged?

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Nov 11 2005 14:16 utc | 43

@A swedish kind of death
Not necessarily the case here, however, the host of a site or even an individual article can embed an exclusion tag, even retrospectively, to authoritatively block caching/archiving, that’s if they don’t actively request the same … the owner/creator can expunge it from the memory-hole re Google or the likes of the Wayback Machine

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2005 14:43 utc | 44

Noisette: France riots are no intifada, yet Sarkozy did the exact same thing that Sharon did once. He kne the situation was bad and on the brink of explosion, and just threw a lighted match so that all would burn down. Then he would come and save the people from these barbarian scum with his iron fist, hoping to be the next all-powerful President. This guy should never ever again have any official position in any kind of government or parliament, even at a local level.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Nov 11 2005 15:49 utc | 45

far from clueless joe
your take is the most credible & i live right in the middle of these civil disturbance
as lupin noted the other day the riots in l a in 1992 they

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 11 2005 17:15 utc | 46

…..were an insurrestion worthy of the name

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 11 2005 17:17 utc | 47

Noisette – Jordan had Mossad written all over it, and sure, the bomber may have spoken in Iraqi, maybe believing through his handlers, he was striking at SoS Rice’s wedding party(?!).
The mind is a terrible thing when it’s wasted.
I mean, these poor slobs are being shanghaid into gulags around the world, then tortured and their families robbed and raped. When some Mossad/CIA ops wants to take out a Palestinian intel chief, they’re gonna bring in some bomber from Gitmo, how would we know, when the NAC boys are hoping this kind of Bushwhack s–t will put Cheney back on the happy-face side of “torture”.
Christ, when NASA is up for refunding, they play Apollo 13 six times a day on network TV. When the Dark Skies asteroid tracking program was up for refunding, Will Smith was playing in every major movie theatre. It’s 1984 in USA, forever.
1. Cheney needed a hall-pass on torture.
2. Bush needed a I-told-you-so on WOT.
3. And Mossad needed one dead PLO.
“Where’s that Iraqi guy we were brainwashing?”
– – –
Sizemore – ‘name’ is being wise, but no avail. Everything you post, and your e-link to it, and your sysop IT address which reveals your dial-up phone number and then physical address, is there 24×7 online, under Patriot Act II.
If you piss-off billmon, he might even out you, (like he did to Lash Marks back in September, frog-marching him out of his place of work.)
If they wanted to take anyone blogging here out, there could be a sat-bomb ‘shake-and-bake’ down your chimney fifteen minutes after you posted,
or black vans of SWAT teams dragging you off to an Azherbizhan torture cell before your keyboard even began to cool.
– – –
What Jordan is saying to US is, this Mossad/CIA dog has sharp teeth and a very, very long chain,
and the War in Iraq is the War Against Eurasia.
http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/3/
“Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.”

Posted by: sad;lg03 | Nov 11 2005 22:09 utc | 48

sad;lgo3
If you piss-off billmon, he might even out you, (like he did to Lash Marks back in September, frog-marching him out of his place of work.)
b is not billmon. b is bernard, he moderates this site

Posted by: annie | Nov 11 2005 22:51 utc | 49

LOL. It’s funny to get slammed from the left for being too harsh. I get slammed by the right for being too soft.

Posted by: John Robb | Nov 11 2005 23:46 utc | 50

@PeeDee
I’m glad I was able to help someone. I felt like a bit of a jackass after I realised that “name” was just horsing around.
@Debs
You raise a good point. Just because those are the stories the MSM is carrying doesn’t mean that’s the reality on the ground. Vielen Dank for the background, by the way. It was very helpful to me.
@Swedish Kind of Death
I was just wondering what had happened to you! Good to see you around. As for the Memory Hole, it could be that the original version had blocking tags, but a less sinister interpretation would be that it was not on the web long enough to make it to the archives. Cached sites work by taking “snapshots” of the web, and the less time something is around, the less chance that it makes it to the cache. They yanked this one pretty quickly.
@John Robb
That’s the curse of being a moderate in a polarised world.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 12 2005 0:35 utc | 51

LOL. It’s funny to get slammed from the left for being too harsh. I get slammed by the right for being too soft.
must be a template robb uses

Posted by: b real | Nov 12 2005 3:54 utc | 52

I guess I did say that before. Boy, the last time he went after me name was pretty harsh. Empire? If anything, my analysis is a warning, in red letters, against empire.

Posted by: John Robb | Nov 12 2005 4:11 utc | 53

Monolycus,
I was just wondering what had happened to you! Good to see you around.
Just got much work to do. Still stop by from time to time tough.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Nov 14 2005 13:36 utc | 54