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November 26, 2005
Open Thread 05-121

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Leaked UK Iraq Policy Memo .

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 26 2005 11:59 utc | 1

Well, its cold as can be here (ten degrees) with about four inches of snow. But, being the hard working guy I am, I’m going to my cabin and peeling cedar poles with a draw knife. When I’m there all the problems in the world seem so small and out of reach.
While it only last for a while, it’s comforting and a couple of beers just might help take the edge off even more and chimpie is completely off my mind.
So, you all have a nice day and talk about something a little up beat in this open thread. Meantime, I will enjoy myself today even if it’s really cold and I’m working hard. Have a great day MOA. See ya later.

Posted by: jdp | Nov 26 2005 14:44 utc | 2

I saw Saw I, but I don’t think I’ll see Saw II. How about you?

Posted by: Sez who | Nov 26 2005 15:12 utc | 3

i will now stop reading his blog
his parsing critique of montbiot is beyond the pale
cole’s family’s military background have coulded both his perception & judgement
his obtuse defence of american war crimes – is nothing other than cafe casuitry conducted behind a shelf of books
enough

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 26 2005 15:26 utc | 4

i will now stop reading his blog
his parsing critique of montbiot is beyond the pale
cole’s family’s military background have coulded both his perception & judgement
his obtuse defence of american war crimes – is nothing other than cafe casuitry conducted behind a shelf of books
enough

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 26 2005 15:27 utc | 5

speaking of juan cole

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 26 2005 15:33 utc | 6

He sounded a little like Pat yesterday, did’nt he?

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 26 2005 18:15 utc | 7

Cole’s reply to monbiot seems to be this: I have discovered the use of WP by US could not be condemned by any court whose adjudication of law satisfies US interests.
All to show, one cannot expect The Hegemon’s Law to redress “crimes” commited by the Hegemon.
This is a sort of law of the law everyone knows to be true, but always deny.

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 26 2005 18:47 utc | 8

Wait. What are you guys commenting on? I’m lost.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 26 2005 19:06 utc | 9

No US charges over Afghan bodies .
This is my surprise face.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 26 2005 19:09 utc | 10

Speaking at a news conference in Kandahar, the US-led coalition’s operational commander, Maj-Gen Jason Kamiya, said the soldiers involved had not been aware that what they were doing was wrong.
this is my surprise face

Posted by: annie | Nov 26 2005 19:36 utc | 11

uncle
read juan cole’s last post & all will be made clear. yes, annamissed – i found it very much like our pat’s right down to the military family.
the concern with a legalism that is otherwise completely ignored. the bickering over the bodies – the dead bodies of the people of iraq. & then this whole contentious issue of how many people were in fallujah. whether they had left whether there was only 5000 etc etc etc – when it has been made perfectly clear by the doctors working at what was left of the hospitals after the americans bombed it that there were indeed many many people & many many victims
fallujah is a war crime – the nature of that crime just seems to worsen with more knowledge on what exactly happened & even tho what exactly happened is still far from clear – what we know is comparable to guernica – to any other hideous use of force by a power & force that feels completely immune from its actions
exactly like the condor legion. or the einsatzgrupen for that matter.
enough
it is immoral to not hear the silence of the dead
i wasted a night’s readin of that norwegian ‘writer’ who wrote the effortlessly cruel book ‘ the bookshop of kabul’ – in here one hundred & one days – her so called baghdad journal – gives witness to me of how we really are stuck in white skin privelege
as if we as a people – with such a bloody history have any sort of right to place a judgement on a saddam hussein & then make paltry judgements on the people of iraq & her soft pornography on the ‘suffering’ of the journalists
but there are moments in the book when she is sufficiently silent to let the people speak & what they say was truly moving & in its way terrifying especially so since the book was written in the first weeks of the occupation
i cried for the people & nation of iraq
i cried for our ignorance our willed & schooled ignorance, sometimes
i cried for the vanity of people like this journalist or scholars like juan cole who are wholly immune to the disaster of others excep as a riff to prove their haughty & dignified views
perhaps as slothrop would have it my reaction is affective & perhaps it is but i do not regret feeling it nor the fury it nourishes within me
as mayakovsky & the russian futurists of lef sd ‘death to art that makes a life not worth living, liveable

Posted by: r’giap | Nov 26 2005 20:32 utc | 12

oh c’mon. juan cole isn’t all that.

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 26 2005 20:43 utc | 13

slothrop
i’m not demonising him
i’m simply tired of reading a certain kind of commentary that luxuriates in its remove from the mechanic, the terrible mechanics of the actual problem
it is an illegal war. it is an immoral occupation. what is happening constitutes in any jurisprudential sense – a criminal conspiracy
all it means slothrop is that i will not read professor cole for the moment
i prefer people who try to cover the waterfront or at least are humble enough before their own lack of knowledge to give that as an indicator -(something that cole does in this post but for the most ingenious reasons to question the basic veracity of montbiots article)

Posted by: r’giap | Nov 26 2005 20:57 utc | 14

I haven’t bothered to read Cole for a while. We are getting to that place where a tyre salesman would say ‘the rubber meets the road’ and a lumberjack is about to yell ‘timber’ and most of the rest of us feel the urge to relax and indulge in a little self congratulation, because everything we have said has been vindicated.
But really we shouldn’t be smug at all. One hundred thousand plus people have died in the most horrible and disgustingly cruel circumstances. A hundred thousand!! That’s more people than live in my hometown. Most of them seem OK, not neccessarily up there on my Xmas card list, but I can’t think of anyone I would want to see minced by a ‘daisycutter’ blown apart by high explosive, roasted by napalm 2, melted by WP, or have their head blown off by a high velocity bullet.
So no we shouldn’t feel smug. Most of all we mustn’t relax either.
We’ve seen this before and after the Indochina escapade where we were happy to be vindicated and ecstatic about the cessation of slaughter we took our eye off the ball.
Why wouldn’t you? No one is going to be that damn stupid again are they?
Hubris will out. Ours as well as theirs. We just got too damned smug about the outcome and let the mainchancers and greedheads rewrite history. This meant that the invaders of Indochina didn’t ever have to pay the price for their ignorance, greed and stupidity.
I’m sure if you ask the average 20 year old amerikan; they will be firmly convinced that there were US troops left behind in Vietnam who were brainwashed, tortured then eventually executed.
There was no such thing as even one MIA yet when the assholes promoted this meme to avoid being held accountable we didn’t resist strongly enough. That emboldened them to the point where they could do same shit different day.
When that black marble monstrosity was erected in Washington, how many people stopped and thought whether those people whose names had been so expensively etched onto it, would really think that canonising them by creating the myth of ‘our wonderful boys’ was a good thing? Would they consider that their elevation becoming a trade off for yet another generation’s needless slaughter was a good deal?
We’ve all seen the images of irate relatives of US troops killed in Iraq, demanding that their loved one’s photo be taken off the wall at Camp Sheehan. Well did the families of troops killed in Indochina get the same courtesy if they believed their loved one wouldn’t have wanted to be a silenced supporter of miltarism and amerikan exceptionalism?
Meanwhile nobody spoke about the thousands of kids of the new generation in Vietnam coming into the world with major birth defects. Why? Cause those a-holes won’t give us back our non-existant MIAs
We can see the the Iraq story right now and this time it is going to be our duty to ensure that everytime the corrupt, mendacious, hubris drenched, pigs try and spout it, we rebutt their lies.
The basic story is already out there. The story is Iraqis asked for it because they let Saddam Hussein the monster of the Mid East, stay in power when they should have given him the flick years before.
Yeah right the fact that countries like USuk aided him in his mad attempt to become a 20th century Saladin fully underwriting the fantasy by giving him access to the weapons he needed but denying Iraq their fair claim on historical access to the waterways and misleading the Iraqis over their stance on Kuwaiti oil theft.
Anyone would think USuk wanted Iraq to fight Iran, wanted Iraq to invade the corrupt and nepotistic Kuwait. They wouldn’t do that would they…?
So the meme is going to be that if Iraqis had shown some balls it need never have come to this. That we won’t talk about the overwhelming support the Ba’athists got from both USuk and the Soviets and ‘old Europe’. We won’t discuss the creation of Kuwait as a ploy to keep the tribes of the River bend away from any sea access to ensure that they could never be independant of any other nation’s control.
We especially won’t discuss that as far as late 20th century despots of oil rich nations Hussein was standard fare par for the course. In fact some might say he was rather better than average. He may have been brutal but the brutality was his ignorant way of ‘nation building’. He may have lived a palatial lifestyle but he kept Iraq’s asset base intact and he developed a health and education infrastructure unmatched in the Middle East. Lets face it those last tow positive attributes are the real reason that Iraq is a disater zone now.
What good is all that oil if the money is going to be spent on bridges built by Iraqis instead of white elephants designed constructed and commissioned by Bechtel?
Spending money on health? Well yep good idea but what’s with this wasting it on doctors instead of drug corporations?
Yeah I know we could ramble on forever on this the crimes are so many and nefarious, the criminals so legion and corrupt.
What we need to do though is to nip any attempt at revisionism in the bud.
When the media blatantly uses dead soldiers to till the battlefields ready for more dead soldiers, let them know that many of those dead soldiers would really feel they had died in vain if their death was going to be used to recruit more cannon fodder. Yep some of them probably would go along with it but that doesn’t give warmongers permission to use all of them to promote their foul agenda. Tell them this guilt trip them the way they guilt trip the anti war resistance.
When lame movies like that one where some lame actor won an oscar for sending up the intellectually disabled by showing him to be a content but cuddly martyr for ‘real’ people, try and argue that their is nobility in killing or that pacifists are wife beaters pull them up. Put picket lines outside the theatres just like the xtians do.
They didn’t have any wins straight off the bat but they did keep the debate going long enough for their outrageous positions to become ‘normalised’. The POV against imperialism, murder and theft isn’t outrageous it’s an eminently sensible position to have in a world where the rich are getting richer the poor poorer and the middle non existant.
It’s easy to say this now while the lessons are fresh in everyone’s mind so the insistence on facts just the facts has to bein now.
If it is left until the rethugs have already established their lying meme then the ground can’t be won back.
Simialrly if the peaceful predominate initially in this struggle, then retire to their Montanan dental floss ranches the mainchancers will strike back.
The duplicity of USuk must become the accepted ‘truth’ about this slaughter.
Of course hysteria or unsubstantiated claims will give the war mongers just the leverage they want so it is vital that we don’t indulge in that either.
So now is the time when we need to shift into top gear and Burn that rubber!
Let Cole know that his revisionism is cynical and unacceptable. When a newspaper argues that extraordinary furphy “I don’t believe it is about oil!” Contact it and let the staff know you are onto them. Point out WW1 was about oil but most of the cannon fodder never knew it.
Drip drip drip. Like water on stone slowly the uncommitted will have to accept there is another POV and eventually they will acknowledge it as well.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 26 2005 22:12 utc | 15

sorry ’bout the typos grammar, spelling and punctuation but I just couldn’t get out of pissed off and into objective ‘discussion’ this am.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 26 2005 23:13 utc | 16

Who We Are
SAUL LANDAU
November 26, 2005
George W. Bush returned from a brief but difficult November learning foray in Latin America: “Wow, Brazil is big.” Meanwhile, U.S. citizens grew impatient with his performance. CBS polls rated him at 35% approval in early November. Even his supporters acknowledge that Bush’s policies have created enormous ill will throughout the world. More ethically worrisome, cried his critics, those policies don’t represent who we really are…

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 26 2005 23:33 utc | 17

Britain gives approval to torture, claims Amnesty
By Ben Russell and Colin Brown
Published: 26 November 2005
Tony Blair has been accused of undermining decades of British campaigning for international human rights by using the war on terror to give a “green light” to torture. Amnesty International is to launch an unprecedented global campaign tomorrow against the British Government after ministers admitted they would use information gained by torture to prevent attacks on the United Kingdom…

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 26 2005 23:38 utc | 18

‘We don’t torture’
Preznit Bush declared 18 days during a Panamanian news conference in Panama that “We do not torture.”
In the meantime though he steadfastly maintains his threat to veto a defense spending bill because it contains language written by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) banning the “cruel, inhuman or degrading” treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody, effectively by anyone, anywhere, for any reason or justification.
Bush&Co have declared since 2002 that the United States is not bound by the Geneva Conventions or other treaties when it comes to treatment of ‘suspects’ captured in the Global War on Terra(GWOT)(sic).
A reality or unreality check ? … The United Nations 1987 Convention Against Torture has this to say on the subject:

“No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.”

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 27 2005 0:19 utc | 19

I’ve been busy elsewhere for a while but wanted to make certain the MoA folks know about the new site put up by the staff of Al Jazeera – Don’t Bomb Us. They have updates about their colleague who is being held in Spain, the other in Guantanamo – and about the bombing which killed one of their journalists in Baghdad. They could certainly use some notes of solidarity – particularly since some wingnuts are using the site to applaud the idea of bombing them.

Posted by: Siun | Nov 27 2005 0:36 utc | 20

I know a man who tortures his dog. He ties the dog to a board, tilts the board downward, smothers the dog’s face with a cloth, and then soaks the cloth with water. The terrified creature feels as if it is drowning, but because its lungs remain higher than its mouth, it doesn’t. [The desperate, terrified flailing and pitiful muffled sounds would be …]
This man told me he did this to his dog 17 times last month.
In fact, I don’t actually know such a man, but I do know men who approve of such acts, as long as the victims are human beings rather than dogs. This is the official position of the Bush administration on the interrogation technique known as “water-boarding.”…

Defending torture is incredible

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 27 2005 0:44 utc | 21

“What Cole is recommending is very similar to what the British did in Iraq after the rebellion of 1920. They relied on airpower and “Bomber Harris”, the man in charge of the RAF effort made no effort to conceal that he was going after civilians and their villages.
Bombing a la Cole is going to be a suspiciously benign exercise. The Special Ops soldiers in Afghanistan were supposedly able to “call down smart air strikes on warlord HQs, tanks, etc. Once the Taliban positions were disrupted and their armor and machine guns taken out, the Northern alliance could advance on cities like Mazar and take them.” Note that there is no mention of people here but all the targets to be so aseptically destroyed are inanimate objects. In reality the US bombing of the Taliban front line in Afghanistan was largely carried out by B-52s. In any case the evaporation of Taliban forces was primarily the result of the withdrawal of Pakistani support and bribes to the warlords to change sides.
Somehow US airpower is only to be used for a ‘defensive’ (Cole’s italics) set of tactics. What on earth is this supposed to mean? Does it imply that he supposes that US aircraft in Afghanistan were somehow being used “defensively”. There is also a little problem that the insurgents in Iraq do not have armor, machine guns and headquarters ready and waiting to be taken out by smart bombs.
Cole gives himself a quick slap on the back for being “the first observer in Iraq to speak out consistently against US bombing raids on civilian neighborhoods.” Now first of all it is news that Cole is “in Iraq”. If so when and for how long? Secondly I seem to recall Robert Fisk and others denouncing eloquently and at great length the bombardment of civilians by the US. Did Cole pre-date Fisk on this? If so congratulations but let him produce the quote and the date when he said it.
Of course Cole hasn’t “called for any assassinations or saturation bombings”. Few people ever have. But if there is such a distinction between the genteel and discriminating bombing he prescribes and “saturation bombing” why was so much of Fallujah destroyed by the US Marines and the aircraft supporting them during their assault in November 2004 though they were able to put “lasers on targets”? The answer is that the GIs do not know where the enemy is so they destroy everything which might be used by the other side or, in other words, saturation bombing.
Cole’s earlier statement that “there are few third world armies that couldn’t be enticed by a couple of billion dollars” is demonstrably untrue of Iraq from the word go. The Turkish parliament turned down more than a couple of billion when refusing to let the US invade Iraq from the north in 2003. The Turkish refusal to send troops to Iraq has been followed by a large number of states, despite all the money on offer. The cupidity of the world is inspiringly less than Cole imagines.
The prescription suggested by Cole: no US ground troops but heavy air support for local allies is very similar to situation in Cambodia prior to take over by Khmer Rouge. I don’t see why it should avert genocide.
Prof. Cole’s history is sometimes severely botched. He claims that Dwight Eisenhower “got De Gaulle out of Algeria before the latter could go Communist by threatening to call in US loans to France.” This is a ludicrous speculation, as anyone with the slightest knowledge of French history or of De Gaulle will confirm. I assume Cole got in a muddle, and confused the circumstances of the French withdrawal from Algeria with Eisenhower’s successful pressure on Britain, France and Israel to halt their attack on Egypt in 1956.”
alexander cockburn
counterpunch

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 27 2005 2:44 utc | 22

If I were of the Political Elite, I’d keep the Shooting Wars Going. Even beyond the simple fact that they are profitable. The masses are easily distracted so they won’t focus on the fact that we’re busy Stealing Everything Everywhere. After we’ve stolen everything in America, Iraq, etc. then the shooting can stop. The masses will wake up & their lives will be over. In the meantime, anyone who focuses on that can be called an immoral selfish complainer who is worried about their own welfare while others are dying.
In the meantime, Social Security has been stolen. Hundreds of thousands are being tossed out of homes as they lose their jobs. Out to starve as another 400,000 were just cut off food stamps & their 30,000 children cut-off of school lunch programs, so we can continue to loot the treasury with tax cuts for us.
So, 2,3 Many Wars. Fret Away to your hearts content.

Posted by: jj | Nov 27 2005 2:54 utc | 23

I don’t know. It’s alex cockburn after all, who, so far as careful veracity goes, should follow his brothers’ lead. Alex’s betrayal of Hitchens was downright creepy.
Counterpunch’ll publish anything, as long as it’s needlessly hyperboplic. There’s some good stuuf there, but a lot of chaffe.
Cole tries to do the right thing. he wants to walk on the middleroad with the policy realists and internationalists, and ocassionally is trapped in these kinds of contradictions.
Perhaps yet another lesson no middleground is worth looking for any longer.

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 27 2005 3:10 utc | 24

For an insight into what the consequences of such ‘bombing’ campaigns are, smart bombs (hah ! Smart enough to magically distinguish combatant from civilian ?!) or not, check out the following article on the bombing of North Korea during the Korean War, oops ‘police action’, and if you find the writers style a little melodramatic or ‘over the top’ consider that it’s all referenced and sourced, with valuable additional commentary from various historians in the comments …
Yep, the Korean War wasn’t exactly the ‘sanitized’ saga of heroes and glory that the likes of Ollie North would like to portray … then ponder what would be the ingrained memories and attitudes of the demonized North Koreans who managed to live through it all, and are still alive today, from their perspective … no wonder they fear us (our foreign policy) so …
Ah, the heroic indiscriminate snuffing out of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of lives from afar and above at negligible personal risk … not exactly in the romantic, glorious or valorous style of warriors of old … but that’s high tech modern soldiers/airmen for you … if we survive, our military will eventually be slaughtering the ‘others’ using ‘sci-fi’ remote control robotic war machines of death … oops, sorry, we already are, aren’t we (armed Predator and other armed UAVs, prototype and experimental machine gun-armed urban demo-robots in Iraq, etc) …
Hm, how or even who do the victims seek justice from when killed or maimed by the unidentifiable operators of such devices ? Another advantage in the view of Pentagon planners ?

Link

(much of the relevant record is STILL classified !)

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 27 2005 3:52 utc | 25

‘Just the facts m’am, just the facts’…

Bush and Co. skirting close to line on torture
The contradictory pronouncements of Bush & Co. can only be explained thusly: It has gotten away with speaking from both sides of its mouth for so long it does not know when or how to stop; or it believes torture is not torture because it calls it something else; or it has adopted the logic of the terrorists, that the end justifies the means.
The last explanation is the one offered by Carroll Bogert, associate director of Human Rights Watch…
The New York-based group has tracked the Bush administration’s violations of both international and U.S. laws on multiple fronts. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay we are familiar with, at least aspects thereof. Others we’ve lost track of. Here’s a refresher on the egregious ones.
The number of people detained, almost all without charge, is 83,000. The number of convicted is about 400, of whom only 40[?!] have had anything to do with terrorism. About 100 have died in custody, 26 of them classified as criminal homicides [so far]. Seven are said to have been tortured to death [so far].
The CIA reportedly maintains eight “black sites” worldwide, holding about 100 desaparecidos, as the disappeared of Latin America were called. “We use the term very decidedly,” Bogert told me.
– snip –
Not only did soldiers use white phosphorous in the rounds they fired but they applied chemicals to detainees’ skin and eyes. One soldier used a baseball bat to break a detainee’s leg. Others were said to abuse prisoners merely to “relieve stress.” One sergeant said: “In a way, it was sport.”…

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 27 2005 4:07 utc | 26

Not only don’t we torture, but we haven’t been doing it for many years.

January 28, 1956 [diary, p.42]
The squeals of a pig being slaughtered that were heard last night toward nine o’clock in fact came from a boy. He was treated to the magneto. The method is simple: a wire on a testicle, another on an ear, and then the switch is flipped. For this kid they did not use the normal method. They attached the wires to a wrist and an ear. The kid, so it seems, confessed that he had alerted four men armed with hunting rifles who were waiting for the soldiers. This is what Lieutenant S— triumphantly announced to me this morning. Last night I first thought it was jackals howling. But it kept going on. I then went outside in my pyjamas and listened: the voices and moans coming from the lieutenants’ tent. I thought to myself, “it’s impossible that they would dare treat the kid to the magneto; it’s the older ones they want to make talk.” I went back inside, sickened yet one more time, thinking of the kid who must have been terrified to be in the custody of the soldiers. But it was indeed the kid who was being tortured. This morning I was completely shattered… Impossible to go to the boy, to talk with and console him. He wouldn’t understand, since he doesn’t speak French. I took it upon myself to go and take a photo of him. It is a photo that will be shown in France. This is why I did it.
http://soldiertestimony.org/France/France_Al/Document.2004-03-12.5717

The links between France’s conduct in Algeria then, and the United States actions in Iraq today, are rather concrete. Gilles Pontecorvo’s award-winning 1965 docudrama, “The Battle of Algiers” — detailing the illegal repressive tactics by the French — has been used as a how-to-do-it training film for the U.S. counter-insurgency forces in Iraq. The 2001 memoir by the head of French intelligence in Algeria, General Paul Aussaresses — “Special Services, 1955-57,” in which the General justified and recounted in detail the kidnapping, torture, and murder his self-described “death squad” employed — has been used, too, as a training manual, notably for the intelligence officers deployed to the torture prison at Abu Ghraib, where teenage boys were raped. (General Aussaresses was indicted in France for publishing this apologia for “crimes against humanity” — actions which French President Jacques Chirac qualified as “atrocities” when he ordered the General stripped of one France’s most prestigious decorations, the Legion of Honor, for his published confession.)
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2004-10/10ireland.cfm

Posted by: citizen k | Nov 27 2005 4:24 utc | 27

@R’Giap
Juan Cole when he reports the facts, especially in the non-english ME media, is when he is at his best (IMHO)… however, even for a scholar, Cole can sometimes be incredibly blinkered and subjective in his analysis and occasionally almost willfully ignorant re historical events … not going to stop reading his blog though … 😉
for a synopsis of the use of air power by the RAF in the interwar years in the specifically Iraq (they also used it as a casualty saving measure throughout the ME and India/Afghanistan, Brit casualties, that is …:

A Deadly Action Replay
‘At dawn the bombers came. As the first RAF machines came in low over the hills surrounding the village of Rowanduz, the people left their homes and ran for the nearby hills, hoping to escape the “birds of death” by hiding among the gullies and caves. The village was partially destroyed in the raid, but two hours later, just as the villagers had returned to what was left of their homes, a second wave of bombers arrived and completed the destruction. Many of the houses had been completely destroyed, but all had suffered major damage, and several villagers had been killed or wounded. One 13 year old boy had been hurled 12 feet in the air by an explosion, breaking his ribs and left leg and arm. Although he would limp for the rest of his life, he was lucky, for his young cousin and best friend had been killed.’ …

Actually it was Winston Churchill that directed the use of chemical warfare (gassing) from the air against the ‘barbarian savages'(others) 60 odd years before Saddam Hussein and Halabjahs Kurds, IIRC, at some point in these glorious interwar years of the RAF … long before the internationally decried actions (chemical bombs from the air) of the Italian Fascists under Mussolini in their late 1930’s campaigns in Ethiopia and Eritrea. But then, of course, Mussolini’s Italy wasn’t a righteous and just democracy, defending Empire, was it ?

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 27 2005 4:41 utc | 28

It being not yet dreamtime, and a spell of rainy days passing into sun,
we spent today acting instead of obsessing over our leaky roof. You see,
we spent the dry season detailing and tuckpointing the whole thing, but
then, first torrential rain of monsoon season, there it was, drip, drip, drip,
kind of like the feeling we had, after exhaustively explaining to our friends
the intricasies of BushCo’s evil dealings, only to have them drip, drip, drip
back in 2004 to supporting Bush/Cheney for another four years anyway .
So we started calling around to roofers, and putting savings in the bank.
We figured it was just us, our poor roofing skills, our inability to link syntax
and soliloquy into some compelling argument for our Republican friends.
We let it defeat us, without even investigating it. It’s that $%*’g roof again!
But not today! Maybe it was the white phosphorus, Bush’s secret plan to
smuggle WMD’s into Iraq, or the frustration of Fitzgerald and Plamegate,
but when that sun came out, after a month of rain, by golly gee, we got up
and ripped those skylights off, speaking truth to power, in full battle rattle.
Well, what do you know … the g’d–n contractors laid the skylights right on
top of the wood and sheetrock without a shim or a gasket! It was just like
that newsflash, reading about Fitzgerald’s investigation, the cross-links.
Of course! It wasn’t the roof, it was the skylight condensing and dripping!
What amazing things you discover when you really start digging.
So we took them all apart, and cleaned them with alcohol, and planed
down the roof curbs flush, and laid on a thick gaskets. Didn’t take much,
like casting your vote, just do it. Then on a hunch, I stopped by the local
hardware store and found this stretch plastic film, you tape it over the
skylight, then run a hair-dryer over it to shrink it tight and clear as glass.
Eight bucks! That’s all it cost us, and the elbow grease, and now those
skylights are clean, pristine, no weeping, no thick mat of black mold(!),
no condensation, no dribbles down the sheetrock softening the paint.
All because the sun came out, we forgot our self-doubts, and *did it*.
Now just think what we could all do if we *really ripped into* BushCo!
What happened to MoA’s plan to wikipedize our collective knowledge?
Let’s rip some collective new a–holes for the denizens of Capitol Hill!
Don’t forget our veterans in the veterans hospitals over the holidays!
Long distance calling cards can make their
very lonely holidays a happier one.
Just pick up one every time you shop, and
send them to the recovery ward desk.
They’re fighting dying on our nickel.

Posted by: Elrod MacAffey | Nov 27 2005 4:57 utc | 29

Tired of pointing out that accidental shootings of fellow family members easily outnumbered US citizens killed or injured by terrorists in the last 12 months?
Sick of explaining that there were no Iraqis anywhere near any of the foul acts committed on 9/11?
Well the next time a friend or neighbour tells you “I just don’t understand why these Ayrabs hate freedom? We’ve been helping them get free for years and they would rather blow up innocents than vote”, show them this Reuters article from NewsCorp, the people who brought you “Fox Friends”:

“Egyptian police detained over 270 Muslim Brotherhood supporters and restricted voting on Saturday, day four of elections in which Islamists have made a strong showing, the Brotherhood and witnesses said.
In the Nile Delta village of Hayatim, men with machetes and clubs attacked Brotherhood organizers outside polling stations, helping to frighten off people who wanted to vote in the parliamentary elections, witnesses and election monitors said.
Police picked up about 59 Brotherhood organizers in dawn raids in Alexandria before voting started, security sources said. A Brotherhood spokesman said the number detained stood at 274, mostly in Alexandria, the Nile Delta and Port Said.”

Be sure to point out to your friends that Mohamed Atta al-Sayed the alleged ringleader of the 9/11 attacks was an Egyptian. That he was a highly educated and intelligent person who became overwhelmed with anger because he saw the US’s bribery and pressure to get already out of touch Middle Eastern dictators, to support Israel’s illegal occupation of the West Bank as proof of the pointlessness of trying to makes changes ‘from within’.
And no that didn’t give him the right to slaughter innocents however it is to be expected that people from anywhere would make these sort of bad choices when their options become limited to ‘Lie down and spread ’em’ or ‘Stand up and fight back’.
Incidentally Atta believed “Saddam Hussein was an American stooge set up to give Washington an excuse to intervene in the Middle East”.
Unless people in the west and particularly those in the US take the time to find out for themselves exactly what their lofty statements about freedom and the Israeli right to Palestinian Territory means to the people actually living in these territories, how treating actual living breathing towns like streets in a game of monopoly effects real people, they are going to be fighting bloody wars for no discernable reason until their nation is a bankrupt pariah.
If they don’t like reading, point them toward this TVNZ news story on the Israeli occupation of Hebron .

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 27 2005 5:23 utc | 30

Scholorship aside, I wonder if Juan Cole is inclined to pull a punch, and tow to an extent, the exceptionalist line. Its no(or is it)
coincidence that Coles outline for withdrawl — to just over the “horizon” is essentially the same as that advocated by Murtha — which is a protectorant force for the Shiite majority, least they become unravelled and unable to prevail (and lose the access&control to stable mineral extraction). The semantic parsing of the WP argument, while annoying, is illustrative that his ideas within the beltway are being considered, perhaps (seriously) as an alternative way to preserve the sacred and unmentioned “interest” preserving in the process, the look of disengagement.Such an influence also requires exclusive “hands off” military culpubility, hence the administrative semantic song and dance. And while this would generally be a step (that is not totally clueless)in the right direction in itself, it could just as easily complicate and compress the existing situation, instead of releaving the pressure. And as much as he dislikes Chalabi, he better watch out for his shadow.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 27 2005 11:15 utc | 31

still on my first cup of coffee, but is the r’giap here parody of rememberinggiap? it just don’t sound like him, nor is it signed as usual. am I missing something? the recurrance of “seamy soft pornography” and “white skin priviledge” sounded like something stuck in someone’s craw.
not the poetry I’m used to. but what do I know?

Posted by: dk | Nov 27 2005 15:06 utc | 32

dk r’giap & remembereringgiap are one and the same.

Posted by: annie | Nov 27 2005 15:46 utc | 33

if indeed, my deepest apologies to rememberinggiap. I remain a huge fan of your writing.

Posted by: dk | Nov 27 2005 16:05 utc | 34

dk
the two are the same – when i am out working sometimes with what little time i have i want to either read or post
but yr right there is not much poetry in what i sd except perhaps for the dictum of maïakovski – at the moment the communities i work with are under great pressure since the ‘riots’ & this time of year is especially hard for the homeless & the exiles. there is less anger in them but there is the profoundest forms of melancholy whch i seem to absorb
& i have such a reliance on the internet for information. it has become the primary source for me so when i read the parsing of mr cole – it seems like i am watching some awful bbc talk programme where the interviwer when asked a specifi question offers – welll it could go like this or it could go like that – it could be a bad thing but it could also be a good thing & with their constant use of ‘ ‘ every time a legitimate event has taken place that they do not want to confirm one way or another
truly i am tired, i am tired of them
truth has never been as necessary as it is today
& for me fallujah has become a signifying moment – what we don’t know about the terrible events that have passed there cause great, great concern

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 27 2005 16:10 utc | 35

dk
no apologies are necessary especially from this community which offers many moments of consolation & strength through the humanity & information it provides
i assume we are all doing our best – & that is price which includes fatigue sometimes enormous fatigue

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 27 2005 16:14 utc | 36

“In 2001, after the September 11 attacks, the Pentagon awarded the Rendon Group, a public affairs firm, a $16.7m contract to monitor media in the Islamic world. It was assigned to track “the location and use of Al-Jazeera news bureaux, reporters and stringers”, and was asked to “identify the biases of specific journalists and potentially obtain an understanding of their allegiances”.
The firm says that it did not go on to monitor Al-Jazeera. But the original contract suggests the Pentagon was interested in targeting the station and its journalists.
In 2002 Al-Jazeera’s bureau in Kabul was hit by a US missile and five months later a missile struck its Baghdad office and killed a reporter. Both were said to be accidents.
Frank Gaffney, head of the Center for Security Policy, a Washington-based think tank, last week described Al-Jazeera as “fair game” on the grounds that it promoted beheadings and suicide bombings.”
times of london

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 27 2005 16:18 utc | 37

one more glorious france post, and rgiap’ll earn his parody.

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 27 2005 16:18 utc | 38

First, Do No Harm – Music for the Broken
A few years ago, actually, decades, my spouse and I discovered a non-feral cat
abandoned at a freeway rest stop. Actually, it had been abandoned for a long
time, and only the smell of our tuna fish sandwiches made it bold enough to beg.
Great cat, tortoiseshell and tabby, awesome eyes that draw you in, wait, what the
hell is that! In the cat’s eyes, on their surface, dozens of transparent filarial worms.
J—s C—t!! We had to show the vet, he’d never seen that, but sure enough, with the
magnifying glass, dozens of worms whipping back and forth from the tear ducts.
Well, we picked out new cat up the next day, and our vet had discovered by calling
the local university these worms live in deer guts, and deer pellets, which our feral
cat had been surviving on, along with dumpster-diving at the freeway rest area.
Who knew?!
– – –
Fast forward a dozen years, when our then old cat started bringing home a lot of
mice. Not fast and furious mice, but weak and limping ones. At first I figured the
cat had chewed on them a bit first, but then I noticed these mice were coming
out of the ground in the garden, crawling around like drowning, well, rats!
I picked one up as the cat climbed onto my knee, and then dropped it in disgust.
Around the mouse’s anus were clusters of pupae the size of deer pellets. Then
it occurred to me, maybe I should take this to the local university, it might be a new
pest imported from Russia, or Holland, or one of those socialist countries! (smile)
So I gingerly plucked one off the expired mouse and pickled it in alcohol and sent
it off to the local university entomological lab. Then a couple weeks later I got a letter,
‘Thank you for sending this pupae, please don’t send any more (smile), it’s a common
form of bot fly that crawls into the mouse burrows and lays eggs on their fur, etcetera.’
Who knew?!
– – –
Now I’m not a conspiracy type, but in all my years of living and looking at the world,
I’ve never found anything, not plant infestation, not insect larvae, not frog or creeper,
not winged insect, nothing that you can’t find in the text books, and no disease the
doctors haven’t been treating since Asklepios. Sure, they may not have known what
it was, in the modern bacteriological virological fashion, and they may have treated
it by using leeches or giving mercury philters or casting spells, but they knew of it.
Until HIV1B (AIDS). Until H5N1 (AVIAN). (Now hold that thought for the denouement.)
– – –
All of which has nothing to do with diseases of mankind, but diseases of the body
politic. How is it, of all these political diseases known to man since ancient times,
the Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Mayans, Christian Kings and now this behemoth
United States variant, why, when it gives so little back in return, does the American
style of government demand such a heavy tithe? Royal lines ruled for centuries on
tribute, a share of harvest, and a 10% tithe to the Church. You worked your tenant
parcel, you served in the king’s army, and that was it, the rest of your life was yours.
The ancient cultures had their captured slaves, and their war booty. Today, we
have crude oil stored for eons underground, more energy available to us than
the total sum of all civilizations gone before. Not just energy, but machines, the
industrial age, more slaves than the total sum of all civilizations gone before us.
Industrial man should be the richest folks on earth, and their government *free*.
Yet we pay more tribute, more labor, more service, than any civilization before.
Why is that? $1,450,000,000,000 every single year, year in, and year out. There
are no bad years for United States government. When tax revenues fall off, when
the people have been weakened by plagues of speculators, well, they start a war.
And what do the people get in return? Nothing! A few jobs, (you might even say a
plague of jobs, but for that kind of investment, about the lowest return possible.)
Not-for-profits and charities are watched closely to see that they remain charities.
Every year, they post their profit and loss, and their actuals percentage. Most are
in the 85% range. That is, 85% of the money contributed to them is left over after
administrative overhead, to go towards charitable giving.
Now comes Federal government. It’s nowhere near 85%! Administrative overhead
is 50%, once the money trickles down to the appropriation level. In some cases,
administrative overhead is as high as 85%, in Bureau of Indian Affairs, for example.
When you add in their in-ability to execute and collect royalties on Indian Trust lands,
their actual administrative overhead is more than 100%!!
C’est incredible!
What do we get for our Federal investment? Nothing! For $500,000,000,000, did
the Department of Defense defend US against 9/11? Nope, they were off playing
war games. For our $36,500,000,000, did the Department of Homeland Defense
(FEMA) defend US against Katrina or Shoe Bomber? Nope! Well, with the special
appropriations our Congress gave them, did they at least rebuild the devastation?
Nope!! There’s *still* a hole in the ground in New York City, and still a mountain of
siwash in New Orleans, and Iraq is now even more a living hell than it was before.
All that tax money is gone. Trillions. Pffft! Poof! Up in Federal smoke and mirrors.
Oh, but let’s send a mission to Mars!
Better, let’s lease our Federal lands to foreign companies for less than the cost of
the inevitable cleanup. No, hey, let’s spend *more* to develop those Federal lands
than can be extracted from them! There you go! Admin overhead over 100% again!
Yet somehow, citizens of Brunei, for example, live quite well on their oil royalties.
The citizens of Kuwait were largely able to fly off to Mediterranean vacations while
United States was rescuing their country from Saddam. The citizens of Libya, for
C—t sake, all have free health care services. Libya, and a whole host of other
countries. But not the great United States, the land of teeming resources and
more Federal land than any nation on earth, yet we get nothing back in return!
Not health care, not education, not nothing. Just taxes on taxes, taxes on your
cell phone from the 1800’s(!), taxes on your gas, taxes on your land, taxes, and
prisons, and deficit expenditures that have nothing to do with defense, deficits
and bureaucratic bleeding of the body politic until it’s too weak to defend itself,
weeping sores and cancerous abandoned industrial towns and whole regions.
– – –
Ergo, US Federal government is the modern equivalent of HIV-AIDS on mankind.
And like H5N1 avian flu, it’s jumping from society to society, and must be stopped.
It is, after all, our money, and our land, and we have the accountants and lawyers.
To the guillotines!

Posted by: tante aime | Nov 27 2005 16:39 utc | 39

Isn’t is so that the U spends half of its budget on ‘defence’?
That keeps others in line, and permits the US to print dollaris like there was no tomorow.
Putting all your eggs in one basket kinda thing.

Posted by: Noisette | Nov 27 2005 18:22 utc | 40

slothrop
i don’t get the point
i have lived half of my life in france – i came to her as an exile as someone who wanted something better – i love her – but i have known her sins – since i was a young
the point is – so does she
you cannot live in this country & not understand that its melancholly is historically determined
my brothers & sisters in struggle have been vietnamese indonesians, filiinos, greeks, argentinians, peruvians ,iraqui, lebnese angolese, italians, germans, they have been syrian, scottish, siranamese, they have been portugese irish indian & mongolian
i don’t know what your point is
my internationalism is a matter of public record – a film on my work – ‘brûlures’ is available n loan through the documentary film centre
is it because i insist that at this moment – imperialism has an american face & is it because i intervonnect the cultural malignancy with the illegal & immoral foreign policies of that empire
i am not anti – american
i imagined i was having a dialogue here – with americans – who are also trying to understand the sinister nature of our times

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 27 2005 19:09 utc | 41

I’m just kidding. I have my parody written, waiting for the right moment!

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 27 2005 19:23 utc | 42

well i’ll give you a leg up, my friend slothrop
of learning today – that a person i hold in high esteem ramsey clark is trying to be permitted to defend saddam hussein in court – i know will be held up to ridicule
so you can begin now, my friend

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 27 2005 19:41 utc | 43

🙂

Posted by: DM | Nov 28 2005 3:57 utc | 44

Justin Raimondo’s latest broadside against the neo-con galleon is no mere
“shot across the bow”, but rather the announcement of boarding parties ready for hand-to-hand (well at least
pen-hand against pen-hand) combat.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 28 2005 6:21 utc | 45

only because I’ve opened my yap already, and I do read here everyday, so I feel a sense of entitlement to spew…
there feels a desperation in the air in the ghettos of Chicago, crime will rise with the heating bills. Chazev’s brand new Citgo stations are gleaming on all the corners, but there are many more shoppping carts piled high with shipping pallets at $2 a pop and 10lbs. of aluminum cans will get you the same.
the sun is setting at 4pm; it will be a cold winter.
the war will not remain in Iraq much longer, it will come home.

Posted by: dk | Nov 28 2005 6:28 utc | 46

@ RGiap
A point of idle curiosity (and perhaps a small and somewhat paradoxical “commercial” for your work):
Is this the “brûlures” to which you referred above?
If so, I’m tempted to acquire it.

By the way, and FWIW, I find you to be no more anti-american than any decent U.S. citizen ought to be right now, and, alas, probably for a long time to come.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 28 2005 6:37 utc | 47

Beyond words: ‘Trophy’ video exposes private security contractors shooting up Iraqi drivers

A “trophy” video appearing to show security guards in Baghdad randomly shooting Iraqi civilians has sparked two investigations after it was posted on the internet, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.
The video has sparked concern that private security companies, which are not subject to any form of regulation either in Britain or in Iraq, could be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent Iraqis.
Lt Col Tim Spicer is investigating the incident
The video, which first appeared on a website that has been linked unofficially to Aegis Defence Services, contained four separate clips, in which security guards open fire with automatic rifles at civilian cars. All of the shooting incidents apparently took place on “route Irish”, a road that links the airport to Baghdad.
The road has acquired the dubious distinction of being the most dangerous in the world because of the number of suicide attacks and ambushes carried out by insurgents against coalition troops. In one four-month period earlier this year it was the scene of 150 attacks.
In one of the videoed attacks, a Mercedes is fired on at a distance of several hundred yards before it crashes in to a civilian taxi. In the last clip, a white civilian car is raked with machine gun fire as it approaches an unidentified security company vehicle. Bullets can be seen hitting the vehicle before it comes to a slow stop.
There are no clues as to the shooter but either a Scottish or Irish accent can be heard in at least one of the clips above Elvis Presley’s Mystery Train, the music which accompanies the video.

Posted by: Fran | Nov 28 2005 7:22 utc | 48

hkol
helas no
the film is ‘brûlure’ par lionel brouet who has alo done a film on the french band ‘lojo triban’ & a film on the taureg music festival held in the desert. the film is in french & english

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 28 2005 10:48 utc | 49

@ RGiap,
Thanks for the further information. I’ll look
into it.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 28 2005 16:51 utc | 50

CIFA: The Pentagon’s COINTELPRO
The White House is considering expanding the power of a little-known Pentagon agency called the Counterintelligence Field Activity, or CIFA, which was created three years ago. The proposal, made by a presidential commission, would transform CIFA from an office that coordinates Pentagon security efforts—including protecting military facilities from attack—to one that also has authority to investigate crimes within the United States such as treason, foreign or terrorist sabotage or even economic espionage.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 28 2005 17:45 utc | 51

Scandal could take in at least a dozen in Congress
by Silla Brush.
Excuse me for being rude, but what kinda name is ‘Silla Brush’?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 28 2005 19:57 utc | 52

A HREF=”/A>http://icasualties.org/”>Does anyone know what’s going on?
Today’s casualty report from the DoD states that the total U.S. deaths for Operation Iraqi Freedom is 2245. This is over 130 more than our count and the total number of DoD death confirmations.
The DoD has given no explanation for the sudden increase in fatality totals and there has been no mention in the press as to why the totals have increased dramatically over the past week.

Posted by: Havenite | Nov 28 2005 20:10 utc | 53

Sorry, one more try Here

Posted by: Havenite | Nov 28 2005 20:13 utc | 54

Randy “Duke” Cunningham is gone. Thanks to Josh Marshall who made this a real public case.
Some 500 left to go.

Posted by: b | Nov 28 2005 20:46 utc | 55

@Havenite – found elsewhere:
“The DoD link is counting the 139 killed from Mar. 18- Apr. 30, 2003 twice.”
Looks like an error, though I would be interested in real numbers of wounded etc.

Posted by: b | Nov 28 2005 21:00 utc | 56

Good Question, Uncle – What kinda Name is “Silla Brush”?
Here’s an Extraordinary Tidbit. This letter to the editor was published in the right-wing mormon daily newspapaper – the Newspaper of Record in the blighted state of Utah.
Start with Cheney
Perhaps the vice president is correct, America should be able to torture suspects to garner information. Let us start with Mr. Cheney, as it appears he may have information regarding the CIA leak from his chief of staff.
   
   David Taylor
   Salt Lake City

link
   

Posted by: jj | Nov 28 2005 21:16 utc | 57

Marine ‘bullying’ video condemned

A film apparently showing a Royal Marine being beaten unconscious has been widely condemned.
The footage obtained by the News of the World appears to show two naked men being forced to fight each other.
One of the men is then kicked in the face, allegedly by one of his superiors in 42 Commando.
. . .
The newspaper said the footage had been filmed covertly by another marine at 42 Commando’s base at Bickleigh Barracks, near Plymouth in May.
. . .
Twelve soldiers who had just finished their 32-week commando training were alleged to have taken part in the initiation ritual, while around 40 other marines – also stripped naked – watched.
The fight appears to have been “directed” by two non-commissioned officers. One was dressed in a surgeon’s outfit, the other dressed as a schoolgirl.

Posted by: b real | Nov 28 2005 21:52 utc | 58

John @americablog, weighs in w/the 25th Amendment which provides for removing pres. from Office when he’s too mad to carry out his job. Glad to see that I’m not the only one who saw that as Hugely Significant Part of Sy Hersh’s current New Yorker Article. It’s obvious that he needs to be removed from office for Emotional Incompetence after Cheney’s “allowed to resign for medical reasons”, so it’s our job to keep focusing on it. link

Posted by: jj | Nov 28 2005 21:55 utc | 59

Jewish Newspaper, the Forward, published art. by renowned Israeli (Presumably) Military Historian @Hebrew Univ. calling for Bush’s impeachment.(He is the only non-American author on the U.S. Army’s required reading list for officers.):
For misleading the American people, and launching the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 B.C sent his legions into Germany and lost them, Bush deserves to be impeached and, once he has been removed from office, put on trial along with the rest of the president’s men. If convicted, they’ll have plenty of time to mull over their sins. link

Posted by: jj | Nov 28 2005 22:16 utc | 60

“Good Question, Uncle – What kinda Name is “Silla Brush”?”
I had a roommate in college who didn’t like Priscilla. She called herself Cilla. It sure beats prissy.

Posted by: beq | Nov 28 2005 23:22 utc | 61

National Groups Seek Records on Exclusions of Foreign Scholars
Washington, D.C. — The American Association of University Professors (AAUP) has joined with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and PEN American Center in a legal action against the U.S. Departments of State, Justice, and Homeland Security and the Central Intelligence Agency. , In a complaint filed today the national groups charge that these federal agencies are illegally withholding information on the government’s practice of excluding prominent foreign intellectuals based on their political views.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 28 2005 23:22 utc | 62

GM to raise India workforce by 30%
America’s loss is turning out to be India’s gain. Within days of announcing 30,000 job-cuts in the US, automobile giant General Motors Corp will this week unveil plans to increase its workforce in India by nearly 30%.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 28 2005 23:59 utc | 63

War on the Media: “Don’t Bomb Us”
By Danny Schechter
Source: MediaChannel.org
… Why aren’t these [U.S.] companies speaking out when other media organizations like Al Jazeera are threatened and attacked? What are they doing to demand independent inquiries into the killings of journalists and media staff? The toll in Iraq now stands at 93, and the Reuters bureau chief in Baghdad says the US military poses a bigger threat to newsgathering than the insurgents. (Reuters has bravely challenged the Pentagon to tell the truth!)…

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 29 2005 2:26 utc | 64

the heroic & principled ramsey clark is defending, what no doubt the new attorney general/torturer-in-chied gonzales, would call the quaint notion of law
of course ramsey will be attacked for being a ‘friend’ of tyrants – when he has been constant in defending what a law might be in a half perfect world
they will of course accuse him again of beng part of the left cult answer
& they will vilify & demonise again & again but there is no way they can strip the basic decency & honor of this man
i have seen clark speaking of the late fred hampton & it made me really comprehend in a practical way in what manner power in america wanted the physical liquidation of a militant leadership of black, chicano, indian & other peoples of the americas
while so much of what passes for ‘law’ & ‘rights’ in america is just so much culturepap or gauleiter judge freiser jurisprudence – he givesthe notion of the right to defence of everyone, honour

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 29 2005 2:46 utc | 65

Stars and Stripes (via Floyd)

Posted by: DM | Nov 29 2005 3:41 utc | 66

So, are there any democrats left in Congress to tax GM 100% of the salary differential bet. jobs here & India?

Posted by: jj | Nov 29 2005 4:41 utc | 67

EU Warns Members On Secret US Camps
This looks to me like pre-WWI era containment of “rogue nations”. Well, if the populace and occasional US senator can’t get them to see reason on the torture issue, maybe old-fashioned economic sanctions will. Then again, maybe not. Cuba’s cigar trade is still going strong.
As an aside, when I first started showing up at MoA, my ohrwurm used to serenade me with Brecht’s “Alabama Song” (or at least the Door’s cover of it)… but nowadays after every visit, all I can hear is Cohen’s Everybody Knows.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 29 2005 5:20 utc | 68

Am I the only one who’s been curious to hear about the terms of J Miller’s separation from NYT? For those similarly curious, we should all be so “fired”. Golden Parachute is more apt characterization.
She’s reported to have received 3 Years Pay as Severance. Plus A BONUS – 3 more years pay. Cash rumored to be about $3M!!! PLUS Times Medical Benefits for the Rest of Her Life…and Presumably she’s still getting her pension!! Toughies…link

Posted by: jj | Nov 29 2005 5:25 utc | 69

From Juan Cole today:
Shiite leader Abdul Aziz al-Hakim complained to the Washington Post that the US itself was holding back the Iraqi army (which seems to be mostly Kurds and Shiites) from going after the Sunni Arab guerrillas in a concerted way. But this prospect is the other reason that the Shiites and the Kurds can’t just take care of the Sunni Arabs. If one isn’t careful, it would turn into a hot civil war on ethnic grounds (I don’t mean 38 dead a day, I mean it would be ten times that). And if the Shiites and Kurds massacre Sunni Arabs in the course of fighting the guerrillas, the Saudi, Jordanian and Sunni Syrian publics are not going to take that lying down and volunteer fighters would flock to Iraq in real numbers.
…………..snip
Likewise, I argued that the US should only make this airstrike capability available for defensive operations. Say that the 1920 Revolution Brigades got up a militia force to march on Hilla from Mahmudiyah, and the brigade made short work of the Iraqi infantry sent against it. In such a situation, the US should use air power to stop the neo-Baathists and Salafis from massacring the Shiites of Hilla. But the US Air Force should not be a toy in the hands of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, who will most likely be the most powerful politician in Iraq come Dec. 16. If one keeps some Special Ops forces in Iraq, it would require a continued ability by the US to rescue them if anything went wrong,
which is one reason both I and Congressman Murtha envisaged a continued over-the-horizon US presence in the region for a while.
……………snip
So according to Cole, al-Hakim is likely to become the most powerful politician(PM) in Iraq, and is chomping the bit to escalate counter-insurgency. Cole feels this could easly escalate into real civil war, particularly, if he can utilize US airpower at will. As a safeguard, Cole recommends only US special forces be givin authorization to target, as an insurance that it be used only as a defensive posture.
I dont know how to take this idea, if its just bullshit to marginalize the occupation, to remove it from the ground in Iraq logistically enough so re-entering is politically impossible, fine, at least its a way out. But, to entertain such a plan as a workable solution, is so frought with problems that (as even JC points out) things could easily go regional.The problem with this scenario is the elephant in the room remains the US military, a de-facto occupation by proxie. Which in many ways, and in particular giving one sectarian faction the power to call in US airstrikes, could in all likelyhood inflame animosities already present. This is a crazy fucking idea, and why Juan Cole wants to armchair yet more military solution into the situation is beyond me, its not like every military solution has been a screaming success so far — unless screaming indicates success.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 29 2005 10:52 utc | 70

@anna missed
None of these Bush&Co approved ‘plans’ are about ending the occupation or returning Iraq to Iraqi’s, yet … read between the lines … they reduce, not withdraw, boots on the ground and (temporarily ?) hand off to the native ‘Sepoy’s’ while manipulating/interfering with the semi-pliant ‘Raj’ … that should shut up concerns about American casualties driving the anti-war movement …
More air strikes (smart weapons my ass!) with the inevitable even greater subsequent indiscriminate civilian casualties as ‘collateral’ whilst ‘loosing’ the militia’s in Iraqi uniforms is going to douse the flames of insurgency, especially whilst we do not renounce our colonial claims nor cease gross interference ?
Jeez, the only reason Allawi is sprouting the insincere human rights crap is so we can have two ‘recycled’, publicly pseudo-anti-occupation puppets ready in the wings to install by fair means or foul at the first available opportunity …
Bush&Co and even the Dems are playing for big geopolitical stakes here … the continuance of superpower dominance … all the rest is revolving smoke and mirrors justifications …
Cole also continues with his crap about the insurgents being just Ba’athists and Sunni’s even though his own references do not support that conclusion … 82% opposed to occupation ?! when the Sunni are only ~15% of the population ?!

There is a civil war raging in Iraq, but not a conflict between Sunni and Shi’a. It is a clash between those who support the occupation and those who oppose it.
– Phyllis Bennis of the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington

my 0.02 cents is up

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 29 2005 11:40 utc | 71

Thanks for link to the Al-Jazeera staff blog, Siun.
Barflies may also be interested to read the take of Conservative MP and journalist (editor of right-wing rag The Spectator), Boris Johnson, who has said he’d go to jail for publishing the details of the proposed bombing:
But if there is one thing that would seem to confirm the essential accuracy of the story, it is that the [UK] attorney-general has announced that he will prosecute anyone printing the exact facts.

Posted by: Dismal Science | Nov 29 2005 17:13 utc | 72

@ Dismal Science: Thanks. I hope someone takes him up on it.

Posted by: beq | Nov 29 2005 17:52 utc | 73

from znet: a brief chomsky & herman q/a on the iraq war

Posted by: b real | Nov 29 2005 19:31 utc | 74

Outraged,
I freely admit that I’m no ME scholar, but Juan Cole is, and this is what’s bugging me. One expects scholarship to fill in whats between the lines objectivly — as opposed to floating political fix-alls that resonate with this or that party line(that are really about and) involve preferential face saving for the US. And while its his right to be an advocate for either a democratic (plan) or his beloved Shia in Iraq, who would benifit from such a plan — he should not be suprised to find his thought (assuming they are genuine) easily and likely preverted for political expediancy. And why does he so rarely mention the social/economic problems confronting Iraq, that are the direct result of occupation, has having to do with the ever increasing chaos. 60% unemployment, all the Bremmer economic directives still in place, all the ministries still choked with US (5year) appointees, rampent brain and capital flight, massive governmental corruption and on and on — problems that if addressed would actually reduce the temperature of strife — but no — its always about us, and our money, and our war on terror, and our vanity, and our honor. How anybody, least of all these scholars, can expect that this one eye in the mirror, and one eye in the gunsight — that got us in this mess in the first place — is going to get us out is beyond me. I expect better.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 29 2005 20:15 utc | 75

above, me

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 29 2005 20:22 utc | 76

b real,
funny you should post that, my sentiments exactly.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 29 2005 20:31 utc | 77

If anyone’s interested in Bob Woodward, here’s a link to an exc. excerpt from the Great Joan Didion. She’s nails the Stenographer precisely in a ’96 art. in NY Rev. of Bks.
After reading six of Woodward’s books, she highlighted the “disinclination of Mr. Woodward to exert cognitive energy on what he is told.”
Can’t be said any better. link

Posted by: jj | Nov 29 2005 21:38 utc | 78

@anna missed at 3:15:44 PM
Oh agreed. Precisely why the objectivity and validity of his subsequent analysis should not be taken at face value. Not going to skip his translation and collection output though … no different than carefully parsing the regular MSM articles …

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 29 2005 23:58 utc | 79

@anna missed at 3:15:44 PM – “i expect better”
so do i

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 30 2005 0:17 utc | 80

short simple & clear
noam chomsky
“One can go on. But the major and crucial point overlooked is the judgment of Nuremberg, declaring that aggression is “the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” All of the “accumulated evil.” Also overlooked are the stern words of the US Chief Counsel Justice Jackson: “If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us… We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well.” Until at least this is recognized, all other discussion is merely footnotes, and shameful ones.”

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 30 2005 1:16 utc | 81

you cannot live in this country & not understand that its melancholly is historically determined
Not to go all trollish or anything, rg, but if my country can’t help being sad about nasty stuff too, can we call it square, or is that different like?

Posted by: Jape | Nov 30 2005 2:17 utc | 82

via pr watch: By God, another awful Bush appointment

…the Bush administration has taken promotion of [well-connected political hacks] to embarrassing extremes, selecting unqualified people for posts because of their political loyalty and ideological persuasion. The most recent example of this was the appointment of Paul Bonicelli to be deputy director of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), which is in charge of all programs to promote democracy and good governance overseas.
. . .
The closest he comes to democracy-promotion or good governance is having worked as a staffer for the Republican Party in the International Relations Committee of the House of Representatives.
More significant to the administration, perhaps, is the fact that Bonicelli is dean of academic affairs at tiny Patrick Henry College in rural Virginia. The fundamentalist institution’s motto is “For Christ and Liberty.” It requires that all of its 300 students sign a 10-part “statement of faith” declaring, among other things, that they believe “Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, is God come in the flesh;” that “Jesus Christ literally rose bodily from the dead”; and that hell is a place where “all who die outside of Christ shall be confined in conscious torment for eternity.”
Faculty members, too, must sign a pledge stating they share a generally literalist belief in the Bible. Revealingly, only biology and theology teachers are required to hold a literal view specifically of the Bible’s six-day creation story.
. . .
Patrick Henry was founded in 2000 for home-schooled students. Among the fundamentalist community, home-schooling is seen as a way to promote Christian values as an alternative to what is regarded as an increasingly secular and irreligious culture prevalent in public schools. The college says it aims to “prepare Christian men and women who will lead our nation and shape our culture with timeless biblical values and fidelity to the spirit of the American founding.” It seeks “to aid in the transformation of American society by training Christian students to serve God and mankind with a passion for righteousness, justice and mercy, through careers of public service and cultural influence.”
Though Bonicelli has scant credentials for his new post, he and his institution enjoy close ties to the Bush administration and to fundamentalist religious groups that form such a critical part of the president’s base. Many Patrick Henry students have been chosen to serve as interns working for White House political adviser Karl Rove, for the White House Office of Public Liaison, and for Republican members of the House and Senate. “Most students’ values don’t link up with [those of] the Democrats,” Bonicelli says.
. . .
…the USAID programs Bonicelli will run are important weapons in the arsenal of Bush’s new public diplomacy czarina, White House confidante Karen Hughes. These programs are intended to play a central role in boosting Bush’s efforts to foster democracy and freedom in Iraq and throughout the broader Middle East.
One can only wonder how Muslims, the target audience for these USAID programs, will react to the view that “all who die outside of Christ shall be confined in conscious torment for eternity.”

Posted by: b real | Nov 30 2005 3:42 utc | 83

Well is’nt that special.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 30 2005 4:07 utc | 84

Which is special, that georgie appoints a Theocrat rather than a Corporocrat, or that we have to read about it in the Lebanese Press for christ sakes, rather than headlines of Pravda-on-the-Potomac?

Posted by: jj | Nov 30 2005 4:36 utc | 85

@jj
I think the anonymous poster was remarking about the theocrat angle since s/he was quoting from SNL’s Church Lady character.
But you raise a good point as well. How in the world is a democracy (even the increasingly misnamed “representative democracy”) supposed to operate when there does not exist:
1.)Transparency and accountability for elected officials,
2.)A sober, educated, engaged and informed voting populace, and (most importantly for items 1 and 2 to exist),
3.)A free and unfettered press?
I’d call the under-reporting and complete failure to report important news stories by domestic press agencies the scandal-within-a-scandal. At least in certain other countries, if a reporter fails to get the story to print, they usually have a good excuse. Are we seeing any common denominators here?

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 30 2005 4:59 utc | 86

And for any of those still keeping score at home, the story I linked to above (29 Nov. 12:20:45 AM) about the EU threatening its members with punitive actions if they don’t stand strong against US torture flyovers has already drawn a response from the US. Strange how reasonable the US can get when the dollar is falling and a real “coalition of the willing” has something to say about things. Now, I don’t expect the US to exactly piss themselves and back down (like, say, Belgium would), but this is a good start.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 30 2005 8:19 utc | 87