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November 3, 2005
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So Card and McClellan now try to lynch Rove. Please hand over the popcorn, this will be an interesting fight to watch.
Question: Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 3 2005 12:10 utc | 2
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 3 2005 13:33 utc | 4 Berlusconi claims he was a terror target. Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 3 2005 15:03 utc | 5 President Bush last week appointed nine campaign contributors including three longtime fund-raisers, to his Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, a 16-member panel of individuals from the private sector who advise the president on the quality and effectiveness of U.S. intelligence efforts. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 3 2005 16:17 utc | 6 @faux Posted by: Juannie | Nov 3 2005 16:46 utc | 8 a chilly wind is blowing outside my window
Posted by: annie | Nov 3 2005 17:40 utc | 9 Juannie – The idea that Berlusconi might have been threatened Mafia style to support Bush’s war, fits right into my paradigm but I hadn’t considered it. Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days Posted by: steve duncan | Nov 3 2005 18:30 utc | 11 What the fuck is going on in Paris? Posted by: Dismal Science | Nov 3 2005 19:04 utc | 12 This comedy going on in Texas where Delay doesn’t want a judge who contributes to Democrats and the prosecutor points out that the man who would select a judge contributes to Republicans. Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 3 2005 19:13 utc | 13 What’s going on in Paris is what happens when you don’t have an immigration policy that’s in tune w/yr. economy. Posted by: jj | Nov 3 2005 19:20 utc | 14 @hamburger- The lack of meaningful employment for the poor of Paris will play quite a role in winding up the kids to throw rocks but structural unemployment doesn’t have to lead to rioting particularly in a state that trumpets long and hard about it’s social safety net. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 3 2005 20:39 utc | 17 @Malooga + Hamburger NATIONAL STRIKE DAY Posted by: dk | Nov 3 2005 21:07 utc | 19 There’s really no evidence that Afghanistan or anyone living there was responsible for the 9-11 attacks. This is the basic faulty assumption that underlies all discussions of the War on Terra ( which, incidentally, if you know Latin, makes this whole thing even MORE sinister ). Liberal sites all proclaim that Bush & Co. are nothing but pathological liars but they apparently believe that on 9-11 and thereabouts, the Administration told nothing but the truth. Well, no it didn’t. The ONLY proof the Administration has offered in support of its theory that Al-Queda did 9-11 is a medium-quality photo which is supposedly Mohammed Atta going thru an airport checkpoint. But it doesn’t LOOK LIKE their other, presumably passport, photo of Mohammed Atta. So, a photo of an unidentified man proves absolutely nothing. That’s the basis for launching military strikes on a defenseless nation? Americans should be ashamed of themselves. For believing a load of poppycock. Posted by: ShadoGovernment | Nov 3 2005 21:19 utc | 20 The trouble outside Paris shows several things: Posted by: Noisette | Nov 3 2005 21:20 utc | 21 They big guns are going after Cheney to exulpate Bush now.
So the “old” gang decided to shun Cheney and Rove and to keep Bush away from any scandal – see Cheney ran that show… Malooga and b, Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 3 2005 21:29 utc | 23 if the carlyle cronies get rid of cheney, what about his partner in crime donald rumsfeld?. cheney himself probably doesn’t pose much of a threat of retaliation, his ticker’s not likely to support any loose lips. but that rumsfeld, he’s got quite a mouth on him. Posted by: b real | Nov 3 2005 21:48 utc | 25 dk wrote: What has happened to us? Where are the leaders of the likes that led the labor movement so many years ago that gave the workingman a chance? Posted by: Noisette | Nov 3 2005 21:56 utc | 26 ShadoGovt, you’re sceptical that a guy in a cave far beyond nowhere could lead an attack upon the most heavily guarded airspace in the history of the world? Next you’ll be saying the Sun rises in the east. Posted by: jj | Nov 3 2005 22:08 utc | 27 what happening in paris? Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 3 2005 22:21 utc | 28 just for the record
What I do not get is why the big US corporations like GM don´t scream for a nationalized health care system. It would lower their costs and get them healthier workers. @Hamburger (St.Pauli or HSV?)
@Hamburger (Bacon-Cheese or BBQ?) @dk “dang, my bubble of optimism is deflating fast” Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 4 2005 0:11 utc | 32 ps it also goes without saying (which is why I forgot to say it) that nothing should be posted which b doesn’t want or which could blow back on b. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 4 2005 0:16 utc | 33 Milwaukee Paper Apologizes for Accepting ‘Cooked’ WMD Evidence Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 4 2005 0:25 utc | 34 Debs, Posted by: jm | Nov 4 2005 0:38 utc | 35 What I do not get is why the big US corporations like GM don´t scream for a nationalized health care system. It would lower their costs and get them healthier workers. Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 2:19 utc | 36 Uncle, happy to see that you poked yr. head in today. (Hope you’re able to separate external despair from possible internal neurochemical dysfunction that may need to be optimized.) Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 2:22 utc | 37 If you haven’t moved yet to Vt. forget it – property values skyrocketing!! Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 3:04 utc | 38 I found a more extensive interview w/Retired Duke Professor Naylor in a Vt. paper. He initiated the Movement. Turns out Vt. started to secede before the Civil War in opposition to Fed. support for Slavery. So, it’s good that this movement is focused on opposition to Wall Street & Imperial Policies. Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 3:19 utc | 39 @jj Posted by: Outraged | Nov 4 2005 3:29 utc | 40 jj- if a national health care system is so bad, why does France have the best health care system in the world? Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 4 2005 3:32 utc | 41 Glad I wasn’t the only one who missed it! This really helps…several states start to secede ‘cuz they’ve had enough of the Pirates…somebody somewhere has to start to listen. We Have to Make Our Own Channels. Kos did his thing last time..Time to Move On… Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 3:32 utc | 42 @Fauxreal, I never said a National Medical System was inherently so bad. I’m simply telling you that Reich said the one they were putting together for xAmerica would be an abomination. Canada had an excellent one. It depends onif they want it to be comprehensive or not. The Nations that have good ones are not simultaneously bankrupting themselves w/their Military Expenditures. That doesn’t leave much to spend. Anyway, they’re destroying our jobs as fast as they can, so we’re totally superfluous to the elite. What do you expect a medical system they build will be like under those conditions?? Huh?? Duh… Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 3:36 utc | 43 actually, jj, you’re right. this country is so corrupt, it’s really not worth the effort to try to change anything. just let it all implode and try to get out beforehand. Posted by: fauxreal | Nov 4 2005 3:38 utc | 44 I believe Vermont’s largest employer is IBM, up in Burlington, followed by whichever MultiNational bought up Ben and Jerry’s. Still, this story does bring a smile to my face. Of course, Mr. Democracy, Howard Dean, sold off the electric Co.’s, making it easy for the Multis to put a “California squeeze play” on the recalcitrant Mountaineers. Vermont’s state constitution allows it the right of secession. I think it is the only state that has that provision. Not sure how that works. Posted by: eftsoons | Nov 4 2005 4:03 utc | 46 The Regimist stooges at PBS have consigned the Wilkerson interview to the Friday night oubliette. Posted by: eftsoons | Nov 4 2005 4:09 utc | 47 re what’s up with france Posted by: gylangirl | Nov 4 2005 4:11 utc | 48 Whatever happened…The German Bankers in bed w/Wall Street. It’s the Same Deal In Europe, they just got a head start over here. And it’s unclear if Europe will try to emerge as a separate power bloc, which is why xUS elites are preparing to bulk up w/addition of Canada, Mexico & prob. Central America just in case. The only reason Europe can afford the Social Services it has is ‘cuz the money isn’t going down the military rathole, but if they separate from xUS that will prob. change very quickly. (Chirac is the front boy for big Fr. Military Outfit.) Look at the damn European “Constitution” they tried to ram down people’s throats. The entire purpose of that was to consolidate all the power in the hands of German Bankers away from National governments which are still a bit representative – unlike American governments. Posted by: jj | Nov 4 2005 4:27 utc | 49 Since Debs didn’t want the Erschossen thread to Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Nov 4 2005 5:55 utc | 50
Posted by: DM | Nov 4 2005 9:34 utc | 51 Creepshow creep: Michael Ledeen. Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 4 2005 10:43 utc | 52 Manonfyre Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 4 2005 10:58 utc | 53 gylangirl Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 4 2005 11:01 utc | 54 @b | Nov 3, 2005 6:25:56 PM (I’m not a soccer fan)
I’d like to see Fulford and the others speaking publicly these days. Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 4 2005 12:05 utc | 55 A quite succint series of photo’s and a loaded caption at Nur-Al-Cubicle …
Insightfull … Posted by: Outraged | Nov 4 2005 12:11 utc | 56 The French have a long tradition of burning cars to let off steam. Posted by: Lupin | Nov 4 2005 12:16 utc | 57 @Malooga | Nov 3, 2005 6:55:17 PM (a Bostonian, I presume?) Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 4 2005 12:18 utc | 58 @gylangirl. Posted by: Lupin | Nov 4 2005 12:23 utc | 59 I love it down there in Aude, especially in the southern bits where the language starts to mesh with that of the insaniac Catalans. Posted by: Dismal Science | Nov 4 2005 13:07 utc | 60 @lupin, Posted by: gylangirl | Nov 4 2005 15:32 utc | 61 @Hamburger
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 4 2005 17:36 utc | 63
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 4 2005 17:41 utc | 64
sez John Dean. Posted by: beq | Nov 4 2005 18:53 utc | 65 Der Spiegel had a story (in German) earlier today about Larry Wilkerson’s talk on NPR yesterday. No major US blog or paper carried this.
Some stuff Froomkin doesn´t have but which are in the interview: Should the U.S. Withdraw? Let the Iraqi People Decide Posted by: Snippet | Nov 4 2005 19:35 utc | 67 number of cars deliberately burnt up in France, this year till now: Posted by: Noisette | Nov 5 2005 0:17 utc | 68 lupin Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 5 2005 0:48 utc | 69 |
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