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November 12, 2005

Just Another Open One

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Posted by b on November 12, 2005 at 7:56 UTC | Permalink


Air Force Academy Watch:
Group Trains Air Force Cadets to Proselytize

A private missionary group has assigned a pair of full-time Christian ministers to the U.S. Air Force Academy, where they are training cadets to evangelize among their peers, according to a confidential letter to supporters.

The letter makes clear that the organized evangelization effort has continued this year despite an outcry over alleged proselytizing at the academy that has prompted a Pentagon investigation, congressional hearings, a civil lawsuit and new Air Force guidelines on religion.

"Praise God that we have been allowed access by the Academy into the cadet areas to minister among the cadets. We have recently been given an unused classroom to meet with cadets at any time during the day," the husband-and-wife team of Darren and Gina Lindblom said in the Oct. 11 letter to their donors.
Lauren Libby, senior vice president and chief operating officer of the Navigators, said the Lindbloms were assigned to the academy earlier this year, replacing a previous young couple. He said the Navigators have placed full-time staff members at the academy for more than a decade. "We're there as a spiritual resource to cadets," he said. "We've had a very good experience there."

Just again. The folks visiting that academy will be tomorrows officers to control the U.S. nukes. At least they will pray while pressing the buttons and turning the keys ...

Posted by: b | Nov 12 2005 8:04 utc | 1

Revealed: UK wartime torture camp

The British government operated a secret torture centre during the second world war to extract information and confessions from German prisoners, according to official papers which have been unearthed by the Guardian.

More than 3,000 prisoners passed through the centre, where many were systematically beaten, deprived of sleep, forced to stand still for more than 24 hours at a time and threatened with execution or unnecessary surgery.

Some are also alleged to have been starved and subjected to extremes of temperature in specially built showers, while others later complained that they had been threatened with electric shock torture or menaced by interrogators brandishing red-hot pokers.

The centre, which was housed in a row of mansions in one of London's most affluent neighbourhoods, was carefully concealed from the Red Cross, the papers show. It continued to operate for three years after the war, during which time a number of German civilians were also tortured.

So how useful were these crimes?

Posted by: b | Nov 12 2005 8:33 utc | 2


Probably not much use at all but they made great stories. Graham Greene wrote about the time he worked in Intelligence during World War 2.

Mostly about how he met and got to like Kim Philby although they had a falling out over Philby playing bureaucratic games. Years later after Philby had moved to Moscow as KGB General they kissed and made up because Greene reckoned since Philby had been working for the Russians the whole time his 'office jobbery' was alright cause it was done from idealism not ambition.

In passing Greene mentions the screams coming up from the basement. This was before the torture centre was moved to seperate premises. The man in charge of interrogations? Greene claims it was Ian Fleming creator of James Bond!

The English eh. "A war is like a game of cricket. There's a place for all types in our team".

Yeah right mate, just don't be letting anyone in you didn't go to school with.

The English used to boast that they penetrated and neutered every network the Germans tried to establish in the UK during the war. However if that was true it had nothing to do with Fleming's perverted fantasies and everything to do with Enigma . The work of the Polish cryptographers was later supplemented by Alan Turing at Bletchley Park one of the original designers of the machine we are all sitting in front of.

I reckon the Guardian gives the game away. You'll notice the torturing Germans bizzo continued after the war ended:

" The centre, which was housed in a row of mansions in one of London's most affluent neighbourhoods, was carefully concealed from the Red Cross, the papers show. It continued to operate for three years after the war, during which time a number of German civilians were also tortured." no 'ticking bombs in 1948.

Consider now "Scotty McCLELLAN" numero uno spieler and shill for BushCo. When he was getting cornered on CIA torture he piped up with this:
"MR. McCLELLAN: We're asking to do what is necessary to protect the American people in a way that is consistent with our laws and our treaty obligations. And that's what we --

Q Why does the CIA need an exemption from the military?

MR. McCLELLAN: David, let's talk about people that you're talking about who have been brought to justice and captured. You're talking about people like Khalid Shaykh Muhammad; people like Abu Zubaydah. "

So we're not talking about using toture as a means of extracting information. People say anything when they are in sufficient pain. This whole issue is about self righteous pricks who want to use torture to 'make the world right by punishing the guilty 'properly', teaming up with nasty nazis who want to punish opponents with torture so that it will leak out and put the fear of god into the sheeple.

C'mon guys you don't imagine the 'cruel apache' and 'callous commanche' were on the only side that made people die slowly and painfully during the native amerikan genocide do you?

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 12 2005 9:44 utc | 3

So by early next week Ahmad Chalabi will have finished his (pre) victory lap in front of the Cheney Administration, including an audience with big dick himself, side kick Rumsfleld, angeneiux Condi, and "igor" Hadley. Sure, he's under FBI investigation, and a barrage of criticism for the pre-war intellegence, but reports of his (fawning) reception at the Council on Foreign Relations, showed a man confident enough to be standing in a rowboat, with a powdered (&prefectly unmussed) wig crossing a Delaware River full of political icefloes. The man is tenacious if nothing else, and those in Washington must in some ways watch in envy at such an operator, a risk taker, back slapper and back stabber -- an ultimate interlocuter and juggler -- who manages to make all happy (enough). Which is why he's here in the first place, to get the job done in Iraq. Not unlike the Juan Cole(/Billmon) theory about how the Zarqawi (myth/entity) is useful to all interests, Chalabi, can also be seen through this prism of utility. The US would like to dis-engage militarily while preserving some vestages of victory. On several fronts the Cheney administration can claim success if it throws its full weight behind Chalabi1) Preservation of oil interests. Chalaibi, is now the oil minister, and has had some reputed effect in protecting the oil infrstructure from sabatoge. And while rhetorically anti- Syrian (anti-baath) he seems to have laid the groundwork for an Iraqi / Mediteranean pipeline project, which could placate Syrian hostility (toward Iraq) and greatly benifit potential export. He has also with typical duplicity, has simultaniously called for Iraqi oil wealth to remain in the hands of the Iraqi population, while at the same time being a strong advocate for privatization of those same Iraqi assets. The other issue at which the administration would dearly like to avoid is having Iraq fall into the hands of the secular forces, that would in any way cast all their blood and treasure into the service of a (Iranian) mullah bound theocracy. Here too Chalabi has made some interesting manuvers. Much of the credibility he has gained from the Sistani perspective is based upon the US raid on his compound during the Bremmer days -- from which he was able to claim that he was not in the pocket of the US, but was (through his Iranian linkage) looking out for Iraqi interests first. So he tied his influence and newfound populist image to the Shiite ticket and managed to win deputy vice-president, which has now morphed into the powerful oil-minister position. Recently, Chalabi has broken with the secular Shiite alliance, and has established his own non -- secular Shiite list. This would from the neo--con perspective, resolve the remaining overt face problems at issue -- a non--secular majority canadate sworn to privatization, with cards to deal out to both Iran and syria, and if he could just his hands on some Diebolt machines we'd have a real democracy in action.

[lifted to the frontpage - comment here - b.]

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 12 2005 10:29 utc | 4

I really don't know if we should worry to much about the re-arrangement of the deckchairs on the Titanic. I can remeber Ky and Thieu oh and Big Minh, he was bossfella for a few days on the strength of having a brother who was a general in the NVA.

Lets face it whatever internal ructions the assorted South Vietnamese Presidents managed to kick up once the US made the mistake of thinking it was about religion and sacked the Xtian president, nothing they did amounted to anything in the greater scheme of things. They all seemed to crush internal dissent at a similar rate and although slightly different people probably got imprisoned tortured and assassinated under each one it's unlikely there was any difference in number.

THe query I have about all this probably won't be effected by which boss is in power.

That is Iraq nationalised it's oilfields in the 1970's.

This was along with most other ME oil producers who had up until then been keeping the west running for peanuts. The USuk oil companies got upset but nothing happened because the concept of nationalisation was acceptable. Remember this was just after Harold Wilson nationalised everything in the UK that moved and if it didn't move he nationalised it till it did.

However the world is a different place in 2005 and if (sorry when) the oil fields get privatised in Iraq I doubt even if Saddam himself pulled one out of the hat and got his old gig back, that he could get the fields back.

I betcha it's against WTO or GATT rules nowadays. Does anyone know?

This is my belief about why all of this election and democracy carry-on. Why else even worry about it I mean it's pretty outta character for BushCo to try and follow thru on anything as airy fairy as democracy isn't it?

'Course if the privatisation is done by an elected government the Iraqis would have a snowball's chance of getting it back even if they could show it had been stolen by corruption.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 12 2005 11:41 utc | 5

We more have to worry about them destabilizing Syrian regime in hopes of overthrowing it - turns out Israel from to build an oil pipeline through Syria!!

And Hope that BYU Physicist's writings on 911 catch fire...

Goddamn JackAss Party hard at work driving things to the right - saw bit in paper today about them introducing bill requiring anyone leaking classified info. to lose their security clearance. Goddamn Bastards. That's close to an Official Secrets Act.

Posted by: jj | Nov 12 2005 21:27 utc | 6

Barroom Diatribe:

I find myself inexorably and inescapably persuaded that, not only do we currently face the greatest domestic political challenge of our lives, as a people and as a nation, we may now be confronting the most serious and fateful crisis of governance that our democratic republic, the United States of America, has faced since the outbreak of The Civil War.

The threat to the present and future functioning of our democracy posed by the majority Republican coalition in power, conjoined with the already-realised and mounting threat to global peace posed by the Neo-Conservative "cabal" at the helm of US military and foreign policy, "renders quaint" (to borrow a phrase) our habitual schisms and affiliations across the entire political spectrum. So radical and so detrimental to our democratic institutions and to peace at home and abroad are these pariahs in power, that pure land progressives must link with progressive realists, must link with working-class democrats, must link with corporate-toady democrats, must link with establishment republicans, and so on, to oust and repudiate and villify these usurpers and their monstrous philosophies. Only the collective and cooperative will of just this sort of broadly-allied coalition can deliver the defeat, the reversal, and the universal condemnation that these enemies of the people, these enemies of peace must suffer.

Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 12 2005 21:54 utc | 7

Two will get one that this death occurred in a hotel in Jordan. The plot thickens!

" DUBAI - Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's deputy, Izzat Ibrahim, has died, Al Arabiya satellite television quoted a Baath party statement as saying."


"The Al Arabiya correspondent quoted the Baath party statement as saying Ibrahim died at 2am on Friday (12.00pm NZT). The correspondent said the statement did not indicate that he had died in a military clash or been killed."

"It can be said he died of natural causes," Arabiya's correspondent said, adding that Ibrahim probably died in Iraq. "

@manonfyre absolutely spot cross factional solidarity is required right now. Everything that implies; which not only means the other mugs have to stop emphasisng the differences rather than the commonalities.

WE have to do the same.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 12 2005 22:27 utc | 8

Couldn't agree more, Manonfyre, at least w/yr. first paragraph. I just put together the bit from Capitol Hill Blue 2 of us linked in last two days - Repug memo circulating suggesting staging another "terror" attack on "US" soil to inc. georgie's ratings - w/gen. franks comment a few yrs. ago that if they staged another one, they impose martial law. From that viewpoint, it could happen in a week or so. Though personally, i don't think they're entirely ready to do that. Perhaps they'd just have Mossad do a subway bombing to accelerate passage of nec. legal framework & insure their latest Christo-Fascist scotus nominee gets passed by the senate.

That makes the best case I can think of for NYT avenging their WMD disgrace by running BYU Physicist's findings re 911, we discussed last night, on Sun. Front Page. Perhaps factions of elite are ready to run w/that in last ditch effort to head off Syrian nightmare NeoNuts are busy implementing, and maintain Republic at home.

Re yr. 2nd paragraph, I found this on Americablog thread, and thght. you might enjoy it:

My lifelong Republican grandad just found out that veterans will not have the chance this year to present testimony before the joint houses of Congress, as has traditionally been done since the 50's.

He's BEYOND PISSED - and his fellow veterans in their small Tennessee town can't believe it either. It takes a lot to get the old geezers riled up sometimes (I say that with the greatest love) but I believe this is the last straw for my grandad - he declared to me over the phone yesterday that he'd never vote for another Republican - ever! I'm so proud. Sadly, these folk may not live to ever vote again. Wonder if they can be moved to support impeachment?

Posted by: jj | Nov 12 2005 22:41 utc | 9

I don't think the situation is that bad at all in the USA at the present time. I think it is somewhere around bottom middle. Sometimes desperate clinging together can hamper progress. The more disparity, probably the more the strong political mutations will arise. And they will. Always tweak your fear levels if possible, since that is what they want. There is so much bluff. Don't fall for it.

This is interesting:

More and more Westerners are seeing the fish, fowl, and wild animals around them as something to cherish rather than something to eat.
A Colorado State University study of values concerning wildlife indicates a major shift from traditional beliefs that "wildlife is mainly for human use" toward one in which animals should be protected as "part of our extended family".

Kind of St. Francis of Assisiish, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: jm | Nov 12 2005 22:58 utc | 10

The study took place in 19 Western states. A definite trend.

Posted by: jm | Nov 12 2005 23:10 utc | 11

St. Francis of Assisiish...

To stretch your topic a little jm, there has been some chatter on some of the more esoteric (ET) sites that our human brain patterns are being naturally altered by forces beyond our ken or our control.

I know most of us (so far) don't cotton to this kind of stuff, but hey as the evidence mounts you have to either deny or acknowledge.

Now I personally for some time now, have cherished wildlife; I don't hunt but then I do eat meat. I think a lot of us agree that life is a beautiful thing no matter if it is low or high. In fact it now appears that some of the "high" life is arrogant enough to disrespect the lower forms, but, as I said, that is changing whether you like it or not.

Looking forward to that change myself. My idealism says it is inevitable.

Posted by: rapt | Nov 13 2005 0:04 utc | 12

Jeez, one never saw this coming ... 18 months ago ...

U.S. 'can't maintain Iraq troop levels'
UPI Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Nov. 11 (UPI) -- Unless the Bush administration significantly cuts American troop levels in Iraq next year, the U.S. military's roughly 140,000-strong presence there will become a detriment to America's national security, according to a report released this week.

"It has become clear that if we still have 140,000 ground troops in Iraq a year from now, we will destroy the all-volunteer army," said the a report written by the center's Lawrence Korb and Brian Katulis. Korb served as assistant secretary of defense under President Ronald Reagan.

The United States must reduce troop levels in Iraq, ideally with 80,000 leaving the country in 2006 and most of the rest leaving by the end of 2007, to avoid losing a broader "struggle against violent extremists" that goes beyond Iraq, the report says...

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 13 2005 1:28 utc | 13

Hmmm, I've long thought that we're all shepherds and we should stop fouling our beautiful blue nest before it does us in. I came to this conclusion through education and observation, not as a result of "something" miraculously playing with the circuits in my 3lb universe. Evidence? Deny.

Posted by: gmac | Nov 13 2005 1:33 utc | 14

From back in April 2004 ...

How many have gone to war?

... After Vietnam, the Pentagon reorganized the military so that it can't fight a big ground war without mobilizing the reserves. The idea was to block the president from waging a war without the full support of the American heartland. Active-duty Army units now rely on reserve units to perform vital functions in a major mobilization.

But the reserves are lagging the farthest behind in meeting their recruitment goals. The long deployments may have been particularly shocking for the troops, many of whom simply did not think they were signing up for this. The grind is wearing the reserves down, and fewer people are willing to sign up for it now. The Army Reserve's chief, Lt. Gen. James Helmly, wrote in a memo to Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker late last year that the stress meant the Army Reserve was "degenerating into a 'broken' force."

Pike, from, said the situation for the reserves is dire. "The guard is broken and cannot be fixed," Pike said. "I don't think anybody would voluntarily, of their own volition, join the National Guard. I think they will have to come up with a new mission statement for the thing."

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 13 2005 1:38 utc | 15

hands across the water by artifice:

"The wheels are coming off the bus," a giddy Shallow Throat said. "Now that the Bush Administration is imploding from within, it's time for those of us on the outside to set more political charges. . .

"In short, we're at the shores of Lake Critical Mass, my friend -- but not quite to the Promised Land. Tell your liberal Dem colleagues to ratchet up the pressure and join us traditional conservatives in pushing this crew off the political cliff. If we each work our respective constituencies with intelligence and determination, the long nightmare will soon be over. . .

"To change metaphors, the Bush Administration is like a Great White Shark beached right now, mostly by its own actions. In such a position, it's extremely vulnerable, but in order to ensure that it doesn't escape at the next HardRight tide, you've got to tie it up tightly. You've got to organize the various teams so that everyone knows how and where to throw the ropes over the carcass, where the nodal points of weakness are.

"If everyone's merely running around shouting and cheering, you'll just get your ropes all tangled up and little will be accomplished, except to make everyone temporarily feel good. We don't want to feel good, we want to get this batch of crooks and liars and power-hungry zealots out of the peoples' White House. Then we can set about the long process of undoing years of Bush&Co. damage, and start the restoration process. . .


"Which translates into: They will do anything, ANYTHING, to stave off their impending loss of power. If they feel they have to totally shift the focus, to distract the public from the Administration's self-created woes, they will act accordingly; launch an attack on another country; look the other way again as a large-scale terrorist attack (or public health threat) takes place inside the United States; kick their slime-machine into high gear against anyone who criticizes them. In short, don't take your eyes off the Busheviks for a second; they're wounded, cornered animals ready to do anything to strike out and escape the political noose -- and, not incidentally, likely criminal prosecutions down the line."

from, "Shallow Throat":
Ratchet It Up, Take 'Em Down

Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 13 2005 1:53 utc | 16

Excuse my lack of background on this, but is "Shallow Throat" a B-W- alter ego of some sort, or somebody who actually knows something?

Posted by: jj | Nov 13 2005 2:13 utc | 17

i wish i could feel some hope in the woes of this criminal administration but i believe they will do anything to retain on to their power in a way few other elites have - we have joked here about their endtimers & their rapture but i am deeply convinced we have in face - not the cold hardthinking capitalists of my comrade slothrops models but a trul mad group of fanatics not unlike those that 'sheltered' in the bunker in berlin in april 1945

i feel they wish to do us harm & to do even greater harm to their own country

this is not the moment for optimism but of struggle fought decisively, locally & globally

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 13 2005 2:25 utc | 18


Let's not, while we're organizing Repug
overthrow, forget the Doha trade rounds,
and the Neo-Con's hippo-in-the-bathtub
attempts to "kill the 3rd world in order
to save them" for Corporate consumerism.

We should struggle to set TRQ's on all
world trade. Global surpluses should be
smoothly fed into global shortages, only
as commodity price inflation allows it,
not to pound indigenous bones to powder
by wholesale abandonment of tariffs.

Trade isn't an MBA think-tank exercise.
Despite the rosey macro number to do so,
any potential '$300B' in increased trade
would be rendered out of the corpses of
the laborers, and sewn into skin purses
for the world's elites, sans taxation.

Fewer words?

Neo's, pay your (*&%'g tipping fees!!

World commodities futures hedging must be
restricted just to suppliers, and buyers
capable of taking the physical delivery.
Forced internal migration of displaced
labor to internment camps by deliberate
tariff collapse is a Neo *abomination*!

If you don't think so, imagine the poor
New Orleans emergency response workers,
who are being told their wages are being
cut to $8.86 an hour, after Bush threw
out prevailing wages, which, after all,
is a tariff against cheap migrant labor.

What if we could outsource Fed government
to India, wholesale, for $12 an hour FTE?!
That would save US $500B in a single year!
A whole new renaissance for America, 2008.
It's not Red Army vers White Army, dudes.
jm had it right. Local resistance cells.
Join with the world's campesanos in arms.
Government must serve the people who pay.

OK, now I'm rambling. Watch Doha closely.

Posted by: tante aime | Nov 13 2005 3:21 utc | 19

For those Americans whose hope is blighted by
Madison Avenue and Detroit, and a White House
in thrall to the Big Oil mob, there's this:

And this:

And this:

Simply put, a Senate/House vote for ANWR,
means *we will not be re-electing you*. A
vote to ignore the Kyoto Protocols means
*we will not be re-electing you*. Changes
to Clean Air and lowering vehicle mileage
means *we will not be re-electing you*!

Posted by: wnbio&12 | Nov 13 2005 3:40 utc | 20

Gen. Karpinski is on booktv.(org) now. She's Excellent. Will be replayed twice tomorrow(Sun).

Posted by: jj | Nov 13 2005 4:06 utc | 21

Janis Karpinski
Former Commander, Abu Ghraib Prison, Iraq

Interview by Leon Worden
Signal Multimedia Editor

Sunday, November 13, 2005
(Television interview conducted November 4, 2005)

"Newsmaker of the Week" is presented by the SCV Press Club and Comcast, and hosted by Signal Multimedia Editor Leon Worden. The program premieres every Wednesday at 9:30 p.m. on SCVTV Channel 20, repeating Sundays at 8:30 a.m.

This week's newsmaker is Janis Karpinski, former commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade and detention operations in Iraq, including Abu Ghraib prison during the period of detainee abuse. Questions are paraphrased; answers are presented in full. (transcript follows)(Link)

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 13 2005 4:21 utc | 22

So, Gen. Karpinski is demoted, while shrubby is president. Is this some sick role reversal? What planet is this...It's so bizarre watching her, w/images of him in the back of yr. head...

Meanwhile, at least in Italy, they know how to Protest. You gonna cut the Arts, here...

Opera downsizes as Italy's divas go on hunger strike Link

Posted by: jj | Nov 13 2005 4:39 utc | 23

Blair faces new inquiry into Iraq war

MPs organising the campaign to impeach Tony Blair believe they have enough support to force a highly damaging Commons investigation into the Prime Minister’s pre-war conduct

An organiser of the impeachment campaign told the Sunday Herald : “We have been promised 200 signatures and are now hopeful this process will go ahead as it should have last year. There will be a vote and an investigation will be set up. Does this have the potential to finish Tony Blair? Yes it does.”

Posted by: annie | Nov 13 2005 6:32 utc | 24

Bush is finished. They never would have let him deliver that asinine Veteran's Day speech if they intended to save him. They are continuing to let him self destruct and they probably are organizing the next administration now.

Cheney's people are probably just desperately trying to stay out of prison. I think they are being dangled mercilessly by the puppeteers and don't know what the bosses have in store for them. Loyalties are never certain in these circles. The elites are in dicey territory now because the public is getting hip even if it is in tiny increments. They have to be careful.

The foot on the neck of the poor came off this week with the budget decision. This will probably continue. Balance will probably soon return to the government as the attempt at one party takeover has failed gloriously. The saving of the Alaskan wildlife refuge is the start of a sensible environmental policy.

The USA takeover of the world ain't gonna happen. I think the next great happening in this country will be a major repair job on our internal breakdowns. We will be cutting the fat. You think you are suffering now. Just wait until the five toilets per capita are cut back to three.

Posted by: jm | Nov 13 2005 7:02 utc | 25

Cheney's people are probably just desperately trying to stay out of prison yep

Libby May Have Tried to Mask Cheney's Role ya think? here's the new wapo

Posted by: annie | Nov 13 2005 7:18 utc | 26

A Colorado State University study of values concerning wildlife indicates a major shift from traditional beliefs that "wildlife is mainly for human use" toward one in which animals should be protected as "part of our extended family".

Bullshit. What this indicates is that the final string has been cut between the public and their understanding of where their food comes from. I don't see any great outcry against factory farms or fishing the oceans dry, or species extinction, for that matter. Just don't eat Bambi. Biotech should be elated, GM Frankenfood will save us. Fuck species diversity--we only need 18 patented and fully owned species, spread all over the planet, like a huge DNA quilt, to feed us. Halleluyah! I bet this study was underwritten by Ted Turner, so he could buy up more of the West for corporate Buffalo farms. If you don't see it it doesn't exist. Remember, it is more important what they don't write about, than what they trumpet.

On a similar vein, I would like to praise three excellent programs on PBS this past week. First, Independent Lens ran an program entitled "The Last Cowboy", which touches on topics like those addressed above.

Second, Frontline ran a very informative program about the intricacies of the Abortion struggle that few of my pro-choice friends were up to speed on. Helps one appreciate why the Donkey's positions are so bad.

Third, Now ran a fantastic program on the current manipulated Oil supply shortage--great investigative reporting of a very complex subject. It could have been slightly better contextualized and the link betweeen industry consolidation (under Clinton), California four years ago, and the present situation made more clear, but that is a picayune complaint. Interestingly, one of the "good guys" of this story ends up being Pat Robertson--who knew? There also needs to be continued reporting about our actual refining capacity (large refineries have expanded and smaller unprofitable refineries have been shuttered), regional fuel standards and their justifications and impacts, and, most especially, the effect of oligopolies on competition. Nobody talks about how smaller competitors were forced out during the late eighties and nineties by lack of margins. Nor did anyone speak up then and say that companies should be guaranteed a reasonable profit in order to preserve conditions of perfect economic competition, and prevent conditions like those that currently exist, where market manipulation is easy.

When all the oil companies (and Mike Ruppert) are proclaiming Peak Oil, and Iraq's oil is kept off the market, and record profits are being made, well, it sort of makes you wonder, "cui bono?" Doubtless, Peak Oil will arrive eventually, but I doubt it is here, in any structural way, just yet.

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 13 2005 7:20 utc | 27

I posted the changed attitude towards animals because of the subtle changes it represents. These are red states with gun toting burly hunters. But they realize the logic. What good will their 22's do them if the animals are gone? If the forests that hide them are stripped? For a meat eater there is nothing in the world as tasty as fresh killed elk. And the realization that harmony with the earth might be necessary is in the air.

But even more important is the growing power of communities filled with small people who care about their immediate environment. As the top tumbles, and it will now because it's overweighted, the bottom is ready to rebuild. I know from local politics in my area that this is true. It might take more time than we hope and more struggle, but the change is in the wind.

When Wal Mart, who just announced that it will get 20% of its energy from renewable sources, you can be sure that the shift is coming. The oil companies are making their last grab, but I think many others have already moved on to prepare for the big debut of renewables.
I still think we will see the rise of the hemp industry as well. The next years will bring a lot of innovation. The days of large geographic empires seem to be over. They are too hard to maintain. Resources are dwindling and we have to conserve and develop new ways to survive.

We, as a species, have no choice. Survival dictates.

Posted by: jm | Nov 13 2005 7:20 utc | 28

BTW, I think the record profits are just the indication of the demise. The biggest problem is the change in infrastructure that will be required but there is all kinds of bucks to be made there too.

There is also a lot going on that we don't know about. Probably some kind of gradual transition is ahead.

Posted by: jm | Nov 13 2005 7:27 utc | 29


I agree that we need to change as a species, but I respectfully disagree that most people in Red States (and I have lived in them) have a clue how their food is produced. Sure, all of my friends are aware--and still eat predominately corporate farmed food--but the vast majority, who I have worked blue collar jobs with, are ignorant and just want the cheapest shit they can get. That is why Walmart keeps gowing.

Walmart and renewable resources? Well, is hydro, what with all the destructive dams out West considered renewable? I do agree that Wind is poised to take off in the midwest. I would be interested in knowing what the Walton family has invested in lately. Enron was the biggest purveyor of wind in this hemisphere before their troubles; did they have to sell off, and to whom?

Hemp? Next years? Well, it depends on your definition of "next years." We aint gonna be growing hemp in this country in the next five years, especially with our "new and improved" judiciary to rule on legalities.

Major corporations will do everything in their power to block what they don't own or control the profit stream from. Hmmm...maybe they are developing a strand of GM hemp.

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 13 2005 7:41 utc | 30

"Just Another Open One"

A fitting bar theme...

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 13 2005 7:44 utc | 31


Those farts on the judiciary could be dead tomorrow. You never know.

When I mention an interesting positive development, I am in no way suggesting that it will catch on immediately and make a big difference. It's merely a sign.

You know my often mentioned attitude toward corporate control and our continued support of them. That won't change.
However, there are somewhat ethical ones as well. If corruption, and what corruption means is that the carrier of it is spoiled and can no longer function... if it inhibits their vitality they will turn away from those practices. All of this remains to be seen and can't be predicted for certain. Life is full of surprises and unexpected twists and turns, both good and bad. It's physics and concrete reality.

It's impossible for me to believe, just from simple observation, that we are trying to become extinct. We will mutate and evolve like all those before us, unless something really unexpected happens to wipe us out. And we naturally move toward or create abundant habitats.
Corporations will have to evolve too.

Posted by: jm | Nov 13 2005 7:56 utc | 32

@jm, such a dreamer!! All change isn't evolution - there's also Devolution, and simply mutation. The question should be what the citizens do to fight corporate power. That's where the hope is - left to their own devices, as they are now, unimaginable horror will continue to unfold. Also how we fight for tax-exemptions/deductions etc. to build what we need locally. Since they've decided that manufacturing is unprofitable, maybe we need to just start new corporations & manufacture what we need under Chartered Non-Profits...after all, they can hardly object, since they've declare it non-profitable...

@Malooga, to address two things you raised. Wonderful news on one front, Ghastly on the other.

On the energy front - if you've ever spent much time in the Plains, you know it blows & blows. I've been waiting for several yrs. for them to harness this, esp. as ag. is becoming so difficult. Well, great news in last 2 wks from an evolving site I visit daily. Remember those Godawful "Reservations" Indians were consigned to in the middle of nowhere??? Welll.......the middle of nowhere has wind all the, they're moving beyond the toxic stew of uranium & gambling into wind generation.

Native Wind wants to turn the reservations around by making them centers of wind power development. Most reservation areas in the western and mountain states have some amount of wind power potential. But it turns out that some of the richest areas for wind power can be found on reservation territories in the northern plains states: twenty reservation locations have a combined potential of around 300 gigawatts of wind power.

The Native Wind project is bringing together wind energy experts and tribal leaders to work out ways to build wind farms on tribal lands. Two wind facilities have already been built -- a 750kW turbine at the Rosebud Sioux Indian Reservation and another at the Fort Berthold reservation in North Dakota -- and two more should be completed by the end of this year. Fort Berthold alone is believed to have over 17 gigawatts of wind power potential. In 2006, the Rosebud location will be expanded into a 30MW wind farm, and another 80MW of wind farms are in development.

Next week will see the Native Renewables Energy Summit (PDF) in Denver, Colorado. Among the questions the conference will tackle: should Native American tribes, as sovereign nations, sign on to the Kyoto treaty?
Native Wind

Beyond that, you only think you want to know what the Waltons are investing in...Here's one dimension. Anybody that rich, who gives suppliers something like a twenty second delivery window, is poised to be supremely Dangerous. Expect your children/grand-children to be attending McWalton Schools. They're pouring their tax-deductible bucks into opposing public schools.

Giving, Wal-Mart style

While assorted members of the Walton family have established their own philanthropic projects, the Walton Family Foundation and the Wal-Mart Foundations are the flagship foundations. The Walton Family Foundation already gives out more than $100 million a year -- much of it to opponents of public school education -- and it may receive as much as an additional $20 billion when Helen Walton, the family matriarch, leaves this mortal coil. Helen Walton, who currently runs the foundation created by her husband Sam Walton, is in her mid-eighties and her health has declined since being involved in an auto accident five years ago. If the Walton Family Foundation does wind up with the lion's share of her holdings, it will propel it from being the largest foundation in its home state of Arkansas, to the biggest in the world.

Despite donations by Helen Walton to Planned Parenthood, and $5 million for the establishment of Walton Arts Center near the university campus in Fayetteville, Arkansas, the Walton family has been a champion of educational causes, specializing in financing alternatives to public education. It has supported the establishment of charter schools and private school choice. "It gave a string of grants totaling nearly $3 million to the national Knowledge is Power Program, which recruits teachers to create public college prep charter schools in underserved communities," Minter reported. "The gifts included donations to 21 such schools around the country."

Steve Mancini, a spokesperson for the Knowledge is Power Program said that "The Walton family, and particularly John Walton, is building a kind of quiet revolution in public education."

"The importance of the Waltons is not how much money they are giving now, but how much money they will be giving in a few years and where the money will be going," the National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy's report states. According to the report, "almost all political contributions made by Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Political Action Committee for Responsive Government, and individual family members are directed toward Republican candidates for public office or Republican political committees. Of $2.1 million given in 2004, $1.6 went to the GOP, while less than $500,000 went to Democrats.Philanthropy the Wal-Mart way

Posted by: jj | Nov 13 2005 8:34 utc | 33


I think the record profits are just the indication of the demise.

Sounds too much like the administrations spin on Iraq. But, yes, I agree things are always changing. Most people aren't trying to become extinct, they are ignorant and disempowered, and are merely trying to survive. It is the system of endless growth and industrialization which we have been following for 600 years which is killing us. It's very hard, but not impossible to change this. Those that are in power are also generally ignorant of larger trends and motivated by greed. Let's face it, having what most of us here would consider infinite amounts of money to enjoy oneself with is quite seductive.

@jj- The NativeWind story is very exciting. I think I will do a story on it.

Prediction: If Bliar really is investigated and goes down, then Bush will also fall.

Posted by: Malooga | Nov 13 2005 9:00 utc | 34

The growth of the last 600 has been too fast and lacking foresight. It isn't that hard. It will change automatically. We just have to get with it. The corporations are our collective creation to feed our desire. All of us. It does no good to fear and hate them. Just saddle them, bridle them, and snap the reins. They can't exist without us. People are too lazy. Start by thinking about everything you consume and control it from that point. jj mentioned some very interesting approaches. They are already weakening from their massive maintenance and cancerous condition. The next years are going to prove mighty fascinating as many of them fold. How fitting if the wheel came back around to Native Americans. If "windfalls" come their way, it will be interesting to see how they handle it.

Posted by: jm | Nov 13 2005 9:24 utc | 35

U.S. Orders College to Drop Fellowships For Minorities

Associated Press
Saturday, November 12, 2005; Page A14

CARBONDALE, Ill., Nov. 11 -- Federal prosecutors are threatening to sue Southern Illinois University over three scholarship programs aimed at women and minorities, calling them discriminatory.

SIU "has engaged in a pattern or practice of intentional discrimination against whites, non-preferred minorities and males," the Justice Department said in a letter, a copy of which was obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times...

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 13 2005 17:49 utc | 36

ANWR dodges a bullet once again, but there is still plenty of insatiable Republican looting left in the pending House Budget Bill:

Bill Would Open Public Lands

Posted by: manonfyre | Nov 13 2005 18:44 utc | 37

Will Commonism eventually win out over Feralism?

Posted by: pb | Nov 13 2005 20:12 utc | 38

That guy IS drunk.

Posted by: b | Nov 13 2005 20:36 utc | 39

John Edwards OpEd in todays WaPo is kind of weird. Edwards says:

Almost three years ago we went into Iraq to remove what we were told -- and what many of us believed and argued -- was a threat to America. But in fact we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction when our forces invaded Iraq in 2003. The intelligence was deeply flawed and, in some cases, manipulated to fit a political agenda.

It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for that mistake.

The first "line of defense should be, legitimate, that the vote was NOT about war, but about pressure on Saddam to let inspctors in.

According to the constitution only Congress can declare war. That resolution did not do so. So why is Edwards taking the second defense line along "the intelligence we were presented was wrong or faked"?

Congress has not declared war for some 60 years(?), but supported every war that was launched by the US.

I assume this is a general scheme congress politicians use to steel themselfs away from the responsibility.

But then again that doesn´t fit Edwards line of defense.

Any ideas?

Posted by: b | Nov 13 2005 23:04 utc | 40

According to the constitution only Congress can declare war. That resolution did not do so.

Well, no. See John Yoo, The Continuation of Politics by Other Means: The Original Understanding of War Powers, 84 Calif. L. Rev. 167 (1996). He maps out the case history.

As for why Edwards says what he says: he was foold. That's surely complete bullshit, and I'm not sure how far the excuse will go w/ voters.

In any case, good for Edwards to say this:

First, we need to remove the image of an imperialist America from the landscape of Iraq. American contractors who have taken unfair advantage of the turmoil in Iraq need to leave Iraq. If that means Halliburton subsidiary KBR, then KBR should go. Such departures, and the return of the work to Iraqi businesses, would be a real statement about our hopes for the new nation.

We also need to show Iraq and the world that we will not stay there forever.

Posted by: slothrop | Nov 13 2005 23:57 utc | 41

This is how we become Argentina. Money spent. Pensions go poof. This is from a biz writer at the Fox Worldcon News that I consider pretty good:

Bankrupt auto parts giant Delphi is squeezing its workers but was very kind to its former chief executive.
Photo: AP

November 14, 2005 -- WHAT'S taking place these days in the U.S. auto industry is simply astonishing.
After years and even decades of self-destruction in slow motion, the ruination of the industry has abruptly shifted into overdrive.

Like a scene out of a Buster Keaton silent movie, the wheels and fenders of Detroit's free-wheeling jalopy have suddenly begun popping off in all directions.

By last week the situation for General Motors had become so desperate that speculation swirled regarding the odds that the company might soon be forced to file for outright bankruptcy, a move that would have seemed unthinkable only a few weeks ago.

For the record, GM officials insist that no such move is even being contemplated. But the Detroit Free Press reported late last week that Bank of America is now advising investors that a Chapter 11 filing by GM is "inevitable" though not necessarily immediate.

We'll turn in a minute to the details of the mess in which GM now finds itself — in large part as a consequence of having become entangled with Wall Street in a bit of misguided financial engineering six years ago.

For now it is enough to know that the financial alchemy in question — cooked up for GM by the folks at Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch in 1999 — has already led to the bankruptcy collapse of GM's largest parts supplier, Delphi Corp., and is now threatening to drag down the world's largest automaker as well.

The stakes in this mess are huge.

In its own bankruptcy filing, which took place just last month, Delphi Corp. is now trying to waltz away from $19 billion of balance sheet debt and other liabilities.

And a bankruptcy filing by GM could add anywhere from $40 billion to an unfathomable $445 billion more to the pot.

Such a filing would dwarf the $103 billion bankruptcy collapse of WorldCom Inc. three years ago, the largest such failure on record. And like a financial version of Hurricane Katrina — which the experts likewise warned was coming but which everyone else pretty much ignored until it was too late — the storm surge from a GM bankruptcy would spread out tsunami-like from the Midwest until it reached into every nook and cranny of the economy.

It seems utterly bizarre to be worrying over the threatened bankruptcy of the largest manufacturing company in the U.S. at a time when the economy is growing at a rate of nearly 4 percent annually, and when corporate profits are rising while unemployment remains stable at a manageable 5percent.

BUT if the public has been caught off-guard by all this, it is probably because the rest of the country has long since tuned out the ceaseless, decades-long squabbling that has gone on between the CEOs and union bosses of Motown.

Historically, there has been plenty of blame to be shared by everyone in this quarrel.

But this time around the fault lies squarely with the greedy, cosseted suits of GM and Delphi.

Like Siamese twins who have grown up to hate each other, the two groups have been conjoined since birth by a fatally flawed scheme to spin off GM's parts division, via an IPO, and turn it into the separate and freestanding company that is now known as Delphi Corp.

The basic idea behind the spin-off was for the automaker to cash in on Wall Street's insatiable demand for IPOs. But there was a second purpose as well: to help the automaker begin to shed the biggest and most rapidly growing financial problem it faced — some $42 billion of unfunded post-retirement health and pension obligations for its employees, which GM was paying for day-to-day out of general corporate revenues.

By spinning off Delphi as a separate company, GM could move some $4.5 billion of those debts off its balance sheet and onto Delphi's, thereby beginning to pare away the costs that foreign automakers (whose employees enjoyed elaborate government-funded health and retirement packages) didn't face.

That at least was the theory. In reality, GM never got rid of the obligations because to make the IPO attractive to investors, as well as gain the support of the unions whose members would be switching employers in the deal, the company had to promise to pick up the pieces if Delphi itself failed to keep sending pension checks to its employees.

Like a bad penny that pledge has now returned six year's later to threaten GM's very survival. As a free-standing business, Delphi has produced few of the promised rewards of independence.

But Delphi has seen its own health and benefit obligations explode out of control, just like its former parent company.

By the start of this year, those obligations topped $20 billion, with the unfunded portion alone doubling to nearly $10 billion.

By the start of the year, the fellow who presided over all this at Delphi — a GM parts division lifer with the self-admiring name of J.T. Battenberg III — could see the handwriting on the wall.

Preparing to cash in his chips, he announced in early February that he would step down and retire as chairman and CEO once a successor could be found.

By June he was gone, leaving behind a company in chaos, with a collapsing stock price, soaring losses, and two widening federal investigations (one civil, the other criminal) into evidence of accounting fraud that surfaced just before he announced his retirement.

But don't cry for J.T. Battenberg III, because he'll do fine in retirement, receiving more than $1.7 million annually through a company-financed pension plan set up specially for himself and a handful of Delphi's other top executives.

By contrast, the company's U.S.-based hourly workers, some 63,000 in number, will be lucky if their own retirements allow for much more than eating cat food from a can.

THAT is because Bat tenberg's shoot-the- wounded successor, one Robert S. ("Steve") Miller, whose previous achievements as a corporate fixer-upper include shepherding Bethlehem Steel into bankruptcy, took over in July and within 60 days had done the same for Delphi.

As a bankrupt company, Delphi is now trying to push its unfunded pension nightmare, which has ballooned by another $2 billion since January and now totals more than $12 billion, back on GM

For its part, GM is frantically trying to dodge the bullet by insisting that the U.S. Pension Benefit Guarantee Corp step in and take over. And since there are plenty of reasons to think the PBGC will resist, the employees themselves could wind up with nothing while dueling lawyers fight it out in court.

Meanwhile, Shoot-the-Wounded Steve has unfurled his plan for bringing Delphi back from the brink and heading off outright liquidation: a new contract with the rank-and-file in which they agree to (A) an average 60 percent cut in pay, to a starting wage of barely $9 per hour, as well as (B) the elimination of all overtime, (C) the phase-out of all retirement plans, (D) a health-benefit package that begins with a family deductible of $1,800 per year, and various other draconian terms.

One look at that and Delphi's unions are now talking strike. And though a work stoppage will certainly finish off Delphi, thereby wiping out the very jobs the unions want to protect, it could easily cost GM billions, pushing it into bankruptcy as well since Delphi is the company's largest supplier of parts.

Why this whole situation was allowed to get so out of hand in the first place is a topic for another day.

The larger question, of course, is what does this do to American leadership and prestige around the world when the fate of the mightiest economy on earth rests on the outcome of a fight between the executives and shop-floor workers of a six-year-old, bankrupt company that Wall Street had no business creating in the first place.

Meanwhile, let's all hope that cooler heads prevail and that a strike, which would have calamitious consequences, doesn't happen.

In another column that I saw last week the writer pointed out that the board of GM has plenty of experience with crashing and burning companies, they're the pilots that start the nose dive. One GM board member is the former head of Compaq, the pc company that was diving fast till it was taken over by Carly the media star at HP. Strap on thos seat belts and hold on Oldsmobile riders.

Posted by: christofay | Nov 14 2005 7:31 utc | 42

article above from Monday's NYPost which is good for a couple of biz writers.

Posted by: christofay | Nov 14 2005 7:32 utc | 43


follow the link to hear what the blind cleric Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman; his lawyer, Lynne Stewart; and a translator, Mohammed Yousry have to say about... who else, Patrick fitzgerald

Posted by: annie | Nov 14 2005 7:39 utc | 44


Posted by: annie | Nov 14 2005 7:41 utc | 45

Shuffling Toward Revolution, by >Digbyan insightful look at the current political climate through the prism of the 60s. The chickenhawk complaint the world is forced to endure as a generational lament.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 14 2005 10:06 utc | 46

@christofay - what's good for GM is good for America. If GM goes bankrupt ...

Posted by: b | Nov 14 2005 10:47 utc | 47

Two pieces from the same NYT page:

Jordan Arrests Iraqi Woman in Hotel Blasts

Jordanian security officials on Sunday announced the arrest of an Iraqi woman they said was closely linked to the terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as a fourth bomber in the Amman hotel attacks. They also broadcast a taped confession showing her wearing a translucent explosive belt packed with ball bearings, in which she described how she had tried unsuccessfully to blow herself up.

Heavy Hand of the Secret Police Impeding Reform in Arab World

In Jordan, one of the region's most liberal countries, the intelligence agencies vet the appointment of every university professor, ambassador and important editor. The mukhabarat eavesdrops with the help of evidently thousands of Jordanians on its payroll, similar to the informant networks in the Soviet bloc.

The secret police chiefs live above the law. The last head of the Jordanian mukhabarat routinely overruled the smoking ban on Royal Jordanian Airways, lighting up as he pleased. No one dared challenge him.

The State Department's annual human rights report, unusually critical of a staunch ally, particularly one that offers widespread cooperation on terrorism issues, said the lack of accountability within the mukhabarat and the police resulted "in a climate of impunity" and underscored "significant restrictions on freedom of speech, press, assembly and association." It said the agents "sometimes abuse detainees physically and verbally" and "allegedly also use torture."

And that women in the first article did "confess" ...

Posted by: b | Nov 14 2005 12:13 utc | 48

Kuwait's biggest field starts to run out of oil

It was an incredible revelation last week that the second largest oil field in the world is exhausted and past its peak output. Yet that is what the Kuwait Oil Company revealed about its Burgan field.

The peak output of the Burgan oil field will now be around 1.7 million barrels per day, and not the two million barrels per day forecast for the rest of the field's 30 to 40 years of life, Chairman Farouk Al Zanki told Bloomberg.

He said that engineers had tried to maintain 1.9 million barrels per day but that 1.7 million is the optimum rate. Kuwait will now spend some $3 million a year for the next year to boost output and exports from other fields.

However, it is surely a landmark moment when the world's second largest oil field begins to run dry. For Burgan has been pumping oil for almost 60 years and accounts for more than half of Kuwait's proven oil reserves. This is also not what forecasters are currently assuming.

Posted by: b | Nov 14 2005 17:13 utc | 49

Hmmm. Now why wouldn't they want us to know this anymore? Are they planning to pour money into the country just before the 2006 elections?

Posted by: lonesomeG | Nov 14 2005 18:01 utc | 50

I was away for a very long weekend and not able to get online when the UK Parliament rejected the 90 day detainment without charge provision of Blair's anti terrorism law. I assumed there would be great discussion of that here at MOA as it was sold on CNN as a great loss for Blair.

I was so angry when I saw how the corporate media was spinning this that I nearly threw a shoe at my TV. un-freakin real thought I, the Brits have just passed a law that will allow them to hold people for 28 days in secret and without charge and the only thing the talking heads can go on about is how Blair has been weakened. These people really know how to frame an event.

So I wanted to find out exactly what is in this bill and found a few things.

The House of Lords is quite alright with 90 days detention and some guy named Carlile said he knew of two or three cases where police were not able to charge someone because they ran out of time.

two other parts are copied below from the Guardian

Other provisions also have drawn opposition. Many Labour lawmakers rebelled Wednesday over making it a crime to encourage terrorism and introduced an amendment that would require prosecutors to establish intent to win a conviction. The rebels lost by just one vote - 300 to 299.

Opposition lawmakers and Labour rebels also tried to remove a clause on making glorification of terrorism an offense, arguing it was too widely drawn. That provision also barely passed, 305-289 - far below the Labour Party's 66-seat edge over all the parties combined.

Back in 1973 when those pesky Irish were causing trouble, the original Prevention of Terrorism Act was passed which gave the police special powers to stop, search, arrest and detain terrorist suspects. Directed primarily against the Republican movement in Ireland, the PTA was responsible for a series of notorious judicial frame-ups, including the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six wrongly imprisoned for terrorist bombings in Britain.

This was replaced by new Terrorism Act that went into effect in 2001. The reference I provide will probably make some sneer but I am sure they are not off by much.

There is some pretty severe and far ranging stuff here. Something this bad did not work so what is the government's response? Create something worse yet!

Well, it is a great loss for Britain but not the way the talking heads mean.

Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 14 2005 20:56 utc | 51

@ b -
You are so right about the drinking man @ C&L. Is that affection or leaning on Laura at the end? Public display is surprising- PDA or PDD?

@lonesome G -
Curious. Sent query to a friend who is an academic economist, consults regularly with Fed. Will post reply, if any.

@Moon of Alabama proprietor and customers -
No richer mix of posts, links, infomation, passion, wit, thoughtful debate, occasional brawls, and peacemakers at any bar in web space or any corner in town, even for those of us sipping slow mojitos in the corner and lurking mostly. In the shadow, a nod of thanks and a round for all.

Posted by: small coke | Nov 14 2005 21:06 utc | 52

The article is extremely cursory, but what objection could 500 neuroscientists have against listening to the Dalai Lama speak... especially when he supports their work? Odd.

Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 14 2005 21:11 utc | 53

@Dan of Steele

It's more than coincidental the U.S., UK and Australia all bulldoze/sneak-in incredibly similar legislation, i.e. the Patriot Act and the 'new anti-terrorism laws'(UK/Aust) ... laws that weren't necessary against previous terrorist groups ? Nor necessary to defend against the 'evil empire, the former Soviet Union. What ever happened to the 'peace dividend' to be won from winning the Cold war ? Defeating the Soviets ?

Even though it's from the WSWS:

The Blair government's offensive against democratic rights is necessitated by its pro business agenda. Though it came to power promising to reverse the social devastation caused by 18 years of Conservative rule, Labour is unable to satisfy the aspirations of working people for decent wages and living standards. In order to impose the predatory demands of the global corporations at home and abroad, the Blair government must increasingly rely on state repression.

How to we get from corporate capitalism to something (what ?) that is more equitable, humane (morally defensible ?) and sustainable ?

Personally I sense weakness and smell the scent of fear in these laws ... is it fear of true democracy ?

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 14 2005 21:21 utc | 54

Adel is innocent. I don't mean he claims to be. I mean the military says so. It held a secret tribunal and ruled that he is not al Qaeda, not Taliban, not a terrorist. The whole thing was a mistake: The Pentagon paid $5,000 to a bounty hunter, and it got taken.

Floyd – The Body Snatchers

The military people reached this conclusion, and they wrote it down on a memo, and then they classified the memo and Adel went from the hearing room back to his prison cell. He is a prisoner today, eight months later. And these facts would still be a secret but for one thing: habeas corpus...

He has no visitors save his lawyers. He has no news in his native language, Uighur. He cannot speak to his wife, his children, his parents. When I first met him on July 15, in a grim place they call Camp Echo, his leg was chained to the floor. I brought photographs of his children to another visit, but I had to take them away again. They were "contraband," and he was forbidden to receive them from me...

In a wiser past, we tried Nazi war criminals in the sunlight. Summing up for the prosecution at Nuremberg, Robert Jackson said that "the future will never have to ask, with misgiving: 'What could the Nazis have said in their favor?' History will know that whatever could be said, they were allowed to say. . . . The extraordinary fairness of these hearings is an attribute of our strength."

The world has never doubted the judgment at Nuremberg. But no one will trust the work of these secret tribunals.

Posted by: DM | Nov 15 2005 9:22 utc | 55

Remember the drones Sad-damn Eye-Rack was suppose to have well...get what?

HONEYWELL is developing a micro flying spy drone -- that would be used for civilian law enforcement.

Look up Albert Wheelon and the Corona Program...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Nov 15 2005 11:05 utc | 56

So what ever happened to Billmon?

Posted by: pogo | Nov 15 2005 18:49 utc | 57

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