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October 20, 2005
WB: Bonfire of the Stupidities
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New Revelations by American Soldiers of Abuse in Iraq
Monday October 17
FRONTLINE Presents “The Torture Question” Tuesday, October 18, 2005, from 9 to 10:30 P.M. ET on PBS
BOSTON… — Another American soldier has come forward to reveal abusive interrogation techniques by military personnel in Iraq. Tony Lagouranis, a former Army interrogator at Abu Ghraib and member of a special intelligence team in Iraq, has given FRONTLINE a firsthand account of his involvement in the harsh treatment of prisoners.
“It’s all over Iraq,” Lagouranis told FRONTLINE. “The infantry units are torturing people in their homes. They would smash people’s feet with the back of an axhead. They would break bones, ribs. That was serious stuff.”
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Yahoo
Posted by: Noisette | Oct 20 2005 8:21 utc | 1
maybe for some karmic reason it needs to get this gross.
really, how horrid can you go.
as if america is not already the lowest of the low.
will this be the straw that breaks the camel’s back?
what shame. while patriots scream support our troops
and i ask which ones. i would like to rip the cock off of this psyops specialist, burn it to a crisp and call him a lady man.
Posted by: annie | Oct 20 2005 8:26 utc | 2
Americans were really very lucky during the War of Independence. If the British had only thought to string up some of the more well-dressed townfolk, and then send out a few smarmy criers to declare that the riflemen lurking in the woodlands were a bunch of retrograde heathens for letting the Redcoats crucify a batch of local worthies, North America might still be speaking English.
Or maybe not. They didn’t have Nth Generation Warfare back then, and the revolutionaries might have mistakenly taken it as a sign of childish frustration.
Wasn’t there a horrible atrocity for which Fallujah was reduced? Burning and mocking some corpses? Oh wait, that was totally different — it was on video. Our boys could never do anything like that. It’s not on tape.
Posted by: 4-fingers | Oct 20 2005 11:36 utc | 4
Ugh. Bad previous comment. Should read story fully first. It was on tape. That explains the investigation being opened.
I suggest an additional warning for Nyquil: “Exercise caution in offering opinions while using this product.” That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it.
Posted by: 4-fingers | Oct 20 2005 11:48 utc | 5
What this means, to every Afghani alive, is that there can be no peace with these crusaders while there remains one Afghani alive to kill them.
When our troops were massacred at Malmedy in ’44, was our response to surrender?
Did the Bataan Death March convince us to give up?
These stupid, stupid soldiers are our Einsatzgruppen, brutes and bullies going into the villages to kill and terrorize whoever hesitates to accept slavery.
Welcome to the Eastern Front.
Posted by: Antifa | Oct 20 2005 13:27 utc | 6
These lads were Psyops specialists and they ‘obtained’ the bodies in action against the Taliban the night prior. It would be absolutely absurd to write this particular act off as the actions of low-ranking soldiers or an abherrent act because Psyops actions, especially in anti-guerilla/counter-insurgency Ops are ‘Plan’ driven by the Brigade Psyops Staff Officer and staff, the Intel staff and Brigade command.
A Psyops action must be planned, documented, recommended and approved by command OPS to ensure it is ‘supportive’ of the Brigade ‘mission’. No Psyops activity occurs without being specifically authorized as part of a larger action/operation.
Consider this event as yet further confirmation of systemic contempt for the Laws of War, the Geneva Conventions and basic human decency.
As an aside why do we refer to the suffering of POWs in the Hanoi Hilton as TORTURE yet when we do it again and again it is only ‘abuse’ ?
If we had captured NVA enemy torturers and tried them would we acquit them or slap them on the wrist with trivial sentences as we repeatedly do our own ?
Our unit leaders do not understand what leadership is …
We are Hypocrisy. We have lost our way … we truly have become modern Imperial Rome …
Posted by: Outraged | Oct 20 2005 14:38 utc | 7
Former US Ambassador to Kenya and Somalia writes U.S. forces have invaded Syria History repeats, remember cambodia.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 20 2005 15:20 utc | 8
@Uncle $cam
Hmmm, this rather inflammtory rhetorical article is more than 13 hours old yet I have’nt found any corroborating articles/reports from other media/sources … probably a false alarm …
Posted by: Outraged | Oct 20 2005 15:55 utc | 9
4-fingers, actually, until you posted your correction the original looked like a superb example of cynical sarcasm. Stick with the nyquil and become a satirist!
On a more rhetorical note: how many bad apples does it take to realize that you have a bad apple tree?
Posted by: Rowan | Oct 20 2005 16:42 utc | 10
The transcript from the SBS TV report about the PsyOps operation is linked here SBS Dateline
US PsyOps: The best propaganda AlQueda can get.
“On a more rhetorical note: how many bad apples does it take to realize that you have a bad apple tree?”
Shrub: They told me there wouldn’t be any math questions!
(Shamelessly ripped off from Chevy Chase and SNL)
Posted by: Billmon | Oct 20 2005 18:18 utc | 12
@Outraged you could well be correct about the article because at no stage does Simpson cite any sources much less any evidence.
I doubt that a fully fledged invasion of Syria is on the cards since you’d probably need a few soldiers for that little escapade.
What has been hinted at elsewhere is that Special Forces may have been on the wrong side of the border as they “chase terrorists”.
If the settlements in this area are typical of border villages set amongst nomadic people chances are there is no line in the inhabitants mind of where Iraq ends and Syria begins.
That line needs to be firmly in place in the minds of the invaders because just like cambodia it is only a matter of time before a war crime is committed in an allegedly ‘neutral’ or ‘friendly’ nation.
As we already know, in 2005 if an atrocity occurs someone always has a vid-phone in their swag.
Not that I care too much about the invaders getting caught out but ‘proof’ of US agression in Syria won’t leave Assad many places to move.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 20 2005 21:41 utc | 13
Stoking Afghanistan’s resistance
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
KARACHI – The onset of winter and the heavy snows that go with it have traditionally brought Afghanistan’s civil wars to a halt over the past 25 years.
But in the last two years, the Taliban-led resistance has bucked the trend. Two years ago, the winter was marked by the country’s first-ever suicide attacks, which took place against US bases. And last year they continued with sporadic guerrilla activities throughout the long, cold months.
This winter, the Taliban had planned to draw warlords further into their struggle, luring them with promises of protection for their drug-growing and smuggling activities. The overall aim is to spread as much chaos as possible across the country.
Now their cause has received a significant boost from an unexpected quarter following reports that US soldiers desecrated the bodies of Taliban fighters by burning them …
Posted by: Outraged | Oct 22 2005 11:33 utc | 15