They’re forgetting, or ignoring, the visceral impact his idiotic hypothetical could have on a community that suspects, even at the best of times, that most white Americans wouldn’t be sad to wake up one day and find they’ve vanished into thin air.
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October 2, 2005
WB: Bill Bennett’s Modest Proposal
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about a week ago, before the bennet statement, someone on kos had a diary, who are you? asking posters to tell a little about their backgrounds, a few questions , what was your first political experience or what got you into politics. this wasn’t anything i had thought about before oddly enough, but it didn’t take long to recall. i was about 6. when i was a child in the 50’s occasionally my mother would throw teaparties. we don’t really have those anymore, where you polish off the china and buff up the silver set, but that was something i remember as a little girl, especially inviting our teachers over. anyway, it was one of those afternoons with some neighbor ladies. it was also the first time i ever remember seeing my mother cry. i wasn’t in the room during the conversation but the sound that i heard was so unfamiliar to me. a hustle, much movement, my mothers voice raising, crying, i entered the room and saw her at the front door as people were making a quick exit, and an extended conversation w/one of the women. she closed the door still crying and i asked her what was wrong. i couldn’t have been more than 6. she told me something about how some people thought negros shouldn’t have babies and extermination or keeping babies from being born. she had a talk with me,it was way over my realm of conception but sounded horrid. i will never forget this. i posted this last week on kos, i hardly ever post there and i had the thought, most people have never heard of this part of our history. it probably went unnoticed. but this was my first political awareness . it’s more than political, obviously.
Posted by: annie | Oct 2 2005 8:17 utc | 1
My only response is a repost from the catch22 thread(let):
What Bill Bennet said upon being outed as being addicted to gambling, “its better to be a hypocrite than to have no values at all”
It just goes to show the depth of moral certitude these pin-heads are left with. Because their power is brought to fruition in so much as they can plumb the depths of morality — and wallow and slather it upon themselves like some kind of warpaint cosmetic — that in the end illuminates the shallow character of their argument, as nothing much beyond a simplistic self-aggrandizement, myopic as it is in the face dimensional humanity. Their function is to carry blood for Jesus to wash the sins, of their pornographic deal with the devil. They are but money-changers in the currency of moral equivelents designed to squeeze out those deemed undesirable through methods of exclusion that ring out a rightious clarity to the beneficiary, while drowning out the cries of the marginalized as less than human. It is just this sleight of hand that so characterizes this pathetic resurgence of exceptionalism the civil war was supposed to have buried — that we now have to deal with again, like some fucking zombie that has again emerged from the dead to wander the landscape, spreading destruction in the name of life.
Posted by: anna missed | Oct 2 2005 10:11 utc | 2
“And Bennett should have known — before he opened his trap on the subject — that at one point more than 30 U.S. states had laws on the books that encouraged or even required the sterilization of indigents, “habitual criminals” or those deemed mentally unfit. In many states, particularly in the South, these laws were used disproportionately against African Americans, in some cases well into the 1970s.”
—Billmon
And even when the laws were not on the books, some folks took it into their own hands to determine how many babies indigents could have.
In the ’70s a white doctor — a OB/GYN coerced indigent women into tubal ligations immediately after giving birth — didn’t matter if it was first or second child. At the time my county was purple in a blue state – South Carolina. The doctor was one of three OB/GYNs in the area… and the only one who would give pre-natal care to women on medicaid. They were forced to sign a form authorizing the procedure in exchange for treatment. I learned of this when a friend, who was a physician and thought the number of procedures being performed at the local hospital was high, called me because he thought as an elected official, I could effectively investigate and expose this atrocity. I did — and the doctor was fined by Medicaid and prohibited from receiving any further funds. A cross was burned in my yard and my phone rang off the hook — you would not believe some of the things people said.
Over a decade later, the doctor’s wife filed for divorce. She was a nurse and worked in his office. He beat her one time too many, apparently. She charged him with physical cruelty.
Did I mention he was a Republican?
Posted by: crone | Oct 2 2005 12:46 utc | 3
I also have to agree with Armando over at Daily Kos when he suggests that moderates/liberals who have defended Bennett’s comments on dry, intellectual grounds are also exhibiting a tin ear.
Bennett’s public face has been one of constantly acting and talking bad, and then overtalking the critics when he is called to account. The arrogance of convinced intellect.
It is the innuendo and probable core inclinations that the intellectual hair splitters need to learn to listen for.
I have worked as an addiction couselor for nearly 25 years, and have had the manifestations of Bill Bennett run against the grain of my understanding of that condition for has long as he has been around. His 1) gambling addiction 2) nicotine addiction and 3) constant moralizing and lecturing mark him as the ultimate fox who should be entitled to the keys to noone’s ckicken coop. In my field you learn to listen for innuendo, hidden messages, including my own, and bring them to light or, in some cases, note them well and avoid the perpetrator.
Bennett represents the sort of teflon intellect who parades around being a canker and (no doubt) laughing behind his back at how he’s got the rubes fooled. And, usually, even some lefty rubes comply, as we see now, by noting how smoothly he elocutes his bile. Gotta applaude that, no?
Well, maybe he’s done it one too many times for all but the pure hateists. It must have been his sheer arrogance that allowed him to forget that, what with the MSM beginning to point up thug foibles a bit, the big headline would be his racist example.
Personally, I care less what he intended. I would just like to see his personna banished from the public stage once and for all. But with the likes of even some lefties defending his right to make vile arguments — because we’re all Ph.d philosophers here, right — I’m afraid it will just be another feather in his burnished contrarian cap.
BTW, I’ll bet his soul is so rotten he is one of the perps I’d avoid.
Posted by: DonS | Oct 2 2005 12:58 utc | 4
Back in about 1977 I was a regular visitor to a program at the Don Jail in Toronto. When I first started going, the room full of men would be about 99% white. I can be more specific: they were overwhelmingly of Irish (but not recent! Probably their families came to Canada in the 1840’s) Catholic extraction. In other words; the inhabitants of old Cabbagetown — once Canada’s largest anglo-saxon slum but now a very pricey piece of real estate indeed. At one point, I took a 6 month or so hiatus, and when I returned, the room full of men was at least 85% black, and it stayed that way from then on.
One of the things that experience made clear is that the vast majority of so-called crime is simply a matter of who the police are watching. For some reason, in 1977/78, the Toronto police stopped looking at poor white men and started looking at poor black men.
I don’t doubt that the influx of black immigrants into Toronto at that time brought a certain amount of undesirable behaviour with them. In particular, a tiny subset (mainly from Jamaica but with connections to the U.S.) brought a gun culture with them that is a problem for Toronto to this day. But I really wonder what happened to all those “old” Canadians. Did they suddenly stop committing acts for which they could be arrested, or did they suddenly start getting bail because the system preferred to lock up black men and there wasn’t room for everybody? In that case, why hadn’t they been getting bail in the first place since it obviously didn’t change the crime rate to give it to them? Why, because there had been room to lock them up… And I think a hell of a lot of the police/court/prison system works on this principal. We build ’em; they fill ’em.
I don’t think we realize to what degree “crime” is not an immutable, concrete thing, but a social construct. If we restricted ourselves to locking up people who do the things we can all agree are really terrible: murder, violent assaults and serious theft/robbery; then probably 90% or more of the people in jail at any one time would not be there. At the time I was visiting the Don, the vast majority were there for unpaid fines. Your average “criminal” composes a picture that is a jumble of poverty, youth, lack of education, lack of life-skills and emotional and psychological problems. All of these could, if we wanted to as a society, be dealt with in other ways than the criminal justice system.
My point: most of what we think of as crime is an exercise in “othering”. We don’t want to see that there is a continuum of social/personal problems along which we all fall; rather we prefer to see “them” and “us”. And the differences are drawn along lines of race, class and gender for the most part. In other words, crime *IS* a race issue, but not in the way most people seem to think.
What’s the relationship between race and criminality? Not much, I would think. To use my favorite example (I am a single guy in his 40s), porno stars appear to be coming from Eastern Europe these days. Why would that be? Could it be that Eastern Europeans are degenerate or immoral? Could the explanation be simpler? Could their economic circumstances be such that pornography looks like an attractive career? From the American/West European point of view, they do look just like the usual whitc chicks back home and from the corporate pornographer’s point of view, it takes less money to make an East European happy than it does an American/West European.
So no, I don’t see anything inherent about being an Eastern European and a porn star. I see it as strictly an economic arrangement.
By the same token, is there anything inherent about being an African-American and as Yglesias suggests, being a criminal? If there is, it’s obviously a strictly economic and inherently temporary condition.
I detect a new tolerance among certain segments of white people for the kinds of things Bennett said the other day. We saw it with Katrina, and we’re seeing it with statements like Bennett’s.
I believe we are seeing this because the Republicans are in control in Washington, and it’s their adherents who are the main malefactors in this new racist discourse. And the Internet makes it possible to disseminate such hate and filth much faster and to more people than in the past, when it would have been restricted to nutcase newsletters or magazines.
We’ve been seeing in with wingnut talk radio for years, but it has broken out into the “more respectable” venues.
So long as the Republicans are in power, their racist allies will have the public forum to spout this racist rant. And so long as the Republicans are in power, there is, I think, more of a chance that some of this stuff Billmon wrote about could become law again.
We already know that the Republican vision of the future is a Dickensian universe, where the rich and powerful do well and the rest are left to fend for themselves. God, in this universe, is a conservative Republican.
As Digby so concisely put it recently, people like Bush, Cheney, Rumseld, Rove, etc., may not be racists themselves, but the racists out there who vote, vote Republican. And the GOP needs them to maintain power. Hence, these racists have a degree of power and influence in government that we haven’t seen since before the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts became law.
As our black friends can attest, this racism has never gone away. But now it’s back in full public view on a national level, and the upshot is that there doesn’t seem to be much penalty for saying it.
Even though the White House did condemn what Bennett said, I somehow doubt he’ll be banned from the political scene because of the comments. Indeed, even some liberals have defended him. I suppose it’s only a matter of time until we start seeing African Colonization Societies springing up in certain states.
I am a liberal and don’t claim to be a “Democrat,” but one thing I think we can say with certainty: If Gore had become president, you wouldn’t hear this now to this extent, because these people wouldn’t have the acceptable vehicle they have now.
It’s sort of the reverse of the “black helicopter” thing. You no longer hear the white supremicists whining about the federal government swooping down on them in the middle of the night with their black helicopters. Why? Because their guys now control the government and they have nothing to “fear.”
Posted by: Phil from New York | Oct 2 2005 14:08 utc | 7
Study: Adept Liars’ Brains Are Built Differently
Now, here is reference to potential scientific proof of the existence of an actual defect that extends across all races and social classes. It perhaps offers scientific validation for Mark Twain’s quote about Congress, because large numbers of people falling into this category do seem to wind up in places like Congress and the White House, and in positions with major access to people in those places:
A new study from the University of Southern California, published in the October issue of the British Journal of Psychiatry, suggests that the talent for compulsive deception is embedded in the structure of the brain itself.
People who habitually lie and cheat — pathological liars — appear to have much more white matter, which speeds communication between neurons, in the prefrontal cortex than normal people, the researchers found. They also have fewer actual neurons.
The differences affect a portion of the brain, located just behind the forehead, that enables people to feel remorse, learn moral behavior and plan complex strategies.
…
Lying is hard work and these brains may be better equipped to handle it, the researchers said.
Lying is hard work. Sound familiar??
“Lying is cognitively complex,” said USC psychologist Adrian Raine, the senior scientist on the research project. “It is not easy to lie. It is certainly more difficult than telling the truth. Some people have a biological advantage in lying. It gives them a slight edge.”
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“To our knowledge, it is the first imaging study on people who lie, cheat and deceive as a group,” Raine said.
Now it wouldn’t be too hard to further the research to determine whether “criminals” in all social classes, from Bennett’s feared welfare queens and ghetto gangsters to the Lay/Delay/Abramoff/Rove/Congress class, suffer from this malady. And if we could prove this, the Bennett’s of our world could then start advocating purging the human gene pool based on these new scientific criteria, rather than their fantasy projections of our national dark underbelly midnight boogyman nightmare.
Posted by: stvwlf | Oct 2 2005 15:52 utc | 8
Actually, Bennett is misusing Levitt’s work…what Levitt postulates is that abortions reduce the number of unwanted babies and that unwanted babies are more likely to (eventually) commit crimes. Therefore, voluntary abortions reduce crime. There’s nothing in Levitt’s hypothesis about involuntary or coerced abortions,and certainly nothing about race. Under Bennett’s formulation, you’d be aborting wanted (black) babies, which would not reduce crime. Bennett’s underlying assumption that all crime is caused by blacks is simply racist and his attempts to justify it are morally repugnant and vile.
Posted by: strfish7 | Oct 2 2005 16:11 utc | 9
I’m glad to see Billmon posting about this.
Bill Bennett’s comments came just as I was returning from Washington D.C. While there, I visited the holocaust museum. They have an exhibit on eugenics in Germany that is fasinating…a must see if you’re there. There’s also an online tutorial on the exhibit on the Smithsonian website.
I detail my thoughts on Bennett and the exhibit on my blog:
http://greyhairsblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/eugenics_30.html
which includes links to the exhibit as well.
It’s really quite scary that Bennett held these notions AND felt comfortable even saying it as a absurdity. It’s even scarier that some bloggers on the left are defending him.
Remember folks: zero tolerance + racial profiling = selective enforcement.
Posted by: ralphieboy | Oct 2 2005 16:38 utc | 12
When Bill Bennett mused on the potential crime-fighting efficacy of aborting all African-American babies last week
Ah, once again, the Bookie of Virtue proves how out of touch he is.
To judge by recent developments, the Republican Party has entirely abandoned abortion as a means of negro population control, in favor of the vastly more cost-effective method of drowning.
Why, abortion is a handicrafts business, a cottage industry. How can it be expected to compete with modern methods of mass production? And water is as cheap as, well, water.
In Neo-Orleans can be seen the harbinger of a bright new age of Science and of Progress, marching boldly forward into a shiny, new, white future.
Posted by: marquer | Oct 2 2005 18:41 utc | 13
Good point, stvwlf. Who else has the desire and the blind ambition to actually make it into congress.
It’s a real advantage to be psychotic, or a least a sociopath.
Posted by: doug r | Oct 2 2005 19:12 utc | 14
Oh, don’t be silly, marquer. Drowning would be extremely labor-intensive, since they wouldn’t want to go and have every excuse to fight back. New Orleans was deliberate negligence, but they aren’t particularly planning to repeat it—that would require control of natural disasters. Instead, they’re going to weight the draft heavily to pick up undesireables (I’m sure Diebold is helping out), and send them off to fight in the middle east. The machine needs more soldiers, and here we have this excess population sitting around. They can’t complain about keeping their country safe, can they? Why, it’s almost too easy!
Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Oct 2 2005 19:22 utc | 15
Some much of this stuff is just the same old same old. Notice how just about every commentator and decisionmaker in favour of forced abortion or sterilisation is a middle aged bloke.
Now as a middle aged bloke myself I don’t really want to be advocating our incarceration/execution/forced lobotomy but I will say that I reckon we all need to stop allowing decisions to be made by ‘non-stakeholders’ or whatever cliche currently applies to interfering sticky-beaks.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 2 2005 19:24 utc | 16
more attention needs to be paid to how the circulation of bennett’s public remarks fit into a pattern of increasing vitrol that effectively serves to divert attention from the real social defectives – namely, great white father gwb, his cabal of “chosen” looters, and all of those groups deficient enough to encourage & abide them.
i just am having a hard time imagining that a substantial portion of these public remarks, esp in light of the opportunity that the “neo-orleans” catastrophic success afforded, are not being encouraged, or at least tolerated, because of the service that they do to deflect the public eye as much as possible from the most explicit & odious of crimes being committed in our very names.
the tactic of appealing to this very emotional powder-keg has served the elite throughout the history of this country. and given how much the public is being manipulated on so many concurrent fronts, a healthy skepticism should address the likelihood that the powder-keg has been wheeled back out onto the stage for another act.
Posted by: b real | Oct 3 2005 0:40 utc | 17
a beautiful meditation by bob dylan (1963) found through david marsh at counterpunch:
(The text and additional context is at the Corliss Lamont website; Lamont led the ECLC. See http://www.corliss-lamont.org/dylan.htm)
A MESSAGE
from Bob Dylan
(Sent to the Emergency Civil Liberties Committee after he received the Tom Paine Award at the Bill of Rights dinner on December 13, 1963.)
to anybody it may concern…
clark?
mairi?
phillip?
edith?
mr lamont?
countless faces I do not know
an all fighters for good things that I can not see
when I speak of bald heads, I mean bald minds when I speak of the seashore, I mean the restin shore I dont know why I mentioned either of them
my life runs in a series of moods
in private an in personal ways, sometimes, I, myself, can change the mood I’m in the mood I’d like t be in. when I walked thru the doors of the americana hotel, I needed to change my mood… for reasons inside myself.
I am a restless soul
hungry
perhaps wretched
it is hard to hear someone you dont know, say “this is what he meant t say” about something you just said
for no one can say what I meant t say
absolutely no one
at times I even cant
that was one of those times
my life is lived out daily in the places I feel most confortable in. these places are places where I am unknown an unstared at. I perform rarely, an when I do, there is a constant commotion burnin at my body an at my mind because of the attention aimed at me. instincts fight my emotions an fears fight my instincts…
I do not claim t be smart by the standards set up I dont even claim to be normal by the standards set up an I do not claim to know any kind of truth
but like an artist who puts his painting (after he’s painted it) in front of thousands of unknown eyes, I also put my song there that way (after I’ve made it) it is as easy an as simple as that
I can not speak. I can not talk
I can only write an I can only sing
perhaps I should’ve sung a song
but that wouldn’t a been right either
for I was given an award not to sing
but rather on what I have sung
no what I should’ve said was
“thank you very much ladies an gentlemen”
yes that is what I should’ve said
but unfortunatly… I didn’t
an I didn’t because I did not know
I thought something else was expected of me other than just sayin “thank you”
an I did not know what it was
it is a fierce heavy feeling
thinkin something is expected of you
but you dont know what exactly it is…
it brings forth a wierd form of guilt
I should’ve remembered
“I am BOB DYLAN an I dont have t speak
I dont have t say nothin if I dont wanna”
but
I didn’t remember
I constantly asked myself while eatin supper “what should I say? what should I tell ‘m?
everybody else is gonna tell ‘m something”
but I could not answer myself
I even asked someone who was sittin nex t me an he couldn’t tell me neither. my mind blew up an needless t say I had t get it back in its rightful shape (whatever that might be) an so I escaped from the big room… only t hear my name being shouted an the words “git in here git in here” overlappin with the findin of my hand being pulled across hundreds of tables with the lights turned on strong… guidin me back t where I tried t escape from “what should I say? what should I say?”
over an over again
oh God, I’d a given anything not t be there “shut the lights off at least”
people were coughin an my head was poundin an the sounds of mumble jumble sank deep in my skull from all sides of the room until I tore everything loose from my mind an said “just be honest, dylan, just be honest”
an so I found myself in front of the plank like I found myself once in the path of a car an I jumped…
jumped with all my bloody might
just tryin t get out a the way
but first screamin one last song
when I spoke of Lee Oswald, I was speakin of the times I was not speakin of his deed if it was his deed.
the deed speaks for itself
but I am sick
so sick
at hearin “we all share the blame” for every church bombing, gun battle, mine disaster, poverty explosion, an president killing that comes about.
it is so easy t say “we” an bow our heads together I must say “I” alone an bow my head alone for it is I alone who is livin my life I have beloved companions but they do not eat nor sleep for me an even they must say “I”
yes if there’s violence in the times then there must be violence in me I am not a perfect mute.
I hear the thunder an I cant avoid hearin it once this is straight between us, it’s then an only then that we can say “we” an really mean it… an go on from there t do something about it
When I spoke of Negroes
I was speakin of my Negro friends
from harlem
an Jackson
selma an birmingham
atlanta pittsburg, an all points east
west, north, south an wherever else they might happen t be.
in rat filled rooms
an dirt land farms
schools, dimestores, factories
pool halls an street corners
the ones that dont own ties
but know proudly they dont have to
not one little bit
they dont have t be like they naturally aint t get what they naturally own no more ‘n anybody else does it only gets things complicated an leads people into thinkin the wrong things black skin is black skin It cant be covered by clothes an made t seem acceptable, well liked an respectable…
t teach that or t think that just tends the flames of another monster myth…
it is naked black skin an nothin else
if a Negro has t wear a tie t be a Negro then I must cut off all ties with who he has t do it for.
I do not know why I wanted t say this that nite.
perhaps it was just one of the many things in my mind born from the confusion of my times
when I spoke about the people that went t Cuba I was speakin of the free right t travel I am not afraid t see things I challenge seein things I am insulted t the depths of my soul when someone I dont know commands that I cant see this an gives me mysterious reasons why I’ll get hurt if I do see it… tellin me at the same time about goodness an badness in people that again I dont know…
I’ve been told about people all my life
about niggers, kikes, wops, bohunks, spicks, chinks, an I been told how they eat, dress, walk, talk, steal, rob, an kill but nobody tells me how any of ‘m feels… nobody tells me how any of ‘m cries or laughs or kisses. I’m fed up with most newspapers, radios, tv an movies an the like t tell me. I want now t see an know for myself…
an I accepted that award for all others like me who want t see for themselves… an who dont want that God-given right taken away stolen away or snuck out from beneath them yes a travel ban in the south would protect Americans more, I’m sure, than the one t Cuba but in all honesty I would want t crash that one too do you understand?
do you really understand?
I mean I want t see. I want t see all I can everyplace there is t see it my life carries eyes an they’re there for one reason the reason t see thru them
my country is the Minnesota-North Dakota territory that’s where I was born an learned how t walk an it’s where I was raised an went t school… my youth was spent wildly among the snowy hills an sky blue lakes, willow fields an abandoned open pit mines. contrary t rumors, I am very proud of where I’m from an also of the many blood streams that run in my roots. but I would not be doing what I’m doing today if I hadn’t come t New York. I was given my direction from new york. I was fed in new york. I was beaten down by new york an I was picked up by new york. I was made t keep going on by new york. I’m speakin now of the people I’ve met who were strugglin for their lives an other peoples’
lives in the thirties an forties an the fifties an I look t their times I reach out t their times an, in a sense, am jealous of their times t think I have no use for “old” people is a betrayin thought those that know me know otherwise those that dont, probably’re baffled like a friend of mine, jack elliott, who says he was reborn in Oklahoma, I say I was reborn in New York…
there is no age limit stuck on it
an no one is more conscious of it than I
yes it is a fierce feeling, knowin something you dont know about’s expected of you. but it’s worse if you blindly try t follow with explodin words (for that’s all they can do is explode) an the explodin words’re misunderstood I’ve heard I was misunderstood
I do not apologize for myself nor my fears I do not apologize for any statement which led some t believe “oh my God! I think he’s the one that really shot the president”
I am a writer an a singer of the words I write I am no speaker nor any politician an my songs speak for me because I write them in the confinement of my own mind an have t cope with no one except my own self. I dont have t face anyone with them until long after they’re done
no I do not apologize for being me nor any part of me
but I can return what is rightfully yours at any given time. I have stared at it for a long while now. it is a beautiful award. there is a kindness t Mr Paine’s face an there is almost a sadness in his smile. his trials show thru his eyes. I know really not much about him but somehow I would like t sing for him. there is a gentleness t his way.
yes thru all my flounderin wildness, I am, when it comes down to it, very proud that you have given this t me. I would hang it high, an let my friends see in it what I see, but I also would give it back if you wish. There is no sense in keepin it if you’ve made a mistake in givin it. for it means more’n any store bought thing an it’d only be cheatin t keep it
also I did not know that the dinner was a donation dinner. I did not know you were gonna ask anyone for money. an I understand you lost money on the masterful way I expressed myself… then I am in debt t you not a money debt but rather a moral debt if you’d a sold me something, then it’d be a money debt but you sold nothin, so it is a moral debt an moral debts’re worse ‘n money debts for they have t be paid back in whatever is missin an in this case, it’s money
please send me my bill
an I shall pay it
no matter what the sum
I have a hatred of debts an want t be even in the best way I can you needn’t think about this, for money means very little t me
so then
I’ll return once again t the road
I cant tell you why other people write, but I write in order to keep from going insane.
my head, I expect’d turn inside out if my hands were t leave me.
but I hardly ever talk about why I write. an I scarcely ever think about it. the thought of it is too alarmin
an I never ever talk about why I speak
but that’s because I never do it. this is the first time I am talkin about it… an I pray the last the thought of doing it again is too scary
ha! it’s a scary world
but only once in a while huh?
I love you all up there an the ones I dont love, it’s only because I do not know them an have not seen them… God it’s so hard hatin. it’s so tiresome… an after hatin something to death, it’s never worth the bother an trouble
out! out! brief candle
life’s but an open window
an I must jump back thru it now
see yuh
respectfully an unrespectfully
(sgd) bob dylan
Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 3 2005 0:40 utc | 18