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October 15, 2005
Plame Thread III

After the fold you will find my first impressions of reading the revealing or not revealing article in the New York Times on the Plamegate issue.

The most serious points for me:

– Miller does NOT do a full disclosure to her paper, the NYT, for this article.

– Sulzberger did prohibit the reporting on the case for "personal reasons". (Doesn´t Judy have a nice ass?)

– Keller did screw it up because he thinks Sulzberger has a nice ass.

I blogged this while reading the above linked article for the first time. First impressions sometimes are valuable … a more reflecting view will follow. But here we go:

First Impression:

And when the prosecutor in the case asked her to explain how "Valerie Flame" appeared in the same notebook she used in interviewing Mr. Libby, Ms. Miller said she "didn’t think" she heard it from him. "I said I believed the information came from another source, whom I could not recall," she wrote on Friday, recounting her testimony for an article that appears today.

Miller lies.

But Mr. Sulzberger and the paper’s executive editor, Bill Keller, knew few details about Ms. Miller’s conversations with her confidential source other than his name. They did not review Ms. Miller’s notes. Mr. Keller said he learned about the "Valerie Flame" notation only this month. Mr. Sulzberger was told about it by Times reporters on Thursday.

Interviews show that the paper’s leadership, in taking what they considered to be a principled stand, ultimately left the major decisions in the case up to Ms. Miller, an intrepid reporter whom editors found hard to control.

Okay – proven incompetence – fire them.

Asked what she regretted about The Times’s handling of the matter, Jill Abramson, a managing editor, said: "The entire thing."

I believe that …

"I told her there was unease, discomfort, unhappiness over some of the coverage," said Roger Cohen, who was foreign editor at the time. "There was concern that she’d been convinced in an unwarranted way, a way that was not holding up, of the possible existence of W.M.D."

So what did you do Mr. Cohen? YOU were her editor.

Ms. Miller is known for her expertise in intelligence and security issues and her ability to cultivate relationships with influential sources in government.

"Cultivate" – nice wording.

In two interviews, Ms. Miller generally would not discuss her interactions with editors, elaborate on the written account of her grand jury testimony or allow reporters to review her notes.

Ohh, she didn´t say a bit that could be of interest. Full disclosure? No Way!!!

On July 30, 2003, Mr. Keller became executive editor after his predecessor, Howell Raines, was dismissed after a fabrication scandal involving a young reporter named Jayson Blair.

Within a few weeks, in one of his first personnel moves, Mr. Keller told Ms. Miller that she could no longer cover Iraq and weapons issues. Even so, Mr. Keller said, "she kept kind of drifting on her own back into the national security realm."

And he let her do this? He was the EE. He could have stopped her.

On June 23, 2003, Ms. Miller visited Mr. Libby at the Old Executive Office Building in Washington.

But Mr. Libby was already defending Vice President Dick Cheney, saying his boss knew nothing about Mr. Wilson or his findings. Ms. Miller said her notes leave open the possibility that Mr. Libby told her Mr. Wilson’s wife might work at the agency.

On July 8, two days after Mr. Wilson’s article appeared in The Times, the reporter and her source met again, for breakfast at the St. Regis Hotel, near the White House.

The notebook Ms. Miller used that day includes the reference to "Valerie Flame." But she said the name did not appear in the same portion of her notebook as the interview notes from Mr. Libby.

During the breakfast, Mr. Libby provided a detail about Ms. Wilson, saying that she worked in a C.I.A. unit known as Winpac; the name stands for weapons intelligence, nonproliferation and arms control. Ms. Miller said she understood this to mean that Ms. Wilson was an analyst rather than an undercover operative.

Ms. Miller returned to the subject on July 12 in a phone call with Mr. Libby. Another variant on Valerie Wilson’s name – "Victoria Wilson" – appears in the notes of that call. Ms. Miller had by then called other sources about Mr. Wilson’s wife. In an interview, she would not discuss her sources.

Not discuss her sources? Why not?

Ms. Miller’s article on the hunt for missing weapons was published on July 20, 2003. It acknowledged that the hunt could turn out to be fruitless but focused largely on the obstacles the searchers faced.

I am not sure about this, but I think it didn´t even had her byline.

Ms. Miller’s article on the hunt for missing weapons was published on July 20, 2003. It acknowledged that the hunt could turn out to be fruitless but focused largely on the obstacles the searchers faced.

Neither that article nor any in the following months by Ms. Miller discussed Mr. Wilson or his wife.

It is not clear why. Ms. Miller said in an interview that she "made a strong recommendation to my editor" that a story be pursued. "I was told no," she said. She would not identify the editor.

Ms. Abramson, the Washington bureau chief at the time, said Ms. Miller never made any such recommendation.

Lying again Judy?

In the fall of 2003, after The Washington Post reported that "two top White House officials disclosed Plame’s identity to at least six Washington journalists," Philip Taubman, Ms. Abramson’s successor as Washington bureau chief, asked Ms. Miller and other Times reporters whether they were among the six. Ms. Miller denied it.

"The answer was generally no," Mr. Taubman said. Ms. Miller said the subject of Mr. Wilson and his wife had come up in casual conversation with government officials, Mr. Taubman said, but Ms. Miller said "she had not been at the receiving end of a concerted effort, a deliberate organized effort to put out information."

Hmmm…

When Ms. Miller was subpoenaed in the investigation in August 2004, The Times immediately retained Floyd Abrams, who had often represented the paper and is a noted First Amendment lawyer.

The Times said it believes that attempts by prosecutors to force reporters to reveal confidential information must be resisted. Otherwise, it argues, the public would be deprived of important information about the government and other powerful institutions.

The fact that Ms. Miller’s judgment had been questioned in the past did not affect its stance. "The default position in a case like that is you support the reporter," Mr. Keller said.

It was in these early days that Mr. Keller and Mr. Sulzberger learned Mr. Libby’s identity. Neither man asked Ms. Miller detailed questions about her conversations with Mr. Libby.

Ahhh – Sulzberger did know what was at stake …

Times lawyers warned company executives that they would have trouble persuading a judge to excuse Ms. Miller from testifying. The Supreme Court decided in 1972 that the First Amendment offers reporters no protection from grand jury subpoenas.

And they did know that there was no plausible defense …

Ms. Miller authorized Mr. Abrams to talk to Mr. Libby’s lawyer, Joseph A. Tate. The question was whether Mr. Libby really wanted her to testify. Mr. Abrams passed the details of his conversation with Mr. Tate along to Ms. Miller and to Times executives and lawyers, people involved in the internal discussion said.

Mr. Abrams told Ms. Miller and the group that Mr. Tate said she was free to testify. Mr. Abrams said Mr. Tate also passed along some information about Mr. Libby’s grand jury testimony: that he had not told Ms. Miller the name or undercover status of Mr. Wilson’s wife.

That raised a potential conflict for Ms. Miller. Did the references in her notes to "Valerie Flame" and "Victoria Wilson" suggest that she would have to contradict Mr. Libby’s account of their conversations? Ms. Miller said in an interview that she concluded that Mr. Tate was sending her a message that Mr. Libby did not want her to testify.

That should fit conspiracy … but NO!

In an e-mail message Friday, Mr. Tate called Ms. Miller’s interpretation "outrageous."

"I never once suggested that she should not testify," Mr. Tate wrote. "It was just the opposite. I told Mr. Abrams that the waiver was voluntary."

He added: " ‘Don’t go there’ or ‘We don’t want you there’ is not something I said, would say, or ever implied or suggested."

Tate is Libby’s lawyer – how can you be so missunderstood???

While the paper’s leaders were rallying around Ms. Miller’s cause in public, inside The New York Times tensions were growing.

Throughout this year, reporters at the paper spent weeks trying to determine the identity of Ms. Miller’s source. All the while, Mr. Keller knew it, but declined to tell his own reporters.

You love your boss, don´t you?

Mr. Keller said that before Ms. Miller went to jail, Mr. Sulzberger, the publisher, asked him to participate in meetings on legal strategy and public statements. Mr. Keller said he then turned over the supervision of the newspaper’s coverage of the case to Ms. Abramson, though he said he did not entirely step aside.

"It was just too awkward," Mr. Keller said, "to have me coming from meetings where they were discussing the company’s public posture, then overseeing stories that were trying to deal with the company’s public posture."

Keller: "You know his asshole is so beautiful, you just have to get inside".

Some reporters said editors seemed reluctant to publish articles about other aspects of the case as well, like how it was being investigated by Mr. Fitzgerald. In July, Richard W. Stevenson and other reporters in the Washington bureau wrote an article about the role of Mr. Cheney’s senior aides, including Mr. Libby, in the leak case. The article, which did not disclose that Mr. Libby was Ms. Miller’s source, was not published.

Mr. Stevenson said he was told by his editors that the article did not break enough new ground. "It was taken pretty clearly among us as a signal that we were cutting too close to the bone, that we were getting into an area that could complicate Judy’s situation," he said.

In August, Douglas Jehl and David Johnston, two other Washington reporters, sent a memo to the Washington bureau chief, Mr. Taubman, listing ideas for coverage of the case. Mr. Taubman said Mr. Keller did not want them pursued because of the risk of provoking Mr. Fitzgerald or exposing Mr. Libby while Ms. Miller was in jail.

We will just follow that lead – beautiful asshole  – isn´t it.

The editorial page, which is run by Mr. Sulzberger and Gail Collins, the editorial page editor, championed Ms. Miller’s cause. The Times published more than 15 editorials and called for Congress to pass a shield law that would make it harder for federal prosecutors to compel reporters to testify.

Mr. Sulzberger said he did not personally write the editorials, but regularly urged Ms. Collins to devote space to them. After Ms. Miller was jailed, an editorial acknowledged that "this is far from an ideal case," before saying, "If Ms. Miller testifies, it may be immeasurably harder in the future to persuade a frightened government employee to talk about malfeasance in high places."

Asked in the interview whether he had any regrets about the editorials, given the outcome of the case, Mr. Sulzberger said no.

"I felt strongly that, one, Judy deserved the support of the paper in this cause – and the editorial page is the right place for such support, not the news pages," Mr. Sulzberger said. "And secondly, that this issue of a federal shield law is really important to the nation."

That guy is toast (I hope).

Ms. Miller said she comforted herself with thousands of letters, the supportive editorials in The Times and frequent 30-minute visits from more than 100 friends and colleagues. Among them were Mr. Sulzberger; Tom Brokaw, the former anchor at NBC News; Richard A. Clarke, a former counterterrorism official; and John R. Bolton, the United States ambassador to the United Nations.

Clarke!!! hmmm???

Mr. Freeman advised Ms. Miller to remain in jail until Oct. 28, when the term of the grand jury would expire and the investigation would presumably end.

Mr. Bennett thought that was a bad strategy; he argued that Mr. Fitzgerald would "almost certainly" empanel a new grand jury, which might mean Ms. Miller would have to spend an additional 18 months behind bars.

Mr. Freeman said he thought Mr. Fitzgerald was bluffing. Mr. Abrams was less sure. But he said Judge Hogan might release Ms. Miller if Mr. Fitzgerald tried to take further action against her.

Lawyers …

Ms. Miller said she was persuaded. "I mean, it’s like the tone of the voice,[Libby’s]" she said. "When he talked to me about how unhappy he was that I was in jail, that he hadn’t fully understood that I might have been going to jail just to protect him. He had thought there were other people whom I had been protecting. And there was kind of like an expression of genuine concern and sorrow."

Ms. Miller said she then "cross-examined" Mr. Libby. "When I pushed him hard, I said: ‘Do you really want me to testify? Are you sure you really want me to testify?’ He said something like: ‘Absolutely. Believe it. I mean it.’ "

At 1 p.m. on Sept. 26, Ms. Miller convened her lawyers in the jailhouse law library. All the lawyers agreed that Mr. Libby had released Ms. Miller from the pledge of confidentiality.

Judy, Judy …

Claudia Payne, a Times editor and a close friend of Ms. Miller, said that once Ms. Miller realized that her jail term could be extended, "it changed things a great deal. She said, ‘I don’t want to spend my life in here.’ "

1st ammendment hero??? Yeah, jail changed a great deal …

On Sept. 29, Ms. Miller was released from jail and whisked by Mr. Sulzberger and Mr. Keller to the Ritz-Carlton Georgetown for a massage, a manicure, a martini and a steak dinner. The next morning, she testified before the grand jury for three hours. Afterward, Ms. Miller declared that her ordeal was a victory for journalists and the public.

Ouch…

On Tuesday, Ms. Miller is to receive a First Amendment award from the Society of Professional Journalists. She said she thought she would write a book about her experiences in the leak case, although she added that she did not yet have a book deal. She also plans on taking some time off but says she hopes to return to the newsroom.

She said she hopes to cover "the same thing I’ve always covered – threats to our country."

That threat Ms. Miller, is your reporting.

The Times incurred millions of dollars in legal fees in Ms. Miller’s case. It limited its own ability to cover aspects of one of the biggest scandals of the day. Even as the paper asked for the public’s support, it was unable to answer its questions.

How come I don´t feel sorry of you?

Comments

Miller goes to jail for 85 days for a source that she CAN’T recall?
Something smells mighty fishy!

Posted by: susan | Oct 15 2005 21:54 utc | 1

Great post b.

Posted by: Friendly Fire | Oct 15 2005 21:57 utc | 2

More issues:
Judy: My Four Hours Testifying in the Federal Grand Jury Room

In July 2003, Joseph C. Wilson IV, a former ambassador, created a firestorm by publishing an essay in The New York Times that accused the Bush administration of using faulty intelligence to justify the war in Iraq. The administration, he charged, ignored findings of a secret mission he had undertaken for the Central Intelligence Agency – findings, he said, that undermined claims that Iraq was seeking uranium for a nuclear bomb.
It was the first time Mr. Wilson had gone public with his criticisms of the White House. Yet he had already become a focus of significant scrutiny at the highest levels of the Bush administration.

That´s a lie right here. Wilson did go public with the facts in a May OpEd written by Kristof.

Posted by: b | Oct 15 2005 22:09 utc | 3

Dammit where is Billmon? I want him to tell me what to think. Figuring it al out for myself is just hard, hard work.
But Bernard, I think you did a fine job of interpretation. The story was full of evasions, gaps and air pockets. I have to wonder what she has on the Times management that they let her flagrantly stonewall them. Or maybe she just introduced them to some kinky neoconservative erotic practices. I hope Sulzberger and Keller got some atomic sex out of it, because it certainly destroyed their careers.

Posted by: Roger Bigod | Oct 15 2005 22:12 utc | 4

Like (b) I went through the Times Story highlighting relevant or interesting bits. I found myself with War and Peace. So is this Times story long and tedious but ultimately uninformative? Or is it the ‘truth’ that NYT readers have been waiting on for alla this time?
Neither really is it.
There’s very little stated in there that people didn’t already suspect or know.
What is revealing is what isn’t said as well as the nuances.
One of the best of which is right at the end of this story.
“On Oct. 3, four days after Ms. Miller left jail, she returned to the headquarters of The New York Times on West 43rd Street.
Before entering the building, she called her friend Ms. Payne and asked her to come downstairs and escort her in. “She very felt frightened,” Ms. Payne said. “She felt very vulnerable.”
At a gathering in the newsroom, she made a speech claiming victories for press freedom. Her colleagues responded with restrained applause, seemingly as mystified by the outcome of her case as the public.”

What actually happened in the newsroom isn’t as important as the sad fact that the lowlife Miller knew that her pathetic attempt to put her deceit into a heroic stance wouldn’t wash with her colleagues. In other words good old fashioned middle class guilt.
I realise that many people feel that Miller was just a pawn in a much bigger game.
Pawns do matter and need to be dealt with before ( to really stretch this trite metaphor) they get to the other end and become kings.
I do agree though that the least important issue in all of this is that Miller is reputed to “bang like a shithouse door in a gale”.
Until I heard that I had absolutely no respect for her but now at least I can see her as a woman who is unafraid to take what she wants from the fragile male egos that bonk a person whose attractions (psychological as much as physical) appear dubious indeed.
Perhaps they were been bonking ‘that times reporter’ rather than Judy Miller. No doubt it was a rather unsatisfying experience for her as they rushed the job so they could get out and tell their mates.
So she probably gave them short shrift and is now paying the normal price that macho idiots demand when the’re not regarded as the best thing since sliced bread.
They are calling her the town bike. This of course says much more about them than it does her.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 15 2005 23:09 utc | 5

b. i think ‘go public’ means identify himself. kristof did not identify him by name.
oh, i have so many first impressions also. after reading judy’s take on it i notice some inconsistencies. miller claims she advocating doing a piece on wilson’s wife and the paper said no and she felt scooped by novak. maybe that means the times took the info from judy and gave it to novak behind her back.
next, libby’s MO was shifting th eblame to the cia. also creating the concept of 2 niger syories and trying to pin the ’99 story on wilson.
big distancing from cheney, that seems to be his main objective. da.
this stood out
I recall that Mr. Libby was angry about reports suggesting that senior administration officials, including Mr. Cheney, had embraced skimpy intelligence about Iraq’s alleged efforts to buy uranium in Africa while ignoring evidence to the contrary. Such reports, he said, according to my notes, were “highly distorted.”
this was the main rove WH spin job. the quote ‘highly distorted’ are libby’s words i presume and directly from her notes. what i want to know is what exactly she means by ignoring evidence to the contrary?? contrary to skimpy intellegence?? that’s all they had. if they had anything they could have chomped their teeth into they wouldn’t be in this mess!

Posted by: annie | Oct 15 2005 23:12 utc | 6

I admit first off that I haven’t read the article yet, just this posting. I’m also not great with all these little details unless I put a lot more time in than I have. Three things strike me. One, elite opinion seems to have coalesced around turning the first amendment on its head just as Scalia (brilliant mind) turned the equal rights amendmend on its head. Namely, the right to protect sources is meant to ensure people’s ability to, essentially, be whistleblowers. Once they are exposed as liars, no less a source than Editor and Press believes that the right no longer exists. But, elite opinion has so muddied the water on this that they can now blatantly sell this lie to the American public. This has major repercussions beyond this case with the Nation’s fascist drift.
Second, it seems from b’s description (By the way your writing style, b, was so much like Billmon’s, I initially thought it was him) that this story brings up the image of all these powerful human beings standing naked in a circle each washing the crack in front of him/her–in polite terms, a circle wash. This tale has been laundered more than John Gotti’s cash, with the intent of exculpating as many and as much as possible. This stuff is the worst that can be expected by the Times, and while it may make the great unwashed masses more comfortable handling their morning Pravda, it does nothing to rehabilitate its image with anyone who understands the matter in the least.
But the third observation I have is a question: Why are they coming out with this now, setting all kinds of positions and claims in stone before they suppossedly know where Fitzgerald is going with this? To my mind, this either smells of some sort of desperation which will come back to burn them, or it is the first indication that the investigation will not turn over the great stones that it is expected to. Nothing much to see here, move along, move along.

Posted by: Malooga | Oct 15 2005 23:32 utc | 7

Wait a second there. Does sulzberger of whatever have a nice ass? Or is a nicely lickable ass measured by different criteria from the traditional ‘nice ass’ nice ass? Inquiring minds want to know how a newspaper became an administration organ, and the story may start with the asses.

Posted by: razor | Oct 16 2005 0:20 utc | 8

To put it more simply, NYT is a WH organ. Miller is a govt mole. Sulzberger protects her with his life cuz when she is outed he and his paper are dead. This has happened. They are dead.

Posted by: rapt | Oct 16 2005 0:44 utc | 9

Malooga, your last two sentences is where I am at. Why is Judy talking? Even given that Fitz has his needed testimony and she is out from under the contempt ruling, why would Fritz clear her totally?
Either there is less here than we had hoped, or Judy had better be very careful, and obviously she is NOT telling us all, about what she writes. I cannot believe that Fitz will not be watching what she tells very carefully. This might equate with letting a suspect out of jail and then watch to see what he does and who he talks to? Or it could be that Fitzgerald does not have the whole story about the Niger documents and WHY they had to take down Wilson and his wife. That would be very sad.
Judy, have Cheney or Hadley called and set up a meeting to thank you? Yah, I bet not.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 16 2005 0:55 utc | 10

rapt.
yes

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 16 2005 0:57 utc | 11

If this had come out a year ago, it would probably have changed the outcome of the election. The WH owes Sulzberger and Miller, big time.

Posted by: Roger Bigod | Oct 16 2005 1:12 utc | 12

Fuck all this beating around the Bu$h, I’ll just come out and say it, Miller, is ‘CIA’. There now that wasn’t that bad was it? We are all have know these kind of things since tricky dick. Hell, the sycophants came right out and told us in the seventies…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 16 2005 1:21 utc | 13

Addendum:
I suspect what we have going on is classical infighting with in the CIA. Old guard vs New, miller and cohorts (read B-team) are the new guard, plame and company are the old. Miller and the new vanguard out factions of the old school,because you know, “they are ‘the revolutionary pariahs come to bring a new day. Could it be that simple? Regardless, while in a less disfuctional society you could count on the NYT’s to be finished. However, john q. public, i.e. joe sixpack and susie soccer will not have the time energy or foresight to even see it all. What with working 50/60 hrs a week, just to make house notes, put food on the family, ipods for the kids and no health insurance. It’s amazing, I just had a disscussion w/a neighbor who makes less than 22k a year has two kids and believes she is middle class. I almost bit a hole in my lip.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 16 2005 1:46 utc | 14

Forgive the speelling and grammmar above, I’m typing w/ one hand while eatting pot stickers 😉

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 16 2005 1:51 utc | 15

22grand is middle class!
rapt , yes
the roots that connect them are the neocons. for anyone who doesn’t know, this includes billmon, which i inferred from his comment awhile back about the tree not being close to the roots or something, aspen tree roots are connected. that is why the grpw in groves. underground they send up new shoots.
i am not so sure she is cia but she is something.
remember, judy is one of over a hundred or more people he interviewed. there is a lot fitz can work w/there. and it goes w/out saying she didn’t tell us everything. we know he is building a case around cheney. we know fitz knows cheney knew plames identity early and whig was trying to discredit wilson via/plame. we know cheney was present at whig meetings while the plot was hatched. my guess is he’s got a case. judy just doesn’t want to take the fall(completely) but anyone w/brains can see she only came clean w/facts in her notes. we know these were facts that THE DAY BEFORE SHE PROBABLY LIED ABOUT until the notebook was ‘found’ and it doesn’t take 4 hrs to tell what she told in that article. so hold onto your hat, we are in for a wild ride.

Posted by: annie | Oct 16 2005 2:03 utc | 16

I believe they are called “quaking aspens.”

Posted by: Malooga | Oct 16 2005 3:29 utc | 17

Good post, Bernhard!

Posted by: jonnybutter | Oct 16 2005 4:14 utc | 18

There are 2 Agenda setting papers here. NYT & WaPo. While everyone is focusing on JMiller the NeoNut fellow traveler & the ramifications for the NYT, the latter is getting a free pass. I think this is a Colossal oversight.
Look at it from perspective of Coupsters. They had 2 papers to control. They had a NeoNut at one to help them. So, what to do w/WaPo that could be even more troublesome, tasked as it is w/setting the tone w/its day to day political coverage of the Coup House. Ahhh..I got it, said…Rove??… one day…We’ll make Repug Bobby Woodward an offer he can’t refuse. We’ll offer him position as court historian…exclusive access…books, promising piles of buckolas…if we like those, who knows what lucrative opportunities will open up for him afterwards…
So, I ask Everyone, why is Woodward getting a free pass on this??? Because his cooptation merely sets the agenda behind the scenes…he doesn’t have to lie in print…Ok, but he’s totally corrupt in simply a different way…He should be excoriated for the arrangements he made w/House of Coups. He sold independent coverage of the worst, most illegal & corrupt Admin. down the Potomac for his ego, vanity & wallet. Hell, that’s worse than JMiller – at least she believed in NeoNut policy.(And it’s a very different sea for NYT to swim in, when it has to go it alone against fascist echo chamber vs. when both WaPo & NYT competing w/each other over who is most shall I say..sceptical.)

Posted by: jj | Oct 16 2005 5:29 utc | 19

Populus trivia.
Aspens are ephemeral – an early phase in forest succession. They flourish after catastrophes. Aspens compete with one another for the light; without it they decline. With it they decline, but more slowly. They do not mature; they senesce. They are susceptible to many kinds of rot.
The forestry guy term for these connected-at-the-root trees: suckers.

Posted by: eftsoons | Oct 16 2005 5:30 utc | 20

$cam wrote
Fuck all this beating around the Bu$h, I’ll just come out and say it, Miller, is ‘CIA’.
No, Walter Pincus is/was CIA & he was buried on p. 18 of WaPo ‘cuz he called NeoNuts on their bullshit.

Posted by: jj | Oct 16 2005 5:32 utc | 21

It’s all theatre.
Can anybody explain to me why Plame is a victim here?
She’d done a suspiciously lousy job of checking proliferation (check out the Butler Report on the AQ Khan network)
In fact the gig was up in January 2003.
She hadn’t much of a future at the CIA (but they say you can never leave).
Am I the only one that thinks it highly significant that she was pregnant in July 2003?
If she’d actually been helping the proliferators this would be a dream outcome, no?
Personally burned, so no more use to the Agency (compounded by the Vanity Fair photo).
Her network destroyed, so that all the evidence of her wrongdoing is buried.
Her true work brought to completion
George Bush told the Prime Minister two months before the invasion of Iraq that Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran and North Korea may also be dealt with over weapons of mass destruction, a top secret Downing Street memo shows.
The US President told Tony Blair, in a secret telephone conversation in January 2003 that he “wanted to go beyond Iraq”.

Wilson and Plame, two American heroes, riding off into the sunset together to start a new life with more money than they’ll ever need.
Reality check here. AQ Khan was the partner of BCCI in nuclear proliferation. Kerry was the author of the whitewash report on BCCI. Wilson is a close crony of Kerry. Wilson is married to Plame. Plame was monitoring Khan. Kinda neat, eh?
FUCKING TRAITORS. WAKE UP!

Posted by: john | Oct 16 2005 14:38 utc | 22

Can anybody explain to me why Plame is a victim here?
Did anybody say so? The victim here are the people of this world and democracy – or what’s left thereof.

Posted by: b | Oct 16 2005 15:08 utc | 23

@ malooga, fwiw, up here in canukistan we call them “trembling” aspens, or poplars

Posted by: andrew in caledon | Oct 16 2005 15:11 utc | 24

After surfing around the various blogs who discuss this, Huffington, firedoglade, Jay Rosen, it is clear we know only little more about the afair Plame.
What is clear is that Libby is done and Fitzgerald is openly aiming for Cheney.
The NYT has all but fired Miller and Keller and Pinch Sulzberger need to go too.
For the moment I just want to know who gave a security clearance to Miller and why. Any ideas?

Posted by: b | Oct 16 2005 15:16 utc | 25

@Scam. Judy Miller CIA? No way. She is a neo-con conspirator.
@John. Khan? Goodness me. More outings! Who outed him was never cleared up, was it? I mean Condi said it was the Gvmt. but she was mistaken! (To explain why Ridge raised the Terror alert, I seem to remember?) What has he got to do with anything? I think that whole story is just the usual terror rigmarole – get Pakistan to arrest some terrorist because, well just because. This one was ‘flipped’ and had a computer with data in it from before 9/11. Real exciting.
Or was he outed because he might really have contributed something?
—-
What I didn’t find in Africa.
evokes:
and… What you won’t find in Iraq!

Posted by: Noisette | Oct 16 2005 15:49 utc | 26

Does it matter anymore to the NYT whether it is objectively trustworthy, or is it just a matter of having the right political connections?
If the first, it looks like Keller must go. I don’t know about the owner. Who has clout with the other owners, and what do they care about?

Posted by: cc | Oct 16 2005 16:00 utc | 27

I don’t know about the owner. Who has clout with the other owners, and what do they care about? It’s a public company. Folks who own it want to make money. As a paper you don´t make money because of the right political connections.

Posted by: b | Oct 16 2005 16:08 utc | 28

For the moment I just want to know who gave a security clearance to Miller and why. Any ideas?
THE PENTAGON
Miller’s near-stenographic coverage of WMD alarms in cahoots with the Administration in the fall and winter of 2002-2003, and her “embedded” role in the Iraqi desert when helping to steer a WMD search task force in the direction Chalabi was pointing them–all the time claiming to hold a SECRET Pentagon clearance–added up to heady power. Later on, after returning from Iraq in May 2003, she did her best to finesse it all in a July 20 “mini-culpa” that effectively brought to an end her beat.

Posted by: annie | Oct 16 2005 16:43 utc | 29

i forgot to blockquote that paragraph, can you tell it’s not my writing style 😉

Posted by: annie | Oct 16 2005 16:44 utc | 30

John adds another twist to this affair. I am having a bit of trouble making the connection. Though John Kerry may be a lot of things, it is not apparent from the investigation of BCCI that he was white washing the whole deal. Rather it seems that a rather thorough investigation was carried out and people were punished.
read the report for yourself. interesting how Kissinger’s name pops up….

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 16 2005 17:48 utc | 31

Kerry was the author of the whitewash report on BCCI. this is nuts, kerry was the dog that wouldn’t let go
Kerry opted in 1989 to take the same information that had been coldly received at the Justice Department and bring it to New York District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, who agreed to begin a criminal investigation of BCCI, based on Kerry’s leads. Kerry also continued to keep up the public pressure. In 1990, when the Bush administration gave the bank a minor slap on the wrist for its money laundering practices, Kerry went on national television to slam the decision……
He would soon have a chance to turn his declarations into action. In early 1991, the Justice Department concluded its Tampa probe with a plea deal allowing BCCI officials to stay out of court. At the same time, news reports indicated that Washington elder statesman Clark Clifford might be indicted for defrauding bank regulators and helping BCCI maintain a shell in the United States.
Kerry pounced, demanding (and winning) authorization from the Foreign Relations Committee to open a broad investigation into the bank in May 1991…..
But Kerry refused to back off, and his hearings began to expose the ways in which international terrorism was financed. As Kerry’s subcommittee discovered, BCCI catered to many of the most notorious tyrants and thugs of the late 20th century, including Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, the heads of the Medellin cocaine cartel, and Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist. According to the CIA, it also did business with those who went on to lead al Qaeda.
who’s john? troll? did he call us traitors?!!!

Posted by: annie | Oct 16 2005 22:15 utc | 32