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October 29, 2005
Other News – Weekend Thread

Anything but plamegate …

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There are lots of distortions about Iran in the western press. I am still wondering what Ahmadinejad really said. ATOL has this:

Ahmadinejad continued, “Once, his eminency Imam [Ruhollah] Khomeini – leader of the 1979 Islamic revolution], stated that the illegal regime of the Pahlavis must go, and it happened. Then he said the Soviet empire would disappear, and it happened. He also said that this evil man Saddam [Hussein] must be punished, and we see that he is under trial in his country. His eminency also said that the occupation regime of Qods [Jerusalem, or Israel] must be wiped off from the map of the world, and with the help of the Almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism, notwithstanding those who doubt.”

hmm

Posted by: b | Oct 29 2005 10:40 utc | 1

hmmmmmmm indeed, did he say those words because he knows the USA have their balls in a vice in Iraq and are powerless?
Meanwhile
Ambassadors sacked

Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has fired his country’s ambassadors to Britain, France, and Germany, and ordered 18 envoys to be recalled to Tehran, a government official in the Iranian capital told Iran Focus.
“Ahmadinejad has been angered by what he sees as the envoys’ meek reaction to the global condemnation of his Wednesday speech against Israel and the West”, the official, who requested anonymity, said. “He made the speech with the full blessing of the Supreme Leader [Ayatollah Ali Khamenei] and has his green light to stifle any dissenting voice within the government”.

Maybe an underground test in the offing?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 29 2005 12:03 utc | 2

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Posted by: b | Oct 29 2005 14:14 utc | 3

I do not understand why the Iranian Prez made that statement about Israel. Can someone help me?
Far from being incapacitated, the U.S. has the ability to do nuclear strikes within Iran to take out supposed nuclear facilities. They have ships in the Persian Gulf and they have the capacity to use Israeli airplanes on those ships to do a limited nuclear strike on Iran.
The statement from Iran was like a justification for the use of those weapons by Israel, and, since Israel is our ally, we would also be involved.
…and this is just what Israel and the U.S. has wanted to do in Iran since last year, at the least.
The only rationale I see is a willingness on the part of the Ayatollah to sacrifice many lives to create a meme of martyrs, in the form of dead Iranians, that will tie various Shi’ite groups together in various places.
Since the Shi’ites have just had a big boost in Iraqi elections, I do not see how they would think it’s in their best interest to go along with this Iranian pov.
But there is NO JUSTICFICATION for a call for genocide (no matter who makes it).
reading the statement above merely confirms a hope for genocide in the middle east.
This mess in the world will never stop until all sides respect the others’ right to exist. All sides.

Posted by: fauxreal | Oct 29 2005 16:12 utc | 4

Once Upon a Time in the West
Now that Left Blogistan had its orgy of Animal Housism popped by Fitzgerald’s report,
it’s time to get back to the real issues at hand, the Endless War inflation engine, and
an underlying US:Global economic strategy driving America’s middle class to Ch. 13.
There is no doubt, after five years of a madcap deficit spending bubble on the war, and
and equally madcap easy-credit mortgage refinancing bubble in housing, that the US
is teetering on a “shortfall in aggregate demand” that props up easy credit and deficits.
In an Ideologue World, policies held sedulous to the hoi polloi will always be satisficed.
In a Neo-Universe, deficits always get monetized, by printing press, and by wars of terror.
In that light, it’s important to intimately, thoroughly, understand forward-looking realities:
The Administration will continue with deficit spending and easy credit. Here’s its playbook:
http://tinyurl.com/delyx
The Administration gussies up to the same Hollyweird cowboy dress code as Mr. Reagan:
http://tinyurl.com/8avck
http://tinyurl.com/bawtv
The Administration is neither compassionate, nor conservative, Mr. Will, you &^%*’g troglodyte:
http://tinyurl.com/c29yp
http://tinyurl.com/csnlt
http://tinyurl.com/9yt82
http://tinyurl.com/coco9
We are the terrorized townspeople. BushCo is the corrupt sheriff and his posse.
Any questions?
Mr. Eastwood, where are you, now that we need you!? Ooo-eee, ooo-eee, ooo-o-o.
http://www.threatswatch.org

Posted by: tante aime | Oct 29 2005 17:01 utc | 5

To understand Iran, you have to understand
what’s happening there. Their recent election
was a retrograde defeat for Iran’s secular
globalists. President Mohammad Khatami is an
exact parallel to George Bush in 2000. He is
charged with radicalizing the masses in order
to convert unbelievers to fundamentalism, as
part of our global fanatical reductionism.
There’s not a shred of difference between his
rhetoric against the Qods, and Bush:Falwell’s
rhetoric against Islam. This is Neo Crusadism.
A war of words, amidst a war of worlds. Look
back in history to the Pope against the Caliph.
This is the Eighth Crusade. Same-same.
The question is, whether you want to get sucked
into their s–t, to become serfi-cized, or you
want to turn away from it. Turn away from forty
years of war in Iraq, turn away from centuries
of war against Islam, turn away from Neo WW IV
and a WalMartized hand-to-mouth existence.
If Hebron sucker-punches Tehran, remember
one thing. The US and Britain hold complete
full-spectrum dominance of the Gulf. Israel
can move neither F-16 nor nuclear submarine
without prior notice and wholesale approval
of the Bushites, the Queen and the Pope.
If Tehran gets bombed, put the blame squarely
on Sharon, Bush, Blair and Ratzinger. Nobody
but an insane Talibani would start a world war
over the rambling unctions of some president.
“Sticks and stones may break my bones, but I’m
gonna nuke your rag-head ass, you mutherf-r!”
That’s the Neo-Western geo-political discourse.
And you paid for it. And are paying for it,
and will pay for it. And pay. And pay. And pay.
http://tinyurl.com/92fym

Posted by: Qod92fym | Oct 29 2005 17:24 utc | 6

I do not understand why the Iranian Prez made that statement about Israel. Can someone help me?
On CNNI recently anchor Fionnuala Sweeney discussed this point with someone – god, who? can’t recall whether it was a journalist or other specialist, nor can I find a transcript – who “explained” that Ahmadinejad’s “wipe them off the map” statement was a quote from another leader/document/text/?, that this is commonly recited in speeches before this particular religious event – Jerusalem Day, decrying loss of muslim control of Jerusalem and so forth. Not that any of this justifies wiping any country off the map. Still, it was an interesting discussion that fleshed out what Ahmadinejad actually said but I did NOT see it repeated during the day and evening while the streamer repeated the phrase as if it were a direct quote.
Did anyone else happen to see the Sweeney interview and/or know who she was talking to?

Posted by: Hamburger | Oct 29 2005 17:26 utc | 7

The Knights Templar wore red crosses on white
as their colors.
The Neo-Cons wear red ties on white shirts
as their colors, (and only wear blue on white
when there’s been a malfeasance discovered.)
The Templars grew wealthy beyond imagining.
They secretly allied themselves with Muslims,
and so completely lost sight of their original vows of poverty that they engaged in banking and large-scale financial operations.
The Neo-Cons grew wealthy beyond imagining.
They secretly allied themselves with the Sauds,
and so completely lost sight of their original vows of public service that they engaged in Fed banking, stock swindles, money-laundering and large-scale tranfer of public tax monies into corporate and private coffers.
Among the hordes of starving 11th Century serfs, 4000 died in a riot over a pair of shoes.
Among the hordes of starving 21st Century serfs, 1,000’s die in food riots around the world.
While New Orleans lay drowning, Condi Rice bought a $3,000 pair of stilleto heel boots, in NYC.
While New Orleans was rebuilding, George Bush
diverted $17,000,000,000 of our for-aid tax money
to rebuilding Federal facilities in other areas,
using minimum-wage undocumented migrant workers,
after firing American trade workers.
Emergency service workers in New Orleans had their wages cut to $8.86 an hour, after Bush’s toss-out of prevailing wages went into effect.
Many of them were still homeless from Katrina.
US Defense Department can’t account for over
$1,000,000,000 in C-A-S-H, in Iraq. Bales of
newly-printed $100’s, shrink-wrapped.
Average Americans are now in negative savings,
meaning that they are paying only the interest
on their mortgage, and the 28% interest and
penalties on their credit card, with only a week’s worth or less of salary saved, on the way to being rousted out of their homes onto the sidewalk, then homeless, bankrupt and broke.
US stock market went up 160 points on the news.
You just can’t make this s–t up!

Posted by: 8th Circle of Hell | Oct 29 2005 17:58 utc | 8

@fauxreal et al.
1. Ahmadinejad talked on the yearly “Jerusalem Day” (last Friday of Ramadhan) to a quite radical group of his constituency
2. These were not his original statements but he cited Khomeini’s prophecies – see above. But the MSN did cover it as his own words.
3. He talked about Qods, Jerusalem. Last time I looked half of Jerusalem was occupied despite a dozend UN resulutions against this. The annectation of East Jerusalem by the occupation force is still done, everyday.
fauxreal writes: “The statement from Iran was like a justification for the use of those weapons by Israel, and, since Israel is our ally, we would also be involved.”
Would the also very religion loaded, agressive statements on “the axis of evil” and calls for “regime change” have justified the use of nuclear weapons on Washington DC? Well maybe?
Also since when is Israel an ally of the United States? As far as I know there are no contracts etc. in place like with NATO countries, so there is no obligation for the US to do anything in case Israel goes to war.
I think Ahmadinejad has been too harsh with his statements, but then, listen to some likutnik statements and those are not a bit less harsh.
Finally Perez called for the UN to throw out Iran. This is the most laughable think I ever heard of. Israel is the country that defies the UN and any resolution on Israel for decades. Israel is the country that is not a signatory of the NPT – Iran is signatory and sticks to it. Israel is openly annectating a foreign country, palestine, day by day.
The Persians are calculating that currently nobody can touch them. For the US (or Israel) to risk an attack is a very, very high gamble. So they put up some pressure. They should do so with less inflaming rethoric, but you can be sure that ANY words Ahmadinejad would use would be turned against him in the western press. So maybe he thinks it just doesn´t matter.

Posted by: b | Oct 29 2005 18:17 utc | 9

Hmmm, the troll(?), tante aime appears to have taken on a couple of new identities, (a singular style though) … ‘Qod92fym’ & ‘8th Circle of Hell’, perhaps ?.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 29 2005 18:18 utc | 10

@b
Israel also has at least 200 nuclear warheads and the means to deliver them by aircraft as well as ground and submarine launched missile delivery systems. Not to mention chemical and biological weapons. Certainly no shortage of WMDs.
Israel is not a signatory to the NPT and has been, unlike Iran, illegally militarily occupying foriegn (Palestine, the West Bank, East Jerusaelum, the Golan Heights, etc) soil since the 1967 ‘Six day war’ in defiance of countless UN Resolutions with the explicit support of the US veto.
Oh yeah, routine extra-judicial summary executions regardless of the innocent civilians routinely denied life as ‘collateral damage’ …
Israel, or more precisely it’s extremist Zionist ideology and current government, is to the ME ‘street’ the embodiment of the criminality and injustice of modern western colonialism over the last 90 years since WWI. Hence the rather ‘heavy’ Iranian rhetoric.
Anyone remember the Irgun or the Hagganah ? Yesterdays terrorist is todays ‘freedom fighter’ …
Oh, and our supposed ‘ally’ spies on us regularly, intereferes in our political process directly, etc
PS The attack on the USS Liberty …

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 29 2005 18:36 utc | 11

Federation of American Scientists
WMDs around the world – Israel
Center for Nonproliferation Studies
Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middle East – Israel

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 29 2005 18:55 utc | 12

Israeli Weapons of Mass Destruction: a Threat to Peace

“Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches.”
– Ariel Sharon

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 29 2005 19:02 utc | 13

since we are on this….
you might add some names of people who have close ties to Israel and were very involved in the selling of the invasion of Iraq
Richard Perle
Michael Ledeen
Paul Wolfowitz
I Libby Lewis
Larry Franklin
come to mind.

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 29 2005 19:03 utc | 14

As pointed out, the Israelis (present Gvmt.) do not have autonomy, and cannot act on their own decisions. They are financially, politically dependent, and can only manouver through alliance, that is, adopting other’s interests, or by using more or less covert manipulation, influence, deception, blackmail, etc.
They are prisoners of their own device. The whole place is an open air concentration camp. Everyone there is miserable.
Subject to the victim-and-perp syndrome, they can only forge alliance with dominators, from the Nazis before WW2, to America today. To legitimise the symbiosis, they can only pretend control through deception, victimhood, and all its ugly faces in the modern world.
Lastly, to legitimise this situation, the population has been brainwashed and become paranoid. In such situations, a criminal class will rise to the top.
something like that – there are other aspects as well…

Posted by: Noisette | Oct 29 2005 20:31 utc | 15

Noticed that, Outraged. At least we got an entertaining troll. Perhaps the number of personalities is a fn. of type of medication.

Posted by: jj | Oct 29 2005 20:37 utc | 16

Jesus, anyone else utterly incapable of focusing on the latest Distraction WH is cooking up? Enough Already. NeoNuts out of the WH NOW. 300,000 Americans are being cut off foodstamps & their children, ~40,000, will therefore be cut off free lunch program. In light of that, and ever so much more like it, I can quickly grow disgusted w/the painless attention to decorum among DC Elites. It’s all living in a nightmare to me…Everything is a Distraction from the Pirates War against us…the Culling of the Herd…the smart-ass trivia of the Tablogs makes my blood boil…and, of course, the “left” has always been anti american middle class, so they’re not about to speak out.

Posted by: jj | Oct 29 2005 20:43 utc | 17

thanks for the information. it does make a difference to know it’s in the context of jerusalem day, but jerusalem day itself is one reason it’s so hard to make peace in the middle east.
the zionism that arose from years of persecution, and finally had the force of action because of the holocaust is just as real as the muslim complaints.
there is no nation in that region that it not practicing horrifice methods to deal with perceived threats. the muslim nations treat women like 2nd class citizens, far worse than any western society, or the quasi-western society of Israel that was the outcome of British colonialism and WW2.
How far back do we go to create a geography that pleases the area? Isn’t that impossible to do since the whole of history, around the world, consists of one nation or group conquering another, or holding the other as a client state?
really. tell me how the muslims are excused from their actions and only Israel is castigated for its horrors…they are ALL perpetrating horrors.
and if I remember, Israel was invaded immediately after the Brits set up the area, so the words have more than symbolic meaning for someone in Israel, no doubt.
And the area that was Palestine was also area that was controlled by various other empires along the way, including ones that were muslim.
So, if we take the long view, let’s take the really long view.
The Persian imposed their empire long before the United States was even known…and they had no qualms about their colonialism, their imperial objectives…
So, yes, such rhetoric falls into the same category as Robertson, who should be in jail for publically threatening a pres. of another country.
And, yes, the possibility is there for a limited strike. I’m not saying it’s smart or justified, I’m just saying that such rhetoric plays into the hands of the non-reality based crew that has, so far, only lost one member via indictments.
And, realistically speaking, how can anyone expect everyday Americans to brush aside such comments, after their experience with OBL? How can anyone expect Americans to consider the history of the m.e. when they hear calls for the extermination of the Jews, and the echo in history, for the U.S. is in the holocaust?
It would be wonderful if the maschismo factor could be dialed down on all sides…one justification given for horrific treatment of muslim prisoners is that to appear weak is to lose a psychological battle.
I detest Sharon, and what he did to reignite the infitada, but knowing a ritual prayer for Israel’s extermination is part of the nation Khomeni left behind only provides justification for fears of any sort of peace agreements.

Posted by: fauxreal | Oct 29 2005 20:48 utc | 18

The Iranian distraction was very easy to use because this speech occurs on the last day of Ramadan every year.
Maybe not word for word but pretty much since the revolution in 1979 Iranian fundies have been marching demanding the end of Israel’s illegal takeover of Palestinian land and their usurping of Palestinian sovereignty and political system.
Doubtless the elephant we won’t talk about in this thread was some motivation for the beat up but we shouldn’t forget that there are moves afoot to get Iranian Oil back where it belongs in the hands of USuk. There are a lot of ways to skin that cat and perhaps invasion isn’t really on the agenda because after Iraq just the threat of invasion certainly makes many concentrate their minds on things.
Whether or not USuk win in Iraq the Baathists aren’t going to run it again and the country isn’t worth shit to live in at the moment so Iranians would probably make a concession or two if there were no other alternative.
The French are on side for this one they have probably been offered a share in the Iranian oilfields if they support USuk at the security council.
It’s the French I really want to discuss in here because while everyone is talking about whether or not the Muslims have thermonuclear devices and insinuating that these types can’t be trusted with weapons of mass destruction, unlike Whitefellas, my local fishwrap has this story in it today.
It is about the high rate of illness that people who live in French Polynesia are currently suffering:

” Unexpectedly high levels of radioactive contamination are being discovered in French Polynesia nearly a decade after nuclear testing ended on Mururoa Atoll.
Up to five people a day are being sent to private hospitals in Auckland for diagnosis and treatment for what may be radiation-related illnesses, officials say.
The territory’s president Oscar Temaru has accused the French Government of a continuing, high-level cover-up over the health and environmental consequences of the testing.
“We have a lot of health problems,” he said.
Though France preferred such patients to be sent to Paris, it was cheaper and closer to send them to New Zealand, an official of Mr Temaru’s said. “

This is coming out now because until a few months ago French Polynesia which I believe is still defined as a Parisian suburb for French administrative purposes, was run by corrupt representatives of the whitefellas who have colonised it.
However the locals have finally got one of their own mob in charge. The last 12 months in Tahiti have been a bit like Venezuela. When Temaru won the election the first time up, the French courts declared that there was dodgy work afoot.
Complicated musical chairs ensued which resulted in the Whitefellas back in power.
By far the majority of the dodgy work was attributed to the Gaston Flosse whitefella mob but the courts only sought to rerun the polls in areas that Temaru had won but which it was felt whitey should have prevailed.
Another poll was held on those islands and Temaru got an increased majority which left a fair bit of egg on Chirac’s face since he was buddy buddy with the last administration who had arm twisted Tahitian businesses to give hefty donations to Chirac’s party in the last French national elections.
Now that Temaru is feeling confident and knows he has power he is starting to raise issues the French Government (under right and left administrations) have been sweeping under the carpet for 50 years.
When I was a youngfella this was the first major political action I got involved in and we fought hard but that is yet another yarn.
The point is that when nuclear testing started back in the 1960’s it was considered acceptable to cover the southern half of this planet with fallout.
Francophiles should understand that this isn’t some sort of Anglo have a go at the frogs thing.
The Anglos did exactly the same thing in South Australia. They looked at a map and said no one lives in this desert lets let off some devices at Maralinga . Thing is it was only empty of white fellas. A big mob of Pitjantjatjara Aboriginal people had been living there for 40,000 years minimum.
Of course the US has been involved in nuclear testing in the Pacific as well. In fact although the US has signed a treaty agreeing to cease testing, it still involves itself in so called subcritical tests . Whether or not it sticks to the agreement and doesn’t ‘go critical’ is subject to some dispute.
Finally intensive pressure from Australia and New Zealand governments failed to get France to pay any heed.
When USuk was approached to see if they could have more success New Zealand and Australia were told that the last round of tests for smaller tactical nuclear weapons would be completed. After that the French signed a treaty with the US restricting further testing.
There has long been a suspicion that the French, who appeared impervious to criticism, were effectively sub-contracting these tests of smaller nuclear devices for the US and Israel.
So if people want to get their tits in a tangle over Iran criticising the existence of Israel, an artificial construct, which is a blight on 21st century humanity, that is fair enough, because whichever way it goes many ordinary people on both sides of this debate are going to die. However do not be mislead into thinking that Iran is the only; or even close to the worst example, of a country’s spending on weapons of insane destruction.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 29 2005 22:27 utc | 19

Nightmares from the Bowels of the WH- are too much for me now.
Anyone else Need some Weekend Amusement? link
It’s a Fun Site – Best Banned/Rejected Advertising… Some Brilliant, or at least Mind-opening stuff that violates Taboos. One of Euro Attacking the Dollar that had to be pulled off boards in Russia…Play about!

Posted by: jj | Oct 29 2005 22:46 utc | 20

Interesting Review of Andrew Bacevich’s new book on current American militarism. Book sounds very good.
LINK

Posted by: Groucho | Oct 30 2005 0:10 utc | 21

What’s going on with Iran feeling its oats? Perhaps this little tidbit: Vali Nasr, an expert on Shiites who lectures on national security affairs at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in Monterrey, Calif., said al-Sistani’s intention to call for a withdrawal timetable has been an “open secret” for some time. In other words, the jig is up, the worst possible outcome is coming, intelligence has known it for a while, and that is why W’s goose is going to be cooked well before Christmas.
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faux real-
You need to bone up on your understanding of Zionism, its origins, and its goals.
To better understand Iraq, the Middle East and the early racist implementations of Zionism in what was then Palestine, I suggest spending some time online with The Gertrude Bell Project. I think of her as a cross between Lawrence of Arabia, Gertrude Stein, Condi Rice(except knowlegable and competant) and Amelia Earhart. She started the Baghdad Musuem (remember, “Democracy is messy”), and drew up the lines for Modern Iraq. Her diary entries recording the enactment by fiat of laws enabling Jews (often rich and from England) to buy Palestinian land coupled with redlining policies forcing the sale of said land give lie to the myth that Zionism was nothin more than an altruistic yearning of the disenfranchised. Remember she was writing this in 1920–there was no political correctness–and was full of approbation.
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Sad to see people chomping so voraciously on the red meat thrown out by the Bureau of Public Outrage here on this blog. Judgement, people….
Let’s recall Chomsky’s admonition here: a little less outrage at the actions of others, which after all we can’t control, and a little more outrage and activism at our collective actions, which we are responsible for and can try to control.
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Why does everyone call Tante Aime a troll? Sometimes the comments are off topic, and sometimes incorrect, but often are funny and, as above, insightful. I sometimes feel bad that Tante seems very isolated from the discussion here.
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jj- got your request from previous thread.

Posted by: Malooga | Oct 30 2005 0:36 utc | 22

jj-
I like the picture of the Euro fucking the Dollar.

Posted by: Malooga | Oct 30 2005 0:45 utc | 23

Malooga- yes, zionism has a long history. I didn’t say it emerged because of the holocaust…I said the holocaust was what sealed the deal. Are you trying to say that Hitler’s extermination camps had no impact?
And zionism was very controversial among Jews, esp., those in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union who were involved in the new revolution in Russia.
And again, to act as though this is something new among any powerful nation or whatever you want to call it is naive.
We should all be just as outraged about what happened to the kurds and demand the reconstitution of kurdistan, which would include parts of Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. Why don’t they return that land, rather than gas the kurds?
And Debs, I am not talking about who can and should have nuclear weapons. In my opinion, no one should. That whole train of thought has nothing to do with my posts.
and, fwiw, yes, lots of nuclear crap has been done in places far from the U.S., but tests were also done in the U.S. and people died of cancer, so please don’t assume that the U.S. cares anymore for its own citizens.
The issue is more than about oil for many people. Yes, oil plays a big role for certain interests, but such reductionist rhetoric does not address the ways to achieve peace…and as long as the followers of Khomeni read his prophecies, and as long as Bush calls other nations evil, we will not find the way to peace.
Of course the sensible thing is for the U.S. to ignore Iran, and for people with a grip on reality to take over foreign policy.
But Iran is in no way excused for its hateful rhetoric, either. If we’d heard that coming from Germany in the 1920s, it would the Jews have deserved such attitudes? German nationalists had major gripes against the Jews for corrupting their indigenous culture with “modernism” and acting like they had no nation, but were part of a family of humankind and made alliances with people around the world. And they aligned with a dangerous nation, Russia, that was vowing to export its form of govt around the world (just like the French Revolutionaries.)
Honestly, this whole conflict is two-sided…at the least. And about more than oil.

Posted by: fauxreal | Oct 30 2005 4:08 utc | 24

On taint aime, well seems to me he/she must be, and I hate to surmise, but you know, they must be one of those….
(((((((((((((((((theaterpeople))))))))))))))))))
And personally, I kinda like it when they show up in the bar, on maybe a slow night — they arrive (un-announced of course) in character, perhaps even in costume to provide a sampling or such, of their unlimited ( “Master Thespian”) talents. All the while testing their particular draw(troll) power over the patrons and the topic(s) at hand, which when it happens to add to the conversation (or ambience for that matter) in such an way that the unexpected grain of sand in the oyster might stimulate that oyster…..you know what I mean a little irritation, a little out of the ordinary, embracing of the error sometimes can work in favor of revalation. But conversly, as a caution though, the surrealist Juan Miro once, in reply to a question of how he could think in such fantastic images and thoughts, answered ; “only by keeping my feet firmly planted on the ground”. So I like what I read, but with preference for the grain of sand part, minus the theatrics.

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 30 2005 8:06 utc | 25

an interesting Observer comment on Iran

But at the very heart of it, what is most shocking is that there is a pointlessness about this international kerfuffle that almost defies belief. Iran knows it will never carry out its threat. Ahmadinejad’s comments, if anything, are an indication of his own weakness. The bellicose noise on Britain’s side, however, is no less pointless with the Prime Minister’s veiled threat made in the knowledge that while embroiled in a war on Iran’s border, the chances of meaningful military action to enforce change in Iran, even if it were desirable, are negligible.
Ahmadinejad’s comments do not signify a real and heightened threat. They express a vicious stalemate. The beneficiary, ironically for Iran, is Israel whose hand in Washington is strengthened. But such speeches bolster extremists. The lesson of Iraq is that talking up a crisis can become a self-fulfilling prophesy. And it is bringing us no closer to solving the urgent problems posed to world peace by an increasingly complex Iran.

Posted by: b | Oct 30 2005 10:20 utc | 26

I must have had too much time on my hands today.
I came across a weird diatribe purportedly by some Chinese “General” about how they are planning to take over America.
I followed the link back to something called “Hal Turner” who apparently has air time in the NY area.
And his “blog” consists on a shitpile of racist articles. One particularly disgusting article was about Rosa Parks.
If anyone has a strong stomach and is interested in grappling with the depths of human depravity – check this out (I wont supply any URL’s).
Perhaps this moron invented all the comments by himself. I don’t know if they have internet access in NY lunatic asylums – but I am gonna be particularly careful on my next visit if these people are actually walking around the streets unsupervised.
I’ll will add though, that is gives me some pause on the “free speech” issue.

Posted by: DM | Oct 30 2005 10:45 utc | 27

What is the story behind this?
Man charged with having fake credentials from Washington

Federal authorities have charged a former Navy intelligence agent with having fake credentials from the White House, Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council.
Craig Sikut, 47, of Amherst, faces felony charges of making a false statement and producing false identification cards.
The FBI and U.S. Attorney’s Office said police investigated a disturbance at his suburban Buffalo home in March and found the fake IDs and a computer with thousands of images of President Bush.

???

Posted by: b | Oct 30 2005 10:48 utc | 28

Endless sunset
While you were, ah, distracted, Congress was quietly renewing every major provision of the Patriot Act.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 30 2005 10:50 utc | 29

@Uncle $cam
maybe you should think twice about paying any more federal taxes…
and authorize the death penalty for a person who gives money to an organization whose members kill someone, even if the contributor did not know that the organization or its members were planning to kill.

Posted by: DM | Oct 30 2005 11:10 utc | 30

@fauxreal I wasn’t aware I was addressing my opinions on the Iranian question at you. I started writing that post over a day ago when the Ahmadinejad remarks first surfaced but as far as I know they hadn’t been commented on here.
But as you have given me your opinion I shall give you mine.
What MrUnspellable/Unpronounceable said wasn’t hateful or racist he simply said the state of Israel should be abolished, as it should. This remark of itself doesn’t make any determination about the people living in the area currently called Israel.
If someone wants to understand why someone said what they said it is vital to know what was spoken not what some other entity claimed was said.
The two state solution as well as legitimising theft is unworkable. As long as ‘Palestine’ and ‘Israel’ are up against each other rubbing shoulders, the violence will continue.
One secular non racist state is the only workable long term solution.
Describing the US’s prime motivation as “reductionist rhetoric” simply exacerbates the conflict.
I realise that it is difficult to come to terms with the underlying economic rationale for invasion and murder because it is so hateful. But to believe Imperialists are primarily motivated by anything other than personal gain, not only means accepting murderers weasly words it flies in the face of the history of Imperialism. The ‘ideo/religious motivations have always been an “add on” by the greedy to give legitimacy for their actions.
I would be interested to hear of any colonisation of one country by another where there was no major economic benefit to the coloniser. I am unaware of any apart from mistaken guesses which are usually dropped like the proverbial hot potato.
Oil is the only reason for Iraq massacre that matters. All the others are just lame after the fact justifications.
I can hardly be bothered going over this well worn ground again. There are many many worse regimes than Saddam Hussein’s out there and no one seriously considers invading them. The US would never invade North Korea (except of course if some previously unknown resource were discovered) no matter how badly they treat their population or threaten the South and or Japan.
Peace won’t be found in the middle east until the issue of oil is confronted and dealt with.
Why do you think the demopublicans don’t have any Iraq policy other than more and better war?
They have drunk the Kool Aid too, so they believe that one of the few real economic advantages the US still retains is it’s energy hegemony backed by it’s military superiority.
Hell they designed the policy. The repugs have only been in control for a decade this bullshit has been going on since at least WW2 finished. Before really if you consider the way the Roosevelt gave Japan the choice between being a thrid rate nation or war.
The philosophic motivations that everyone gets so distracted with are irrelevant.
In fact if BushCo had been honest about the oil bizzo he probably wouldn’t be facing the problems at home he has now.
Yes sure it would have been harder at the start to crank the killing up because people always prefer to have others think they are being ethical. However the long term sacrifice(lives and money) BushCo is asking of US citizens means that some sort of economic advantage is the only thing that people would accept in return for such sacrifice.
The west won’t stop fighting those nations with oil until one of three things occurs.
Those nations go “bugger it nothing is worth this. Take the stuff and piss off.” viable but given the nature of leaders unlikely.
The demand for oil disappears. Nearly as unlikely in the short term since little real progress has been made on alternatives.
Both sides come to an arrangement whereby the oil owners don’t feel they have been burned and the oil consumers don’t feel their dependence on oil makes them dependant on oil owners.
That’s not 100% likely but unlike the first two it is achievable in the short to medium term.
The second option is going to be the only stable and longterm one but won’t really happen until the oil has pretty much run out.
These buggers are going to be killing each other for a while yet. But that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to sit and watch this slaughter without insisting on some ethical guidelines and without trying to mitigate the killing and wounding of innocents as much as possible.
The people of the Mid East turned to Islam when there was nowhere else to go. They tried adopting Marxism to use as an underlying philosophy to power their self defence but Afghanistan was the last straw for demonstrating that imperialism is imperialism no matter what other ism is put out front to justify it.
Recognising that help from outside was really no help at all, they looked for their own philosophy and the one that came to hand was the philosophy that had been prevailing throughout the area before the white fellas turned up.
Its not a great choice, in fact its an ironic choice when you consider that Islam was the philosophy of the pre Xtian colonists, but I guess memories of Ottoman domination are sufficiently in the past that people don’t consider them.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 30 2005 12:04 utc | 31

“Ahmadinejad’s comments do not signify a real and heightened threat. They express a vicious stalemate.”
Yes, indeed.

Posted by: Pat | Oct 30 2005 13:43 utc | 32

Time to declare West Bushistan a terrorist state and embargo it. It produces mega-scale grifters, electronic election rigging machines, toxic politicians, and grapefruit. Does anybody anywhere actually like grapefruit?

For example, U.S. Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, would let federal prosecutors shop for another jury if the first panel deadlocked on a death sentence. The very notion is absurd — jury shopping for death — and the amendment should be stripped from the Patriot Act reauthorization bill.

Posted by: eftsoons | Oct 30 2005 13:59 utc | 33

To understand the general arabic outrage on Israel you only have to dip into todays Haaretz:
New checkpoint to sever W. Bank south of Nablus

The Israel Defense Forces has been constructing a major new checkpoint south of Nablus, at the Zaatara (Tapuah) junction, for checking Palestinian cars arriving from the northern and western parts of the West Bank.
The checkpoint was decided upon by the IDF Central Command nine months ago, according to military sources. It will have 10 lanes: six for southbound vehicles; one non-check lane for Israeli cars; one lane for vehicles designated “humanitarian,” and two lanes for northbound vehicles.

The reported IDF measures over the last few days to sever the northern West Bank from its central region are nothing new. They were previously introduced as preventive or responsive measures, to a varying degree of harshness, and are integrated into the permanent plan, of which the new checkpoint forms a central part.
Nablus Governor Mahmoud Alloul believes the checkpoint will complete the IDF’s efforts over the past five years to disconnect Nablus and Jenin provinces from the rest of the West Bank – by closing roads to Palestinian traffic, blocking secondary roads, and erecting other mobile and immobile roadblocks.
Alloul told Haaretz last week that, based on the experience of the past few years – especially the development of the Qalandiyah checkpoint south of Ramallah – he has concluded that Israel will gradually treat the Zaatara checkpoint as “an international crossing,” which is ostensibly situated between Palestinian and Israeli territory, just as the Qalandiyah checkpoint grew from an improvised checkpoint into a crossing that looks like a border terminal. This will complete the transformation of the Nablus-Jenin region into a separate canton severed from the central West Bank, Alloul said.
A diplomatic source who has been monitoring restrictions on mobility in the West Bank sees the new checkpoint as part of the big picture of creating three separate blocs in the West Bank, through Israeli control over and expansion of roads running east-west, and by expanding construction in area settlements. In this way, the new checkpoint fits in with the ever-growing Trans-Samaria Highway and with a series of roadblocks cutting off the secondary roads exiting from the villages east of Tapuah junction.

Posted by: b | Oct 30 2005 14:27 utc | 34

you are quie right uncle $cam – the patriot acts – even through their convuluted language – are in real terms the enabling act of the nazis transformed into modern america – if anything the patriot acts are crueler in intent & more shameful in their obvious strategy
resistance as a hononourable act in the us of a is verboten

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 30 2005 14:38 utc | 35

whether you believe in invisible friends in the sky or not, today the people of Dresden opened up their beautiful cathedral which had been completely destroyed in the Allied firebombing of WWII.
Just wanted to share link

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 30 2005 21:19 utc | 36

thanks, dan, for the link. interesting that they mentioned that there is no military explanation for why dresden was bombed in the first place .
wasn’t it in order to shock and awe?

Posted by: gylangirl | Oct 31 2005 1:49 utc | 37

Cool dudes … (Independent 31/10/05)

As an example the unnamed official told delegates that Tanweer argued with a cashier that he had been short changed, after stopping off at a petrol station on his way to the intended target in London.

The official told the seminar held in Preston, Lancashire two weeks ago: “This is not the behaviour of a terrorist – you’d think this is normal.

“I’ve seen the CCTV footage of these people. They do not appear to be on their way to commit any crime at all. The Russell Square bomber [Hasib Hussain] is actually seen going into shops and bumping into people [prior to his attack].

.. he was filmed going into a McDonald’s take-away – before setting off his bomb on a No 30 bus in Tavistock Square, killing 13, more than an hour after the other terrorists had detonated their devices on the Tube trains.

The representative from the anti-terrorist branch warned officers at the seminar that terrorists may not necessarily act like people who are about to blow themselves up.

As for me .. I’m just not sure how much of an appetite I’d have for Maccas.

Posted by: DM | Oct 31 2005 2:25 utc | 38

Iran Fighting the West w/Modern Weapons. They hired a Brit. Propaganda/PR Firm.
Most TV news reports about Iran depict religious revolutionaries who promote militancy abroad and suppress human rights at home. But this is only part of the story:
1 Art-house Iranian films by such directors as Abbas Kiarostami and Mohsen Makhmalbaf wow foreign audiences. But the domestic film industry also churns out hundreds of more popular pictures. Last year’s big hit The Lizard, drew the clerics’ wrath for depicting a convict escaping prison disguised as a mullah. …

6 While official dress codes are very strict, many young Iranians delight in pushing back the boundaries of what is acceptable…

7 Skiing is a major pastime in mountainous parts of Iran, with pistes that rival those in Alpine resorts….

8 Iran has one of the only condom factories in the Middle East, and actively encourages contraception as a means of family planning. …
link

Posted by: jj | Oct 31 2005 2:55 utc | 39

The number of governments that were willing to directly support the Empires most recent unilateral actions, i.e. Aggressive war on the people of Iraq, always was rather small and seems to be further shrinking. Soon there’ll only be US, UK, AUS … and all the while the political capital of the empire slowly ebbs away, along with its influence … no wonder Bush & Co will see Berlusconi as treacherous …
It is most enlightening to be able to identify by the active members of the ‘Coalition of the willing’ which governments and political systems have been suborned … UK, Aus, Japan (rather timidly)(damn that pacifist US imposed constitution !) … Those that ‘step forward’ and continue to answer Empires call contrary to the will of thier electorates …
I wonder if spineless Berlusconi will simply turn neutral or allow a re-enactment of Italian actions of WWII and ‘turn’ on thier former Axis partner … then Nazi Germany, now the pseudo-Fascist USofA ?

I tried repeatedly to talk the US out of invading Iraq, says Berlusconi
· Italian PM tries to distance himself from White House
· Gadafy enlisted to help halt move towards war
John Hooper in Rome
Monday October 31, 2005
The Guardian
Silvio Berlusconi, one of George Bush’s closest allies, says he repeatedly tried to talk the US president out of invading Iraq, in comments to be broadcast today.
– snip –
Coming after Lewis Libby’s indictment capped a crisis week for the Bush administration, Mr Berlusconi’s remarks will be seen by many in Washington as treacherous. Italy’s prime minister is standing for re-election in just over five months and polls indicate that his support for Mr Bush is a major handicap. He became closely identified with Mr Bush soon after coming to office in 2001 and avoided criticism of US policy in the run-up to the war. In March 2003 he told parliament the use of force against Iraq was legitimate and Italy could not abandon the Americans “in their fight against terrorism”.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 31 2005 4:22 utc | 40

It would appear the constant background pressure from the US has finally resulted in movement re abandoning Japans (imposed) pacifist constitution and therefore adopting a more aggressive military and foriegn policy posture.
The US hawks believe this will allow them to re-allocate military resources and obtain a new ‘high profile’ ally, new ‘boots on the ground’, re its current and no doubt future military adventures … however, I would suggest as Japan comes out from under the US umbrella of ‘protection’ it will almost inevitably also go its ‘own way’ re policy … no longer being beholden for US strategic protection … and as its currently the second largest economy in the world …
Hmmm, the hawks should be carefull of what they wish for … they might not be ultimately happy with what they get …

EDITORIAL/ Constitutional revision: The LDP apparently put off debate on Article 9
10/31/2005
The Liberal Democratic Party has drafted a new Constitution that proposes changing the Self-Defense Forces to a “self-defense military,” clearly positioning it as a military force. Ever since its inception in 1955, the LDP has called for the establishment of an independent Constitution. At last, it has an official draft of its own.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 31 2005 5:21 utc | 41

ATOL has a rather detailed summary of the immediate and short term changes in the ‘initail’ re-militarization of Japan …

Japan, US closer in step
By Hisane Masaki
TOKYO – Japan and the United States on Saturday will sign an historic mutual-security agreement that, among other provisions, will allow for the first time an American nuclear-powered navy vessel to be based in a Japanese port.
The deal, which will be signed in Washington during a meeting of the two countries’ defense and foreign ministers, will also include a strategy for overall realignment of US forces in Japan.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 31 2005 5:37 utc | 42

” And it is bringing us no closer to solving the urgent problems posed to world peace by an increasingly complex Iran.”
Almost ALL “urgent problems posed to world peace,” are posed by the U.S. and its militaristic goal of controlling the entire world, as detailed very clearly in the PNAC (read it, if you haven’t). “An increasingly complex Iran” is hardly a problem. Confront bullshit when you see it.
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@fauxreal-
Arguing for an independent Kurdistan is highly problematic for the Left, if one really thinks out the implications of what is being advocated–namely, a homeland for any ethnic group that should claim it. In seeking to allay Kurdish suffering through the creation of its own state, one simply creates a new group of opressed, disenfranchised and stateless, namely the Sunnis, Shiites, Turkmen, Azaras, Christians etc. who happen to live on land claimed by the Kurds. They will have to be “ethnically cleansed” for the greater benefit of the Kurds. Where does this fascistic line of thinking stop? An examination of the history of the State of Israel gives us some guidelines for thinking about the consequences of attempting to ameliorate one case of justifed prejudice in just this way.
Following your argument, who could disagree with a Native American demand for a substantial portion of North and South America set aside for their own country. Is this ridiculous only because they are not militarily strong enough to demand this of the US?
Speaking as a Jew (yes, Malooga is a Jewish blogname, descended from along line of famous Jewish bloggers dating back to the 1700’s in Portugal!) who has known Iraqi, Morrocan and Iranian Jews, I would argue that Jewish culture was far more vibrant and interesting when there were thriving Jewish communities in these areas, as well as Cochin India, China, the West Indies (which in 1790 had more Jews than North America), etc.
So the true radical response, I would argue, is not for more “homelands”, but to support the rights of people, wherever they may be, to determine their destiny. Democracy through diversity.

Posted by: Malooga | Oct 31 2005 6:42 utc | 43

Despite Warnings, U.S. Leans on Syria

The Bush administration has increasingly focused on Syria as a central obstacle to its goals in the region, and wants to use outrage over the assassination to force Damascus to halt the flow of insurgents into Iraq, loosen its grip on neighboring Lebanon and end its support of Islamic militant groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
But some Arab leaders and other allies say the Syrian government is already fragile and isolated. They have warned that international sanctions or other measures could topple the regime, destabilizing an important corner of the Middle East and possibly opening the way for Islamist groups such as the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.
The outlawed organization, which is alleged by some to have ties to Al Qaeda, has been badly weakened by Assad’s government and that of his long-ruling father, Hafez Assad. However, it still is widely considered to have the broadest base of support of any Syrian opposition group.
Some Israeli officials have been quoted in Jerusalem recently as privately warning that Assad’s fall could stir chaos on Israel’s northern border and hand power to the Muslim Brotherhood.
A senior administration official acknowledged the risk, and that U.S. officials had found no preferable successor. Nevertheless, he said that in meetings of top U.S. officials, “no one is arguing that we shouldn’t push them too hard. Quite the opposite.”
The official, who declined to be identified because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the issue, suggested that the United States might be able to work with the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood’s organizations are mainstream in some countries, he said, though extreme in others.

These folks are mad.

Posted by: b | Oct 31 2005 10:43 utc | 44

@ b
On the contrary, setting up a Muslim Brotherhood
government in Syria, (or allying with the even nuttier
MEK against Iran) is perfectly coherent strategy, though not for the U.S. Nothing is better for Israel than
a certifiably fanatical party governing one of its regional rivals: it justifies all “precautionary measures”. Moreover, such governments are usually corrupt and “penetrable”. From the Israeli point of view it’s a “win-win” situation.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 31 2005 11:07 utc | 45

The Italian “stop” of the mighty Wurlitzer has once
again been pulled, as La Repubblica published the first of a new series of articles of U.S.-Italian collaboration in preparing for the war in Iraq. The translation is provided by the ever helpful Nur-al Cubicle.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 31 2005 11:34 utc | 46

Next United States Supreme Court Associate Justice ?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 31 2005 12:41 utc | 47

Today’s “liberated” Krugman column

Let me be frank: it has been a long political nightmare. For some of us, daily life has remained safe and comfortable, so the nightmare has merely been intellectual: we realized early on that this administration was cynical, dishonest and incompetent, but spent a long time unable to get others to see the obvious. For others – above all, of course, those Americans risking their lives in a war whose real rationale has never been explained – the nightmare has been all too concrete.
So is the nightmare finally coming to an end? Yes, I think so.

So the Bush administration has lost the myths that sustained its mojo, and with them much of its power to do harm. But the nightmare won’t be fully over until two things happen.
First, politicians will have to admit that they were misled. Second, the news media will have to face up to their role in allowing incompetents to pose as leaders and political apparatchiks to pose as patriots.
It’s a sad commentary on the timidity of most Democrats that even now, with Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s former chief of staff, telling us how policy was “hijacked” by the Cheney-Rumsfeld “cabal,” it’s hard to get leading figures to admit that they were misled into supporting the Iraq war. Kudos to John Kerry for finally saying just that last week.
And as for the media: these days, there is much harsh, justified criticism of the failure of major news organizations, this one included, to exert due diligence on rationales for the war. But the failures that made the long nightmare possible began much earlier, during the weeks after 9/11, when the media eagerly helped our political leaders build up a completely false picture of who they were.
So the long nightmare won’t really be over until journalists ask themselves: what did we know, when did we know it, and why didn’t we tell the public?

Posted by: b | Oct 31 2005 13:09 utc | 48

b, This is long so feel free to delete if you need to, or I can break it up but I think you will find it well worth the bandwidth it is the translated La Repubblica article that Hannah K. O’Luthon posted above. I just bought a kick-ass tranlation software program and it translates up to 20 languages.
The details of the secret operations of ours 007 on the field
for “mappare the defense of Saddam and contacting the sources”
From Chalabi to the agents Iranians
the war of the Sismi in Iraq
To Rome the summit strategic with the Pentagon

by CARL BONINI and GIUSEPPE D’.avanzo
The details of the secret operations of ours 007 on the field
for “mappare the defense of Saddam and contacting the sources”
From Chalabi to the agents Iranians
the war of the Sismi in Iraq
To Rome the summit strategic with the Pentagon
of CARL BONINI and GIUSEPPE D’.avanzo
ROME – He is high a managing one of the political-military intelligence. He is a man of the Sismi. It cuts to the strait corridor of the bar of the Eden hotel of via Ludovisi slowly. It appears rilassato. S’ lingers to watch, through the wide windows, the sky and the sweet profile of Rome in the sun of you open them (is the 22 you open them of 2003). He is elegant in its grisaglia of “civil employee of the Presidency of the Council”. It chooses a table to the center of the terrace. The waiter catches up it with sollecitudine. The man orders one spremuta of orange and a double coffee. The Anglo-American participation in Iraq is begun in the night between the 19 and 20 March, trentatré days before.
Today that Silvio Berlusconi reveals not to never have supported the military participation in Iraq, it is useful to tell as our Country, to the contrary of how much says the premier, has been been involved on the field in the war operations.
It must say with which agreements; to explain which they have been the action plans, plans to you from who and with who.
“For Italian we – the managing one of the Sismi to Republic tells high – the war in Iraq is begun before Been born them of 2002….”. Sorride. It is allegro and there is a light of excitation in its eyes and seems not possession wants, in order once, to suffocate that personal satisfaction behind one icy mask. Singular what. Never seen satisfied, that man. Always aware “that can be made more and better”.
Too much balanced in order to boast itself of the successes. Too much stubborn in order to let to dishearten from the defeats. He says: “it has been a new fact, has been one revolution for our intelligence . Never, in its history, the Sismi has been been involved with much relief in a military operation on the land and, with a capital role therefore in one war campaign. The government? Sure, he authorizes to you from the government, us lacks other… Is one war at all a practice… The score of men who we have sent in Iraq has risked the skin… “. S’ azzitta. The coffee arrives. It drinks slowly socchiudendo of it appeal to the eyes.
The continuous man: “they have been engages one score to you of men of three directions of the Sismi: Military intelligence, Operations, Anti-terrorism. They are uniforms in unit in the areas of Kirkuk, Bagdad, Bassora, protect from covers many fantasiose. Every unit ignored the identity and the job entrusted to the others. Ognuna has had the assignment to move in a territory handkerchief and to work with a sure number of “sources” already characterized and “prepared”. It objects were substantially two: to mappare the defense irachene and to measure it want to fight of the high pictures of the Armed Forces.
If the war that fights laggiù is not therefore cruenta, it must to this job that we have naturally not sbrigato alone. If we have won before that it came shot a single blow, must the happened one of the infiltration and of that we have gained some “.
* * *
The history of the Italian military participation in Iraq begins when resident scholar of the American Enterprise Institute (Aie) Michael Ledeen, sponsored from the minister of the Defense Antonio Martino, disembarks to Rome with men of the Pentagon in order to meet a fist of “outlaws Iranians”. The encounter is organized from the Sismi. In “a covered” apartment of the service near Public square of Spain (second other sources, in one classified room of the hotel Park of the Principles).
Around to a great table, covered from maps of the Iraq, the Iran and Syria there are more or less venticinque men. Those that they count indeed are Lawrence Franklin and Harold Rhode of the Office of Special Plans of the Pentagon, Michael Ledeen (Aie), capocentro of the Sismi accompanied from its an assistant (“a man stempiato between the 46 and 48 years; other young one, on the 38, with an apparatus to the teeth”), mysterious Iranians.
Pollari confirmation to Republic the meeting. “When the minister me churches to supply to that encounter, me incuriosii. In bottom, it is my trade and I am not been born yesterday. It is true, were also my men to the reunion. I wanted to know that what bubbled in pot… Is true, were papers of the Iraq and of the Iran on the table and those lì many outlaws Iranians did not have to be. They went and they came from Tehran with their passport and without some difficulty I lack were transparent to the eyes of the pasdaran… “.
Therefore, the Iranians are not outlaws. They are not oppositori of the regimen of the Ayatollahs. They are men of the regimen, sendes you of Tehran. If it is asked Washington that devil they make us, to the eve of the war, the Iranians to Rome, elbow to elbow with people of the Pentagon, can be collected some good information. In order to pull some thread of the garbuglio, it must listen to a source of the intelligence American who asks to remain anonymous. It says: “In Italy you have always underrated the job of poisoning of Ahmed Chalabi, the leader of the Iraqi National Congress (Inc). You have the tendency to omit this understood it of your history because thoughts that Ahmed has been only transaction ours. It is not therefore: it has been also transaction yours, more than how much you have up to now imagined or known “.
It must say who is Ahmed Chalabi. Favourite of neo-with, Chalabi is person in charge from the “hawks” of the Pentagon of veicolare to the European intelligences news on the proliferation of the crews of obtained destruction of mass from presumed scientists that the regimen has disertato. To being person in charge of the news collection and the construction of the “legends”, she is the responsible of the intelligence of Chalabi, Aras Habib Karim.
Aras is a key man. It coordinates the Intelligence Collection Programme. It manages and it manifactures the “production” of the dissidents. It is a curdo sciita, little less than cinquantenne, most clever, bad, a wizard of the doppiogioco and the counterfeiting of documents. With one particularitity: from always the Cia an agent considers it “Iranian”. According to key man he is an American, Francis Brooke.
False dossier the Italian one on the uranio nigerino arrives also, is not known indeed because, in its hands. Brooke holds the connections with Condoleezza Rice and Paul Wolfowitz and between Pentagon and the Iraqi National Congress. It is ascoltatissimo, also more than Chalabi, to Tehran.
It continues the Source of the USA intelligence: “Ahmed Chalabi and its better men – Karim, Brooke – move in square with send you of the Pentagon and the American Enterprise Institute. An example in order to understand better. The three men who, in 2004, alternate themselves to Bagdad to the flank of Chalabi as “official of connection” with the Pentagon they are Michael Rubin, president of the American Enterprise Institute; Harold Rhode, assistant to the Office of Special Plans di Douglas Feith and councilman “for the transactions Muslims” of Paul Wolfowitz. It happens therefore also in Italy to the eve of the war.
The reunions, than are convened to Rome, collect the representatives of all the square: Michael To Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute; Larry Franklin and Harold Rhode of the Office of Special Plans; the colonels of the Iraqi National Congress; in more the iracheni sciiti of the Supreme Council for the revolution Muslim in Iraq (Sciri) and naturally the “guardiani of the revolution”. It is this the parterre of Rome. Interesting, not “. Interesting.
* * *
We discover that the winning paper is sciita that the Iran plays in the conflict in via of planning after the attack to the the 11 Towers of september. Tehran decides to spend “for one reasonable guarantee of the strategic interests Iranians in the area”. The Americans, pragmati to us, must hold account of the infuence Iranian on sciita community (the 65 for hundreds of the iracheni). The Ayatollahs have a “national interest” in the change of regimen to Bagdad. A freed Iraq the power of the Sunnites can give to Tehran one greater political infuence and chances of government to the sciiti ones of the supreme Council of the revolution of the Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim, supported accommodated and protect in Iran, with its military arm, the Sadr Brigades (from 7 to 15 mila men). Wonder therefore that the square of Chalabi (is not or they are not, its colonels, also agents Iranians), is received to Tehran with the dignity and the attention that reservoir to one diplomatic delegation.
The political context is this that concurs with the Sciri to collaborate with the Bush administration to the fabrication of the pretests of the war.
Aras Habib Karim organizes, with the Intelligence Collection Programme, the detections of the deserters iracheni. The Sciri offers to the Pentagon one confirmation to their detections apparently “independent”, in truth agreed with the group of Chalabi under the supervision of the intelligence agencies of Tehran.
If a transfuga, “worked” to London from the Inc, declares that Saddam Hussein “is trying to develop to a new type of crews chemistries”, the military leader of the Brigades Sadr, Abdalaziz al-Hakim, in visit to Washington, delivery to the civil employees Americans “a document of the intelligence Iranian who demonstrates as the dictator has authorized the regional commanders to use crews biological chemistries and against every sciita resistance that can is to us in attack case American”.
We have learned to know the module of the disinformation. They appear but protagonists who we did not know had trod the Italian scenes to the eve of the war. We see one to them beside the other, hour. They participate to the meeting of Rome. Programming of Michael To Ledeen on behalf of the Office of Special Plans of the Pentagon. Political sponsorship (to feel Pollari) of the minister of the Defense, Antonio Martino. Technical organization of the Sismi.
* * *
How many frottole on this reunion. It is served, has been said in these years, “in order to save screw human in Afghanistan”. Then, “in order to program with esuli Iranians the support to the popular masses Iranians” of which a vagheggia able renaissance to overthrow the regimen of the Ayatollahs. He has said himself that it has been useful “to characterize the interests of the Iran in Afghanistan”. Finally, like law in a “Note” of the Sismi, in order “to obtain information on presumed ties with Al-Qa’ ida and the role played from some Middle Eastern governments in the relationships with the international terrorism”.
In everyone of these interchanging pictures a such one has a role of primattore called Manucher Ghorbanifar. Iranian of birth, resident – for whom if it knows some – between Paris and Geneva, Ghorbanifar does not have one good reputation. For some, she is a dealer of crews. For others, a counterfeiter. For the civil branch of our intelligence , a secret agent of Tehran. For an agency of the intelligence American, an agent of the Mossad. For others, the most clever one cacciaballe. For other anchor, all these things together. To the contrary the Iranian is a smaller personage, to how much seems.
It is the lepre that the organizers of the meeting throw between the feet of the ficcanaso for condurli far away from the place of the crime, and above all to the wide one from the motive.
He tells the USA source to Republic : “Manucher Ghorbanifar offers only a London source in degree, seems, to indicate to Bagdad where to find the uranio enriched stoccato from Saddam to the eve of the war. Ledeen infioretta then the history reporting that the “contact” of Ghorbanifar has known also that the Iran is trying to acquire this uranio and that the cancellations emitted from the radioactive material in lying have contaminated some technicians iracheni of which knows the identity.
After you strike and you beat again between Cia and Pentagono, the London source of Ghorbanifar comes lead, to expenses of the Agency, Bagdad in order to collaborate to the location of the place in which the uranio is found. The man, after to have carried to I walk for some day the men of Langley, asks 50 mila dollars in order to refresh the memory of persons who, to Bagdad, can help it in the searches. Obviously, those buffone comes dismissed with a soccer in the culo… “.
Therefore, to leave to lose Manucher Ghorbanifar.
The meeting of Rome to the Park of the Principles or in the house of Public square of Spain – but probably in one and the other place – it must connect three segments of intelligence . The Sismi di Nicolò Pollari. The Iraqi National Congress di Ahmed Chalabi. The “supreme Council of the revolution” and the Brigades Sadr di Muhammad and Abdalaziz al-Hakim. Integration of the job and the “product” of the three “nets” can offer essential information to the planning of the Anglo-American military participation and, above all, a concrete appraisal of the consistency of the saddamite defense; of the will to fight of its it generates them; of the arsenal of crews of which Saddam, to here the influence operations , indeed it has. Ognuna of the three intelligences can put on the table an ace that will return good to the Pentagon.
The Sismi boasts the good contacts with the officials who, in Years Eighty, were train to you in Italy. With the time, they are becomes to you informing and “sources”. The Iraqi National Congress counts on the deserters of the regimen. The Sciri is caretaker of the constant monitoring of the territory because, it explains to Republic Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim before being killed 18 March 2003, “the Sadr Brigades, with independent military services one from the other, are to Bagdad, in the Kurdistan iracheno, the south Iranian”. Above all in this area, from Kerbala and Najaf until Bassora and to the peninsula of to the Faw, to the border with the Kuwait, no movement escapes to the informative invisibile network sciita disposed in the zone not flight to south of 3ésimo the parallel, the fundamental territory for whichever earth invasion.
The operations plans you of the Pentagon preview that the war activities on the land “are oriented” from the information that the intelligences will be in a position to stealing in Iraq, $R-oltre.la.linea of the forehead. The information will come collections from the Anglo-American unified Commando in real time, intercrossed, elaborated and therefore transformed in instructions to the combatant units. The idea is to its elementary way. “To illuminate”, from the inside of the Country, it objects to it to you, the devices you of defense and counterattack of an enemy of which the exact breakup of the military forces and the military services camouflaged between the civil population is ignored. There is also according to address of job, quite more important of the first one.
To here of the lines, “it infiltrates it to you” will have to prepare the land for a “secret pact” (safqa, in Arab)”for the yield of the Country”. The pact “previews a package of salvacondotti for the commanders of the republican Guard, of the military services of the Baath party and the fedayn of the president”. In according to moment, the Americans will take care themselves “to offer laute ricompense, the possibility to reside in the United States, with to their families, and above all to carry out a role of I enunciate in connection with some factions of the opposition irachena, before between all the Iraqi National Congress”.
Beside the Sciri and to the men of Chalabi, Italy will be able to make its part in this sale of the regimen to Bagdad and Bassora, tutt’ other that disowned to our military counterespionage. However, the participation in Mesopotamia, its first part (until “the mission is completed” of Bush) has not been other that “simple corruption of a fatiscente system of civil employees that has been sold in block to the Cia”. The agents of the Sismi put themselves to the job. It is the moment to return on the terrace of the Eden and to still listen to the man of the Sismi.
(1 – he continues)
(31 October 2005)

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 31 2005 13:23 utc | 49

Hannah- thanks for the heads up on the new La R. articles. They’re really doing some amazing work.
Malooga- I’m not arguing for (or against) any of these nations…I’m just saying that the Kurds have just as much claim to a nation as the Palestinians, imo. Kurdistan was a nation, not simply an ethnic group, that got shafted after the wars of the last century that shook the world, including the Middle East. The kurds are stateless because their cause was not supported, and the genocide they have experienced is just as bad.
The middle east didn’t sit out ww2. Iran became Iran, instead of Persia, to proclaim its Aryan heritage during the time.
And, yeah, you could argue that Native Americans deserve the land they agreed to share with the white settlers.
And, yes, the issue of whether or not Israel as a Jewish land is still contentious among some factions in Judaism…I think the Orthodox argument (simplifed, I know) that nationalism corrupts religion is a valid one.
I agree with you about diversity. The issue is govts that respect the right of others to exist…there is always a minority in a population that always needs laws to respect its rights and its differences.
This attitude extends to the entire earth, the diversity and inter-relatedness of life on earth, and the realization of humankind’s place as part of the whole, not the reason for the earth’s existence.
This lack of respect, between people and more, is the tragedy of human “civilization.”
But how do people achieve peace when they have competing desires?

Posted by: fauxreal | Oct 31 2005 13:30 utc | 50

with all due respect to the translation software, Nur al-Cubicle has it beat. compare 1st paragraphs…
this is hers-
ROME: He’s another politico-military intelligence chief. He’s a SISMI man. He slowly saunters down the narrow hallway of the bar at the Hotel Eden in via Ludovisi. He stops to admire the sky and the attractive skyline of Rome in the April sun (it is 22 April 2003) through the hotel’s large windows. He looks elegant in his President’s Council grisaille. [Berlusconi presides over the “President’s Council”–Nur]. He selects a table at the center of the terrace. The waiter walks over and solicitously takes his order. The gentleman orders a freshly-squeezed orange juice and a double espresso. The Anglo-American invasion of Iraq began on the night of 19-20 March, thirty-three days earlier.

Posted by: fauxreal | Oct 31 2005 13:39 utc | 51

Who is Francis Brooke you may ask… he is the chief assistant in Washington to Ahmed Chalabi, head of the Iraqi National Congress. Brooke also was principal founder and director of the Iraq Liberation Action Committee, which favored Hussein’s ouster.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 31 2005 13:43 utc | 52

@fauxreal et al,
faux pas, sorry, you are correct fauxreal. I clicked Hannah’s second link above and it was still in Italian. Without reading the Nur al-Cubicle part, I guess I assumed that the translation link was a tech-glitch and didn’t come through and was excited to use my new software (Which obviously needs more tweaking). bleh… 😉
‘E’ for effort right?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 31 2005 14:02 utc | 53

@ Uncle, Faux and others
I agree that the Repubblica is publishing fascinating material, and Nur’s translations which arrive almost simultaneously are very useful for non-Italian speaking Moonies. Somebody is trying to “help us”, which is both a welcome novelty, and cause for some hesitation: caveat lector .
The same can be said of this old link to EIR, which I find extremely interesting in the light of Glencore AG’s appearance on the Volcker list (ignored by “responsible media”, of course). It goes without saying that I would be every bit as much interested in rebutal as in confirmation of the abundant information in the latter. It may be specious, but at least it is detailed. Moreover, it casts a different light on the indictment of Libby.

The whole affair is fascinating even when viewed merely as a psychodrama: what is the interplay of corruption, greed, patriotism (Israeli or American), naivté, manipulation by unseen controllers, arrogance, misbegotten idealism and, of course, simple incompetence? Who are the dupes and who are the manipulators?

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 31 2005 14:11 utc | 54

Watch what you say, what you do, and what you wear!
Anti-snitching apparel becomes hot fashion trend
“Stop Snitching” T-shirts are one of Milwaukee’s hottest fashion trends. […] The shirts’ message – interpreted with slightly varying twists – essentially urges people to stop talking to and cooperating with police. […] But the shirts are fueling more than fashion, police and prosecutors say. They send a dangerous message to others that, if followed, has the potential to “destabilize the whole criminal justice system,” according to John Chisholm, Milwaukee County assistant district attorney.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 31 2005 15:20 utc | 55

Precision bombing:
US says bombs Qaeda house, Iraqis say 40 dead

RAMADI, Iraq, Oct 31 (Reuters) – U.S. aircraft bombed a house near the Syrian border before dawn on Monday in what the military said was a precision strike on an al Qaeda leader.
A local hospital doctor in the Iraqi town of Qaim said 40 people were killed and 20 wounded, many of them women and children, and a tribal leader said there were no guerrillas in the area.
A U.S. military spokesman said the precision bombing in Karabila, close to Qaim, was meant to avoid civilian casualties.

Posted by: b | Oct 31 2005 18:02 utc | 56

Money for Nothing

Billions of dollars have disappeared, gone to bribe Iraqis and line contractors’ pockets.
When the final page is written on America’s catastrophic imperial venture, one word will dominate the explanation of U.S. failure—corruption. Large-scale and pervasive corruption meant that available resources could not be used to stabilize and secure Iraq in the early days of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), when it was still possible to do so. Continuing corruption meant that the reconstruction of infrastructure never got underway, giving the Iraqi people little incentive to co-operate with the occupation. Ongoing corruption in arms procurement and defense spending means that Baghdad will never control a viable army while the Shi’ite and Kurdish militias will grow stronger and produce a divided Iraq in which constitutional guarantees will be irrelevant.
The American-dominated Coalition Provisional Authority could well prove to be the most corrupt administration in history, almost certainly surpassing the widespread fraud of the much-maligned UN Oil for Food Program. At least $20 billion that belonged to the Iraqi people has been wasted, together with hundreds of millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars. Exactly how many billions of additional dollars were squandered, stolen, given away, or simply lost will never be known because the deliberate decision by the CPA not to meter oil exports means that no one will ever know how much revenue was generated during 2003 and 2004.

Posted by: b | Oct 31 2005 18:15 utc | 57

@uncle $cam, you have sd ” I just bought a kick-ass tranlation software program and it translates up to 20 languages” – could you tell me what it is & its capacity – i work in two sometimes three languages & it would be a great help – tho i am using an old blavk powebook
hkol – it is what the evil spymaster james jesus angleton called a wilderness of mirrors

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 31 2005 18:26 utc | 58

Just in case there may be a MoA reader labouring under the misapprehension that the Volcker report has revealed a nest of ‘corrupt anything for a buck raghead lovers’, I thought I’d throw in this link from my fishwrap about a beekeeping supply business in NZ that has fallen foul of the Volck’s beady eye.
If the owner’s take on the saga is correct this company slipped into Volcker’s field of view because the UN had a record of their transaction. The reason the UN had a record of the transaction was that the company owner, offended when some petty Iraqi bureaucrat tried to stick him up for 30 grand, foolishly thought that the United Nations may be some use in protecting his business from extortion.
Of course as far as Volcker is concerned this business entity is ideal for exposure being as it doesn’t work for big oil and is unlikely to have any of the gang (ie repug lobbyists) on the payroll. True it also doesn’t appear to have indulged in corrupt practises, but let’s not be letting facts get in the way of a good story.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 31 2005 20:25 utc | 59

thanks Debs. Tells us the Kleptocracy runs things. Bets on blowback…
Here’s some Encouraging News. MaleMuslim Women Meet in Barcelona to change MaleMuslimism into Muslismism
Marching under the banner of a new “gender jihad”, Islamic feminists from around the world this weekend launched what they hope will become a global movement to liberate Muslim women.
The meeting, which drew women from as far apart as Malaysia, Mali, Egypt and Iran, set itself the task of squaring Islam with feminism.

With issues to address such as the stoning to death of women, polygamy and the legal inferiority of women in some countries, progressives at the meeting admitted there was a long climb ahead.
The greatest danger was the spread of the radically conservative, Saudi-backed schools of Islam. “They don’t want to go forward, they want to go back,” said Prof Wadud, who also led mixed prayers at the Barcelona meeting.
Raheel Raza, a Canadian of Pakistani origin who has followed Prof Wadud’s example and led mixed-sex prayers in Canada, said it was not easy to break the mould. “I already have a fatwa against me. I don’t want to be murdered on the street,” she said.
British Muslims were strikingly absent from the conference, which was led by western converts and emigrant families. Ghettoisation and the influence of Saudi-trained preachers were blamed for driving some second-generation immigrants in western countries into the hands of fundamentalists.

Clearly the West has a problem w/the Goddamn Wacko Saudis trying to transplant their Madness over here – probably invited by Pat Robertson & Georgie.

Posted by: jj | Oct 31 2005 21:08 utc | 60

Speaking of fishwrap, the Guardian is rapidly heading there as well. Check out this Guardian interview w/Noam Chomsky, on occasion of him being chosen Leading Public Intellectual. Nothing even to quote. Distressing to see such Childish Amateurish Drivel from Britain’s once great leftish paper. But then NYT just has a Blackout Policy on his thinking. If it were a really great paper, he’d write regular op-eds.

Posted by: jj | Oct 31 2005 21:17 utc | 61

Another post rated:CD (CRITICAL DESERNMENT)
Grab your tin foil, cause this one is a showstopper…
Is Avian Flu another Pentagon Hoax?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 31 2005 22:25 utc | 62

The new president received immediate pledges of bipartisan support from Democratic leaders. “We think the American people want unity and closure in these difficult times,” said Senator Hillary Clinton of New York. “They don’t want us to take partisan political advantage of the Republicans’ little spot of bother.”

Posted by: DM | Nov 1 2005 5:06 utc | 63

@Uncle $cam
The Critical Discernment caveat should first be applied to the deluge of media bullshit.
I don’t know who’s hoax this is – but it is some sort of a hoax. The worldwide resonance of this constant barrage of “coulds” “mights” and general scaremongoring is chilling in that I can’t recall even one “journalist” or commentator asking some simple questions like “what’s different?” “why is this ‘possible’ pandemic any more possible now than it was 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 50 years ago ?” H5N1 ? Is this the first fucking disease to even have been carried by migrating birds ?

Posted by: DM | Nov 1 2005 5:27 utc | 64

Regarding the articel about Craig Sikut who was arrested for haveing false CIA and other government ID. This individual lost his job with the Navel Investigative service, and I believe he lost his job at UPS. I knew him-a very strange guy.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 10 2006 21:37 utc | 65