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October 8, 2005
Elementary School Math

1. About 20,000 GIs have been wounded and killed in the War on Iraq.
2. The U.S. military says there are about 20,000 insurgents in Iraq.
3. There are some 150,000 GIs in Iraq.
4. Assume that the GIs are about as effective as the insurgents.

Q: How many Iraqis have been wounded and killed by GIs?

Comments

And how many bullets did the US have to buy from Israel to accomplish all this, after their own munitions factories couldn’t meet demand?
And how many soldiers will die in the next ten years, at home, sick and neglected?
And how many Iraqi babies will be born deformed?

Posted by: Noisette | Oct 8 2005 19:51 utc | 1

On the same 1:1 ratio, all 20,000 insurgents have been killed or wounded plus 130,000 “other” Iraqis. Which begs the question: Who are we fighting now?

Posted by: Ensley | Oct 8 2005 20:31 utc | 2

Who cares in America?

Posted by: Friendly Fire | Oct 8 2005 21:23 utc | 3

The families of those 20,000 injured and dead GIs. Too bad none of them are in office.

Posted by: Pyrrho | Oct 8 2005 22:37 utc | 4

I’ve seen 2 stories on this issue that suggest an answer:
Knight Ridder, Sept. 2004:
Operations by U.S. and multinational forces and Iraqi police are killing twice as many Iraqis – most of them civilians – as attacks by insurgents, according to statistics compiled by the Iraqi Health Ministry and obtained exclusively by Knight Ridder.
Iraq Body Count Study, July 2005:
US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims…
Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims.
Tell me again that we’re there for the sake of the Iraqi people.
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Posted by: Vin Carreo | Oct 9 2005 3:33 utc | 5

Given the much greater firepower available to American forces, and their lax rules of engagement grounded in the US military’s obsession with force protection, it is probable that the ratio is significantly higher than 1:1 in the US’ favor.
When the definitive history of the Iraq debacle is finally written one of the central questions with which it must come to terms is how the armed forces that crushed Saddam in six weeks and which the historical illiterati proclaimed to be “the greatest fighting force in the history of the world” went on to suffer America’s greatest defeat since Vietnam. To a large extent that story begins and ends with the unwillingness of America’s elites to acknoweldge the human cost to Iraq of the policies they have imposed on it.

Posted by: Lexington | Oct 9 2005 3:53 utc | 6

Good piece on guestimating the size of the Iraqi resistance over on Global Guerrillas

The frequency, dispersion, and depth of attacks indicates a large force.
The resiliency of the insurgency despite substantial casualties and arrests (estimated at 1-2,000 a month) suggests a larger force.
The number of men who have become effectively “stateless” and “jobless” is very large.

And the number is… 184,800 men.

Posted by: PeeDee | Oct 9 2005 7:45 utc | 7

A week before that omnious constitution vote in Iraq this is ridicules:
Bargain Sought on Iraqi Charter A Week Ahead of Historic Vote

One week before Iraqis vote on a constitution intended to remake their nation, U.S. and Arab diplomats are scrambling to broker last-minute concessions from Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish faction leaders that would persuade the Sunni Arab minority to drop its opposition to the proposed charter and defuse the country’s Sunni-led insurgency.
Saudi Arabian and Jordanian officials, at the urging of U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, have called on Sunni politicians in Iraq to stick with negotiations until Monday, Iraqi and U.S. officials said. Iraqi lawmakers say Monday is the last possible date for bargaining over the language of the constitution, which will be put to voters next Saturday. Ballots are already being printed at a plant in Europe, and the first of millions of copies of the proposed constitution have been distributed across Iraq.

Some U.S. officials say they hope Sunni turnout will be large enough to give legitimacy to the referendum but too weak to defeat the constitution. Some officials say that having to begin the constitution-drafting process all over again would only worsen instability and push back the possible withdrawal of troops from Iraq. Others, including Gen. George Casey, head of U.S. forces in Iraq, say settling on a compact that shuts out the Sunnis would do the same.

But it doesn´t matter – the vote will change nothing.

Posted by: b | Oct 9 2005 8:46 utc | 8

The on-going saga of the Iraqi constitution is as absurd as the last election, when the candidates refused to identify themselves for fear of being assassinated. This time the Constitution is not identifying itself for fear of being assassinated. Actually, to the White House, the content of the Constitution doesn’t matter as long as they can rig a vote to get ‘it’ passed. After ‘it’ is passed, they will tell us what exactly it contained, making it all up as they go on, as usual. I swear to God, you couldn’t make this stuff up, if you tried.

Posted by: Knut Wicksell | Oct 9 2005 19:26 utc | 9

It seems to me that tagging a # on the “insurgents” is somewhat pointless – it’s an assumption that they Iraqi resistance is playing by something relating to the normal rules of war where two armies are tossed out in uniform and shoot at one another til one of them runs away. I would guess that the number of insurgents predicted by the US military of 20,000 is something close to correct, in terms of there being a much smaller number of men whose job, as it were, is to travel around Iraq trying to kill American soldiers. (20K is still probably low, but 40 or 50K seem entirely reasonable).
The problem is, in order to fight those few dedicated insurgents, the US has to fight dirty in urban areas, basically guaranteeing new recruits. In addition to that, there’s probably a huge amount of the population with is sympathetic, to some degree or another, to the insurgents. Whether it be joining in gunfights when the opportunity arrives, or turning a blind eye when something is being planned…well, I wouldn’t be surprised if that form of insurgents was closer to the millions than the tens of thousands.

Posted by: Rowan | Oct 10 2005 17:18 utc | 10

Foriegn trained terrorists, like Al Qaeda. The are flocking across the Iraqi border in droves looking to kill Americans or meet their maker… most of them are are getting killed by our excellent military forces.

Posted by: Martin | Feb 16 2007 1:48 utc | 11