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September 20, 2005
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After reading Kos today, I’m reminded of Edgar Allan Poe’s Masque of the Red Death with Bush (or Cheney) as King Prospero. Posted by: Lupin | Sep 20 2005 8:15 utc | 2 “We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq, and these are policies that we are going to keep in place.” – Colin Powell, FEB 2001 Posted by: The Truth | Sep 20 2005 8:25 utc | 3 Josh Marshall at 9:31 pm: Posted by: aloyisius | Sep 20 2005 11:28 utc | 4
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Posted by: annie | Sep 20 2005 15:51 utc | 7 I’m amused by the part of the Miami Herald article linked to by mistah charley, above, where they talk about Tamiflu. A little nugget picked up from reading about the 1918 epidemic: by the time you start to exhibit flu symptoms, you have been contagious for an extended period (exact numbers vary depending on the variety of flu), which means that you have potentially infected lots of other people. The idea that you could halt (or even slow down) an avian flu epidemic using Tamiflu is silly, unless by extremely unlikely chance nobody leaves the area where the epidemic starts for about two days. (Think about it: even if the WHO has a separate stockpile of Tamiflu in each country in the world, it will take time to notice that an outbreak has started, then more time to get the doses there…) All it would take is one person hopping on a plane before noticing the symptoms, and a Tamiflu stockpile is useless to slow down the spread. Also, I find it worrying that so many people are thinking of avian flu as something we can build a vaccine for. The whole point of H5N1 being so scary is that it mutates really, really fast compared with most human varieties of flu. Meaning that by the time a vaccine is ready (the delay is measured in weeks at best), it is probably already useless, having been prepared for an old version of the virus. Avian flu spreads to humans = humanity really screwed. (Although it would probably be good news for the environment.) A couple of other points to ponder: the 1918 epidemic came in two waves. First there was a relatively mild wave (meaning that the number of deaths would not make any top 10 lists for the 20th century) and then, just when everyone was getting back on their feet again, a fresh wave came back, much deadlier than before, and really screwed things up. The second one is the one that pushed the 1918 epidemic into the record books, and from what I have read, it made no difference to people’s immunity to the second wave whether or not they had been infected by the first. (Nobody is sure whether that means the two were completely distinct, or whether the second was a mutation of the first.) So if there’s a pandemic coming, everyone make sure they don’t let their guard down if they survive the first part, until a month or two has passed. The other thing: it has been suggested that the epidemic of encephalitis lethargica (the “Sleepy Sickness” that Oliver Sacks wrote about in Awakenings) was an aftereffect of the 1918 influenza pandemic—what would now be termed a “post-influenza syndrome”. (I’ve even seen speculation that the reason Wilson didn’t push the 14 points, which would have removed one of the prime reasons, or at least excuses, for World War Two, was because he was suffering from a neurological post-influenza syndrome; according to contemporary reports, after getting over the flu, he never again had the energy that he once did. Interesting question, eh?) Who knows what post-H5N1 syndromes await us? Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Sep 20 2005 19:01 utc | 8 Karzai Wants End to U.S.-Led Operations
Ok – let’s pack up and get home. Finally Kerry says something I like:
Frankenstein’s monster is on the loose Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 20 2005 20:16 utc | 11 Again, I urge Barflies to separate the real dangers from not real ones. And when considering the flu, at the risk of boring older Barflies, I’ve got to say again that my experience has taught me to be careful what I laugh at, lest the last laugh be on me. The silliest, craziest, stupidest thing I’d ever heard of actually wards off & cures the flu. It’s kind of embarrassing even to discuss it – but the sick are generally not finicky about the cure, esp. when it costs $2.00 & only involves drinking a glass of stuff that doesn’t taste bad. If no one knows the precise mechanism about how it works, or it sounds funny, you don’t care at that point. Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2005 20:17 utc | 12 Finally Kerry says something I like: You’re right, JJ. What’s really scary is the way we are no being encouraged to think about being grateful for a government that protects us from enemies they have gone out of their way to create. the flu is a non-issue Somebody on a thread said Kerry was paid $13M to go away quietly after ’04 fraud. Anyone know anything about that? Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2005 20:42 utc | 16 b, it obviously doesn’t work for bacteria which have to be killed by antibiotics, but does fine for the cluster of viruses that go by the name of the flu/colds. Posted by: jj | Sep 20 2005 20:45 utc | 17 jj Posted by: Juannie | Sep 20 2005 22:14 utc | 18 it obviously doesn’t work for bacteria which have to be killed by antibiotics, But it is one immune system that has to deal with all biological intrusions. Feed the immune system. Feed the soil. Lets appreciate and utilize to the best of our intelligence the age old genetic intelligences. Posted by: Juannie | Sep 21 2005 0:10 utc | 20 Re: Red Alert – follow link & Call yr. Senators Immediately Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 21 2005 1:20 utc | 22 B, etc., I marvel that people survived w/out them as well. They key as Juannie suggests is whether yr. immune system is healthy enough to fend off unwanted intruders. But I don’t know anyone who made it to their 21st birthday w/out antibiotics – and that’s w/garbage pickup & contemporary sewage & water systems. Posted by: jj | Sep 21 2005 1:25 utc | 23 Uncle $cam, if you call you don’t get letters. And huge volumes of calls make a difference on marginal issues like this. I’m not sure it would have mattered on the bankruptcy bill. It depends on how crucial it is to the Kleptocracy. At the very least one can buy time. Posted by: jj | Sep 21 2005 1:28 utc | 24 US-Pakistan: An elaborate pas de deux Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 21 2005 3:36 utc | 25
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 21 2005 16:57 utc | 26 Uncle- TO’s carrying MoDo. Message: I can’t Posted by: jj | Sep 21 2005 18:18 utc | 28 @Malooga/Uncle $cam: No, U$ isn’t putting MOA in front of the posts; he’s copy-and-pasting his links and getting more than he wanted. He put in a link to Make sure, when putting in a URL, to obey the following two rules: You can always get the right URL, with no strings attached, by actually opening the page (with no frames) in a web browser, waiting until it is completely loaded, selecting the URL in the location bar at the top of your web browser window (this is true in Firefox, IE, Safari, and iCab; not sure about any others), and copying that. Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When Doing Technical Support | Sep 21 2005 18:57 utc | 29 Lest anyone imagine that contempt for humans engaged in using the Iraqi horror to advance themselves is confined only to certain nationalities lookit this piece of something you’d scrape off your shoe. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 21 2005 18:57 utc | 30 Uncle $cam – From The Australian A death knell to the Bush doctrine
The Forged Niger Documents Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 21 2005 22:22 utc | 33 sorry about the links above guys, I was using an old puter to post em which had microshit word and kept screwing up, i have no idea why it kept putting MOA in front of the posts, I assumed it was some kinda microshaft stunt… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 21 2005 22:35 utc | 34 Now that’s marketing:
Defense Spending Is Overstated, GAO Report Says
Where is the outrage??? Let me urge you to watch Seymour Hersh in this WMedia flick (start at 6:00) : link Is Bush drinking again? Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 22 2005 22:53 utc | 38 Good defense, of NE $cam. No way they’d be making this up out of whole cloth. In general their worst sin is making mountains out of molehills w/all the distortion that entails, when they have pages to fill w/little to say. But I’d take this to the bank. Posted by: jj | Sep 23 2005 1:54 utc | 39
Posted by: b real | Sep 23 2005 2:02 utc | 40 jj- it could involve the cia, maybe revenge, maybe smokescreen. the national enquirer has been part of the grant wurlitzer even since it was purchased by an ex-cia guy, generoso paul pope, jr in the 1950’s. of course, the ole’ saying goes once cia, always cia. Posted by: b real | Sep 23 2005 2:22 utc | 41 thanks for the hersh link b. i too urge all to listen/watch. i luuuv that guy. Posted by: annie | Sep 23 2005 2:23 utc | 42 Actually, I’m wondering if maybe Cheney is the one who’s got the serious trouble. I mean, he disappears for a long stretch, and when he starts to resurface we hear that he’s going into the hospital. One possible interpretation of recent events is that Cheney is basically about to die, possibly because of stress (plans seem to be failing for the neocons, and he’s at the center of more of them than anyone else; if the MSM can start questioning Bush, then you know the neocons’ problems are pretty serious) or more likely just because he’s led the sort of life that a fat, rich, white man leads, so his cardiovascular system is shot. Either way, since Bush himself can’t think his way out of a paper bag (like the right wing figurehead in A Wild Sheep Chase, the man is zero as a thinker) and Rove only does party tricks for the base, not policy, Bush is under serious stress himself—the hurricanes have exposed a lot of serious corruption at a time when Cheney is gone, North Korea is getting tricky, Iran is heating up, and Cheney is down for the count. Therefore Bush goes off looking for a someone to replace Cheney, preferably someone smart enough to do some serious damage control. Unfortunately for him, most of the smart people in his party, vile though they may be in general, have been screwed over by Bush because they could see where Bush’s policies would lead and disagreed with him, thus becoming persona non grata in the party. And they’re Republicans, which means they’re nasty little revenge seekers. Consider the dialog behind that closed door in Arizona: Bush: hey, there, Mister McCain, buddy, I know that my folks did a lying smear campaign against you back in 2000, and I’ve ignored every piece of advice you’ve given me for the last five years, but it looks like Dick is about to pop his clogs, and I need one’a’ you smart guys to keep the heat off. How’d you like to come and hold the bag for me? Everyone smart enough to take over Cheney’s unique position is smart enough to see that the chickens are about to come home to roost, and that the replacement will get all the flack for being a Republican while deriving none of the benefits of having been involved in the swindles personally, so Bush is stuck. That’s why he’s drinking again. I don’t believe for an instant that Bush feels bad about New Orleans. He’s a sociopath. If he’s upset, it comes from realizing that everything is going pear-shaped just when his sole remaining serious strategist is incapacitated. I bet that if Cheney does die of something, Bush will resign—and there will probably be a lot more scandal involved than even we expect, because I doubt Cheney trusts anyone enough to let them in on all his secrets. (It would be a hoot and a half if it turned out that Cheney was holding something big on Karl Rove which then came out, so that Bush would suddenly left without either one…) Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Sep 23 2005 3:06 utc | 43 jj- thinking more about why the nat’l enquirer would finally make this story public (in the supermarkets of all places!) when it’s been pretty common gossip that he’s been off the wagon for a long while. and the thought occured to me, this is either a warning to chimpy from his mafia backers, or a setup for his “tragic” accident, to draw on the topical joke of bush post pet goat period. mafia == cia.
Posted by: b real | Sep 23 2005 3:10 utc | 44 of course, i’m probably making some big leaps of imagination at such a late hour in a bar, of all places!. after pope, jr died, i haven’t bothered checking out who bought the franchise. wmr says that bush’s bruises were a result of his binges. i’ve always thought he was being roughed up – “i’m just trying to get on w/ my life”. funny how the mind works though. i didn’t find much humor in that current bush/school joke, but it keeps popping up all over the place. and now the enquirer piece. hmmm. Posted by: b real | Sep 23 2005 3:24 utc | 45 A New Deadly, Contagious Dog Flu Virus Is Detected in 7 States Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 23 2005 3:44 utc | 46 W/re to Bush & NE, they’re actually even more accurate than some “respected” newspapers. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 23 2005 4:01 utc | 47 National Archives Indian Records Discarded Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 23 2005 5:14 utc | 48 Iraq Preparing For IMF Deal or “How to carve out a pumpkin”… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 23 2005 5:58 utc | 50 I knew it was just a question of time before they shoved the goddamn bible down the throats of public school kids. Of course, they couldn’t do it til they had a “textbook”. Oh, happy day – now they do… Posted by: jj | Sep 23 2005 6:24 utc | 51 |
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