1998? So it is Clinton’s fault.
On a more serious note, why is this news coming out now? Probably to deflect criticism from the Katrina response fiasco and focus govt failings back on Clinton.

Posted by: christofay | Sep 14 2005 8:04 utc | 3

Ahhhh, Billmon’s back and all is well with the universe.

Posted by: Dismayed | Sep 14 2005 9:07 utc | 5

I got one question, anybody know what happened to Kennyboy Lay?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 14 2005 13:45 utc | 7

Lupin,
That is a lovely article on Italian production vs. American know-nothing econology.
Did I ever tell you the story of talking to friends in MBA programs about getting that degree to go into manufacturing. Without exception, they told me that, silly rabbit, only a fool would waste his talent on making things.

Posted by: citizen | Sep 14 2005 16:11 utc | 9

Yesterday somebody posted the “Roe vs. Wade” joke on this board, so I think I’m justified in passing along this one that is making the local rounds:
President Bush was visiting a primary school and he visited one of the classes. They were in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings. The teacher asked the President if he would like to lead the discussion on the word “tragedy”. So the illustrious leader asked the class for an example of a “tragedy”.
One little boy stood up and offered: “If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is playing in the field and a tractor runs over him and kills him, that would be a tragedy.”
“No,” said Bush, “that would be an accident.”
A little girl raised her hand: “If a school bus carrying 50 children drove over a cliff, killing everyone inside, that would be a tragedy.”
“I’m afraid not,” explained the president. “That’s what we would call a great loss.”
The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Bush searched the room. “Isn’t there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?”
Finally at the back of the room a small boy (Lil Johnny) raised his hand. In a quiet voice he said: “If Air Force One carrying you and Mrs. Bush was struck by a ‘friendly fire’ missile and blown to smithereens, that would be a tragedy.”
“Fantastic!” exclaimed Bush. “That’s right. And can you tell me why that would be tragedy?”
“Well,” says Lil Johnny, “It has to be a tragedy, because it sure as hell wouldn’t be a great loss and it probably wouldn’t be an accident either.”

Posted by: The Truth Gets Vicious When You Corner It | Sep 14 2005 17:45 utc | 11

I recommend people try to catch some of the Sen. Judiciary hearings for SCOTUS – Pacifica is broadcasting them. This boy is the Archangel of Dictators. Just listening to him – if medieval suits of armor could speak, they would sound like Johnnie. His greatest personal fear is clearly Freedom. Somebody mentioned self-flagellation the other day – one wonders how many yrs. he has practiced it to attain this polished form.
One can hear it in how he’s twisted & tortured the language into such grotesque form. So, he does not say in English “Of course, it’s unconstitutional for rich innocent people to be executed by the state, but it’s perfectly acceptable for innocent people to be executed if they are poor.” Johnnie-fascist-speak for that is: Certainly, it’s unconstitutional for someone who is innocent to be executed. But it’s also a question whether they should keep coming back to court w/new evidence.”
So, if one can hire the best attorney at trial time, you don’t go to death row. However, if you’re poor & have no effective representation, so it takes years to get evidence to court, you’re SOL. But to Johnnie-fascist-speak that’s an entirely different question than one of state killing of innocent people.
He is Sooo Frightening. Truly a Monster. But he’s polite, well-connected, & he does return phone calls. Look at this guy – he’s the guy who will legitimate Dictatorship. And feel far more at home there. Do try to listen…

Posted by: jj | Sep 14 2005 18:40 utc | 13

wondering how many people it took to come up w/ the baseball/umpire analogy to sell to the public during the opening remarks. even roberts admitted today that the analogy doesn’t hold up. but the visualization is already out there. and then the repugs keep catapulting the propaganda, reminding the people that the judge is one of the most brilliant men walking the earth right now.

Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2005 19:44 utc | 15

Some hope…?
Judge: School Pledge Is Unconstitutional

A federal judge declared the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools unconstitutional Wednesday, a decision that could potentially put the divisive issue back before the U.S. Supreme Court.
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U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton ruled that the pledge’s reference to one nation “under God” violates school children’s right to be “free from a coercive requirement to affirm God.”

Posted by: b | Sep 14 2005 20:40 utc | 17

slide 29 is the same shot from a bit further back, showing part of a head.

Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2005 21:27 utc | 19

wtf is mr. bean doing there? okay. i’ll stop now.

Posted by: b real | Sep 14 2005 21:41 utc | 21

Jeez this Typepad anti spam script is becoming as inconsistent as a BushCo back story!
the next bit:
There is another intersting tidbit in the NYT story. That is Gitmo has been holding diplomats. Apparently the Afghani Ambassador to Pakistan has been in Gitmo since it opened.
He has just been let out although the US hasn’t revealed even that he was released much less incarcerated.
I would be interested to know what international law considers of a situation where a diplomat with immunity can be adjudged to be an enemy combatant.
The excuse for holding him was that prior to the invasion of Afghanistan he has maintained that Bin Laden wasn’t involved in the 9/11 murders.
Diplomats frequently speak with forked tongues, in fact one could argue that is part of their craft. So does that mean that when they do governments have a right to lock ’em up and ‘throw away the key’?
If it does there aint gonna be a whole helluva lot of cigar smoking, tuxedo wearing, mealy mouths wandering about the world. On the surface no bad thing. On the other hand can you imagine that the next time a US ambassador tries to sell a crock somewhere and gets thrown in the slammer, that BushCo may get a little discomforted? Esp if the ‘diplomat’ in question is one of the good old boys being rewarded for a campaign well funded.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 14 2005 23:17 utc | 23

Concerning ambassadors: The new US ambassador to Germany, William R. Timken, is an interesting case as to Bushco’s practices. A “super ranger” who donated more than 300.000$ to Bush’s reelection campaign, Timken was made ambassador in spite of the petits facts that he doesn’t speak German and has never had a diplomatic function before.
One qualification: He has got German ancestors. That should do the trick.

Posted by: teuton | Sep 14 2005 23:43 utc | 25

I wonder how long it will take before hurricanes cutting swathes through the poor are taken for granted in the way that the deaths of hundreds of Iraqi civilians has come to be.
We know the pattern. I believe there is a hurricane watch on right now. Thousands of federal officials will be sent into the likely effected area. People wont be able to buy a newspaper without being grabbed by someone from The FDA, FBI, Homeland security, ATF, Fish and Wildlife, Treasury, Health and Community Services…blah…blah..blah. Each will be desperate to grab a statistic to dump on the media as some sort of evidence that this time they are onto it.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 15 2005 2:32 utc | 27

continued:
By this time the media will interviewing each other and running stories on all of the Feds sitting round doin nothing except shonky their stats.
Weather forecasts will have all the meaning of traffic accident, consumer price index or unemployment figures as the data will have been subjected to the same sort of ‘smoothing’ as those.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 15 2005 2:34 utc | 29

President Catastrophe has novel interpretation of how to avoid the problems next time. No, not the only one that’s sure to work – Resign. That’s for the reality-based community. Give him More Power

Posted by: jj | Sep 15 2005 2:45 utc | 31

Years ago I hitchhiked into Mexico with just my cloths and a string bag. It was winter, Tucson sucked, and I had no “go”, as they used to say.
I got picked up by a middle-aged Mexican in a beater pickup truck, who had me drive(!). Then we were off on the coastal road somewhere south of Guymas. We stopped at a truck stop, I mean, a real truck stop like America used to have when I was a kid, for some good home cooked food, I mean, menudo, beans and tortillas.
Then off again as the sun went down. I drove on into the night, until a road block up ahead, and a platoon of Mexican military. I shook my patron awake, who instantly pushed a hat down on my head, and pushed my head forward as though I was asleep.
A soldier butted me with his rifle, asking for papers, but my patron lit into him in the kind of Spanish you don’t learn in high school, and the poor kid waved us through.
We arrived late at night to a family compound on the edge of the city, basically a large open lot with various thrown together buildings around a central casa. The mamasita hugged me, and fed the both of us, and then the young men in the family and I went on the night rounds, chasing and being chased by gangs, looking for parties, break-in opportunities, and groups of young girls. We stole some TV’s, got in a knife fight, the police chased everyone through the streets, and then we crashed in a car shed as the sun came up.
Welcome to the real world, 24×7.
I say this because I walked over the border, a gringo, with nada, and was taken in by total strangers and cared for, for as long as I felt like staying. Literally one of the family, even as dirt poor at they were.
The exact same thing happened to me in Northern Africa, I should add, with one Muslim family after the other inviting me into their homes to eat, sleep, shower and talk about politics, even though they barely lived one day to the next.
And that’s what Iraq was like before 2000, when Saddam was feeding and educating his people on the cheapest crude oil on the planet, which is why George Sr started dropping bombs. That, and the mistake Saddam made sponsoring the intifada,
and trying to run the Kuwaiti’s out of his oil,
which became the pretext, not the reason.
The reason was control of cheap oil.
Fast-forward fifteen years.
Over 150 people died today in Baghdad because of the Bush Family and the Carlyle Oil Cartel, and the Saudi Royal Family. Let’s repeat. An entire nation has been decimated by US:Saudi oil mafia, and the NeoCon and Israeli Likudnik sychophants.
Now neither you nor I will ever again be able to cross the border into Iraq, North Africa, Mexico, or anywhere else on the entire earth, and hope to become part of their family. Or even walk their streets, except in carefully managed gaggles of shorts and sunglasses, like geese on parade.
We are now kapuu, haoli, outcasts. The shriven.
And not to put too fine a point on it, we paid for it with our own taxes and social security.
The entire Bush Family should be tarred and feathered and run out of America on a pole.

Posted by: Bellow Abzug | Sep 15 2005 3:01 utc | 33

Raw Story: FEMA and then Blanco outsourced the body count from Hurricane Katrina … to a firm whose parent company is known for its “experience” at hiding and dumping bodies.
FEMA, La. outsource Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping scandals
Kenyon is a subsidiary of Service Corporation International (SCI), a scandal-ridden Texas-based company operated by a friend of the Bush family. Recently, SCI subsidiaries have been implicated in illegally discarding and desecrating corpses.
Louisiana governor Katherine Blanco subsequently inked a contract with the firm after talks between FEMA and the firm broke down. Kenyon’s original deal was secured by the Department of Homeland Security.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 15 2005 4:10 utc | 35

Unca: sometimes I swear there are only ten of these guys in all, and the rest is done with mirrors.

Posted by: DeAnander | Sep 15 2005 5:28 utc | 37

The source doesn’t enjoy a reputation for gold-plated reliability, but at least this unsourced and unsubstantiated Sept. 14 tid-bit from South Florida does set conspiracy theorists hearts a-twittering.
Needless to say (and probably useless to hope), independent confirmation would be most welcome.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 15 2005 7:53 utc | 39

The General has the undoctored Bush handwriting picture from Reuters.

Posted by: b | Sep 15 2005 18:35 utc | 41

(adapted from Bill Moyers)
George Bush’s Book of Genesis
The Flood is merely Act One. Read on: This God first “hardens the heart of Bush” to make sure the America ruler will not be moved by the plea of Nagin to save the people. Then because Bush’s heart is hardened, God turns the Mississippi into sewage so people cannot drink its water and will suffer from thirst. Not satisfied with the results, God sends swarms of carpetbaggers to torture them; rains fire and oil on them, destroys the trees and plants of the field until nothing green remains; orders every first-born child to be slaughtered, from the first-born of John F. Kennedy right on down to “the first-born of the maidservant behind the mill.” An equal-murderous God, you might say. The massacre continues until “there is not a house where one was not dead.” While the American families mourn their dead, God orders Cheney to loot from their houses all their gold and silver and savings, and give it to HAL-KBR and SGR in tribute, IDIQ C+. Finally, God’s thirst for blood is satisfied, God pauses to rest – and boasts: “I have made sport of the Americans.”

Posted by: Lester Maddox | Sep 15 2005 19:54 utc | 43

Fake Speech by Fake Pres. elected by Fake Votes…
But finally another DieBold Insider is speaking out.
In exclusive stunning admissions to The BRAD BLOG some 11 months after the 2004 Presidential Election, a “Diebold Insider” is now finally speaking out for the first time about the alarming security flaws within Diebold, Inc’s electronic voting systems, software and machinery. The source is acknowledging that the company’s “upper management” — as well as “top government officials” — were keenly aware of the “undocumented backdoor” in Diebold’s main “GEM Central Tabulator” software well prior to the 2004 election. A branch of the Federal Government even posted a security warning on the Internet.
Pointing to a little-noticed “Cyber Security Alert” issued by the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT), a division of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the source inside Diebold — who “for the time being” is requesting anonymity due to a continuing sensitive relationship with the company — is charging that Diebold’s technicians, including at least one of its lead programmers, knew about the security flaw and that the company instructed them to keep quiet about it.
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In phone interviews, DIEB-THROAT confirmed that the matters were well known within the company, but that a “culture of fear” had been developed to assure that employees, including technicians, vendors and programmers kept those issues to themselves.
link
Source goes on to admit what Bev Harris & Jim March have long discussed – that the database (w/the vote tallies) can be manipulated remotely via phone lines. Yes, we know that. Unfortunately, source doesn’t discuss any of the actual manipulations that occurred.

Posted by: jj | Sep 15 2005 20:39 utc | 45

the butchers in washington absolutely covered & steeped in blood care not whit for the rule of law unless it serves them. the naazis of 1933 at least had the merit of their clearly stated intentions with the enabling act. they did not want opposition – so they anhilated it. they used their judiciary as a complement to what they were doing on the streets in any case
the butchers in washington – mad as they are – united with their controlling clowns within every appareil imaginable have with one tool – fear – created a monster – that synthesises all to seve their most base needs. the needs & greed of a few
the butchers of washington have hidden behind lies that everybody was complicit either in its telling or in its repitition
i will say as i have said before – only violence – & a violence with which a people take part will cleanse this shit out of america. that would of course require courage and an aabsence of fear. i am pessimistic about that sort of courage coming out of the circles of hell that we will now call those united states of america

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2005 0:30 utc | 47

David Fiderer: This Law Kills the Plame Investigation

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 16 2005 0:50 utc | 49

Uncle I suspect that headline reads “Homeless People Should be Terrorists”.
As J Morrison once sang:
Time to hesitate is through
No time to wallow in the mire
Not that I’m optimistic because altho the best time is now, more people are going to need less in the belly before they do move.
The only people who consider ‘dying for a principle’ are politicians and generals and they don’t count since they are talking about others dying.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2005 1:19 utc | 51

Jon Pilger sums up the current state of affairs pertinently
eg “The Facade was how we described the dividing line between the America of real life – of a poverty so profound that slavery was still a presence and of a rapacious state power that waged war against its own citizens, just as it did against black and brown-skinned people in faraway countries – and the America that spawned the greed of corporatism and invented public relations as a means of social control (“The American Dream” and “The American Way of Life” began as advertising slogans).”
Although he was known as a bloke not prepared to let the facts get in the way of a good story, Pilger has matured as a journalist to the point where he no longer gets clouded by subjectivity.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2005 1:39 utc | 53

did
also a beautiful text by john berger on commondreams

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2005 1:54 utc | 55

uncle $cam
have wanted to follow alabama’s position – re the plame business – but will not be the least surprised when nothing comes from it tho i would dearly love to see rve & novak hanging upside down from some bridge in washington heights while the locals do as they please with the remnants

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 16 2005 2:11 utc | 57

In case anyone has any room left in their Can’t Make This Shit Up file, Bu$hCo’s Environmental Pollution Agency has released it’s new guidelines for testing. Remember when it came out that they were offering poor kids toys etc. in exchange for stuffing them w/pollutants? So, here are the new Lilly Tomlin (“No matter how cynical I get, I just can’t keep up”) Guidelines:
The Environmental Protection Agency’s new rules on human testing, which the agency said last week would “categorically” protect children and pregnant women from pesticide testing, include numerous exemptions – including one that specifically allows testing of children who have been “abused and neglected.”
…
 In unveiling the new rules last week, the EPA promised full protection for those most at risk of unethical testing.
    “We regard as unethical and would never conduct, support, require or approve any study involving intentional exposure of pregnant women, infants or children to a pesticide,” the rule states.
    But within the 30 pages of rules are clear-cut exceptions that permit:
Testing of “abused or neglected” children without permission from parents or guardians.
“Ethically deficient” human research if it is considered crucial to “protect public health.”
More than minimal health risk to a subject if there is a “direct benefit” to the child being tested, and the parents or guardians agree.
EPA acceptance of overseas industry studies, which are often performed in countries that have minimal or no ethical standards for testing, as long as the tests are not done directly for the EPA. )**anything goes Overseas, as long as you contract it out!! **

Posted by: jj | Sep 16 2005 2:44 utc | 59

Oops, forgot. link

Posted by: jj | Sep 16 2005 2:45 utc | 61

to catalyze wider resistance/opposition w/i the usa, there has to be at least one sufficient victory that people can mobilize behind & that will generate forward momentum across a range of groups/movements. the anti-war movement has reawakened w/ new life out of cindy sheehan, but not any signs of direct action. despite the relentless barrage of propaganda assaulting the public sense, this is still a society w/ access to a wide variety of information sources. unfortunately, large numbers of the population are still hooked up to the tv feeding tubes. there are, though, sizeable numbers of people who are participating in political discussions & once presented w/ viable avenues for more results-oriented participation, beyond the false hopes of contributing $$$ to dems & the like, will likely jump at the opportunity. i remain optimistic still that there are enough people who will make sacrifices when it really comes down to it. it seems that the resistance/opposition is spending too much energy reacting & not enough being proactive. we need a victory on some front. we need a vision that is more than just pointing out what’s really fucked up & who’s more evil than whom. otherwise, we really do run the risk of handing the keys to some hardcore totalitarian “fucking fascist motherfuckers”, to quote blackie from kusturica’s underground.

Posted by: b real | Sep 16 2005 2:54 utc | 63

cya Typepad has taken to blocking me yet again

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 16 2005 3:11 utc | 65

jj, thanks for the link. Sardi also has a very interesting website.

Posted by: Fran | Sep 16 2005 7:12 utc | 67

On the “deadliest day of violence in Baghdad since the U.S. invasion more than two years ago,” Bill O’Reilly sat down with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to examine the real issues in Iraq: It’s all about the lattes.

O’Reilly: The truth of the matter is our correspondents at Fox News can’t go out for a cup of coffee in Baghdad.
Rice: Bill, that’s tough. It’s tough. But what — would they have wanted to have gone out for a cup of coffee when Saddam Hussein was in power?

From Think Progress.

Posted by: beq | Sep 16 2005 14:32 utc | 69

@jj
Thanks for the link. I have been studiously avoiding all ‘cures’ since I have no intention of wasting time on convincing myself that “surely there is just one more thing I can do”.
Although I remain suspicious of “grand conspiracies” since human beings are metabolically incapable of not gossiping and “grand conspiracies” depend on secrecy; my current treatment appears to be doing more for Roche Pharmaceuticals bottom line than it is for me.
There is no doubt that if a substance as freely available as Ascorbic Acid did prove to be an effective treatment for some malignancies it would be tough for the greed heads to make a buck.
Thanks for the link I will check it out.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 17 2005 0:37 utc | 71

“American casualties (dead and wounded) of this gratuitous war are now approximately 20,000. In July, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld said the war might continue for 12 years. US casualties from such protracted combat would eat away US troop strength. Considering the well publicized recruitment problems, America would require a draft or foreign mercenaries in order to continue a ground war. LIke the over-extended Roman Empire, the US would have to deplete its remaining wealth to pay mercenaries.
Dead and wounded Americans are too high a price to pay for a war based on deception. This alone is reason to end the war, if necessary by impeaching Bush and Cheney and arresting the neoconservatives for treason. Naked aggression is a war crime under the Nuremberg standard, and neoconservatives have brought this shame to America.”
paul craig roberts – from an incisive text on counterpunch

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2005 1:20 utc | 73

Judicial Watch – Because no one is above the law!
MAPS AND CHARTS OF IRAQI OILFIELDS:
CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 17 2005 1:52 utc | 75

@DiD. Don’t get involved w/gossip & conspiracies. Stick to things proven to work by Authorities & read the story of what actually happens when they deal w/the Cancer Industry. Oncology is a field of medicine more afflicted w/Huge Egos in search of Nobels & Vast Profits than any other. If you would consider President Kennedy’s personal physician, an authority you could trust then do read his story. link.
It’s the story of an ancient Indian formula from a tribe of Canadian Indians that he worked for yrs. w/leading herbalists etc. to perfect – at least enough to take care of his bowel cancer, and the cancer of everyone I know who has used it ~ 6 people w/diff. cancers. Then, since he was a Leading American Physician, he, of course, wanted to have his work accepted by the leading authorities in the field. Ha!! First problem is that he was given the formula upon the condition that it stay in the public domain. What, they say, No Patents…Where’s the Riches…that’s out of the question… Fascinating story & easy to hear ‘cuz of the source. The stuff is produced in Canada – and surprise, surprise, it’s readily affordable by all!!

Posted by: jj | Sep 17 2005 2:05 utc | 77

LOL
Here’s an interesting piece from a scurrilous pommie gossip sheet I subscribe to called “PopBitcH”. Whilst some of it’s stories may stretch the limits of behaviour I have never known it to be untrue:
” >> Pat The Twat << It was the lesbians what done it Is George Bush's negligence at all to blame for the Hurricane Katrina debacle? Not if you ask one of Bush's richest religious conservative backers, the Rev Pat Robertson. According to Robertson, it's all the fault of... lesbians. "This is the second time in a row that God has invoked a disaster shortly before lesbian Ellen Degeneres hosted the Emmy Awards," said Pat. "Is it any surprise that the Almighty chose to strike at Miss Degeneres' hometown? ... God already allows one awards show to promote the homosexual agenda. But clearly He will not tolerate such sinful behavior to spread beyond the Tonys." The loon also claims that it's no coincidence that the Iraq insurgency started in September 2003. It's because Ellen's TV talk show started that month. Robertson tried to get elected President in 1988. He said he'd only stand against George Bush Snr if three million people signed up to back his bid. Rather disturbingly, they did. More insanity: http://www.patrobertson.com/
“

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 17 2005 2:56 utc | 79

By now thanks to Tom Hartmann, we all know that the Oligarchs twisted the 14th amendment to demand they qualified as “persons”. But did anyone know that an effing Pirate (now part of boycott t mobile) that was told reasonably enough that No they could not put a damn communications tower atop the Beloved Steeple in town, sued the town under the 1964 Civil Rights Act for Violating its Corporate “civil rights”??? link

Posted by: jj | Sep 17 2005 4:50 utc | 81

@jj that’s a good link. One of the Katrina centric posts I made but was unable to get past typepad because of the anti-spam problems, was a post where I contended that slavery was still alive and well in the US.
The 14th amendment did much more for corporations than it did for slaves in that of the hundreds of actions brought under the 14th amendment only two related to slaves the rest have all been brought by corporations eager to have the privileges of citizenship without any of the responsibilities.
As many may know there is an excellent 3 part documentary series on this around called “The Corporation” I must hunt around and see if I still have a copy.
Too many people imagine slavery is about people having to work for no wages when in fact some slaves (eg the greek medicos in Roman times, Saudi women’s quarter guardians now) are paid. But they do not have freedom of self determination.
I would contend that circumstance applies to many people around the world. In the US while it isn’t just African Amerikans enslaved they probably make up the largest single group of slaves.
If you stop and analyse it, doesn’t it seem a bit beyond the pale that there is a whole group of people within the freedom loving US whose forebears were dragged across the world against their will enslaved and when they were allegedly ‘freed’ all that happened was they lost their shelter and source of food?
As far as I know little has ever been done to ensure that African-Amerikans have any birthright whatsoever apart from what little they have managed to wrest for themselves.
During the couple of centuries the African Amerikans have been in the US they have watched many other migrants climb over them pausing only long enough to give them a kick in the guts as they go about attaining the ‘dream’ for themselves.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 17 2005 7:14 utc | 83

I have no intention of wasting time on convincing myself that “surely there is just one more thing I can do”.
Debs, forget about convincing yourself and just do it. the time you will be wasting if you don’t will be the rest of your life. i convinced my dad at the age of 70 to forgo chemo and radiation because i feared the rest of his life would be a living hell that would wipe him out, he lived for an additional 15 years using the herbal teas along w/ chinese herbs. hang in there, take the dead out of your name, know that you have a family here that cares very much for you and values you. my heart goes out to you. you are alive.

Posted by: annie | Sep 17 2005 8:21 utc | 85