Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 19, 2005
Smells Fishy

Two days ago the Washington Post and others reported on reinforcements to be send to Iraq:

Responding to an appeal for more forces in Iraq to help manage a rising number of detainees, the Pentagon is dispatching an additional 700 troops from the 82nd Airborne Division, defense officials said yesterday.

The previously unscheduled deployment is intended specifically to bolster prison operations, the officials said. It is not part of a temporary increase in U.S. troop levels in Iraq that commanders have said is likely to enhance security for a planned constitutional referendum in October and governmental elections in December.

"The basic fact driving this deployment is the steady rise in the prison population," said Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman. "There need to be some additional resources devoted to this."

There was a fishy smell in the air when I read this.

The 82nd Airborne is a strategic force.

[It] provides the ability to begin executing a strategic airborne forcible entry into any area of the world within 18 hours of notification. Their primary mission is airfield and seaport seizure. Once on the ground, they provide the secured terrain and facilities to rapidly receive additional combat forces. The division is the nation’s strategic offensive force, maintaining the highest state of combat readiness.

The 82nd sends some of its core troops: the 1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment. Its motto is "Strike Hold" – size a strategic place by air assault and hold it until reinforcements are in, or the objective is achieved. The battalion has been in action in the Dominican Republic, Honduras, Panama, Iraq I, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq II.

These are NOT prison guards, these are shock troops, the first on the front. They are to leave during the next two month. It is not specified when they might come back.

Wherever these paratroopers are going, they will not go there to guard prisons. Not even Rumsfeld will send the principal strategic assault force of the United States Army to do third degree tasks and to ferry around prisoners.

Either the situation in Iraq is much worse than we assume and elite combat troops are urgently needed there, or there is a mission in the Middle East theater coming up that demands air assault. Maybe something like an airfield or seaport seizure? But Basra is already in British hands. So where are theses troops going?

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Wherever these paratroopers are going, they will not go there to guard prisons. Not even Rumsfeld will send the principal strategic assault force of the United States Army to do third degree tasks and to ferry around prisoners.

That shows a touching faith in his intelligence, which doesn’t seem warranted.

Posted by: Colman | Aug 19 2005 18:20 utc | 1

Good post B, when I read this a day or so ago; I was wondering WTF are special forces doing guarding prisoners. Something fishy; you bet.
Then again; maybe the US are so fatigued with troops starting their third tour that this could be actually true.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 19 2005 18:21 utc | 2

b
you know exactly where they are heading – straight into iran after a few elemental excuses of no substance at all. welcome to the apocalypse

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 19 2005 18:24 utc | 3

Bernard you are thinking back to when the USA was a super power. This deployment of the 82nd Airborne as prison guards shows how terribly far the collapse of the US Army has come. There are simply not enough US troops do to the tasks the Iraq occupation demands. The Bush Administration is destroying the US strategic strike capability to continue its debacle in Iraq.
The Army will cease to function when the lifers retire rather than shipping out for their third and fourth tour of Iraq just like Vietnam. Unlike the mute mutiny by draftees in Vietnam, this time when the US Army revolts, they may just go after their officers.

Posted by: Jim S | Aug 19 2005 18:27 utc | 4

The National Guard has a 24-month cap on mobilization. Most units have already served that or very close to that. Therefore, they technically cannot be sent back again to Iraq — or anywhere else. This is starting to show up now and will get progressively worse over the next six months. They original bullshit that we were going to start to pull troops out early in 2006 was just this, as the current National Guard units left Iraq, they would not be replaced since there weren’t any more to replace them with even if we wanted to. Result would be a net loss of personnel. In other words, we have run out of troops!
It doesn’t surprise me to see the paratroopers having to fill in as prison guards since they can’t bring back more military police Guard units.
(Remember the French paratroopers torturing their Algerian prisoners back in the 1950s?)

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 19 2005 19:14 utc | 5

Connect the dots.

Posted by: beq | Aug 19 2005 19:14 utc | 6

Quick look at the map…..
Bandar Abbas?
But where is the follow up force? Rummy is stupid, but evn he should no better than to send a Airbone force (of roughly reinforced battalion size) alone, without some relief. Airpower alone can’t stop human waves attacks.

Posted by: Rafael Pinero | Aug 19 2005 19:16 utc | 7

From the Desk of George W. Bush
My Talking Points Memo to Karl
A. The Economy Stupid
1. Everyone gets to ride the magic bus.
2. Free twisty balloons for cry-babies.
B. Start a Little War
1. Mobilize 504th for ‘drop-in’ party.
2. $2B to Mossad for the Katyusha lob.
C. Social Security / Medicare
1. Don’t touch that one again! Ever!
2. Seniors and vets are your friends.
D. Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
1. Kill media coverage of Abu Ghraib.
2. See Item B, above.
E. Elections 2006
1. Elevate Bolton, Roberts, pronto.
2. $2B to DieBold, $2B to Sequoia.
(memo to self: bike ride, nap, barbecue)

Posted by: tante aime | Aug 19 2005 19:40 utc | 8

Tante aime, you are so very wicked! I loved B-2. That’s exactly what I was thinking, especially when I read a few days ago that Israel was demanding $2 billion from us for …. ahem… what?

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 19 2005 19:52 utc | 9

What Einsley said four back, and the Colman Corrolary, first comment.

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 19 2005 20:26 utc | 10

I’m quite sure this : Iran, Venezuela discuss oil embargo nor this:
Iran, China discuss defense cooperation has anything to do w/it..

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 19 2005 21:34 utc | 11

@beq
“Gulf of Tonkin” redux?
Bush does have an exit strategy from Iraq — and it runs through Iran.
For months, the Bush Faction has been conducting a low-key PR campaign to put Iran in the crosshairs for a military strike. Last week, Bush himself upped the wattage with a public declaration that “all options are on the table” for slapping down Tehran, Agence France Presse reports. He even alluded to the invasion of Iraq as an example of the kind of action he has in mind. Bush scarcely bothered to hide his disdain for peaceful solutions to the row with Iran. After mouthing the usual pious lies about “working feverishly on the diplomatic route,” he immediately dismissed such efforts with a sneer: “As you know, I’m skeptical.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 19 2005 21:58 utc | 12

Devil’s advocate: Within the 82nd is a military police detachment. Could it be they are telling the truth about prison guard duties? The prison population in Iraq is definitely multiplying too fast. What prisons are in the Basra region?
Did we see a posting recently about cancellation of all leave for the 82nd effective September 7th?

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 20 2005 0:16 utc | 13

“Bush does have an exit strategy from Iraq — and it runs through Iran.’
Iraq did not have many friends before the Bushwhacking began but;… Iran?… May be a different story altogether.

Posted by: pb | Aug 20 2005 0:53 utc | 14

@GGrl:
1/504 is an infantry battalion, but I wouldn’t read all that much into that. They need people to control prisoners and the majority of MP units available, have been since the 1970s, in the Reserve component, and as Einsley said are near maxed out.
82nd probably has a company of MPs(150 men) itegral to the unit.

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 20 2005 1:02 utc | 15

Remember about a year ago there was criticism about spec forces and airborne being used at roadblocks and to patrol city streets, what a waste it was of their skills. I somehow feel this is just more of same. They are so desperate for boots on the ground that they don’t care if they are jumping boots.

Posted by: Ensley | Aug 20 2005 1:22 utc | 16

So, they’ll be on location in less than 2 months, able to begin strikes. So, as said, securing Hormuz Straits may be a good idea, to avoid a complete economic collapse of the West.
Whatever their goal will be, we can now take a wild guess about the time of the next big terror attack on US and (probably) Europe.
The board is set, the pieces are moving…

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 20 2005 1:25 utc | 17

I’m thinking the next attack will be at the “Freedom March/Patriotic War Rally/Kill Karaoke” on September 11th. Lots of people, lots of exposure, lots of symbolism. No one “important” will be hurt, but plenty of plebes will be sacrificed to complete the stifling of dissent and final Reichstag push into national police-state “emergency”. Somehow, Iran will be resposible. I hope I’m wrong. Please let this be tin-foil on my head!

Posted by: stupidbaby | Aug 20 2005 4:04 utc | 18

An undeniable taint’s adrift in the air.
And it is true that the conquistadors’ supply of troops is running low. Like CJoe observes, though, all the pieces seem to be moving into a familiar alignment.
Wayne Madsden (a source of variable accuracy) posted a week ago (Aug 10), the outlines of what he says is a U.S. plan of attack for Iraq, leaked by German intelligence BND, because they oppose U.S. intervention in Iran. The plan sounds a little like Bay of Pigs: Air attacks on nuclear facilities and naval attacks will lead to a popular uprising in southwestern Iraq and appeal for help. Meanwhile, MEK will sabotage critical Iraqi infrastructure.
However, according to a Newsweek report, a National Intelligence Estimate from Spring found that Iran is NOT in a pre-revolutionary state and that the Tehran regime may be entrenched to many years more. (Which makes the plan outlined in Madsden sound even more like Bay of Pigs, doesn’t it?)
Via antiwar.com, Robert Higgs notes a piece in the Washington Post that many of us may have overlooked, which he calls the administration’s “mea culpa” on Iraq. He speculates that the Administration may be testing the idea of giving up all its pretenses for the invasion of Iraq, but sticking to the true objective.

The Bush administration, the article explains, no longer expects to produce a model democracy, a well-functioning oil industry, or “a society in which the majority of people are free from serious security or economic challenges” in Iraq. In short, the country is in terrible shape, and the U.S. government cannot solve the Iraqis’ most pressing problems. According to a senior U.S. official, “what we expected to achieve was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground. We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we’re in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning.”
… notwithstanding the president’s brave pretense, another official leaker concedes, “We set out to establish a democracy, but we’re slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic.”. . .
Which brings us back to the question, why did the Bush team invade Iraq? The most plausible hypothesis has always appeared to be that it did so as part of a larger plan to reshape the strategic contours of southwest Asia, from the Mediterranean to China, from Kazakhstan to the Arabian Sea. . . .
By effectively controlling the region, the U.S. government would attain several of its cherished ends. First, it would eliminate or greatly diminish the threats posed to Israel by countries such as Syria and Iran. Second, it would control much of the oil and gas extraction and transportation in a region believed to be richly endowed with untapped deposits of those prized fossil fuels. Third, it would butt up against the Russians and the Chinese, excluding them from hegemony or substantial influence in the lands of the Great Game. Fourth (but merely incidental, you should understand), important supporters of the Bush team would make tons of money: Halliburton, Bechtel, Chevron, Unocal, Shell, and the rest of the good old boys, not to mention the arms suppliers and the mercenaries.

As for that next terrorist attack that CJoe anticipates, the warnings are already out: Fuel tankers in U.S. & London around Sept 11. (www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,20871734148,00.html)
So do all these suspiciously familiar moves foretell a new belligerency? Could they be an enormous bluff to urge Iran and Iraqi Shi’a, Sunni too, for that matter, into more compliant positions? Are divisions among the upper ranks of the civilian and military career employees so intense that it is hard for even them to be sure what direction the imponderable bulk of the US will move from its current posiitioning?
It’s beyond me. From somewhere deep and far I keep hearing that faint familiar chorus, “we won’t be fooled again!”

Posted by: small coke | Aug 20 2005 4:24 utc | 19

Nice post small coke. Now I’m really scared.

Posted by: stupidbaby | Aug 20 2005 4:59 utc | 20

It seems to me that the only goals accomplished by the Bush adminstration in Iraq are the jacking up of the price of oil/oil corp profits and the wholesale corporate theft of the US treasury. In the face of military and political defeat, would they conclude that’s good enough?

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 20 2005 5:22 utc | 21

The Second Coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
W.B. Yeats

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 20 2005 5:32 utc | 22

Something smells fishy alright but I’m starting to think it’s the smell of plans gone seriously awry.
Attacking Iran has no logic to it at the moment. Not unless there is huge support from other countries and there just isn’t.
Oil has hit an all time price high as the market acknowledges that the Iranian oil is a pipe dream and Ecuador has moved from being a net exporter of oil (number 1 customer USA) to a net importer because internal ructions in the Amazon provinces have stopped the extraction and transportation of oil.
This is the bit I really don’t understand. As far as I can tell leftist nationalist forces are pressuring the Ecuadorian government to stop giving the oil away and make sure that the locals get some benefit. Yet the Ecuadorian govt is relying on Venezuala to bail it out!
That I don’t comprehend I would have thought that Venezuala would want to stay outta that blue particularly since they are currently arguing for Indigenous Royalties from their oil. Perhaps the story is distorted and the US is on the side of the insurgents or perhaps Venezuala wants to keep trouble off their own backs by siding with US here.
It sad isn’t it that no one ever gets to pack up the truck and move to Beverly Hills, no matter how much oil they have that Mr Dysdale gets to keep all the money and the nearest any damn Ecuadorian would ever get to his house would be as pool boy or nanny.
Thing is though, BushCo could actually get some return outta the Airborne in Ecuador and get to hang onto that oil. The troop numbers are far too small to make much difference in Iran or Iraq but in the early stages of trouble in US backyard they would be useful.
I can only think that the whole Iran thing is a distraction because if the boys got bogged down in Iraq, Irans gonna be a much tougher nut to crack with modern equipment, the citizenry pretty solidly behind the government, and no show of a security council resolution.
Unless these guys have really lost it there must be another agenda.
The only scenario that makes any sense is that BushCo want oil even more expensive but don’t want to be held directly responsible by the sheeple. Therefore they say it’s the Arabs/Iranians/Injuns and we’re doin all we can to stop it when in actual fact they are causing it.
Even if Bush/Cheney decided to go after Iran how certain is it congressional approval is going to be given? Especially with no UN rez and the combed-over hacks are already making a big thing about ‘getting to the bottom of what’s goin on in Iraq”
You’d have to think that there would be considerably more than 1 no vote this time even if a blue between Iran and Israel is engineered. This would be a very risky option since most other ME populations would be putting the hard word on their governments to give Iran a hand.
Using the Airborne for prison guards makes no sense either since the logical way to do that would be to pull less trained and seasoned combat trops out of the firing line and into the jails and use the airborne to relieve a combat role.
The other issue is if the prison population has increased that much and attacks are still on the increase what does that say about the real state of the insurgency? Is the only solution to kill or imprison every Iraqi male? How long before it is acknowledged that there are Shia and Kurdish elements to the resistance?
But perhaps the airborne’s job is going to be to hold the Iraqi legislature imprisoned until they come up with a constitution BushCo can accept.
Lets face it having to call another election in a couple of weeks can’t be really considered a goer, but neither can Turkey marching into Kurdistan or the US having to swap sides to the Sunnis as the Shia and Sunnis duke it out openly.
This whole scenario is about 57 times more complicated than Vietnam ever was where the NVA and NLF managed meld into a pretty much single faceted opposition and the ‘generals’ were rotated through the Southern presidency without that much drama.
Iran just cannot be a serious option.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 20 2005 7:39 utc | 23

United States of America
ca 1776 – 2001
National Confederacy of NeoCon Socialism
ca 2001 – 3001
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html
Absolutely sickening, even still today….

Posted by: tante aime | Aug 20 2005 7:43 utc | 24

Perhaps the story is distorted and the US is on the side of the insurgents or perhaps Venezuala wants to keep trouble off their own backs by siding with US here.
Could this could explain some of the confusion debs is dead?
U.S. Moves to Counter Chavez-Backed Telesur TV
The U.S. Congress has decided to fund broadcasts into Venezuela, similar to efforts in the Arab World, to ‘neutralize’ Telesur’s ‘anti-American and anti-freedom rhetoric.’ Venezuela’s President, for his part, has promised to wage a ‘merciless electronic war against the United States.’

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 20 2005 8:17 utc | 25

Tante Aime:
For the lunatic fringe
it’s a “Green Corn” moon
United States of America
ca July 4, 1776 – September 1, 2001
That’s just 82,246 days of freedom,
as opposed to the Neo thousand-year
4th reich of 365,000 day of slavery.
8/22/46
George W Bush was born on 7/6/46.
Battle of Athens against government 8/2/46
HG Wells died on 8/13/46. “War of the Worlds”.
But, the actual signing of the Declaration of
Independence, making it a legal document,
didn’t occur until August 2nd, 1776.
That’s just 82,217 days of freedom.
Wednesday 8/22/17
4/5 Elul, 5677 on the Jewish Calendar
John Lee Hooker born on August 22, 1917
I rest my case!

Posted by: Lash Marks | Aug 20 2005 8:46 utc | 26

Here, in my little village in the South of France, today is market day and, in between buying fresh produce and picking up a new clock for the kitchen, one can’t help chatting with the local hobbits who, like their fictional counterparts, have no or little idea what’s cooking in the Land of Mordor, beyond the Seas.
This morning, I was struck by a near-Proustian reminiscence that folks here look at Bush’s America pretty much exactly as they used to look at Brezhnev’s USSR in the mid-to-late 70s when I still lived in France.
No fear, no hatred, likely because they haven’t really *thought* about it, but the utter conviction, without any room for doubt, that America is “crazy” — like “these Romans” in ASTERIX.
Like, yes they’re “crazy” (or, from more discriminate types, “Bush is crazy”), that goes without saying; you might as well say “the sky is blue”.
And I’m thinking about the wisdom of hobbits for, as the quote says, “those whom the gods would destroy…”
Thanks to a link from Woolcott, coincidentally (?), I also touched that same madness of America today when, back from the market, only a few minutes ago, I went to read this site. I would in particular “recommend” this post.
I don’t know what the cure for insanity is — I would not have thought it possible that Cindy Sheehan could already have had such a powerful impact, so maybe there is some glimmer of hope?
But the answers lie in the hearts and minds of Americans.

Posted by: Lupin | Aug 20 2005 9:37 utc | 27

Lupin, scary link. Well, I hope there will be some Asterix and Obelix around once it gets though over here too – which I hope will never happen.

Posted by: Fran | Aug 20 2005 11:12 utc | 28

why Iran is a non-starter — from Nov’04, by Daniel Barkley Preemptive Strikes Will Not Disarm Iran
“Attacking Iran doesn’t make good economic sense, either. Iran is OPEC’s second-largest oil producer and holds 10% of the world’s proven oil reserves. It also has the world’s second largest natural gas reserves (after Russia). Oil and gas prices have recently soared in response to rising global demand and heightened security concerns in the Middle East. Iran is unlikely to maintain its current level of oil production in the face of a massive military assault. The loss of just a fraction of Iranian oil production through collateral damage, sabotage, or economic embargo could trigger a severe global recession.”

Posted by: andrew in caledon | Aug 20 2005 16:21 utc | 29

Lupin,
Wow! Thanks for that link (the comment one). I’ve often wondered what the interior landscape of a paranoid schizophrenic might behold, An unintentional portrait of an Eric Rudolph, or maybe little boots having a hot tub bathing, delirium soaked epiphony. A royal flush, that was.

Posted by: anna missed | Aug 20 2005 19:30 utc | 30

Their primary mission is airfield and seaport seizure.
Maybe they are needed to seizure prisons, back from revolting prisoners. Has anybody heard anything about Saddam lately?

Posted by: Oscar | Aug 20 2005 19:45 utc | 31

For the record: Tests Support Iran’s Claims on Uranium

U.N. nuclear agency tests have concluded that traces of highly enriched uranium on centrifuge parts were from imported equipment, rather than from any enrichment activities by Iran, a senior Western diplomat said Saturday.
The findings support Iran’s claims that the material entered the country with centrifuge parts provided by Pakistan. The diplomat who confirmed the results spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

Preparing the public: Iran ‘supplies infra-red bombs’ that kill British troops in Iraq
Upps that story is now “temporarily suspended”. I wonder why.
But the Iranian expat warmongers have copied it at their site: Iran ‘supplies infra-red bombs’ that kill British troops in Iraq

Sunday Telegraph, August 21 – British soldiers in Iraq are being killed by advanced “infra-red” bombs supplied by Iran that defeat jamming equipment, according to military intelligence officials.
The “passive infra-red” devices, whose use in Iraq is revealed for the first time by The Sunday Telegraph, are detonated when the beam is broken, as when an intruder triggers a burglar alarm. They were used by the Iranian-backed Hezbollah group against Israel in Lebanon from 1995.
A radio signal is used to arm the bomb as a target vehicle approaches. The next object to break the infra-red beam – the target vehicle – detonates the device.
Coalition officials see the disturbing development as a key part of an aggressive new campaign by Teheran to drive coalition forces out of Iraq so that an Islamic theocracy can be established.

Posted by: b | Aug 21 2005 17:38 utc | 32

nothing is clearer. the united sttes will attack iran anywhere between october & december. they will generalise the war. this criminal crew has nothing to lose – after all – their soldiers mean absolutely nothing to them. cindy sheehan has proved that without any question.
the 82nd airborne who have odten brought death will find it waiting for them. this time they have no idea what the wrath will be transformed into. they will reap a harvest they have not the slightest power to control
they have such televisual ipressions of their own importance – they do not understand that even these ‘special forces’ will be sxallowed whole by the national guards of iran – iraq is nothing now but a slaughterhouse – a slaughterhouse in which the american are masters but where everyone else participates in a general butchery – well, that is nothing to what will happen in iran
amaerican armed power will need all its special toys & even those toys will prove to be made of paper tho they will take the lives of many – too mny & because we know – that one is too many
the savagery & stupidity of american armed force astound me with their absurdities
no it is not beyond them to use special forces for guard patrol – but all you have to do is ask yourself what is the maddest option on the table & know that the criminal gang will go for the maddest not unike the gambino family or the gallos when they were on the skids
the craziest option is to attack iran & so therefore that is what they will do. already in the years since the attacks on afghanistan & iraq the development of an armed resistance to the u s is happening alll over the world & one cannot mistake the precision with the way it is being done.
lupin has spken of the urban guerilla – well now we will see the wet dream of andreas baader – from al corners of the globe they are developing their apparatus & anybody who thinks that is not happening is a fool
even within the islamic community – their politicisation is happening every day & there is not a son & daughter wjether they are in london, lebanon, san fransisco, jakarta, sydney etc etc etc are preparing their martyrs – & these people are not fearful of the rapture – not in any way – the american agression has created lions within the islamic community who will spread this war everywhere
the war on ‘terror’ cannot be won – there is no clearer truth

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 21 2005 18:52 utc | 33

the savagery & stupidity of american armed force astound me with their absurdities
In 1978 I was working in a hotel bar in my hometown in Germany. There was a batallion of US Army forces stationed there. A Master Sergeant fresh from the US lodged in the hotel because his new home was still occupied. He asked a few questions. One was “Is this East or West Germany?” We didn´t make much of friends.

Posted by: b | Aug 21 2005 19:18 utc | 34

b
yes, i imagine – anything other -even with white skins – are something other – that there’s not a great deal of diffeence between iraq & iran – they both begin with an i – & they are all a little brown – & they send their kiddies into the battlefield – pray five times a day – & don’t know much – do not have the privilege of foxnews & the informed intelligence of america
their attack on the middle east is economic as slothrop suggestt – but their ability to do so & the complicity of the public is because of a form of racism & ignorance that goes too deep into the national soul & has been made into a virtue
if i have learnt anything these last five years is to never underestimate the degree of stupidity & madness in american foreign policy

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Aug 21 2005 19:26 utc | 35

B wrote:
the savagery & stupidity of american armed force astound me with their absurdities
This takes the cake. Neocon Savages are declaring war on the ME ‘cuz after all we need all dat oil. OK. So, they go into the countries w/the oil, and do so using so much DU that they’re covering the regions where people most need to work w/nuclear radiation. Of the 695,000 Am. soldiers sent over in Bu$hDaddy’s war, 425,000 are now dying. How the bloody hell are you going to pump oil from a land you’re making radioactive for generations? Just thought I’d ask.
I just heard an interview w/a dynamo, Joyce Riley RN, who’s made a film on DU – Beyond Treason They’ve unearthed a treasure trove of govt. documents on coverups etc. It’s a must see. Free to anyone who’s had a loved one over there. link
Beyond being a brilliant spokeswoman for Gulf War Vets Assoc., she’s a Repub. from Missouri, was a Captain in the Reserves who served in Daddy’s war & was director of nursing operations at 4 hospitals. She reminds one that in past years it was possible to be honorable & a Repug. She’s one fine human being, who’s done a Great Film. It comes w/CD full of documents, etc.

Posted by: jj | Aug 21 2005 20:58 utc | 36

A couple of lateral speculations on the 504th deployment:
Could internal discipline be getting so bad within the prison system that hardened troops are required to re-establish a Geneva-compliant code of conduct? Once a poor culture is established it’s pretty hard to turn around, particularly in an atmosphere of resentment and denial.
Could the 504th’s ability to hold territory be required in order to beat an orderly retreat? That corridor from the Green Zone to the airport is going to become pretty important…
Unlike Saigon, Baghdad is a LONG way from the sea…

Posted by: PeeDee | Aug 21 2005 22:21 utc | 37

rgiap –
How I fear the truth of your anguished and clear vision.
The resistance that is organizing looks even wider than the politicization of Islam everywhere. The poor of the southern Americas, so long crushed under the bootheel of local oligarchs and the northern bully, are organizing again. And the formal powers, the nation-states. are preparing alliances. When Russia and China practice joint military maneuvers. there must be a strong new wind blowing.
So I pray that the governing cabal will recover from its deathwish. Because they will do whatever they will, and the only thing I can imagine might stop them would be a massive labor stoppage by the U.S. military itself. To my knowledge, there is no precedent for such an action. Does anyone else no of such a case, in any military?

Posted by: small coke | Aug 22 2005 11:51 utc | 38

Hey everybody listen up all i want to know is how many people died in iraq ok is that to much to ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: april | Nov 3 2006 2:24 utc | 39