Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 15, 2005
2006: Dems Will Lose

Bush in Crawford is under siege by Cindy Sheehan and has trouble to keep a balanced life. Rove and now Ashcroft are in ever deeper trouble.

The administration is lowering expectations on Iraq:

"We set out to establish a democracy, but we’re slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic," said another U.S. official [..] "That process is being repeated all over."

Cognitive dissonance hamstrings the leadership.

In the population there has been a change in sentiment since the last election. Bush is on record low poll numbers, so is support for the Iraq war. Nearly 60 percent of
Americans now oppose the war, according to recent polling. Sixty-three
percent want US troops brought home within the next year. The media tide is turning.

This should be the very best moment for an opposition party to take a real lead and call for an end of this expensive adventure and win a significant lead for the next election.

No more flip-flopping like Kerry between being pro-war and anti-war; a call for international consent before going to war; no to a preemptive doctrine that has proven to be catastrophic.

But no, the Democrats leadership has decided to prepare for the next election by courting the arguments they think would have won the last one. The Boston Globe
writes:

After months of internal debate and closed-door discussions, Democrats have begun to develop a more aggressive foreign policy that focuses heavily on threats they say are being neglected by the Bush administration, while avoiding taking a contentious stance on Iraq.

Even Democrats who have been associated with liberal positions on international affairs are calling for more troops in uniform, proposing that threats of force be used to stop nuclear weapons programs in Iran and North Korea, and pressing for potential military intervention to ease famine and oppression around the world.

[Their report] calls for the United States to engage in more direct negotiations with Iran and North Korea, and for the talks to be reinforced with military pressure, including ”the possibility of repeated and unwarned strikes."

Democrats to Bush: "ATTACK IRAN!"
Bush: "Dear Americans, the Dems asked me to bomb Iran. The planes are on their way. If this goes wrong it’s Clinton’s fault."

To win in 2006 with a concept more hawkish than the Republicans is as stupid as it gets. The people need an alternative.

As Atrios pointed out: If you want bases in Iraq with some 30,000 troops living there, you will need another 100,000 troops to protect these bases plus the ever endangered logistic tail to fill the mercenaries luxury demands.

To stay in Iraq and to demand an attack on Iran in a situation where Iran controls your lines of communication is lunatic. The Strategic Class wants exactly that.

It probably could have helped during the last election (though I doubt this), but it will definitely not help in the next one.

Comments

Bernard:

To win in 2006 with a concept more hawkish than the Republicans is as stupid as it gets.

The Demoplicans are not paid to win. They are paid to take up all the room and breathe up all the air an opposition party would, if there were an opposition party.
And you’ve got it exactly right on Iran.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Aug 15 2005 14:45 utc | 1

Bernard:

It probably could have helped during the last election…

Who the hell would want the bastards to win on such a platform?

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Aug 15 2005 14:48 utc | 2

Berhard:
I saw the artice on the Strategic Class that you reference here on Friday: LINK
This great Nation piece should be read by everyone. It shows how constipated the Democratic Party’s collective brain is.
If progressives in America are serious about changing things in the leadership of the Democratic Party, we first have to purge the “Strategic Class” from the equation.
Looks like poooper scoopers, manure forks, high pressue water hoses and pumps, manure pumps and lagoons, and a few other pieces of equipment are urgently needed at the Front.

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 15 2005 15:09 utc | 3

Sorry Bernhard, I can’t spell either.

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 15 2005 15:11 utc | 4

Bush is a bit like Stillson in Stephen King’s DEAD ZONE, but other than that it doesn’t matter who wins or lose at this stage.
Does anyone here really believe a Dem administration can stop the incoming shitstorm?
As I wroye in a Kos fiary only this morning:
Much of the discussion [on Kos] seems to be unconsciously based on the premise that if we get rid of Bush, things will return almost magically to the “golden age” of the 1990s. Not so. Oil will be rising still. Economic bubbles will pop. Interest rates will creep higher. Trade deficit will balloon on. Bankruptcies will rise. And (unjustly perhaps) American will remain the most hated people on the planet for a while yet.
To me it is a given BushCo will fail — how could it be otherwise (if history teaches anything, it’s that kind of failure)? What is far more disturbing is that, even here, many of us are prone to the delusion that things are still normal underneath. They’re not.
Our present predicament reminds me strongly of when I was in Moscow at the height of perestroika in the late 80s. All my Russian associates genuinely thought that, with the old regime gone/changing, they would soon be like West Germany. We (and the Germans) thought it would take them 20 years (at least) to get there.
I genuinely believe the next decade will see tectonic changes in America. And we’re not prepared.
The 2006 elections are still relevant, sort of like taking the temperature of the patient.
But hardly a cure.

Posted by: Lupin | Aug 15 2005 15:42 utc | 5

Oh I think it’s a pose and a hedge. If something truly bad happens again [to us, to us] then a “peace” party will get slaughtered. Hedging their bets guarantees to at least keeps it close, which might be enough to head off complete totalitarianism.

Posted by: bcf | Aug 15 2005 16:40 utc | 6

Fuck the dems as long as they’re me-too warmongers and Ariel Sharon bootlickers.
They’ll never get my vote.
I’ll go for an antiwar third party even if they have no realistic chance and I’ll sleep better at night.

Posted by: ran | Aug 15 2005 18:39 utc | 7

The people do need an alternative. The question is what alternative?

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 15 2005 18:49 utc | 8

I think between now and 06 we try to purge the Democratic Party of the “Strategic Class” , the DLC, and the New Republic(an), pro-Israeli left, and take control of the Party.
And I think we should be a more than a little Corleonesque about it.
Failing that, we sit on our asses or vote third party in 2008

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 15 2005 19:18 utc | 9

Karl Rove
Obergruppenfuhrer RNC
http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0533/waas.jpg
Erich van dem Bach-Zalewski
Obergruppenfuhrer SS
http://www.stefanopasini.it/images/Van_Dem_Bach-Zalewski.JPG

Posted by: lash marks | Aug 15 2005 19:24 utc | 10

Taking over the Dems: You’d have to start at the county level and run for office yourself. However, the money issue would become an obstacle the higher up you go…

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 15 2005 21:11 utc | 11

Given that the worse ever encumbent of the WH is still in office; it shows that the Dems are a useless pile of steaming shit.
Where are the Dems at Camp Casey?
Nowhere, go figure.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 15 2005 21:21 utc | 12

It’s difficult to imagine why we are still having this discussion. I can understand that many citizens of the US who used to proudly vote for the dems and who then did so holding their noses feel uncomfortable and perhaps even a little disloyal because the feel like deserters.
They shouldn’t because US voters haven’t left the democrats, the democrats left the voters. Each time they moved further away from their pubic supporters in a concession to the ‘lets just win’ hacks all they really succeeded in doing was closing off the debate.
When an unprincipled political party tries to chase the voters by agreeing with some voters’ selfish concerns what they in effect do, is delegitimse the opposition arguement.
When all bar one members of Congress supported the invasion of Iraq, in effect they were saying that there was no other tenable point of view. This made the job of the hacks in the repugs and media a lot easier. In some ways those spineless demopublicans who lacked the courage of their convictions are more responsible for the murders of Iraqi citizens than some of the greedheads on the other side.
What to do? Well why waste time and energy flogging a dead horse? The dems couldn’t win a chook raffle and concerned US citizens have more chance of making a difference if they concentrated their energies on forcing the political process to be more representative of citizens.
By doing this outside the established parties the job although difficult at least becomes possible. The mob of no-hopers currently occupying the demopublican seats in either house aren’t interested in changing the status quo. The status quo got them where they are today which is not such a bad gig. I mean being in power would be a better gig but you take what you can get. Know what I mean? This sure beats hacking it out in some two bit law practice or the drudgery of being in-house counsel for a bunch of grubby greenies or crooked labour officials.
The other advantage is this. Voters who want to see reform do so because they have lost faith in their representatives, how the hell can they be asked to trust those same representatives to do the right thing on something so clearly not in politicians self interest as this change to democratic representation would be?
If I thought for one moment that it would be possible/necessary to elect a legislature that would end the war immediately and sort out some way of assisting to fix what’s been broken, then of course that would be the outcome that anyone should support because Iraqi lives are far more important than whatever system of representation a tottering empire uses to excuse it’s foul machinations.
The Iraqi inavsion is ending in spite of the demopublicans. Thanks to the persistence of millions or ordinary Iraqi people the invasion which was always inexcusable has become unsustainable.
So the best thing US voters can do is argue for a system of government that would make a repetition of the rape and murder of innocents a lot more difficult if not impossible.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Aug 15 2005 21:36 utc | 13

So the best thing US voters can do is argue for a system of government that would make a repetition of the rape and murder of innocents a lot more difficult if not impossible.
But that’s not on the ballot.

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 15 2005 22:09 utc | 14

@Ggirl:
With $120 billion and a clear message, my namesake could become president in this country.
Unless we want to be “in the wilderness” for 50 years, the logical first step is to try to take over or thoroughly discredit the Dem party apparatus.
If we can’t take it over, then we go elsewhere.
@CP:
You got to have heat and passion to have steam. With the Dems right now, all you got is stone-cold weak and flaky shit.
@debs:
You don’t live here; I do. Given the utter lack of success of any third party in recent US history–And Perot came closest, primarily because he had a timely message and MONEY–think you might find more fertile places to plant your third-party ideas.
A third party for me is the last resort.

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 15 2005 22:09 utc | 15

@groucho,
Whew! Glad you got that $120 billion. I was worried there for a sec!

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 15 2005 22:34 utc | 16

@Ggirl;
I’m a believer in “faith-based” campaign finance:
If You Build It They Will Come.
All my billions are tied up in select raw land, and baseball cards. Politics is too speculative an investment for me.

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 15 2005 22:46 utc | 17

@Ggirl:
Overstated a bit, meant $120 million. If a candidate started March 2008 with that kind of cash balance, and his message resonated, the money would flow in.
Confused the initial number with the size of my portfolio.
Here’s what was spent in 2004:
LINK

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 15 2005 23:19 utc | 18

America needs a NO WAR, HONEST ELECTIONS, HONEST GOVERNMENT party – with no backsliding on these three points.
Kucinich/McCain. Both will get get screwed (again) by their respective political machines despite being the most popular representatives of their party. We know it, they know it. They should get together now and get busy.
I agree with Lupin – the next 10 years are going to be a difficult period in any case. Question is whether to deal with it or destruct. (I was going to say ‘self-destruct’ but I’m afraid it won’t be that clean.)

Posted by: PeeDee | Aug 15 2005 23:22 utc | 19

But McCain’s a warmonger PeeDee, and a Dear Leader fluffer.
I don’t think he’d be a good fit for your NO WAR party.

Posted by: ran | Aug 16 2005 2:08 utc | 20

McCain:
A lunatic fluffer, by the sound of him, but always ready to don the kneepads.
Really gives Biden a run for the money.

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 16 2005 2:28 utc | 21

Why are you continuing to flog a dead horse. Representative government was a 17th / 18th century invention premised on the distances and time lapses of the period. Elect one person to represent a district, or electoral riding, originally defined by the distance that person could ride, by horse, in a day of constituant visits.
The internet makes that concept simply obsolete. We can now all be at the centre of decision making in real time 24/7. We don’t need representatives, we don’t need parties, we don’t need obsolete practises that obviously don’t respond to grass roots issues.
It is ridiculous to continue to prop up the useless and irrelevant with contributions to political parties. And don’t expect any political rep with a seat to push for a change: ignore them all.
The issue is not Democrats, or Republicans, or Greens, or New Democrats, or Liberals, or Conservatives, or Bloc Quebecois. The issue is the 21st century politics of global experience and expectation of social justice.

Posted by: Allen/Vancouver | Aug 16 2005 2:58 utc | 22

Groucho:

If progressives in America are serious about changing things in the leadership of the Democratic Party, we first have to purge the “Strategic Class” from the equation.

Cloned Poster:

Where are the Dems at Camp Casey?

PeeDee:

America needs a NO WAR, HONEST ELECTIONS, HONEST GOVERNMENT party – with no backsliding on these three points.

Allen/Vancouver:

The issue is not Democrats, or Republicans, or Greens, or New Democrats, or Liberals, or Conservatives, or Bloc Quebecois. The issue is the 21st century politics of global experience and expectation of social justice.

I think its an HONEST ELECTIONS, NO WAR, STARVE TERROR party that we need PeeDee, and the practical way to get it is virtually, as Allen/Vancouver points out.
The way to accomplish the purge that Groucho proposes is to run on the HONEST ELECTIONS, NO WAR, STARVE TERROR ticket against them all in their party primaries : Demoplican, Republicrat, Green, you name it.
Make sure there’s an HONEST ELECTIONS, NO WAR, STARVE TERROR candidate in every primary and in as many generals as possible.
As for how to STARVE TERROR? Cut the Israeli Entitlement Program until the Israelis have withdrawn within their 1967 borders and Palestine is a member of the UN.
That last leg of the triangle is why there are no Demoplicans at Camp Casey, Cloned Poster:
”My Son Joined the Army to Protect America, Not Israel”

Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy…not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn’t changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq…in fact it has gotten worse.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Aug 16 2005 3:22 utc | 23

B- Cry havoc and lose the loose.

Posted by: biklett | Aug 16 2005 3:34 utc | 24

@ JF LEE:
Hadn’t seen that before. The lady seems to understand what it’s all about.

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 16 2005 3:41 utc | 25

And you won’t Grouch, if the MSM/Demoplican/AIPAC axis have their way.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | Aug 16 2005 3:53 utc | 26

I should clarify a bit. An earlier post posited the idea of a shadow government, which is interesting but consider US history. The first Continental Congress was not elected, nor was the second. They had no authority other than the strength and power of their idea. Today you Americans call the sum of their deliberations the “Declaration of Independence” and the “Constitutiom of the United Staes”.
There is nothing to stop the convening of a third Continental Congress. The founders had that in mind, they expected it, they hoped for it. None of the Founders actually belonged to a party; they were simply visionary citizens.
It’s not that hard to think out of the box; the Founders already did. Their expectation was that in time, so would you. The onous is on the American people to Preserve and Protect. Don’t expect frat boys to do it for you.
Allen/Vancouver

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 16 2005 4:25 utc | 27

third party……real solutions to problems instead of just bitching…..shouldn’t be that hard to look better than bush and bush-lite……anti-war….pro national healthcare plan

Posted by: lenin’s ghost | Aug 16 2005 5:15 utc | 28

Lenin’ G, it will never ever happen as long as the rethugs and their partners in crime i.e. the democraps, control the F.E.C. (Federal Election Conspracy.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 16 2005 5:23 utc | 29

Lenin’ G, it will never ever happen as long as the rethugs and their partners in crime i.e. the democraps, control the F.E.C. (Federal Election Conspracy.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 16 2005 5:28 utc | 30

I like that. democraps.

Posted by: jm | Aug 16 2005 6:11 utc | 31

I posted this on another thread last week but it fits here too.

Emergence of the Progressive Blogosphere:
A New Force in American Politics
Since March of 2005, the total number of blogs has grown from 7.8 million to 14.2 million. At this rate, the online universe is doubling in size every five months.This memo is a comprehensive look at the underlying dynamics of these online communities, along with a targeted analysis of how to engage them to generate political power.

Posted by: beq | Aug 16 2005 12:37 utc | 32

CAN YOU SAY WHIMPS?”

Posted by: Groucho | Aug 16 2005 12:57 utc | 33

You’d think the Dems would have enough truth to be incendiary with. They could insist that the Abu Ghraib videos be made public, and support Seymour Hersh’s story on the chain-of-command.

Posted by: catlady | Aug 16 2005 16:17 utc | 34

Hopefully the “Dems” will get crushed, ground into the dirt. They’re sooo far to the right of center now, you need binocs to see ’em. Only the robots – I am 18 therefore I must vote – will turnout. But then for all the yakk about RR’s mandate, he won in ’80 w/ 27% of the eligible voters.

Posted by: jj | Aug 17 2005 18:59 utc | 35