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July 20, 2005
Gone but Not Forgotten

Gone but Not Forgotten

remembereringgiap:

the death of general ‘bodycount’ westmoreland leaves the mass of the people with one mass murderer less. there is nothing to distinguish this man – neither as a military nor as a strategic thinker. i am not alone in that understanding. even at the colleges of war of the empire his reputation was & remains at a very base level. not only did he lose to an ‘inferior force’ but faced with imminent defeat at each turn, he was like the butcher generals of the first world war & sacrificed the children of the working class & minorites. he did so without blushing. like all butchers of his kind – they care nothing for their soldiery – they are small coins in his pockets or worse as the sicilians say – stones in his shoe

the man i honour & honour still – the great general giap understood what a westmoreland could not. that a peoples war is in the heart of the people. that is also true in iraq no matter how many demonise it – the war that is taking place has begun in the hearts of the iraqi people. their hearts are not represented in the puppet parliaments

what giap understood from the beginning is that people make history & not the other way around & in the real war that was the determining factor because even at a local level the soldiers of the viet cong & the nva always showed great inventiveness, imagination & when necessary a devouring ferocity

they did so because as they understood from uncle ho – that there is nothing more precious than national independence & freedom – they fought agressor after agressor until finally – the heart of the puppet government collapsed in 1975. & it was just wind. soldiers dropped their clothes in the streets & welcomed their liberation. that was a real liberation that a rumsfield can only imagine in his worst nightmares

westmoreland was one of those less than intelligent military leaders – much like the leadership of south africa under apartheid could have drawn the fundamental lessons much much earlier than they did – by prolonging it – they brought only bloodshed – they brought nothing back

& that pumped up kinsman kissinger – who parades pompously as if he was the greatest diplomat, the most esteemed purveyor of the great machiaveli was so stupid he gained nothing – not even in the short term – everything they constructed collapsed & collapsed catastrophically

under westmoreland’s control – the specifically terrorist actions of special forces was to be perfected for the coming period in latin america africa & other parts of asia – there can be no question that this is the point where the american army & the nazi einsatzgruppen became one & i would not be surprised given their relationship with gehlen amongst others that they did study their methods. vietnamisation, the phoenix programme, the illegal entries into cambodia were of a kind any real soldier would be deeply ashamed of – this was not war – it was terrorism

it was under westmorelands leadership that the cia & american air began collecting the funds through the cultivation of heroin for the operations for the wars to come

he was an indecent man a man who not only does not deserve our thoughts or even our concern – we should all watch by his grave to make sure he is dead

Comments

That last quote really shows how ignorant he remained of what motivates human beings. “We Caucasians”… Feh! He didn’t even know the meaning of “we officers”.

Posted by: citizen | Jul 20 2005 6:11 utc | 1

Hmmm the post changed so now it ends with rgiap’s elegantly fitting last words.
By “last quote” in my post above I meant Billmon’s last quote.

Posted by: citizen | Jul 20 2005 6:24 utc | 2

I was also thinking about that naively racist remark of Westmoreland’s, a direct outgrowth of the “the Asiatic places a lower value on human life” mantra of the C19 imperialists, a British Empah meme.
and I was thinking, you moron, Westmoreland, didn’t you reckon the difference between conscripted troops who are invading someone else’s country for reasons that many of them don’t fully understand or agree with, and people who are fighting on their native soil to repel invaders? why do you suppose one side is willing to take bigger risks and heavier losses?
he must have also believed that “non-Caucasians” did not, could not, value home/country/family in the way that he and other superior Anglo males would naturally do.
I wonder, if the Chinese ever conquer N America, will some Chinese general go on the record wondering why the gwailo fought so hard, wasted so many lives, refused to capitulate like sensible people? “these non-Asiatics just don’t value human life the way we Chinese do.” sigh.

Posted by: DeAnander | Jul 20 2005 6:36 utc | 3

The thing about Westmoreland is that there was so much to be learned from his mistakes and his crimes — and the Army swore it had absorbed the lessons. But as soon as it gets into similiar situation, s similiar kind of war, it makes EXACTLY the same mistakes and commits EXACTLY the same crimes — plus some that Westmoreland never imagined. The Army learned NOTHING from Vietnam, except how to blame others for its own failings.

Posted by: Billmon | Jul 20 2005 6:54 utc | 4

RE Westmoreland, Billmon, I believe that the US Army then learned what it needed to know about revolutionary wars but that the US Army changed during the 1990s as that generation faded from command positions. The new US Army leadership came up during the 1980s, when all they knew was how successful they had been against the Soviets, which culminated in Gulf War I. It was just like WW2 all over again, when the officers which came out of that war decided they knew all that needed to be learned about how to make war.
For chrissake, the US military can’t even remember stuff it should know by heart, like how to conduct close air support for the Army. The Army and Air Force must relearn how to do it during every war since WW2. And the tactical air commanders perfected it during WW2. Look at how the Army had planned for the post-surrender administration of Europe and Japan and how badly this Army bungled the job. The US culture just militates against remembering anything longer than about three months and it shows everywhere.

Posted by: PrahaPartizan | Jul 20 2005 10:57 utc | 5

There’s a light at the end of the tunnel. Walk toward it, General.

Posted by: Brian C.B. | Jul 20 2005 11:46 utc | 6

Visit homepage to reinforce what Billmon and Giap just said.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 20 2005 12:02 utc | 7

May the sanctimonious bastard rot in hell.

Posted by: Lupin | Jul 20 2005 12:15 utc | 8

Thank you for this retrospective, Billmon.
I lived through that period thinking when will this hell of idiocy and body counts ever end. And here we are again. Now, even if there comes to be a reanactment of April 30, 1975, at some point in Baghdad, there will still be Kabul, Tehran, Damascus, anywhere in the -stans where Rumsfeld has commited US troops and strategic bases. Endless idiocy and body counts.
What DeAnander says. I would add that Americans should rewatch Mel Gibson’s The Patriot and imagine the Chinese in place of the British, or Iraqis.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jul 20 2005 13:02 utc | 9

The Army learned NOTHING from Vietnam, except how to blame others for its own failings.
Posted by: Billmon | July 20, 2005 02:54 AM | #

Do you really think it’s institutional myopia?
Didn’t the civilian authorities – Rummies minions – have to fire certain key generals to intimidate the rest of the general staff and persuade them that they are going to fight a losing war whether they like it or not.
The army is in neo con captivity, not institutional denial.
Am I being too generous to the senior officers?
What is facinating is how the right wing foreign policy establishment can ignore the lessons of Vietnam and expect different results the second time round. That’s the puzzle. Why is ignoring the lessons of Vietnam so fundamental to the American Right?

Posted by: Scott McArthur | Jul 20 2005 13:53 utc | 10

It makes more sense if you back off with the accusations of idiocy and confront the high probability that Rummy and his gang know what they are doing. What could that be? Surely it is making all war all the time, but the objective can’t be just winning with minimal loss of life, as we Yankees have always pretended to enjoy.
If you get out of the box it becomes apparent that these reptiles follow a logic which is very difficult for normal humans to decipher. And of course they are never willing to teach us the intricacies of it either. Sharing is not one of their strong suits.

Posted by: rapt | Jul 20 2005 14:42 utc | 11

Surely it is making all war all the time

Ledeen quotes Machiavelli approvingly on what makes a great leader. “A prince must have no other objectives or other thoughts or take anything for his craft, except war.”  To Ledeen, this meant: “…the virtue of the warrior are those of great leaders of any successful organization.”  Yet it’s obvious that war is not coincidental to neocon philosophy, but an integral part.  The intellectuals justify it, and the politicians carry it out.  There’s a precise reason to argue for war over peace according to Ledeen, for “…peace increases our peril by making discipline less urgent, encouraging some of our worst instincts, in depriving us of some of our best leaders.”  Peace, he claims, is a dream and not even a pleasant one, for it would cause indolence and would undermine the power of the state. .

Posted by: annie | Jul 20 2005 15:27 utc | 12

westmoreland will go where all the mythologists & practitioners of imperialism go. insignificane. we are told recently in history that both montogomery & churchill were great generals when the contrary is the truth – between them they were responsible for more useless deaths than can be imagined. there was nothing intelligent about what they did – they protected their interests – when the russians & even the americans were demanding a second front these warriors wanted to protect their interests in greece
there is one general – other than zhukov & giap who were self evidently genius in the art of warfare. they had a ‘special’ gift – & he is general rokovsky (not sure if i have that name right) who fought so heroically against the germans with such invention ut even surprised the old thug stalin himself – & this general had been in stalins prison – had all his teeth kicked out but he invented what it means to wage war from the ground up – hat it meant to be a people’s army – something imperialist military can never be – they are just the bully boys of capital at the end of the day. nothing much more than that
coppola has kurtz calling generals like westmoreland ‘ grocery clerks’ & that is exactly what they were & are
i do not celebrate war nor the conducting of it but also at the end of the day – the only things imperialism fundamentally understands – is violence
the modern war is just an acceleration & excacerbation of that violence to which peoples & nations must use all the means that are available to them
giap was the li po of war but he waés capable of inflicting unforgettable violence in the most terrifying ways – dien ben phu & khe sahn are the obvious examples i have talked about here – but read michael herrs dispatches for an eerie sense of how the armies of giap won their wars
& the generals that are there now are evidently worse than westmoreland – demonstrably so – so i think it is quite just to call them stupid because anyone who has not learnt from the last century what war means ought to be working in the whitehouse where they practice it from a safe distance

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 20 2005 19:14 utc | 13

RGiap, your writing is inspirational.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 20 2005 20:44 utc | 14

cp
a raised clenched fist & an open heart, comapanero

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 20 2005 21:58 utc | 15