.. if Rove recklessly, if unknowingly, disclosed classified information, then failed to come forward in response to the president’s request, what choice would an a honorable president have but to fire his pasty white ass?
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July 11, 2005
WB: Cat Got His Tongue (+)
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And now, to match Tony “Ludicrous Diversion” Blair, we have Karl “Totally Ridiculous” Rove. Posted by: citizen | Jul 11 2005 7:31 utc | 1 Great post – – – As this tempests’ power lies a.k.a. a babe of truth, innocent to the world, is to be drowned in a bathtub of deception dark enough to blind all those weak enough, so as to isolate them in their vulnerable larval state. They are, after all lying also to each other in a (false) testament of their loyalty and obsession with mafia style honor. The true belivers here believe power itself can gild all doubt by fear, and so are in turn the most fearful themselves, blinded to the real world they so hope to control. For they cannot even control themselves, or their self. Posted by: anna missed | Jul 11 2005 9:30 utc | 3 The Vouching for Karl timeline deserves maximum pick-up; Billmon should cross-post it on Tom Tomorrow. Posted by: ralphbon | Jul 11 2005 10:46 utc | 4 Judges and prosecutors and reporters used to ask John Gotti what his career was, what he did for a living. Posted by: Antifa | Jul 11 2005 13:01 utc | 5 Where did Fitzgerald gain the clout to out Rove? Who’s his patron, or patrons? I’d say Powell, Mueller and Tenet, all three of whom were repeatedly humiliated and trivialized by Cheney and Rove from the onset of this particular disease. Those particular patrons (and their courtiers) must have fed an infinity of incriminating material to Fitzgerald–whose appointment they managed to gain–on a range of interlocking topics far wider than we’ll ever know. And this may have dawned on Damaged W. Goods rather late in the game. I mean, when he did he stop pushing for Bolton? Maybe a month ago? And as for Judith F. Miller–does anyone really believe she’s only holding out against the naming of a source for an unwritten story? Only the NYTimes would argue such a thing. Posted by: alabama | Jul 11 2005 13:05 utc | 6 What is it you think Rove is guilty of, lying? Posted by: Porco Rosso | Jul 11 2005 13:09 utc | 7 There is no accountibility in this administration for moral, legal or ethical transgressions or violations of the law. Rove won’t suffer in the slightest for what he’s done. We’re dealing with people who have gotten away with mass murder and waging of war justified by a mountain of lies and misrepresentations. Think about that. They’ve illegally killed people, thousands of people, and haven’t been charged with any crimes. They scoop people up in the middle of the night and send them to other countries to be tortured and killed. No indictments. Who the hell in their right mind thinks a little (criminal?) political hardball is gonna land Rove in hot water? Posted by: steve duncan | Jul 11 2005 13:12 utc | 8 Whether or not Rove pays any price now, the stalling worked: The Plame scandal remained submerged through the 2004 election, leaving Rove free to choreograph the distractions and smears that kept his boss in power. Posted by: ralphbon | Jul 11 2005 13:57 utc | 9 Would appear that Fitzgerald has Karl by the balls. How deep is the press management bench we wonder, if Karl has to take a leave of absence. Posted by: f’in idiot | Jul 11 2005 14:10 utc | 10 The facts are as Billmon put it, this Bushie admin lives by the lie and they just don’t care. For kick and giggles go the Drudge. They have a t-shirt posted showing Bushie with a long nose and liar printed all over it. The headline says it’s put out by move-on.org. Posted by: jdp | Jul 11 2005 14:14 utc | 11 ralphbon Posted by: slothrop | Jul 11 2005 14:49 utc | 12 [I posted this on another Rove related thread, but think its relevance remains (while the other thread seems dead).] Posted by: lone stranger | Jul 11 2005 14:50 utc | 13 Sorry. I effed up again. These internets are hard work. Really really hard work. Posted by: lone stranger | Jul 11 2005 14:57 utc | 15 I find Billmon’s in their own words posts to be the best posts on the net. I enjoy his writing, but there is something powerful about the quote chain that even the best writing can’t improve on. Posted by: Zach | Jul 11 2005 15:12 utc | 17 QUESTION: How does he know that? Posted by: Brian Boru | Jul 11 2005 15:47 utc | 18 slothrop, I suspect that Rove is a relatively minor, marginal figure in this proceeding. I can’t explain exactly why I believe this, but I think, in effect, that the misdeeds being studied are more “structural” than anything involving Rove, who’s chiefly a domestic political operator and a PR man. I think it may really have to do with Cheney’s determination to overwhelm State, CIA and even FBI in his mad drive to get this war to happen. We know there was plenty of resistance, and we know he knew no limits to Cheney’s enterprise. In the process of breaking the rules, he and his people would also have broken some laws. Maybe the Plame case is the one misdeed with the best chance of sticking in court, and if so, Fitzgerald would be bound to make it absolutely airtight before bringing charges. Those charges must be very impressive indeed, given the fury and determination of Judge Hogan to hold Miller and Cooper accountable (one of the few things we’ve been able to watch, thanks to the decisions of Time and Miller to fight it). Posted by: alabama | Jul 11 2005 15:50 utc | 19 “Cheney knew no limits to his enterprise” is what I meant to say. Posted by: alabama | Jul 11 2005 15:52 utc | 20 slothrop, I should have added that Novak, like Rove, would also be a marginal figure by this reckoning. But there’s another possibility: Novak may have told Fitzgerald a lot more than we know about, and is being protected by Fitzgerald as a privileged source. But if so, how would Fitzgerald have found a way to bring Novak on board? And if he brought him on board, was it only through a threat of indictment? Maybe, or maybe not. My own paranoid theory du jour runs as follows: both Fitzgerald and Novak are Roman Catholic, and we know that Novak is, if not a member of Opus Dei, then at least very close to that organization (since the man who converted him to Catholicism is known to be a member). Is it out of the realm of possibility that Fitzgerald might also be a member of Opus Dei? No, of course not, and if he’s indeed a member, and if he’s being supported by Opus Dei in his investigations, then an obvious question would arise as to the possible cause Opus Dei might have for urging its members to play by the rules. Does it have a problem with Cheney’s war? If so, I’d love to know what that problem might be. Maybe some of its members are also to be counted among the people at CIA and State who took a hit from Cheney. Posted by: alabama | Jul 11 2005 16:33 utc | 21 slothrop, I should have added that Novak, like Rove, would also be a marginal figure by this reckoning. But there’s another possibility: Novak may have told Fitzgerald a lot more than we know about, and is being protected by Fitzgerald as a privileged source. But if so, how would Fitzgerald have found a way to bring Novak on board? And if he brought him on board, was it only through a threat of indictment? Maybe, or maybe not. My own paranoid theory du jour runs as follows: both Fitzgerald and Novak are Roman Catholic, and we know that Novak is, if not a member of Opus Dei, then at least very close to that organization (since the man who converted him to Catholicism is known to be a member). Is it out of the realm of possibility that Fitzgerald might also be a member of Opus Dei? No, of course not, and if he’s indeed a member, and if he’s being supported by Opus Dei in his investigations, then an obvious question would arise as to the possible cause Opus Dei might have for urging its members to play by the rules. Does it have a problem with Cheney’s war? If so, I’d love to know what that problem might be. Maybe some of its members are also to be counted among the people at CIA and State who took a hit from Cheney. Posted by: alabama | Jul 11 2005 16:34 utc | 22 slothrop, I should have added that Novak, like Rove, would also be a marginal figure by this reckoning. But there’s another possibility: Novak may have told Fitzgerald a lot more than we know about, and is being protected by Fitzgerald as a privileged source. But if so, how would Fitzgerald have found a way to bring Novak on board? And if he brought him on board, was it only through a threat of indictment? Maybe, or maybe not. My own paranoid theory du jour runs as follows: both Fitzgerald and Novak are Roman Catholic, and we know that Novak is, if not a member of Opus Dei, then at least very close to that organization (since the man who converted him to Catholicism is known to be a member). Is it out of the realm of possibility that Fitzgerald might also be a member of Opus Dei? No, of course not, and if he’s indeed a member, and if he’s being supported by Opus Dei in his investigations, then an obvious question would arise as to the possible cause Opus Dei might have for urging its members to play by the rules. Does it have a problem with Cheney’s war? If so, I’d love to know what that problem might be. Maybe some of its members are also to be counted among the people at CIA and State who took a hit from Cheney. Posted by: alabama | Jul 11 2005 16:35 utc | 23 My computer doesn’t tell me when a post has gone through, but I can find out if I look at the thread on “preview”. Posted by: alabama | Jul 11 2005 16:42 utc | 24 When will the FBI sieze Rove’s computer and ransack his house? It seems that his position at the time did not warrant his access to most of this classified information. Let’s see the authorizations. Posted by: biklett | Jul 11 2005 16:49 utc | 25 Radio program in the 40s: Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Posted by: Billmon | Jul 11 2005 16:57 utc | 26 Congrats Billmon. You are linked in Froomkin`s White House Briefing
@alabama,and et al. Posted by: Juannie | Jul 11 2005 19:32 utc | 28 @Juannie – the hoster, typepad, has growth problems – can´t help it.
The press realy squezzzzed McClellan’s balls today – good for them. You are linked in Froomkin`s White House Briefing Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2005 20:37 utc | 30 billmon said: Posted by: JDMcKay | Jul 12 2005 0:12 utc | 31 |
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