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July 17, 2005
Open Thread 05-71

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According to this thought-provoking and rather frightening article on Common Dreams, US Still Pursuing Nuclear Options 60 Years After First Bomb, The US Strategic Command in Omaha, Nebraska, is reported to be developing “global strike” options, including a nuclear option, against potential adversaries with nuclear weapons such as Iran and North Korea.
There was a time where I trusted nuclar arms in the hands of the US, despite the extremely valid arguments about & against the Hiroshima strike.
No more.

Posted by: Lupin | Jul 17 2005 6:58 utc | 1

Kristof in NYT:

Many conservatives in and out of the Bush administration assume that North Korea’s population must be seething and that the regime must be on its last legs. Indeed, the Bush administration’s policy on North Korea, to the extent that it has one, seems to be to wait for it to collapse.
I’m afraid that could be a long, long wait. The central paradox of North Korea is this: No government in the world today is more brutal or has failed its people more abjectly, yet it appears to be in solid control and may even have substantial popular support.

If the American policy premise about North Korea – that it is near collapse – is highly dubious, our essential policy approach is even more so. The West should be trying to break that hermetic seal, to increase interactions with North Korea and to infiltrate into North Korea the most effective subversive agents we have: overweight Western business executives.
Instead, we maintain sanctions, isolate North Korea and wait indefinitely for the regime to collapse. I’m afraid we’re helping the Dear Leader stay in power.

Posted by: b | Jul 17 2005 7:24 utc | 2

Julian Borger reporting on the Plame investigation in The Guardian 2/11/04:

“Three of the five people who are targets work or worked in Cheney’s office,” the (informed) source said.
He added that members of the defence policy board, a Pentagon advisory group, are also under scrutiny.

James Woolsey and Richard Perle sat on the Defense Policy Board and are possible sources of the Plame info for the administration and/or like minded folks at INR. Woolsey would know Plame from his time as CIA director and that could account for the Valerie Plame/Wilson switcheroo. Woolsey’s professional contact predated the marriage to Amb. Wilson.
And someone should get Greg Thielmann on the record about this leak – he resigned from INR either just before or just after the Marc Grossman memo was generated. I’ll bet he has a good handle on the dynamics of that office and just who generated the memo for Grossman. Was the memo stovepiped to the Iraq Policy Group at the same time it was generated – making Colin Powell prancing up and down the aisles of Air Force One irrelevant?

Posted by: joejoejoe | Jul 17 2005 7:55 utc | 3

Hybrid stupiditiy: Hybrid Cars Burning Gas in the Drive for Power

The 2005 Honda Accord hybrid gets about the same miles per gallon as the basic four-cylinder model, according to a review by Consumer Reports, a car-buyer’s guide, and it saves only about two miles a gallon compared with the V-6 model on which it is based. Thanks to the hybrid technology, though, it accelerates better.
Hybrid technology, it seems, is being used in much the same way as earlier under-the-hood innovations that increased gasoline efficiency: to satisfy the American appetite for acceleration and bulk.
Despite the use of hybrids to achieve better performance with about the same fuel economy, consumers who buy the cars continue to get a tax credit that the Internal Revenue Service allows under a “clean fuels” program that does not take fuel savings into account.

A simple gas tax, not tax credit for specific technology, would solve such stupid developments.

Posted by: b | Jul 17 2005 8:02 utc | 4

B,
According to Edmunds, Honda Accord’s gas mileage for the different models is:
4 cyl manual 26/34 (city/hwy)
4 cyl auto 24/34
6 cyl auto 21/30
6 cyl auto hyb 29/37
I haven’t read the Consumer Reports’ article, so they may be debunking the hybrid’s mileage claim. The tax credit doesn’t make up for much of the mark up for buying a hybrid, so I doubt many will spring for it.

Posted by: lonesomeG | Jul 17 2005 9:03 utc | 5

@b

The West should be trying to break that hermetic seal, to increase interactions with North Korea and to infiltrate into North Korea the most effective subversive agents we have: overweight Western business executives.
Instead, we maintain sanctions, isolate North Korea and wait indefinitely for the regime to collapse. I’m afraid we’re helping the Dear Leader stay in power.

To what purpose infiltrate into North Korea the most effective subversive agents we have? An over-riding concern for the welfare of North Koreans?
The “West” should fuck-off and mind their own business.

Posted by: DM | Jul 17 2005 10:01 utc | 6

@DM – I do not agree – North Korea is by all accounts now the most fascist state on this planet. Information and contact to foreigners can help to break that regime. Therefore I think that sanctions are the worst method. It is only because there are these sanctions and therefore very little contact to the outside that keeps the regime up. Trade is the way to open it.

Posted by: b | Jul 17 2005 10:23 utc | 7

This from the Boston Federal Reserve PDF

Depending on the scenario, the current labor force shortfall ranges from 1.6 million to 5.1 million men and women. With 7.9 million people currently unemployed, the addition of these hypothetical participants would raise the unemployment rate by 1 to 3 ‐plus percentage points. Current low rates of labor market participation thus potentially represent considerable slack in the U.S. labor market.

As often said the US unemployment numbers are much higher than the official number.

Posted by: b | Jul 17 2005 10:26 utc | 8

One of Britain’s most senior former diplomats has branded the US invasion of Iraq “politically illegitimate” in an incendiary new book that the government has moved to block, a British newspaper reported.
Sir Jeremy Greenstock, who was British ambassador to the United Nations during the run-up to the 2003 invasion, makes the comments in a book entitled “The Cost of War”, excerpts of which were quoted in Sunday’s The Observer.
UN negotiations “never rose over the level of awkward diversion for the US administration”, he charges in an extract published in the paper.
While “honourable decisions” were made to remove former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, the opportunities of the post-conflict period were wasted by “poor policy analysis and narrow-minded execution,” he charges.
The Observer claims that the book is being held up by Prime Minister Tony Blair’s office and the Foreign Office, which it says have asked Greenstock to strike out a number of passages.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 17 2005 12:01 utc | 9

Billmon has a Today in Iraq type post up now.
Surely he could link here himself.
Meanwhile Bernhard. Thanks for Moon of Alabama.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 17 2005 12:38 utc | 10

A documentary on North Korea aired this evening here in Japan, with extensive clandestine video footage taken by a source inside the country.
It is planting season, and every able-bodied person available has apparently been dragooned to help with rice planting, because the agricultural infrastructure and workforce have been pretty well decimated by the onslaught of corruption, resource demands from the military, and the attractions of an emerging market in local bazaars. There is a fertilizer shortage, of all things. One scene showed a crowd scrambling to scavenge fertilizer spilled from a government truck, with an immediate ad hoc auction of the gleanings among the scavengers. The police have been known to carry out night raids for night soil.
I suppose you might call the North a totalitarian kleptocracy. Looks pretty grim, but the police state machinery seems to be in good shape, and I imagine that an awful lot of people could end up starving to death before the system collapses.
On the other hand, I’m sure that the people doing the starving don’t have access to the launch button, so I guess there’s nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Jassalasca Jape | Jul 17 2005 12:39 utc | 11

Some interesting anomalies in the Suicide Bomber view of 7/7 via the uk Mirror. The questions raised are not tinfoil in the least.
WAS IT SUICIDE?

Posted by: tgs | Jul 17 2005 16:02 utc | 12

Here is my post with a link that actually works.
WAS IT SUICIDE?

Posted by: tgs | Jul 17 2005 16:08 utc | 13

MSNBC
Well, Cooper names Libby and Rove. This raises the stakes just a bit for the spin-machine folks, who are doubtless doling out their answers to an ever-obliging Beltway echo chamber. But one thing has to bother them: the higher one’s place in the pyramid, the broader the base of the pyramid below you, by which I think I mean that the pathways open to a classified leak at the top will multiply exponentially as the leak flows down the pyramid. However unknowable those pathways may be to the leakers at the top of the pyramid, they are discoverable by a resourceful investigator taking his time and care, yielding opportunities to persue perjury and obstruction charges all over the place.

Posted by: alabama | Jul 17 2005 16:46 utc | 14

@Lupin: You used to trust the U.S. with nuclear weapons? Man, I thought I was easygoing! Nobody can be trusted with nuclear weapons, for the simple reason that nobody stays in power indefinitely. No matter how honest, upright, and generally trustworthy a person may be, someday, they will lose power, retire, or die, and there is no way to guarantee that their replacement will be as nice as they are—or even that their replacement will automatically receive control of the weapons. The exact same thing goes for biological weapons.

Posted by: Blind Misery | Jul 17 2005 17:05 utc | 15

To refine on my post of 12:46 PM: if someone lower down on the pyramid having security clearance shares a third-hand rumor about secret material with someone lacking such clearance, then the secret-sharer’s could be in deep trouble with the law. An example might be Douglas Feith leaking the Plame story to a right-wing journalist in his circle of trusted friends.

Posted by: alabama | Jul 17 2005 17:32 utc | 16

And another refinement: it’s hard to imagine the multiple tempi of Fitzgerald’s investigation–here very fast, there very slow, at other moments very slow indeed. But of one thing we can be absolutely sure: Cheney’s gang will try to retard any process issuing out the investigation. I imagine all kinds of dilatory maneuvers on their part, many of which they’ve already practiced with some diligence. And here’s where the judges will have to prove their mettle, as indeed they’ve already done when approving various subpoenas and denying various appeals. Let’s pray for determination on their parts!

Posted by: alabama | Jul 17 2005 17:45 utc | 17

Anti Shell Protesters in Ireland Smeared By Biggest Selling Newspaper in Ireland as – you’ve guessed it –
Here are some
Pictures. Do These People look like terrorists to y’all?

Posted by: d*u** as a r*le | Jul 17 2005 18:27 utc | 18

And now for a terrorist utterance of my own: as of 18 July 2005, any person, in any medium, on any topic, found in any way to be communicating with Cheney, Rove or any member of their team, is to be regarded as a partisan of that team, with his or her reputation and credibility to be fed to the flames of the Better Blogosphere, being reduced to cinders thereby, those cinders being scattered promptly thereafter to the four winds from a high mountain whose location has yet to be disclosed. The execution of this sentence will be referred to, in future times, as “the fate befalling Bob Woodward”.

Posted by: alabama | Jul 17 2005 18:29 utc | 19

Sorry Made a bollix of that: Here’s what I meant
Anti Shell Protesters in Ireland Smeared By Biggest Selling Newspaper in Ireland as – you’ve guessed it – Terrorists
Here are some Pictures. Do These People look like terrorists to y’all?

Posted by: d*u** as a r*le | Jul 17 2005 18:29 utc | 20

According to Cooper (I couldn’t copy a portion the page to paste from your link, Alabama)
Rove said the woman worked for the agency on WMD and then said..I’ve already said too much.
does the actual name matter???
why should it? isn’t the relevant information CIA/WMDs?
the “I’ve already said to much” is just precious. I can just hear Rove talking to some other reporter saying…McCain’s a nutcase..oh, I’ve already said too much…and he has “mixed race” child…oh, I’ve already said too much…and Ann Richards…sure she’s a reformed alcoholic…but why isn’t she married…maybe she likes girls a little too much…oh, but I’ve already said too much…
and, (cue scary music) at that link, Podesta, from that pic, looks like my ex…that was a weird moment…what’s he (my ex, not Podesta) doing on MSNBC? …it’s early for me. stayed up late with the sleepover posse at my house…
Obviously I’m not too much of a political junkie if I don’t even know what they guy looks like, or maybe he doesn’t look like that pic. eeeeeeeekkkk!

Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 17 2005 20:05 utc | 21

LA Times Front Page Feature art. today is background piece on China’s energy situation & oil deals around the globe. It underscores why I think this Admin. is, or certainly should be, toast. China Stakes Claim for Global Oil Access
A Must Read Article for any evaluation of this Admin. Even by the most narrow minded utilitarian standards imaginable these Bastards have been a disastrous failure. The Oil Guys seize power, you’d think the one legacy they’d leave would be secure access to oil supplies. Remember Cheney’s Energy Task Force?? (But then Cheney gets rich off Halliburton, not oil companies… And throw in that it was Cheney who arranged for Piratization of huge chunks of the military, before he raced off to Halliburton to clean up on this.) In fact, their Fascist methods have insured the opposite, as countries around the globe, from Africa to Canada, rush to make deals w/China. But they’re too incompetent even to have noticed til China delivered the coup de grace, swooping in on Am. oil co:
Before the Unocal bid, Beijing’s activities had attracted relatively little attention from a U.S. administration focused on Iraq, Washington’s war on terrorism and other foreign policy priorities.
“We’re still trying to get a handle on what’s happened on our watch,” said a senior State Department official who asked not to be identified…

Putting it all in context, you get the clear impression that these guys are far more interested in War even than Oil. We’ve got to reverse this Piratization of the military to ratchet down the incentives for warwarwarwarwarwarwarwarwar.

Posted by: jj | Jul 17 2005 21:59 utc | 22

@d*u** as a r*le
TIOCFAIDH AR LA (“Our Day Will Come”)!

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 17 2005 23:11 utc | 23

@jj While I commend your effort to ascribe some patriotic motive to Cheney and co I find it facile to imagine that Leopold’s motives are anything other than maximising profits for energy corporations and their shareholders. Leo and the gang have been pretty successful at thatconsidering that oil prices have nearly tripled during his reign and in most cases costs haven’t. That is the bulk of oil that these parasites resell has probably been bought years ago under long term fixed price contract. Is that the case with Unocal? Or do those contracts just guarantee access at current price? I don’t know but given that the talking head security spruikers that pass for economic experts are saying that the current oil price is about correct when you look at the ’72 real cost and add inflation, we can assume that the Unocal deal is about the gang exercising their god given right to sell at the top of the market.
The consensus amongst the spruikers appears to be that current prices are about what the market will bear without imploding the economy; so the sale of a second string oil producer is probably seen as little more than a bit of ‘harmless profit taking’.
Lets not be putting too big a monkey on Leo’s back! If you’re in the game you’ll be able to afford the new reality if you’re not well hell whose fault is that?

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 18 2005 2:51 utc | 24

BREAKING NEWS:
WEATHER CHANNEL INDICTMENTS COMING DOWN!

Posted by: Groucho | Jul 18 2005 3:25 utc | 25

THINGS GET COMPLICATED WHEN YOU GET PAST EIGHTEEN.
SEE ABOVE LINK.

Posted by: Groucho | Jul 18 2005 3:34 utc | 26

Groucho:
Maybe I missed the sarcasm, however I read the whole article and it seems to be much ado about nothing.
EPA and other gov’t agencies pay money to all sorts of people to promote research and dissemination of information. The information was accurate, not misleading and did not promote a particular policy agenda.
It was not the same as a VNR and the Weather Channnel stands it’s credibility next to the reports as well. It has nothing similar to the VNR’s.

Posted by: Bubb Rubb | Jul 18 2005 3:40 utc | 27

Wasn’t any sarcasm intended BR.

Posted by: Groucho | Jul 18 2005 4:03 utc | 28

@ duasarle,
The Independent requires we register to see the linked article. Can you excerpt a quote here?

Posted by: gylangirl | Jul 18 2005 5:05 utc | 29

@ gylangirl
When in doubt and you need to access a site without burning yet another email addy with spam or the tinfoil hat isn’t handy I reckon bugmenot
is tough to beat

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 18 2005 5:22 utc | 30

The Independent requires we register to see the linked article. Can you excerpt a quote here?
i read on kos most newspapers are registered w/ username dailykos and email address kos@dailykos.com
it works for me , and i read the article

Posted by: annie | Jul 18 2005 6:44 utc | 31

Tube bombs ‘linked to Iraq conflict’

In the most politically sensitive finding, Chatham House, which used to be known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs, concludes there is “no doubt” the invasion of Iraq has “given a boost to the al-Qaida network” in “propaganda, recruitment and fundraising”, while providing an ideal targeting and training area for terrorists. “Riding pillion with a powerful ally has proved costly in terms of British and US military lives, Iraqi lives, military expenditure and the damage caused to the counter-terrorism campaign.”
This finding runs counter to the line from Downing Street, which has sought to detach Iraq from the London attacks.

Posted by: b | Jul 18 2005 9:10 utc | 32

6/7: the massacre of the poor that the world ignored

But the battle over Haiti’s future rages on. Most recently, on July 6, 300 UN troops stormed the pro-Aristide slum of Cité Soleil. The UN admits that five were killed, but residents put the number of dead at no fewer than 20. A Reuters correspondent, Joseph Guyler Delva, says he “saw seven bodies in one house alone, including two babies and one older woman in her 60s”. Ali Besnaci, head of Médecins Sans Frontières in Haiti, confirmed that on the day of the siege an “unprecedented” 27 people came to the MSF clinic with gunshot wounds, three-quarters of them women and children.

Aristide is certainly no saint, but even if the worst of the allegations against him are true, they pale next to the rap sheets of the convicted killers, drug smugglers and arms traders who ousted him. Turning Haiti over to this underworld gang out of concern for Aristide’s lack of “good governance” is like escaping an annoying date by accepting a lift home from Charles Manson.
A few weeks ago I visited Aristide in Pretoria, South Africa, where he lives in forced exile. I asked him what was really behind his dramatic falling-out with Washington. He offered an explanation rarely heard in discussions of Haitian politics – actually, he offered three: “Privatisation, privatisation and privatisation.”

But when Aristide announced that no sales could take place until parliament had approved the new laws, Washington cried foul. Aristide says he realised then that what was being attempted was an “economic coup”. “The hidden agenda was to tie my hands once I was back and make me give for nothing all the state public enterprises.”
He threatened to arrest anyone who went ahead with privatisations. “Washington was very angry at me. They said I didn’t respect my word, when they were the ones who didn’t respect our common economic policy.”
The US cut off more than $500m in promised loans and aid, starving his government, and poured millions into the coffers of opposition groups, culminating ultimately in the February 2004 armed coup.
And the war continues. On June 23 Roger Noriega, US assistant secretary of state for western hemisphere affairs, called on UN troops to take a more “proactive role” in going after armed pro-Aristide gangs. In practice, this has meant a wave of collective punishment inflicted on neighbourhoods known for supporting Aristide, most recently in Cité Soleil on July 6.

Posted by: b | Jul 18 2005 9:19 utc | 33

A good NYT OpEd: America’s Truth Deficit

But on the crucial question of how policy makers define “national interest,” Washington stands alone. Western Europe, whatever its problems, manages economic policy to maintain modest trade surpluses. Japan manages to insure far larger surpluses in recessions (its export income subsidizes inefficient domestic employers). China strives to acquire a larger, more advanced industrial base at the expense of worker incomes and bank profits. Germany and Japan, despite vast differences, both manage to keep advanced manufacturing sectors anchored at home and to defend domestic wage levels and social guarantees. When they do disperse production and jobs overseas, as they must, they do so strategically.
By contrast, Washington defines “national interest” primarily in terms of advancing the global reach of our multinational enterprises. Elites are persuaded by the reigning orthodoxy that subsidiary domestic interests will ultimately benefit too. The distinctive power of America’s globalized companies is reflected in trade patterns. Nearly half of American exports and imports are not traded in open markets – the price auction idealized by neoclassical economics – but within the companies themselves, moving materials and components back and forth among their far-flung factories. A trade deficit does not show on the company’s balance sheet, only on the nation’s. In recent years, much of the trade deficit has reflected the value-added production and jobs that companies moved elsewhere.
The United States is thus especially vulnerable to the downward pressures on working-class wages that exist on both ends of the global system. American producers are generally free – and even encouraged by Washington – to shift production to low-wage locations. Companies regularly use this cost-cutting technique as a competitive weapon without regard to the domestic consequences. The practice works for companies and investors, but not so well for a nation.
INDEED, the cumulative effects of retarding labor incomes worldwide repeatedly threatens stagnation or worse for the entire system. Workers, to put it crudely, cannot buy what the world can make. Too much capital leads to the speculative “bubbles” that bounce around the world, visiting financial crisis on rich and poor alike.
At a different moment in history, American leadership might have stepped up to these disorders and led the way to solutions. If globalization is to continue without encountering more crisis and random destruction, governments must together shift the balance of power so labor incomes can rise in step with rising productivity and profits. If the United States is to avert its own reckoning, it must take decisive action to draw firm limits on its exposure to trade deficits, that is, resign its position as the open-armed buyer of last resort. In effect, Washington would also reform its own national interest imperatives so that they more closely resemble what other nations already embrace. Ultimately, American remedial action may protect the global system from its own crisis – the moment when trading partners discover they have just lost their best customer.
But to describe plausible remedies is to explain why none are likely. The webs of mutual interests connecting government, corporate boardrooms and Wall Street are too deeply woven, as are habits of thought among policy makers and politicians. So I do not expect anything fundamental will be altered in time. We are going to find out if the dissenters are right.

Posted by: b | Jul 18 2005 9:56 utc | 34

In case anyone is interested in the “architect” of the
CIA Italian kidnapping fiasco (Abu Omar kidnapped and “rendered” to Egypt),
this Cryptome link offers a good bit of personal detail,
although it tells us nothing more about the approval process than has already appeared in the Washington Post.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 18 2005 10:28 utc | 35

The Russian oil and gas industry remains a font of genuinely remarkable stories.
As to the first, the process of “losing” 7.8 billion cubic meters of anything staggers the imagination, while the second makes us wonder who’s behind the Tranquillo holding
with headquarters in Panama and Sibneft Shaw Carroll of the British Virgin Islands, where Roman Abramovich’s men are involved in a murky but presumably potentially lucrative legal hassle. Seemingly we have the names of the major players here, but lack a “score-card” that tells us what they’re up to and who
is “managing” them.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 18 2005 14:13 utc | 36

b real
You might appreciate the irony, or is it a provocation? Tancredo .

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 18 2005 17:40 utc | 37

ha. so tancredo shoots off more than his mouth, eh? thanks, slothrop.

Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2005 18:31 utc | 38

When will have 2 minutes of silence for the Iraqis murdered by suicide bombers?

Posted by: stitchwitch | Jul 18 2005 18:32 utc | 39

interesting drive through the ozarks yesterday..enjoying orchestra baobab while cruising along historic route 66..passed through the small town of cuba, missouri, yes, named after that island..passed a “trading post” whose sign out front had a welcoming picture of a beefy blue-eyed blond, mulleted hillbilly in dungarees & flannel, welcoming those in need of an assortment of cedar trinkets and pow/mia shot glasses..i waved back at the aryan hillbilly and pressed on, figuring if i ever needed a “round tuit”, then i’d stop..in town there were several large, freshly painted murals on the entire sides of several buildings..first block..lucky lindy & the spirit of ’76..next block..the flyboys of WWII, shipping off in a frisco car, white wives waving worriedly..third block..henry ford & a well-dressed family sqeezing into a model t for a leisurely drive somewhere..had to laugh..bookending the “heroic” fighters against hitler & fascism w/ two nazi supporters..i’m sure if i ventured off the main road that i would see murals of meyer lansky & santo trafficante..cuba, mo..yessir..american history..i turned up the boabab & headed on to the river. (and there, as i was putting my kayak in the water, several truckloads of folk started gathering in preparation for the baptism of a large woman waddling down the bank w/ her reclining lounger..i figured i’d better get the hell out of there)

Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2005 19:09 utc | 40

b real
sand creek massacre was in kiowa county.
astounding.

Posted by: slothrop | Jul 18 2005 20:54 utc | 41

b real
on the advice of counsel – get the fuck out of there

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 18 2005 21:11 utc | 42

slothrop- and he does this while pushing his anti-immigrant rhetoric. how subtle. i’d tend toward the provocation explanation myself. unless he really is that clueless. and judging from the times i forced myself listen to him rant & lie on cspan, i cannot rule that out either. he could easily cite the “historical record” & keep talking nonsense. still, the underlying msg is loud & clear to those targeted.

Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2005 21:24 utc | 43

r’giap- indeed. even more disturbing, around the first bend, a bridge. along w/ the typical graffiti, was a 3-foot-tall heart outline, encasing the letters ‘kkk’. and hanging off the bridge, two ropes dangling, at the end, nooses, stopping only feet above the water’s surface. somewhere a blogger is typing the sentence ‘we want our country back’. if the shit hits the fan here in the states & you happen hear a bbc report about someone kayaking across the atlantic, there’s a good chance that it’ll be me.

Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2005 21:39 utc | 44

& if you should het here b real – we will feed you & prepare you for the maquis

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 18 2005 22:31 utc | 45