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July 17, 2005
Open Thread 05-71
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According to this thought-provoking and rather frightening article on Common Dreams, US Still Pursuing Nuclear Options 60 Years After First Bomb, The US Strategic Command in Omaha, Nebraska, is reported to be developing “global strike” options, including a nuclear option, against potential adversaries with nuclear weapons such as Iran and North Korea. Posted by: Lupin | Jul 17 2005 6:58 utc | 1 Kristof in NYT:
Julian Borger reporting on the Plame investigation in The Guardian 2/11/04:
James Woolsey and Richard Perle sat on the Defense Policy Board and are possible sources of the Plame info for the administration and/or like minded folks at INR. Woolsey would know Plame from his time as CIA director and that could account for the Valerie Plame/Wilson switcheroo. Woolsey’s professional contact predated the marriage to Amb. Wilson. Hybrid stupiditiy: Hybrid Cars Burning Gas in the Drive for Power
A simple gas tax, not tax credit for specific technology, would solve such stupid developments. B, Posted by: lonesomeG | Jul 17 2005 9:03 utc | 5 @b
To what purpose infiltrate into North Korea the most effective subversive agents we have? An over-riding concern for the welfare of North Koreans? Posted by: DM | Jul 17 2005 10:01 utc | 6 @DM – I do not agree – North Korea is by all accounts now the most fascist state on this planet. Information and contact to foreigners can help to break that regime. Therefore I think that sanctions are the worst method. It is only because there are these sanctions and therefore very little contact to the outside that keeps the regime up. Trade is the way to open it. This from the Boston Federal Reserve PDF
As often said the US unemployment numbers are much higher than the official number. One of Britain’s most senior former diplomats has branded the US invasion of Iraq “politically illegitimate” in an incendiary new book that the government has moved to block, a British newspaper reported. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 17 2005 12:01 utc | 9 Billmon has a Today in Iraq type post up now. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jul 17 2005 12:38 utc | 10 A documentary on North Korea aired this evening here in Japan, with extensive clandestine video footage taken by a source inside the country. Posted by: Jassalasca Jape | Jul 17 2005 12:39 utc | 11 Some interesting anomalies in the Suicide Bomber view of 7/7 via the uk Mirror. The questions raised are not tinfoil in the least. Posted by: tgs | Jul 17 2005 16:02 utc | 12 Here is my post with a link that actually works. Posted by: tgs | Jul 17 2005 16:08 utc | 13 MSNBC Posted by: alabama | Jul 17 2005 16:46 utc | 14 @Lupin: You used to trust the U.S. with nuclear weapons? Man, I thought I was easygoing! Nobody can be trusted with nuclear weapons, for the simple reason that nobody stays in power indefinitely. No matter how honest, upright, and generally trustworthy a person may be, someday, they will lose power, retire, or die, and there is no way to guarantee that their replacement will be as nice as they are—or even that their replacement will automatically receive control of the weapons. The exact same thing goes for biological weapons. Posted by: Blind Misery | Jul 17 2005 17:05 utc | 15 To refine on my post of 12:46 PM: if someone lower down on the pyramid having security clearance shares a third-hand rumor about secret material with someone lacking such clearance, then the secret-sharer’s could be in deep trouble with the law. An example might be Douglas Feith leaking the Plame story to a right-wing journalist in his circle of trusted friends. Posted by: alabama | Jul 17 2005 17:32 utc | 16 And another refinement: it’s hard to imagine the multiple tempi of Fitzgerald’s investigation–here very fast, there very slow, at other moments very slow indeed. But of one thing we can be absolutely sure: Cheney’s gang will try to retard any process issuing out the investigation. I imagine all kinds of dilatory maneuvers on their part, many of which they’ve already practiced with some diligence. And here’s where the judges will have to prove their mettle, as indeed they’ve already done when approving various subpoenas and denying various appeals. Let’s pray for determination on their parts! Posted by: alabama | Jul 17 2005 17:45 utc | 17 Anti Shell Protesters in Ireland Smeared By Biggest Selling Newspaper in Ireland as – you’ve guessed it – Posted by: d*u** as a r*le | Jul 17 2005 18:27 utc | 18 And now for a terrorist utterance of my own: as of 18 July 2005, any person, in any medium, on any topic, found in any way to be communicating with Cheney, Rove or any member of their team, is to be regarded as a partisan of that team, with his or her reputation and credibility to be fed to the flames of the Better Blogosphere, being reduced to cinders thereby, those cinders being scattered promptly thereafter to the four winds from a high mountain whose location has yet to be disclosed. The execution of this sentence will be referred to, in future times, as “the fate befalling Bob Woodward”. Posted by: alabama | Jul 17 2005 18:29 utc | 19 Sorry Made a bollix of that: Here’s what I meant Posted by: d*u** as a r*le | Jul 17 2005 18:29 utc | 20 According to Cooper (I couldn’t copy a portion the page to paste from your link, Alabama) Posted by: fauxreal | Jul 17 2005 20:05 utc | 21 LA Times Front Page Feature art. today is background piece on China’s energy situation & oil deals around the globe. It underscores why I think this Admin. is, or certainly should be, toast. China Stakes Claim for Global Oil Access Posted by: jj | Jul 17 2005 21:59 utc | 22 @d*u** as a r*le Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 17 2005 23:11 utc | 23 @jj While I commend your effort to ascribe some patriotic motive to Cheney and co I find it facile to imagine that Leopold’s motives are anything other than maximising profits for energy corporations and their shareholders. Leo and the gang have been pretty successful at thatconsidering that oil prices have nearly tripled during his reign and in most cases costs haven’t. That is the bulk of oil that these parasites resell has probably been bought years ago under long term fixed price contract. Is that the case with Unocal? Or do those contracts just guarantee access at current price? I don’t know but given that the talking head security spruikers that pass for economic experts are saying that the current oil price is about correct when you look at the ’72 real cost and add inflation, we can assume that the Unocal deal is about the gang exercising their god given right to sell at the top of the market. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 18 2005 2:51 utc | 24 BREAKING NEWS: Posted by: Groucho | Jul 18 2005 3:25 utc | 25 THINGS GET COMPLICATED WHEN YOU GET PAST EIGHTEEN. Posted by: Groucho | Jul 18 2005 3:34 utc | 26 Groucho: Posted by: Bubb Rubb | Jul 18 2005 3:40 utc | 27 @ duasarle, Posted by: gylangirl | Jul 18 2005 5:05 utc | 29 @ gylangirl Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 18 2005 5:22 utc | 30 The Independent requires we register to see the linked article. Can you excerpt a quote here? Posted by: annie | Jul 18 2005 6:44 utc | 31 Tube bombs ‘linked to Iraq conflict’
6/7: the massacre of the poor that the world ignored
A good NYT OpEd: America’s Truth Deficit
In case anyone is interested in the “architect” of the Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 18 2005 10:28 utc | 35 The Russian oil and gas industry remains a font of genuinely remarkable stories. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 18 2005 14:13 utc | 36 b real Posted by: slothrop | Jul 18 2005 17:40 utc | 37 ha. so tancredo shoots off more than his mouth, eh? thanks, slothrop. Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2005 18:31 utc | 38 When will have 2 minutes of silence for the Iraqis murdered by suicide bombers? Posted by: stitchwitch | Jul 18 2005 18:32 utc | 39 interesting drive through the ozarks yesterday..enjoying orchestra baobab while cruising along historic route 66..passed through the small town of cuba, missouri, yes, named after that island..passed a “trading post” whose sign out front had a welcoming picture of a beefy blue-eyed blond, mulleted hillbilly in dungarees & flannel, welcoming those in need of an assortment of cedar trinkets and pow/mia shot glasses..i waved back at the aryan hillbilly and pressed on, figuring if i ever needed a “round tuit”, then i’d stop..in town there were several large, freshly painted murals on the entire sides of several buildings..first block..lucky lindy & the spirit of ’76..next block..the flyboys of WWII, shipping off in a frisco car, white wives waving worriedly..third block..henry ford & a well-dressed family sqeezing into a model t for a leisurely drive somewhere..had to laugh..bookending the “heroic” fighters against hitler & fascism w/ two nazi supporters..i’m sure if i ventured off the main road that i would see murals of meyer lansky & santo trafficante..cuba, mo..yessir..american history..i turned up the boabab & headed on to the river. (and there, as i was putting my kayak in the water, several truckloads of folk started gathering in preparation for the baptism of a large woman waddling down the bank w/ her reclining lounger..i figured i’d better get the hell out of there) Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2005 19:09 utc | 40 b real Posted by: slothrop | Jul 18 2005 20:54 utc | 41 b real Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 18 2005 21:11 utc | 42 slothrop- and he does this while pushing his anti-immigrant rhetoric. how subtle. i’d tend toward the provocation explanation myself. unless he really is that clueless. and judging from the times i forced myself listen to him rant & lie on cspan, i cannot rule that out either. he could easily cite the “historical record” & keep talking nonsense. still, the underlying msg is loud & clear to those targeted. Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2005 21:24 utc | 43 r’giap- indeed. even more disturbing, around the first bend, a bridge. along w/ the typical graffiti, was a 3-foot-tall heart outline, encasing the letters ‘kkk’. and hanging off the bridge, two ropes dangling, at the end, nooses, stopping only feet above the water’s surface. somewhere a blogger is typing the sentence ‘we want our country back’. if the shit hits the fan here in the states & you happen hear a bbc report about someone kayaking across the atlantic, there’s a good chance that it’ll be me. Posted by: b real | Jul 18 2005 21:39 utc | 44 & if you should het here b real – we will feed you & prepare you for the maquis Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jul 18 2005 22:31 utc | 45 |
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