.. lies and evasions are weapons that only work on the home front — and these days maybe not even there. They clearly don’t impress the insurgents/terrorists, who know weakness when they hear it.
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June 28, 2005
WB: Forewarned
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12 Years of the Neo Pentacost Posted by: tante aime | Jun 28 2005 6:24 utc | 1 “the number of Iraqi military and police being killed every month has risen from 160 at the handover to 219 today.” Posted by: jg | Jun 28 2005 6:31 utc | 2 The last quote is the key one. Too much military power makes intervention too easy — to begin. Posted by: sm | Jun 28 2005 6:33 utc | 3 who know weakness when they hear it Posted by: Gaianne | Jun 28 2005 7:00 utc | 4 I thought I’d move this up here as it may be of interest Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 28 2005 7:06 utc | 5 You cannot forewarn people who have already made up their mind about the way things are. They just won’t listen. So Billmon’s argument here misses the point – it was never a problem of not enough forewarnings being around (in an information society, how could it?). The problem was that the inner circles are completely deaf to the world outside their minds. Posted by: teuton | Jun 28 2005 7:32 utc | 6 “The sense of fear in Baghdad is difficult to convey. Petrol is such a necessity because people need to pick up their children from school because they are terrified of them being kidnapped. Parents mob the doors of schools and swiftly become hysterical if they cannot find their children. Doctors are fleeing the country because so many have been held for ransom, some tortured and killed because their families could not raise the money. Posted by: jg | Jun 28 2005 7:36 utc | 7 ‘Forewarned is forearmed’ is an Intelligence mantra.
Posted by: Outraged | Jun 28 2005 8:44 utc | 8 Apologies, here’s a working link: Posted by: Outraged | Jun 28 2005 8:48 utc | 9 Just listened to the Scott Ritter talk Uncle $cam pointed to. Let me urge you to take the time to listen to it. The Democratic Party must become the party of Victory. It must point out that we are losing the war on terror: allowing North Korea to build nuclear weapons, destroying our Army and Marine Corps in Iraq, alienating our allies, and squandering our national treasure (note: Iraq is Greenspan’s war, no easy money, no Iraq). Democrats must propose to WIN the war on terror. Nobody ever got a vote with an exit strategy. Posted by: arbogast | Jun 28 2005 10:22 utc | 11 arbogast: I half agree, but promising to win the unwinnable may set up expectations that will later bite Democrats in the ass. I have an alternative scenario: our exit strategy from Iraq goes through Afghanistan. We emphasize that the Iraq second front has led us into a situation where we are losing not just Iraq but also Afgahanistan and indeed the whole Global War on Terror. Sell cutting and running in Iraq not as cutting and running, but as a necessary strategic reorientation in the GWOT, sending the troops and the money where they are most needed. If we are hawkish enough on the GWOT, we maybe can distract the critics, just as Reagan used Grenada to distract people from his cutting and running in Lebanon. Who remembers Reagan as a coward who fled Lebanon with his tail between his legs, even though that’s what he was? Posted by: the exile | Jun 28 2005 13:31 utc | 12 What are the Roots of Terrorism and how do you end it ? Posted by: Outraged | Jun 28 2005 13:31 utc | 13
I know. But now that the Rovians have cranked up the stabbed-in-the-back propaganda, I think it’s more important than ever to remind people how the neocons got us into this mess.
The problem is that the American people won’t KNOW that we’re losing the war until a dirty bomb — or worse — goes off in a major American city, or a liquified gas tanker explodes in the port of Houston, or anthrax starts showing up not just in one post office but a 100. And by then it will be too late. Posted by: billmon | Jun 28 2005 13:59 utc | 14 Fabulous writing, sir. ‘Forewarned’ is one of your all-time best. Posted by: Wolf DeVoon | Jun 28 2005 14:04 utc | 15 Nobody ever got a vote with an exit strategy. Posted by: Nell | Jun 28 2005 14:54 utc | 16 RedDan at Steve Gilliard’s yesterday posted a link to the flash program Iraq War Fatalities Time and Place. Click on the Red Button. Draw your own conclusions. Posted by: Jim S | Jun 28 2005 14:56 utc | 17 I can’t listen to audio feeds on this machine. Can anyone who heard the Scott Ritter talk tell me what the evidence is that we’re already at war with Iran? I’m assuming it has to do with air incursions, but I’d like to hear more specifics. Posted by: Nell | Jun 28 2005 14:57 utc | 18 . . .the world’s most powerful military machine failed to recognize the risk of irregular warfare, and had no contingency plan for fighting it once it began. Posted by: davedave | Jun 28 2005 15:26 utc | 19 Nell, you can read Ritter making the same points here. (BTW, be aware that Ritter is still a right-winger. You’ll notice conservative call-words in the article, but don’t let that distract from his main points which stand on their own.) Billmon: The problem is that the American people won’t KNOW that we’re losing the war until a dirty bomb — or worse — goes off in a major American city, or a liquified gas tanker explodes in the port of Houston, or anthrax starts showing up not just in one post office but a 100. And by then it will be too late. It’s pretty obvious now that the Bilderburg club have given up on Bush and Blair. Posted by: Friendly Fire | Jun 28 2005 16:25 utc | 22 Twelve more years is exactly what the neocons envisioned in their Pax Americana. Develop a military presence in the Middle East, check. If we actually get peace in Iraq the U.N. expects us to leave, that would never work. These bumblers have bumbled, stumbled and fumbled there way into a pretty sweet deal. Step one, long-term military presence in Middle East in place, Haliburton and chronies doing well, oil industry profits up nicely, in their eyes they are the MEN. Posted by: gp | Jun 28 2005 18:26 utc | 23 teuton: You cannot forewarn people who have already made up their mind about the way things are. They just won’t listen. So Billmon’s argument here misses the point – it was never a problem of not enough forewarnings being around (in an information society, how could it?). The problem was that the inner circles are completely deaf to the world outside their minds. (see also outraged) Posted by: Noisette | Jun 28 2005 20:20 utc | 24 Was the Secretary of Defense ever briefed on the War College report? Were any of the members of his neocon inner circle? Were they made aware of the results of Unified Quest 2003? If so, did they take any steps — either before or after the invasion — to prepare for large-scale counterinsurgency or counterterrorism operations in Iraq? If not, why not? |
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