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June 13, 2005
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WTC collapse story bogus says Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for Bush’s Labor Department.

The criminal code requires that crime scene evidence be saved for forensic analysis but FEMA had it destroyed before anyone could seriously investigate it. FEMA was in position to take command because it had arrived the day before the attacks at New York’s Pier 29 to conduct a war game exercise, “Tripod II,” quite a coincidence.
—snip—
About a dozen of the fragmented ends of exterior columns in the North Tower hole were bent but the bends faced the “wrong way” because they pointed toward the outside of the Tower. This fact is troublesome for the official theory that a plane crash created the hole and subsequent explosion between floors 94 and 98. The laws of physics imply that a high-speed airplane with fuel-filled wings breaking through thin perimeter columns would deflect the shattered ends of the columns inward, if deflected in any direction, certainly not bend them outward toward the exterior.
A possible response would be that, well, yes, an airliner crash would bend a column inward rather than outward, if bent at all, but the subsequent force of a jet fuel blast would act in the opposite direction: any inward bends caused by plane impact would straighten toward vertical or even reverse the bent steel columns toward the exterior under blast pressure. However, such a proposed steel “reversal theory” (first bend inward by collision, then bend outward by explosion) suffers two major handicaps:
1.
No “inward-bending columns” were observed and it would be unlikely that each and every one would be reversed by subsequent explosion, and
2.
the hypothesis is ad hoc and lacks simplicity, both scientific negatives.
Occam’s razor would suggest that the outward bends in the perimeter columns were caused by explosions from inside the tower rather than bends caused by airliner impact from outside. Also supporting this theory is the fact that the uniformly neat ends of the blown perimeter columns are consistent with the linear shaped charges demolition experts use to slice steel as thick as 10 inches. The hypothesis of linear shaped charges also explains the perfectly formed crosses found in the rubble (crucifix-shaped fragments of core column structures), as well as the rather-neatly shorn steel everywhere.

There’s more, and it’s well worth a read.

Posted by: citizen | Jun 13 2005 7:13 utc | 1

Of course, faith-based science would suggest that God’s own president couldn’t possibly be associated with such a scandal – unless you actually read the Bible and its record of scandals by even divinely chosen leaders.
For people who actually live by the Word, we are cautioned that we will not escape the consequences of deceiving ourselves – and what a massive deception the WTC “collapse” is!

Posted by: citizen | Jun 13 2005 7:20 utc | 2

Yeah and while we’re on the subject what about that royal family eh!
Prince Charles=CHARLIE=English slang term for coke
They all ride horses=HORSE=another slang term for heroin!

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 13 2005 7:34 utc | 3

Citizen, glad you posted that here – I posted it last night on the last open thread, but that was clearly dying…
Yesterday, I started wondering if DeA- & Jerome had eloped. Sure enough. Too bad they’re using that godawful format.
Does anyone know anything about John Kerry teaming up w/Rick Santorum to accelerate the repug War on Women? (That answers any question about him running for anything ever again.)
“Pro-choice” John Kerry and zealot Rick Santorum are joint sponsors of a Senate bill to legalize pharmacists’ refusal to fill prescriptions for birth control and emergency contraception that “violate their beliefs.” Four states already have such laws; in other states, pharmacies restrict women’s access to these drugs by not stocking them.
Just found this in article on onlinejournal.com

Posted by: jj | Jun 13 2005 8:37 utc | 4

Why DID we invade Iraq?
Bush gave one reason, Cheney another, Condi another, the Pentagon another, the press another, Rummy and Crew another, each Congress critter cited his or her own, the tubefed multitudes all had their reasons, and new reasons are added almost daily as this thing boils over . . .
Ohhhh, Richard! It’s just too complex to ever figure out, to ever finally know — why DID we invade Iraq?
Unless . . . we talk about what goal every one of those myriad reasons points to. Let’s cook it down. What did everybody’s individual pot of justification stew have as a common ingredient? What was in every pot?
America Uber Alles. The PNAC creed.
Unspoken. Unexamined. Unquestioned.
Swallowed whole before discussion even began.
The presumption that we must come out ahead. That we deserve to be on top. Always. That America rules — or else.
That’s what we need to face, and disown, as a nation, as a people. That’s Lebensraum. That’s the Nazi creed of taking what you deem you need.
‘Or else’ is Cheney’s endless war from here on — until such time as we are stopped, just as the Nazis were stopped. That is all that lies down that road.
Are we, the American people, willing to live in this world without holding a pistol to their heads — all those variously unwashed, illiterate, multi-colored, billions of Others?
Are they all created equal, too? Are they human beings, with every one of our Declaration’s rights inborn? Do they deserve everything we deserve?
Or, are they untermenschen? Can we loot n’ shoot them, shock n’ awe, Baghdad style, and drive off into the sunset with what used to be theirs? Is everybody here . . . OK with that?
Are we, the people, willing to be one nation among a couple hundred nations? Talk things out, work things out, put the pistols down? Share? Or, is this whole planet our turf? Is Death to the Other our manifest destiny?
Nothing in America’s Declaration, Constitution, jurisprudence or international treaties asks or requires our loyalty to the PNAC creed. Quite the reverse.
With the Downing Street memo, and other papers, the recipe for this war is out in the open, and Americans of every stripe are asking themselves, who put Lebensraum in the soup?
The Project for a New American Century will get an up or down vote now, out on the street, where Frist can’t fudge or fake it.
As powerful as the sentiments that led to our first Revolution, as powerful as the sentiments that led to our Civil War, is the sentiment building among Americans today, as they realize the comic book creed of world conquest that Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld slipped into our stew, at the cost of our entire Treasury, twice over.
An all American sentiment — aboveboard, honest, straight and sunny — just as jake as calling a foul ball when you see one.
It’s simply this:
We Don’t Want To Rule The World.
And we’re not gonna do it, Dick.
ref: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Posted by: Antifa | Jun 13 2005 9:09 utc | 5

Antifa, I sense another front-page promotion coming on. I’m afraid that many Americans do want to rule the world, at least to the extent that the world should quietly do whatever they decide is in the best interests of the US. They don’t actually care enough to really want to rule, just control.

Posted by: Colman | Jun 13 2005 9:24 utc | 6

Psychological Warfare Effort To Be Outsourced
The U.S. Special Operations Command has hired three firms to produce newspaper stories, television broadcasts and Web sites to spread American propaganda overseas.
The use of contractors in psyops is a new wrinkle. But psychological warfare expert Herb Friedman said he is not surprised.
With only one active-duty and two reserve psyops units remaining, Friedman said, “The bottom line is, they don’t have the manpower.”

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 13 2005 9:54 utc | 7

With only one active-duty and two reserve psyops units remaining, Friedman said, “The bottom line is, they don’t have the manpower.”

That’s beginning to sound like a mantra, isn’t it?

Posted by: Colman | Jun 13 2005 10:00 utc | 8

@ Colman
Not only do we get the “manpower mantra”, we are also getting another tool to keep media purveyors “on message”:
if you’re being paid to tell lies in one venue, it’s not
likely one of your other subsidiaries is going to spill the beans. Of course, I don’t know if the “major media players” will also be eating from the outsourcing trough,
but imagining otherwise is ingenuous.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 13 2005 10:07 utc | 9

@ Colman Oops, it looks like Billmon has confirmed my suspicions in his Blowback posting. Naturally he
says it much better than I would have, and with much
more detail.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 13 2005 10:28 utc | 10

Proliferation of guerilla methods from Iraq to Afghanistan (and back)
Suicide bomber kills five US troops in Afghanistan

A suicide bomber drove a car packed with explosives into a U.S. military convoy in southern Afghanistan on Monday, killing at least five American soldiers, police said.

Posted by: b | Jun 13 2005 14:08 utc | 11

b, I saw that headline and asssumed it was in Iraq. Afghanistan has been pacified and democracy has been established there, after all.

Posted by: Colman | Jun 13 2005 14:14 utc | 12

From atrios

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The United States will “have to face” a painful dilemma on restoring the military draft as rising casualties result in persistent shortfalls in US army recruitment, a top US senator warned.
Joseph Biden, the top Democrat of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made the prediction after new data released by the Pentagon showed the US Army failing to meet its recruitment targets for four straight months.
“We’re going to have to face that question,” Biden said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” television show when asked if it was realistic to expect restoration of the draft.
“The truth of the matter is, it is going to become a subject, if, in fact, there’s a 40 percent shortfall in recruitment. It’s just a reality,” he said.

I do wish people like Biden would stop saying things like this without actually offering any constructive alternatives or without properly laying this problem at the feet of the Bush administration. Pretty soon the Democrats will be the party of the draft, thus robbing of us of the opportunity to have exactly 100 Senate seats and 435 House seats.

When will Biden stop shooting the Democratic party in the feet, both feet?

Posted by: citizen | Jun 13 2005 17:50 utc | 13

Raw Story scoops with a whole bunch of British memos á la Downing Street.

Posted by: b | Jun 13 2005 19:51 utc | 14

b
i have a terrible feeling everybody is watching the courthouse for michael jackson’s trial or we are all in deep meditation over recent posts by razor concerning morality plays

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 13 2005 20:27 utc | 15

Okay sen. biden, we’ll face that w/your favorite mantra – “Let the market decide”. If people, given full knowledge of the situation so they can make an informed choice, decide they want to go to Iraq to maraud through your killing fields, they are free to go. If not, well guess the market that you laud as so democratic, has just decided that you don’t get your dirty little war. Awwwww dat’d be soo sad. Just think of all those people whose lives wouldn’t be destroyed.
Beyond that you can’t have it both ways – either you want a NationState or you don’t. If you don’t as you sharks continually protest – no we want “globalism” screw the american people let ’em starve we’re shipping Their Jobs Overseas, and bringing cheap slaves in to drive down wages for the rest – then there is NOTHING for an army to protect.
On the other hand, if you want to talk about a Government whose role it is to provide the Greatest Good for the Greatest Number, get to work arranging that. When you’ve done your work, call us back to discuss a military to protect it.
In the meantime you Traitors are offering the worst of all possible worlds. Destroy Americans at home, but dragoon them to go overseas to slaughter folks to provide obscene profits for the .001% of Americans doing everything they can to wreck our country.
(No wonder the Robber Baron Sr. party that’s blazing the trail is trying to pretend they’re “pro-life”, even if it’s but verbal voodoo camouflaging their virulent hatred of women.)

Posted by: jj | Jun 13 2005 20:51 utc | 16

@RG:
Where were you when the workings of the american jury system was visible for all the world to see?
Apparently 12 white folk in a fairly conservative California county didn’t believe anything the prosecution said.
Bet the Wing Nut knickers will be in a twist tonight.
The poster child for decadence (and more in their minds) walks.

Posted by: Spanky Ham | Jun 13 2005 21:35 utc | 17

@citizen – Biden is on the same Iraq line as Bush is. He doesn´t want to consider to pull the troops out. Esssentially he part of the great imperial project and if that projects needs a bigger army, Biden will provide it.

Posted by: b | Jun 13 2005 21:42 utc | 18

Michael Jackson verdict in, good time for a news dump.

Posted by: biklett | Jun 13 2005 21:55 utc | 19

I believe that the talk of a return to the draft is much overblown.
The senior senator(D-MBNA)does not speak for anyone on this issue, including MBNA, except his self-important, verbose self.
Military don’t want to return to a draft.Bush admin don’t want it, and Momma don’t want it.
Forget about it.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Jun 13 2005 22:07 utc | 20

Military don’t want to return to a draft.Bush admin don’t want it, and Momma don’t want it.
The military wants out of Iraq but will not be asked, but given orders.
Bush admin doesn´t want the draft before the 2006 elections.
Who cares about Momma?

Posted by: b | Jun 13 2005 22:23 utc | 21

I agree that BushCo don’t want to have a draft but a choice between a draft and not getting what they’ve set their hearts on (control of resources) the draft will be the option everytime. It won’t be called a draft they aren’t stupid. It won’t even look/work the same way. Everyone will have to be in ppl won’t stand for a raffle but some the middle class kids and synchophants will get to do aid/disaster relief, even stuff back in domestic US that will get the demopublican support and those that have always been cannon fodder will continue to be cannon fodder. RnR is Sydney in the late 60’s didn’t present a cross section of US youth. For most Sydney which was pretty provincial in ’68 was by far the biggest town they’d been in.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 13 2005 22:25 utc | 22

Be nice B, or Momma won’t give you any apple pie.
Seriously, i think we are close to a public opinion tipping point on Iraq here, and, in any event reinstating the draft would be difficult.
Don’t know between 1946 and 1950,whether there was a draft or not, but it existed from 1950-1971 thereabouts. At beginning of VietNam war it had been running for at least 13 years continuously.
Much easier to stop something from being revived than stopping something that has existed for years.
And fuck Biden and the horse he rode in on.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Jun 13 2005 22:42 utc | 23

Araagh! Go for it anyway Juannie.
Tomorrow there is an important medical marijuana vote in the US congress.
I, a minister’s son have been a confirmed atheist for most of my life. Now I’m at 50% agnostic.
But I believe 100% in the Spirit that imbues all of our fellow species.
The Lord of our Biblical fathers said: “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
“And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: ”
And the lord of our Corporate fathers said: “If the bottom line is adversely affected we will outlaw anything the Lord of your Biblical fathers said, because we are the true source of human fulfillment and righteous oracles. We are the only true religion and just recipients of your supplications and we will interpret any of your Lord’s injunctions at our pleasure.”
“And if you don’t like our justice we will see you subserviate or die.”
And the Lord’s people spoke: “Fuck you lord corp. We are collectively by far superior to you and when we speak in unison and harmony, you will but tremble in supplication to the true Will of Our Lord.”

Posted by: Juannie | Jun 14 2005 0:53 utc | 24

I’d bet they go one of two ways on the draft, depending on what their other objectives are. Probably they’ll call it “National Service” & build in system of financial incentives luring poorer folk into the military. Otherwise, they’ll pull off another incident to make xAmericans feel under attack.
But the former has the advantage of allowing them to slash all non-military items from the budget. So, they’ll eliminate even Head Start, filling the gap as it were by combo. of programs run by patriarchical monotheistic institutions & kids press-ganged via National Service – read 18 yr. old girls. etc.
Anyway, they’re just building the infrastructure for a full-fledged police state, so I don’t expect that to be implemented for a few yrs. til they’ve totally wrecked the economy, shipped out all the jobs, the housing bubble has collapsed… . In the meantime they control what candidates are nominated & elected via the media, financing & rigged computers, so no rush til the desperation of the masses explodes. Then they can stage another incident.
In the meantime, we have real grounds for impeachment, w/even a top bush economist seeing through the smoke of 9/11. That’s our last hope for sustaining a shred of a democracy… and a faint one at that, since most people are programmed like robots to shy away from it.

Posted by: jj | Jun 14 2005 1:11 utc | 25

@Gylangirl, you asked for more discussion of Male Supremacy. Seems a whole new generation is waking up to it to its pervasiveness, and hopefully will be carrying on the struggle. Here’s the best discussion I’ve found. link.
Be sure to go down in the comments to Chris Clarke’s & click through to his site. He has a great retort to Kos’ sexism.

Posted by: jj | Jun 14 2005 1:39 utc | 26

RE: Pro-choice” John Kerry and zealot Rick Santorum are joint sponsors of a Senate bill to legalize pharmacists’ refusal to fill prescriptions for birth control and emergency contraception that “violate their beliefs.” Four states already have such laws; in other states, pharmacies restrict women’s access to these drugs by not stocking them.
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From what I can tell Kerry’s bill is a compromise bill that allows for some pharmacists to refuse to dispense certain drugs as long as another pharmacist on duty in the same store does give the drugs to the patient.

Chain Drug Review
Sens. John Kerry (D., Mass.) and Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) have introduced the Workplace Religious Freedom Act, a proposal that would allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense certain drugs as long as another pharmacist on duty would fill the prescription.

Posted by: Gabby | Jun 14 2005 2:32 utc | 27

@Gabby
you can call it compromise but lets face it this is just more weak willed garbage from the demopublicans. In other jobs people have to just do it why is that pharmacists should be given an out? The pharmacists ‘freedom’ becomes the customer’s manacles. You go into a shop hand over a script and get it filled end of story.
If some pharmacists have that much problem with an aspect of their job perhaps they better find another. Not fair you think? Well it’s not fair that ppl going about their personal business should be compelled to justify their actions to someone whose business it is not. Because that is what will happen. Women will become obliged to try and justify their need for the drugs in order to get the script filled.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 14 2005 2:48 utc | 28

Ain’t Kerry a piece of work now. Must be triangulating himself for 2008.

Posted by: Garden Slug | Jun 14 2005 2:58 utc | 29

good point by william robinson in this interview on the subject of u.s. efforts “to to undermine the Venezuelan revolution, to overthrow the government of Hugo Chávez, and to reinstall the elite back in power in Venezuela”:

If I were a government being targeted by U.S. political intervention—and I have to be very careful with how I word this because I don’t want to be misconstrued—I would probably wield a heavy hand against that intervention, but I would do so while at the same time exposing U.S. intervention for what it is. For instance, I would point out that U.S. electoral laws don’t allow any foreign interference in U.S. elections.
If the Venezuelan government and Venezuelan organizations attempted to do in the United States what the U.S. is doing in Venezuela, anyone accepting money, anyone involved in this program in the United States (US citizens or foreigners) would be arrested and they would be tried and they would be jailed. Funding for electoral organizations by the Venezuelan government inside the U.S. would be completely prohibited, completely illegal, it would be a massive scandal, and there would be an outcry. If governments around the world that are targets of this kind of U.S. intervention simply applied the same criteria that the U.S. state applies inside the U.S. then these operations could be closed down.

Posted by: b real | Jun 14 2005 4:25 utc | 30

If one ever doubted that every single member of Congress is owned by or at the very least neutered by AIPAC and thier ilk then the failure of even a single Congressman to support the investigation of a prima facie case for War Crimes committed by Israels IDF against the USS Liberty 38 years ago is proof. Let alone the virtually deafening silence of US corporate media …
USS Liberty Veteran’s Association Announces War Crime Report Filed Against Israel

WASHINGTON, DC – Friday, June 10 at 1:00 pm, Hotel Washington, 515 15th.St NW, Washington Room 11th floor (hit R for roof in elevator), Moe Shafer, board member of the USS Liberty Veterans Association and Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret., Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy who was involved with the initial Court of Inquiry investigating the attack in 1967 will present details of the “Report of War Crimes” brief filed on behalf of the USS Liberty Veteran’s Association concerning the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.

USS Liberty: 38 Years and Counting

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Middle East – 12 Jun 2005
THIRTY-EIGHT years have passed since Israeli aircraft and motor torpedo boats attacked and nearly sank the American intelligence ship USS Liberty …

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 14 2005 4:53 utc | 31

The Madrassa Myth

We examined the educational backgrounds of 75 terrorists behind some of the most significant recent terrorist attacks against Westerners. We found that a majority of them are college-educated, often in technical subjects like engineering. In the four attacks for which the most complete information about the perpetrators’ educational levels is available – the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the 9/11 attacks, and the Bali bombings in 2002 – 53 percent of the terrorists had either attended college or had received a college degree. As a point of reference, only 52 percent of Americans have been to college. The terrorists in our study thus appear, on average, to be as well educated as many Americans.
The 1993 World Trade Center attack involved 12 men, all of whom had a college education. The 9/11 pilots, as well as the secondary planners identified by the 9/11 commission, all attended Western universities, a prestigious and elite endeavor for anyone from the Middle East. Indeed, the lead 9/11 pilot, Mohamed Atta, had a degree from a German university in, of all things, urban preservation, while the operational planner of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, studied engineering in North Carolina. We also found that two-thirds of the 25 hijackers and planners involved in 9/11 had attended college.
Of the 75 terrorists we investigated, only nine had attended madrassas, and all of those played a role in one attack – the Bali bombing. Even in this instance, however, five college-educated “masterminds” – including two university lecturers – helped to shape the Bali plot.
Like the view that poverty drives terrorism – a notion that countless studies have debunked – the idea that madrassas are incubating the next generation of terrorists offers the soothing illusion that desperate, ignorant automatons are attacking us rather than college graduates, as is often the case. In fact, two of the terrorists in our study had doctorates from Western universities, and two others were working toward their Ph.D.
A World Bank-financed study that was published in April raises further doubts about the influence of madrassas in Pakistan, the country where the schools were thought to be the most influential and the most virulently anti-American. Contrary to the numbers cited in the report of the 9/11 commission, and to a blizzard of newspaper reports that 10 percent of Pakistani students study in madrassas, the study’s authors found that fewer than 1 percent do so. If correct, this estimate would suggest that there are far more American children being home-schooled than Pakistani boys attending madrassas.

Posted by: b | Jun 14 2005 7:42 utc | 32

Monbiot: A truckload of nonsense
The G8 plan to save Africa comes with conditions that make it little more than an extortion racket

Who, apart from the leader writers of the Daily Telegraph, could deny that debt relief is a good thing? Never mind that much of this debt – money lent by the World Bank and IMF to corrupt dictators – should never have been pursued in the first place. Never mind that, in terms of looted resources, stolen labour and now the damage caused by climate change, the rich owe the poor far more than the poor owe the rich. Some of the poorest countries have been paying more for debt than for health or education. Whatever the origins of the problem, that is obscene.
Article continues
You are waiting for me to say but, and I will not disappoint you. The but comes in paragraph 2 of the finance ministers’ statement. To qualify for debt relief, developing countries must “tackle corruption, boost private-sector development” and eliminate “impediments to private investment, both domestic and foreign”.

Posted by: b | Jun 14 2005 8:26 utc | 33

Condoleezza Rice For President!
a blog.
“It would be highly illogical for Hillary Clinton to run against me in 2008, but I will revel in the token challenge” – Condi
It’s gotta be that lois lane hair…lol geez..

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 14 2005 10:36 utc | 34

News and media in 2015 (Flash presentation)- interesting

Posted by: b | Jun 14 2005 11:42 utc | 35

Holy shit b, that’s creepy…

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 14 2005 11:54 utc | 36

Sens. John Kerry (D., Mass.) and Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) have introduced the Workplace Religious Freedom Act, a proposal that would allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense certain drugs as long as another pharmacist on duty would fill the prescription.
Can someone add an amendment allowing Doctors to refuse to treat politicians?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 14 2005 13:03 utc | 37

My Pet Goat (Part 2) (AEI Reader for grades 2 to 4)

Posted by: DM | Jun 14 2005 14:00 utc | 38

Here’s an interesting bit from the AEI Reader :-

Instead, the Bush administration should begin applying the
patience and persistent diplomacy necessary to gain access to
additional basing sites closer to Taiwan—with the Philippines
foremost in value. To be sure, an American military homecoming
would require great delicacy on Washington’s part and some time
to accomplish, but given the operational and strategic value of
the Philippines, it is time to begin laying the groundwork. And
the 2002 campaign to suppress the Abu Sayyaf terrorists on
Basilan Island should have reminded Washington and Manila
alike of the need for strategic cooperation, even aside from the
question of China.

Would have to be very delicate indeed. I’ll keep an eye open for any more suspect terrorist bombs in Manila.

Posted by: DM | Jun 14 2005 14:48 utc | 39

Senate G.O.P. Pressing Democrats for Bolton Vote


Since Friday is often weekend-getaway day for senators, Senators Frist and McCain may be envisioning a vote as soon as Thursday, although they did not say so specifically.
As the senators were speaking at the Capitol, the Republican National Committee issued a statement noting that Mr. Bolton had been endorsed by many former cabinet members and American diplomats, and that former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher of Britain had expressed support for him, declaring that “a capacity for straight talking rather than peddling half-truths is a strength and not a disadvantage in diplomacy.”

And the think that will help???

Posted by: b | Jun 14 2005 19:26 utc | 40

augusto pinochet put his heart behind the bolton nomination – “this s a man who knows democracies & how to destroy them – exactly what we need in the united nations – where illussions grow”

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 14 2005 19:51 utc | 41

You can save yrself the chore of wading thru AEI literary creation by reading this synopsis from Center for Defense Info.: Neo-Con Unfurls the Big Picture

Posted by: jj | Jun 14 2005 20:22 utc | 42

b,
You have no idea how they feel about Maggie.
Remember the Reagan performance? They feel the same way about Mrs T. She is remembered as the woman that told GHWB “Now don’t go all wobbly on me, George”. In other words the first of the women with more balls than the men.

Posted by: John | Jun 14 2005 21:56 utc | 44

Anybody know anything more about this? Looks like Pirates now hiding behind UN. OAS no longer doing bidding of the Pirates & it’s getting a little late in the day for xUS to send troops everywhere. So, if a Pirate controlled govt. is overthrown by a popular mvmt. in L.Am. No problemo, send in the UN, w/decisions made by Commission controlled by the Pirates…at least that’s what this sounds like.
From Rep. Ron Paul, libertarian from Tx:
The “United Nations Reform Act of 2005” masquerades as a bill that will cut US dues to the United Nations by 50% if that organization does not complete a list of 39 reforms. On the surface any measure that threatens to cut funding to the United Nations seems very attractive, but do not be fooled: in this case reform “success” will be worse than failure. The problem is in the supposed reforms themselves– specifically in the policy changes this bill mandates.
The proposed legislation opens the door for the United Nations to routinely become involved in matters that have never been part of its charter. Specifically, the legislation redefines terrorism very broadly for the UN’s official purposes– and charges it to take action on behalf of both governments and international organizations.
What does this mean? The official adoption of this definition by the United Nations would have the effect of making resistance to any government or any international organization an international crime. It would make any attempt to overthrow a government an international causus belli for UN military action. Until this point a sovereign government retained the legal right to defend against or defeat any rebellion within its own territory. Now any such activity would constitute justification for United Nations action inside that country. This could be whenever any splinter group decides to resist any regime– regardless of the nature of that regime.

This new policy is given teeth by creating a “Peacebuilding Commission,” which will serve as the implementing force for the internationalization of what were formerly internal affairs of sovereign nations. This Commission will bring together UN Security Council members, major donors, major troop contributing countries, appropriate United Nations organizations, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund among others. This new commission will create the beginning of a global UN army.

link

Posted by: jj | Jun 15 2005 3:19 utc | 45

@ Jerome
I note that the NYTimes has a

Chernobyl tourism article
which, in passing,
confirms that the Kidd of Speed site was indeed a hoax, as you mentioned in response
to my posting in an earlier thread. I still don’t know (and would be interested in learning about) the details of the hoax, but the Times’ treatment of the region
seems to confirm the substance, if not the more “romantic” road-warrior cum Easy-Rider aspects, of the kiddofspeed.com site. By now, however, I have very much
come to subscribe to an old tradition of British journalistic cynicism according to which one should never believe anything until the Foreign Office (or in this case the Times) has officially denied it.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 8:21 utc | 46

Britain “is not worth an old shoe”
– Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf
(nor the BBC)

Saddam Interrogation Screened – in Silence. The Question Is: Why?
By Robert Fisk
The Independent UK
Tuesday 14 June 2005
There he was, just as his victims looked on his own television screens, his words censored, his arguments unknown, his case as undemocratic as the “judicial” courts in which Saddam destroyed his own enemies.
The Iraqis – or, let us speak frankly, the Americans who tried to censor the old reprobate’s previous court appearance – decided yesterday that his words would also be censored. That is Saddamism. This is how Saddam ran Iraq.
The words were obliterated. And now the Americans and their obedient, Shia-led government, are acting out the same Saddamite line.
The pictures, the BBC admitted, were “mute”. What in God’s name did this mean? Who emasculated the BBC to such a degree that it should say such a ridiculous thing? Why were they mute? The BBC didn’t tell us.
If Saddam was really being charged with war crimes over the killings of Shias – which I hope he was – then why, in heaven’s name, didn’t we hear what he had to say? Why use the methods of Saddam himself? The silent film, the assumption of guilt? Or was Saddam telling the court that the United States was behind his regime, that Washington had given him the means to destroy the Halabja Kurds with gas?
How can we know? And when so many of our journalistic brethren failed to challenge the reason why this tape should be “mute”, what does this say of us? We are told, by Saddam’s jailers of course, that he is being questioned about the murder of Shia villagers south of Baghdad in 1982. I hope so. But how do we know?
The reality is that Saddam is from Iraq’s past, something from the era before “our” insecurity and destruction and the rape and insurgency and death which has now overwhelmed Iraq.
Yes, there are those who would like to see Saddam brought to justice. But they want safety and law and order and freedom – freedom from us, too – before they care about this crazed old man’s trial. But we insist the Iraqis have bread and circuses before they have freedom. And they must experience our democracy by understanding that the defendant in a court must be shut up and denied his own words in order to appear on the BBC.

Posted by: DM | Jun 15 2005 8:29 utc | 47

Revolving doors: Ex-Bush Aide Plans to Join Exxon Mobil

A former White House official and onetime oil industry lobbyist whose editing of government reports on climate change prompted criticism from environmentalists will join Exxon Mobil Corp., the oil company said yesterday.
The White House announced over the weekend that Philip A. Cooney, chief of staff of its Council on Environmental Quality, had resigned. He previously had been head of the climate program at the American Petroleum Institute, the trade group for large oil companies.
Cooney will join Exxon Mobil in the fall, company spokesman Russ Roberts said in a telephone interview.

Last week, the Government Accountability Project, a nonprofit group that helps whistleblowers, made available documents showing Cooney was closely involved in the final editing of two administration climate reports. He made changes that critics said played down the certainty of the science surrounding climate change.

Posted by: b | Jun 15 2005 8:31 utc | 48

Seems the Robber Barons are well and alive! No make it very well and very fat! From the Hill:
Tax cuts aid senators

Several senators — millionaires, many of them — have reported earning substantial dividend income in 2004, benefiting greatly from President Bush’s tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, according to financial disclosure reports made available yesterday.
Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) reported earning $1 million to $5 million in income from the W.H. Frist 2000 Qualified Blind Trust, which has a capital value of between $5 million and $25 million. Another of Frist’s trusts, the William H. Frist GST Exempt 2000 Qualified Blind Trust, was valued between $1 million to $5 million.
Frist, well-known as a former heart-transplant surgeon, reported holdings of less than $15,000 in Lifepoint Hospitals Inc. and Triad Hospitals Inc. The majority leader also reported buying less than $15,000 of stock in Krispy Kreme, the Southern doughnut chain. The stock yielded a small amount of dividend income. The figures were obtained from disclosure reports put up on the website of PoliticalMoneyLine.

Interesting that he has stock in Hospitals and junk food. Sorry, no offence ment, but to me doughnuts are junk food, even if they taste nice. So he makes many from people eating bad stuff for their health and then cashing in from treating the effect off their bad eating habits.

Posted by: Fran | Jun 15 2005 8:32 utc | 49

many = money, well it fits he makes many money. 🙂

Posted by: Fran | Jun 15 2005 8:34 utc | 50

DM,
“The pictures, the BBC admitted, were “mute”. What in God’s name did this mean? Who emasculated the BBC to such a degree that it should say such a ridiculous thing? Why were they mute? The BBC didn’t tell us.”
As Bob well knows, the BBC Director General announced a massive “redundancy” programme a few months before the General Election. There is a big fight on by the union to the effect that any such severances be voluntary. They’ve been on strike over this already, with more such action threatened.

Posted by: John | Jun 15 2005 10:26 utc | 51

Are there no depths to which these people won’t sink? This is a Reuters story telling us that some Republicans in the Senate are complaining that you can’t buy a decent Red Cross these days. In the past these sort of whines only came from petty despots determined to sacrifice their citizens to hang on to power. Hmm so nothings changed…
“The report was written by Dan Fata, who directs national security studies for the Republican policy committee, a group chaired by influential Senator John Kyl that researches issues for the Senate majority.”
snip
“In some cases, ICRC actions and statements “have run contrary to the interests of the American taxpayer, the ICRC’s single largest donor,” he said.
Specifically, Fata faults the organisation for reinterpreting international law “so as to afford terrorists and insurgents the same rights and privileges” as the military personnel of countries like the US who have signed the Geneva Conventions. ”
We’ve basically heard a lot of this before but now it’s stick time so the ICRC is told to shut up or look elsewhere for money. Now I found problems with that attitude to the UN but the Red Cross who pride themselves on not taking sides but just delivering humanitarian aid don’t deserve this.
The people of the world will all suffer if it has any effect. I seem to remember that at Gitmo many on the left were annoyed that the Red Cross didn’t take a firmer stand.
Can anyone remember the Nazi attitude to the red cross? I can’t although I doubt they were allowed in the concentration camps.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 15 2005 11:54 utc | 52

Document printed from the website of the ICRC.

International Committee of the Red Cross
5-11-2002 by François Bugnion
Dialogue with the past: the ICRC and the Nazi death camps
François Bugnion, the ICRC’s Director for International Law and Cooperation within the Movement, reflects* on the organization’s failure to react vigorously to the persecution of Jews by the Third Reich

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 12:27 utc | 53

Today or yesterday:
World Tribune:
U.S. freezes military ties, shipments to Israel
Link
Israel National News:
Arutz Sheva – Bush policies eroding US – Israel ties.
Link

Posted by: Noisette | Jun 15 2005 13:10 utc | 54

This is the link to the International Red Cross supplied above (with a minor syntax error) by Outraged .

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 13:19 utc | 55

@ Outraged
Your links to the U.S.S. Liberty sites ought to be enough to make every American share your outrage, but
apparently it doesn’t. One has to wonder what the hell
type of blackmail has been used to keep the lid on this
continuing treason by our political class. The U.S.S. Liberty guys are anything but lefty intellectual conspiracy theorists, but they have first hand experience of just how utterly corrupt the duoply regime really is. This open and bi-partisan treason has been going on for almost 40 years.
Despite all the spinmeistering and lies manufactured by
the “conspirators” (and, of course, that’s what they are)
anyone who visits the sites and reads just a bit of the
documenatation will come away convinced that the sailors
of the U.S.S. Liberty have been betrayed by their nations
highest authorities. Yes, this is an outrage!

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 13:31 utc | 56

@Hannah K. O’Luthon
A search on Google News re ‘USS Liberty’ and one will be amazed at the deafening silence … various surviving crewmen have been forced to post articles on obscure journals and even foriegn news services in order to get any sort of coverage … the USA media dutifully reported various summary articles re the War Crimes press release and then dropped the story entirely … no analysis, no followup, zip, nada, zilch …
The real issue here though is that there is no element of the political system, not even a single politician of any persuasion, that will comment let alone support the investigation … sheez, we went to war with Vietnam re the ‘Gulf of Tonkin incident’ that never actually happened yet with the USS Liberty we just look the other way.
I’m not into conspiracy theories of ‘scale’, however, the only conclusion one can draw from these events and the treatment of the story is that the Likudniks (i.e. AIPAC and thier ilk) own, or are in a position to destroy every single serving politician.
What the FU– is going on here !

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 13:55 utc | 57

@ Outraged
I am long since “out of the conspiracy theorist closet”, partly because conspiracy theory sites tend
to be more fun to visit, and I need comic relief. But the Liberty case is almost in a class by itself: I find it hard to believe that there isn’t something deep, dark, and unspeakable that allows the media branch of the Likud lobby to keep the lid on.
The Internet must be the best thing that ever happened to
the Liberty crew, but one can almost see their cynical adversaries waiting for mortality to take its toll and moot. What drives me daffy is the silence of the pols:
I guess the object lessons of Findlay, McCloskey, Adlai
Stevenson III, and lately Cynthia McKinney are not lost
on our courageous “public servants”. It really drives
me to distraction!!
the whole question.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 14:11 utc | 58

That should have been
“and moot the whole question”.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 14:13 utc | 59

Outraged,
they don’t have to own the politicians, just their access to the people. and as everybody knows, if it aint on TV it didn’t happen.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 15 2005 14:13 utc | 60

” … the object lessons of Findlay, McCloskey, Adlai Stevenson III, and lately Cynthia McKinney are not lost on our courageous “public servants”.
Precisely. Object lessons.
But what we’re talikng about here is a determined, pre-meditated attempt to sink the ship aad eliminate the crew by an ‘ally’ whilst in international waters … right down to machinegunning wounded in lifeboats.
If you’ve read the PDF from the press realease link the most chilling aspect is the sudden abort by the IDF choppers containing assault troops just after the ROE’s were sent in clear from the carrier group to the (about to be aborted) Strike and S&R airctaft …
One can only speculate that if the ROE’s had’nt been sent in clear and therefore intercepted by the IDF that the Liberties crew would have been boarded and slaughtered to the last man in Close Quarter Combat by the heliborne assault teams … yes, choppers that according to the IDF’s disinfo lads were there to rescue/assist, although without any room onboard to do so (assist/rescue) because they were full of assault troops !!!

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 14:28 utc | 61

@ Outraged
Thanks for the heads up with regard to the helicopter
borne assault teams, a point which I had missed.
I admire your ability
to resist conspiracy theories “of scale”, but when one
looks at this and the almost equally well attested Lavon
incident, considers who is presently in charge in Jerusalem, and “scales up” the Israeli reward vs. risk calculation (which you, prudently, are reluctant to do), factors in a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence, and sums up the results, it’s difficult (for me) not to suspect that there was criminal Israeli involvement in the 9/11 attacks (quite possible acting
as agents for equally criminal Americans). Of course,
I know that I don’t know this, but rather merely entertain what seem to me to be reasonably well-founded suspicions. The Liberty case is maddening because it shows that even if such suspicions should turn out to be
true, it may well take 50 or more years before the fact
sinks in to public consciousness.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 14:52 utc | 62

For a complete copy of the War Crimes brief re USS Liberty go to here for a PDF version of the Report, or here for an HTML version of the Report.
Its succint, clear and concise.

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 14:56 utc | 63

Thanks again to Outraged.
The final lines of the War Crimes Report on the Liberty
Incident, quoting James Innes of the U.S. S. Liberty

“Yet despite these things a few Americans seem to accept the preposterous claim that the attack was a mistake and that firing stopped with the torpedo explosion. One can accept and understand this attitude from an Israeli, as he would have a natural tendency to believe his country’s version of events and to disbelieve contrary versions — especially since he has no personal experience to draw upon. But how can an American disbelieve the virtually identical eyewitness reports of scores of surviving fellow Americans and accept instead the undocumented claims of the foreign power that tried to kill them? That is very difficult to understand or to accept.
The typical Israeli reaction is that we are liars or antiSemites, which of course we are not. We are American sailors honestly reporting an act of treachery at sea. At the very least we deserve your courtesy and understanding”

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 15:06 utc | 64

The israelis are masters of ‘false-flag’ Ops and especially skilled at using them to have desirable foreign proxies unwittingly conduct Ops aginst third parties/nations. However, without direct particiapant accounts or declassified/leaked documents such activities are lost in the ‘fog’.
One of the other issues is that with ultra-sensitive Ops, such as possible involvement, by whatever nature or degree, in the events of 9/11 for example, results in multiple layers of pre-planned cover-stories and carefully co-ordinated mis and dis-information campaigns that run for literally decades.
The masterful multi-decade, multi-level campaign by the US Airforce in conjunction with the CIA starting in the fifties re UFO’s to conceal ‘Black’ strategic R&D programs (U-2, SR-71, F-117, etc) is just one example.

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 15:08 utc | 65

Debs, Outraged, others:
Petition from the Simon Wiesenthal Center:
(undated, online on June 14, 2005)
No More Second Class Status For Israel With The Red Cross – Sign the Petition
Mr. Samuel Schmid
President of Switzerland:
Israel’s Magen David Adom (MDA) is internationally recognized for its critical, life-saving, humanitarian work around the globe, and is immediately available to be on the frontlines with aid and expert assistance at major global disasters.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), for over five decades, has steadfastly refused to correct the shameful history of discrimination and exclusion – and grant Israel’s Magen David Adom (MDA) and its Star of David emblem full and equal status in the family of nations.
I therefore join with the Simon Wiesenthal Center to petition you to lead Switzerland in exercising its political and moral obligation by immediately convening a diplomatic conference of world governments to amend the 1949 Geneva Conventions and finally put an end to a shameful injustice, that has become emblematic of a broader double standard against the Jewish State in international forums.
Link

Posted by: Noisette | Jun 15 2005 15:11 utc | 66

Asia Times – a long and good article:
The coming trade war and global depression

Structurally, the real cause of the Great Depression, which lasted more than a decade, from 1929 until the US entry to World War II in 1941, was the 1930 Smoot-Hawley tariffs that put world trade into a tailspin from which it did not recover until the war began. While the US economy finally recovered through war mobilization after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941, most of the world’s market economies sank deeper into war-torn distress and did not fully recover until the Korean War boom in 1951.
Barely five years into the 21st century, with a globalized neo-liberal trade regime firmly in place in a world where market economy has become the norm, trade protectionism appears to be fast re-emerging and developing into a new global trade war of complex dimensions.

Posted by: b | Jun 15 2005 15:32 utc | 67

Required Reading/Listening for today is DemocracyNow.org. Amy has on John Conyers, Sam Ervin redux, and Ray McGovern. The Drumbeat is On…Impeachment is on the March…Their theme is “saving” the Constitution – they’re being goaded & shamed into action by having the fact that Cheney-bu$h used the the Constitution as toilet paper rubbed in their faces by the Downing St. Memos.
Conyers said he’s privately gotten a thumbs up from some repugs. Tomorow Hearings @2:30, March @5:00. Watch CSPAN/Listen to Pacifica – unfortunately their best correspondent is seriously ill. Beyond Amy Goodman, they’re a shell of their former self, so don’t expect much. But it’ll buy them much needed politcal protection when McCain (& Rice?) takes over. He’s a far-right loathsome reactionary, who led attack on Moyers, but if Pacifica helps him into power, he may be forced to rethink intelligence of having fascists take over npr.
For impeachment to proceed the actions at the top have to be greeted by a groundswell. That’s building, led by the parents of dead soldiers, w/a prominent Constitutional lawyer organizing the civilian contingent. Conyers said they have 500k signatures. (Perhaps Morgan Reynolds’ article will lead to organizations of 911 victims joining as well.) Afterdowningstreet.org is blossoming.
In the interim, we can hope that newfound concern with the Constitution will table moves to continue & expand the unpatriot act. And forestall more nefarious acts by the Terrorists-in-Charge.
(In case it’s not self-evident, the “Big I” they’re discussing isn’t just the Chimperor, but Cheney & Rumbo as well.)

Posted by: jj | Jun 15 2005 17:30 utc | 68

wow. the AT article was a mind-melt:

The law of one price says that identical goods should sell for the same price in two separate markets when there are no transportation costs and no differential taxes applied in the two markets. But the law of one price does not apply to the price of labor. Price arbitrage is the opposite of wage arbitrage in that producers seek to make their goods in the lowest wage locations and to sell their goods in the highest price markets. This is the incentive for outsourcing, which never seeks to sell products locally at prices that reflect PPP differentials. What is not generally noticed is that price deflation in an economy increases its PPP, in that the same local currency buys more. But the cross-border one-price phenomenon applies only to certain products, such as oil, thus for a PPP of four times, a rise in oil prices will cost the Chinese economy four times the equivalent in other goods, or wages, than in the US. The larger the purchasing power parity between a local currency and the dollar, the more severe is the tyranny of dollar hegemony on forcing down wage differentials.

The “saving’s glut” or the problem of “overaccumulation” is partly addressed by trade/currency policy. Am I right the demand of US that China float yuan will increase PPP in China, thus forcing China central banks to retain dollar dominated assets–thus keeping US investment bubbles inflated, subsidizing US domestic consumption? The article also, after some annoying detours into Roman law, notes how interest rate hikes in US actually delay inflation because creditors are less likely to dump US treasuries. And, by all means, make sure policies widen wage differentials between US and other workers. When will the turmoil end?
what a tangled web…
chicken & egg…good luck untying all these contradictions.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 15 2005 17:32 utc | 69

wayne madsen on bolton & the nsa intercepts: NSA insiders report that [outgoing director general] Hayden approved special intercept operations on behalf of Bolton and had them masked as “training missions” in order to get around internal NSA regulations that normally prohibit such eavesdropping on U.S. citizens.
“Intelligence community insiders claim that a number of State Department and other government officials may have been subject to NSA ‘training’ surveillance and that transcripts between them and foreign officials likely ended up in the possession of Bolton and his neo-conservative political allies, including such members of Vice President Dick Cheney’s staff as David Wurmser (a former assistant to Bolton at State), John Hannah, and Lewis “Scooter” Libby.”

Posted by: b real | Jun 15 2005 18:10 utc | 70

The Movement is building. Rallies being organized quickly around the country for tomorrow after the Conyers hearings. For more info

Posted by: jj | Jun 15 2005 18:26 utc | 71

To my friends on the left and right:
Your energy and your campaigns are an utter disgrace and have done nothing to forward your fight. Furthermore fighting has done nothing to forward any cause in human history.
While you have been fighting for you ideals, basic ideals that most people hold regardless of political affiliation, these ideals have been slowly dying as the byproduct of constant warfare. The never ending hate, anger, and utter disrespect from both sides have amounted to nothing but disgrace to this country and all of humanity.
We hear often that we are extremely polarized society driven into two categories the left and the right. The left and blames the right and the right blames the left. I’m telling you that everyone is to blame, myself included. But I am here right now to make a pledge, a pledge to the future of all humanity that I will not destroy society by fighting over my self-righteous ideology. I pledge to work with everyone by not judging them, but respecting them and proceding with them to better our lives as one.
I hereby fully condemn the civil war that is going on in this country today and ask you do the same.
I have no hope that these comments will do any good in changing the nature of human beings, for I understand the human condition all to well. I feel this needed to be said so here it is. I hope you have gained something by reading it and maybe some of the hate, anger, and disrespect that your organizations breed will end.
With Utmost Respect and Sincerity, E

Posted by: elliott | Jun 16 2005 8:03 utc | 72

Oops, that was me who failed to close the link.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 16 2005 8:26 utc | 74

You’re welcome. Each of us in these virtual communities contribute our small portions to add to the value of the whole …
My skills as a wordsmith are limited, especially of late … largely restrict my contributions to quotations and researching/providing reference source and background material for certain topics … as some may recall my former life was career Military and civilian Intelligence … these days one finds oneself holding diametrically opposed views to those held back then … despising labels, however, I’m humanist-socialist I suppose, holding out a forlorn hope for a societal return to sincerely held core values such as honesty, morality and principle. Not to mention the breakup of corporate power and media domination …

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 16 2005 8:43 utc | 75

D’Oh ! That sounds pompous … a round of drinks for everyone on me bartender and who’s snaffled the bar snacks ? 😉

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 16 2005 8:47 utc | 76

It’s not much, but every journey begins with but a single step …
Lawmakers Want to Pull Troops Out of Iraq

By LIZ SIDOTI
The Associated Press
Thursday, June 16, 2005; 3:56 AM
WASHINGTON — A small bipartisan group in the House, including a Republican who voted for war, is urging President Bush to start bringing home U.S. troops from Iraq by Oct. 1, 2006.
Two Republicans and two Democrats in the House were introducing a resolution Thursday calling for withdrawal. It is the first such resolution put forth by lawmakers from both parties, although an overwhelming number of Democrats and six House Republicans voted in 2002 against sending troops to Iraq …

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 16 2005 9:05 utc | 77

It’s striking (and encouraging) how many “career military”
and “civilian intelligence” types are on the same side
of the barricade with the “scruffy” leftists: Karen Kiatowski, Tony Zinni, Mike Scheuer, Stan Goff come to mind
immediately but there are MANY others. On the other hand,
it’s depressing that

holding out a forlorn hope for a societal return to sincerely held core values such as honesty, morality and principle. Not to mention the breakup of corporate power and media domination …

has to be decked with self-irony to be acceptable. (Of
course, I share the desire to avoid pomposity, but see no
reason why these should be “unmentionable values”.
Forging an effective and enduring Constitutional Alliance will be no easy task: libertarian Marxists and (Milton) Friedmanite minarchists may share some important
values, but the two cultures are mired in decades of hostility. For example, Paul Craig Robert’s recent
polemic on Bush and Pinochet , and perhaps even more so his response to a critical letter shows how difficult it is to
avoid falling into the kind of internecine polemics
that have traditionally crippled the left. Roberts is the kind of conservative with whom I would like to
build a coaltion to oust the Carmel-Dry bloc. When the Roosevelt coalition was at its zenith Hubert Humphrey
and Theodore Bilbo cohabited in the same party. It wasn’t pretty, probably not even desirable, but it did provide an alternative to that economically pseudo-conservative vision of the world to which the neo-cons are lineal heirs.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 16 2005 9:20 utc | 78

Fewer Applying To US Military Academies …

Long Grey Line Gets Shorter


June 13, 2005 By Brian MacQuarrie, Boston Globe Staff
WEST POINT, N.Y. — The Long Gray Line of cadets still drills on the impeccably groomed parade field as it has throughout the 203-year history of the US Military Academy. Reminders of the calling and challenge of military service are everywhere, from the statues of Generals Douglas MacArthur and Dwight Eisenhower to the meticulously maintained monuments to West Point’s war dead.
But across the nation this year, the number of high school seniors hearing the call to service is down; applications to join the Long Gray Line dropped 9 percent. And that was the least-discouraging news for the nation’s top three service academies, where room, board, and tuition for four years of a sterling education are free.
Applications for the US Naval Academy plummeted 20 percent, and the number for the US Air Force Academy fell 23 percent, military officials said.
”All together, these factors amount to a kind of referendum on one aspect of George Bush’s policy, and that’s the Iraq war,” said Michael T. Corgan, a Boston University professor of international relations who graduated from and taught at the US Naval Academy and served in the Vietnam War.
”Parents, in particular, are simply not encouraging their children to go into the military because, for many, this means an immediate posting to Iraq or at least to forces in that region,” Corgan said.
The decrease occurred as many colleges and universities experienced a record number of applications.
About 80 percent of the West Point class of 2005 could serve in Iraq and Afghanistan within two years.
Frank Sullivan, guidance director for Hamilton-Wenham Regional High School, said student interest was almost nonexistent this year. Academy recruiters visited the school once or twice this year, Sullivan said, but the presentations didn’t yield any applications from the class.

Posted by: Outraged | Jun 16 2005 9:38 utc | 79

@elliot- I am here right now to make a pledge, a pledge to the future of all humanity that I will not destroy society by fighting over my self-righteous ideology. I pledge to work with everyone by not judging them, but respecting them and proceding with them to better our lives as one.
if you’ve got an effective strategy for neutralizing mass murderers, dominionists, fascists and other oppressive (and armed) minority interest groups, please enlighten me or any other of those of us who, while not boxing ourselves into any reified label/category, understand that fighting back has indeed had everything to do w/ forwarding the cause of human & civil rights. anything less is acquiesence. look, i’m not a violent or insensitive person – i even have issues w/ cutting the grass – but there are values worth fighting for & unfortunately we aren’t always in the position of setting the terms of engagement. this will become more obvious as the pot reaches the boiling point.

Posted by: b real | Jun 16 2005 15:06 utc | 80