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June 13, 2005
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WTC collapse story bogus says Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for Bush’s Labor Department.
There’s more, and it’s well worth a read. Posted by: citizen | Jun 13 2005 7:13 utc | 1 Of course, faith-based science would suggest that God’s own president couldn’t possibly be associated with such a scandal – unless you actually read the Bible and its record of scandals by even divinely chosen leaders. Posted by: citizen | Jun 13 2005 7:20 utc | 2 Yeah and while we’re on the subject what about that royal family eh! Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 13 2005 7:34 utc | 3 Citizen, glad you posted that here – I posted it last night on the last open thread, but that was clearly dying… Posted by: jj | Jun 13 2005 8:37 utc | 4 Why DID we invade Iraq? Posted by: Antifa | Jun 13 2005 9:09 utc | 5 Antifa, I sense another front-page promotion coming on. I’m afraid that many Americans do want to rule the world, at least to the extent that the world should quietly do whatever they decide is in the best interests of the US. They don’t actually care enough to really want to rule, just control. Psychological Warfare Effort To Be Outsourced Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 13 2005 9:54 utc | 7
That’s beginning to sound like a mantra, isn’t it? @ Colman Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 13 2005 10:07 utc | 9 @ Colman Oops, it looks like Billmon has confirmed my suspicions in his Blowback posting. Naturally he Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 13 2005 10:28 utc | 10 Proliferation of guerilla methods from Iraq to Afghanistan (and back)
b, I saw that headline and asssumed it was in Iraq. Afghanistan has been pacified and democracy has been established there, after all. From atrios
When will Biden stop shooting the Democratic party in the feet, both feet? Posted by: citizen | Jun 13 2005 17:50 utc | 13 Raw Story scoops with a whole bunch of British memos á la Downing Street. b Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 13 2005 20:27 utc | 15 Okay sen. biden, we’ll face that w/your favorite mantra – “Let the market decide”. If people, given full knowledge of the situation so they can make an informed choice, decide they want to go to Iraq to maraud through your killing fields, they are free to go. If not, well guess the market that you laud as so democratic, has just decided that you don’t get your dirty little war. Awwwww dat’d be soo sad. Just think of all those people whose lives wouldn’t be destroyed. Posted by: jj | Jun 13 2005 20:51 utc | 16 @RG: Posted by: Spanky Ham | Jun 13 2005 21:35 utc | 17 @citizen – Biden is on the same Iraq line as Bush is. He doesn´t want to consider to pull the troops out. Esssentially he part of the great imperial project and if that projects needs a bigger army, Biden will provide it. Michael Jackson verdict in, good time for a news dump. Posted by: biklett | Jun 13 2005 21:55 utc | 19 I believe that the talk of a return to the draft is much overblown. Posted by: FlashHarry | Jun 13 2005 22:07 utc | 20 Military don’t want to return to a draft.Bush admin don’t want it, and Momma don’t want it. I agree that BushCo don’t want to have a draft but a choice between a draft and not getting what they’ve set their hearts on (control of resources) the draft will be the option everytime. It won’t be called a draft they aren’t stupid. It won’t even look/work the same way. Everyone will have to be in ppl won’t stand for a raffle but some the middle class kids and synchophants will get to do aid/disaster relief, even stuff back in domestic US that will get the demopublican support and those that have always been cannon fodder will continue to be cannon fodder. RnR is Sydney in the late 60’s didn’t present a cross section of US youth. For most Sydney which was pretty provincial in ’68 was by far the biggest town they’d been in. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 13 2005 22:25 utc | 22 Be nice B, or Momma won’t give you any apple pie. Posted by: FlashHarry | Jun 13 2005 22:42 utc | 23 Araagh! Go for it anyway Juannie. Posted by: Juannie | Jun 14 2005 0:53 utc | 24 I’d bet they go one of two ways on the draft, depending on what their other objectives are. Probably they’ll call it “National Service” & build in system of financial incentives luring poorer folk into the military. Otherwise, they’ll pull off another incident to make xAmericans feel under attack. Posted by: jj | Jun 14 2005 1:11 utc | 25 @Gylangirl, you asked for more discussion of Male Supremacy. Seems a whole new generation is waking up to it to its pervasiveness, and hopefully will be carrying on the struggle. Here’s the best discussion I’ve found. link. Posted by: jj | Jun 14 2005 1:39 utc | 26 RE: Pro-choice” John Kerry and zealot Rick Santorum are joint sponsors of a Senate bill to legalize pharmacists’ refusal to fill prescriptions for birth control and emergency contraception that “violate their beliefs.” Four states already have such laws; in other states, pharmacies restrict women’s access to these drugs by not stocking them.
Posted by: Gabby | Jun 14 2005 2:32 utc | 27 @Gabby Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 14 2005 2:48 utc | 28 Ain’t Kerry a piece of work now. Must be triangulating himself for 2008. Posted by: Garden Slug | Jun 14 2005 2:58 utc | 29 good point by william robinson in this interview on the subject of u.s. efforts “to to undermine the Venezuelan revolution, to overthrow the government of Hugo Chávez, and to reinstall the elite back in power in Venezuela”:
Posted by: b real | Jun 14 2005 4:25 utc | 30 If one ever doubted that every single member of Congress is owned by or at the very least neutered by AIPAC and thier ilk then the failure of even a single Congressman to support the investigation of a prima facie case for War Crimes committed by Israels IDF against the USS Liberty 38 years ago is proof. Let alone the virtually deafening silence of US corporate media …
USS Liberty: 38 Years and Counting
Posted by: Outraged | Jun 14 2005 4:53 utc | 31
Monbiot: A truckload of nonsense
Condoleezza Rice For President! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jun 14 2005 10:36 utc | 34 Sens. John Kerry (D., Mass.) and Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) have introduced the Workplace Religious Freedom Act, a proposal that would allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense certain drugs as long as another pharmacist on duty would fill the prescription. Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 14 2005 13:03 utc | 37 Here’s an interesting bit from the AEI Reader :-
Would have to be very delicate indeed. I’ll keep an eye open for any more suspect terrorist bombs in Manila. Posted by: DM | Jun 14 2005 14:48 utc | 39 Senate G.O.P. Pressing Democrats for Bolton Vote
And the think that will help??? augusto pinochet put his heart behind the bolton nomination – “this s a man who knows democracies & how to destroy them – exactly what we need in the united nations – where illussions grow” Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jun 14 2005 19:51 utc | 41 You can save yrself the chore of wading thru AEI literary creation by reading this synopsis from Center for Defense Info.: Neo-Con Unfurls the Big Picture Posted by: jj | Jun 14 2005 20:22 utc | 42 FAMILY VALUES! 🙂 Posted by: Fran | Jun 14 2005 20:59 utc | 43 b, Posted by: John | Jun 14 2005 21:56 utc | 44 Anybody know anything more about this? Looks like Pirates now hiding behind UN. OAS no longer doing bidding of the Pirates & it’s getting a little late in the day for xUS to send troops everywhere. So, if a Pirate controlled govt. is overthrown by a popular mvmt. in L.Am. No problemo, send in the UN, w/decisions made by Commission controlled by the Pirates…at least that’s what this sounds like. Posted by: jj | Jun 15 2005 3:19 utc | 45 @ Jerome Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 8:21 utc | 46 Britain “is not worth an old shoe”
Posted by: DM | Jun 15 2005 8:29 utc | 47 Revolving doors: Ex-Bush Aide Plans to Join Exxon Mobil
Seems the Robber Barons are well and alive! No make it very well and very fat! From the Hill:
Interesting that he has stock in Hospitals and junk food. Sorry, no offence ment, but to me doughnuts are junk food, even if they taste nice. So he makes many from people eating bad stuff for their health and then cashing in from treating the effect off their bad eating habits. Posted by: Fran | Jun 15 2005 8:32 utc | 49 DM, Posted by: John | Jun 15 2005 10:26 utc | 51 Are there no depths to which these people won’t sink? This is a Reuters story telling us that some Republicans in the Senate are complaining that you can’t buy a decent Red Cross these days. In the past these sort of whines only came from petty despots determined to sacrifice their citizens to hang on to power. Hmm so nothings changed… Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 15 2005 11:54 utc | 52 Document printed from the website of the ICRC.
Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 12:27 utc | 53 Today or yesterday: Posted by: Noisette | Jun 15 2005 13:10 utc | 54 This is the link to the International Red Cross supplied above (with a minor syntax error) by Outraged . Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 13:19 utc | 55 @ Outraged Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 13:31 utc | 56 @Hannah K. O’Luthon Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 13:55 utc | 57 @ Outraged Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 14:11 utc | 58 That should have been Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 14:13 utc | 59 Outraged, Posted by: dan of steele | Jun 15 2005 14:13 utc | 60 ” … the object lessons of Findlay, McCloskey, Adlai Stevenson III, and lately Cynthia McKinney are not lost on our courageous “public servants”. Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 14:28 utc | 61 @ Outraged Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 14:52 utc | 62 For a complete copy of the War Crimes brief re USS Liberty go to here for a PDF version of the Report, or here for an HTML version of the Report. Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 14:56 utc | 63 Thanks again to Outraged.
Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 15 2005 15:06 utc | 64 The israelis are masters of ‘false-flag’ Ops and especially skilled at using them to have desirable foreign proxies unwittingly conduct Ops aginst third parties/nations. However, without direct particiapant accounts or declassified/leaked documents such activities are lost in the ‘fog’. Posted by: Outraged | Jun 15 2005 15:08 utc | 65 Debs, Outraged, others: Posted by: Noisette | Jun 15 2005 15:11 utc | 66 Asia Times – a long and good article:
Required Reading/Listening for today is DemocracyNow.org. Amy has on John Conyers, Sam Ervin redux, and Ray McGovern. The Drumbeat is On…Impeachment is on the March…Their theme is “saving” the Constitution – they’re being goaded & shamed into action by having the fact that Cheney-bu$h used the the Constitution as toilet paper rubbed in their faces by the Downing St. Memos. Posted by: jj | Jun 15 2005 17:30 utc | 68 wow. the AT article was a mind-melt:
The “saving’s glut” or the problem of “overaccumulation” is partly addressed by trade/currency policy. Am I right the demand of US that China float yuan will increase PPP in China, thus forcing China central banks to retain dollar dominated assets–thus keeping US investment bubbles inflated, subsidizing US domestic consumption? The article also, after some annoying detours into Roman law, notes how interest rate hikes in US actually delay inflation because creditors are less likely to dump US treasuries. And, by all means, make sure policies widen wage differentials between US and other workers. When will the turmoil end? Posted by: slothrop | Jun 15 2005 17:32 utc | 69 wayne madsen on bolton & the nsa intercepts: NSA insiders report that [outgoing director general] Hayden approved special intercept operations on behalf of Bolton and had them masked as “training missions” in order to get around internal NSA regulations that normally prohibit such eavesdropping on U.S. citizens. Posted by: b real | Jun 15 2005 18:10 utc | 70 The Movement is building. Rallies being organized quickly around the country for tomorrow after the Conyers hearings. For more info Posted by: jj | Jun 15 2005 18:26 utc | 71 To my friends on the left and right: Posted by: elliott | Jun 16 2005 8:03 utc | 72 @ Elliot
It’s a significant positive step. Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 16 2005 8:23 utc | 73 Oops, that was me who failed to close the link. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 16 2005 8:26 utc | 74 You’re welcome. Each of us in these virtual communities contribute our small portions to add to the value of the whole … Posted by: Outraged | Jun 16 2005 8:43 utc | 75 D’Oh ! That sounds pompous … a round of drinks for everyone on me bartender and who’s snaffled the bar snacks ? 😉 Posted by: Outraged | Jun 16 2005 8:47 utc | 76 It’s not much, but every journey begins with but a single step …
Posted by: Outraged | Jun 16 2005 9:05 utc | 77 It’s striking (and encouraging) how many “career military”
has to be decked with self-irony to be acceptable. (Of Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 16 2005 9:20 utc | 78 Fewer Applying To US Military Academies …
Posted by: Outraged | Jun 16 2005 9:38 utc | 79 @elliot- I am here right now to make a pledge, a pledge to the future of all humanity that I will not destroy society by fighting over my self-righteous ideology. I pledge to work with everyone by not judging them, but respecting them and proceding with them to better our lives as one. Posted by: b real | Jun 16 2005 15:06 utc | 80 |
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