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May 14, 2005
New Open Thread
For your week-end enjoyment.
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From the Joe Bageant link (thanks beq,& I’ll type this myself): Posted by: anna missed | May 14 2005 7:59 utc | 1 Canonize John Paul II! Pope sets predecessor on road to sainthood in record 26 days. Posted by: teuton | May 14 2005 9:31 utc | 2 Sorry Fran, I had not seen your comment on the coming canonization of John Paul II on May 13, 2005 09:56 AM. Posted by: teuton | May 14 2005 11:37 utc | 3 Teuton, don’t worry, even popes don’t have to be infallible anymore to achieve beatification :^) Posted by: Fran | May 14 2005 13:18 utc | 4 WaPo Posted by: alabama | May 14 2005 14:19 utc | 5 As I read those most recently linked Bageant articles, I realized what it is about his writing that makes me uneasy. First off, there’s the fact that he isn’t a very deep thinker—he may be glib, but his mental processes aren’t any more effective than those of the people around him who he describes as imbeciles. To him, the world begins and ends with his home town, or at most his home state. So all the predictions he makes are based on the idea that the entire world is going to sink or swim at the same rate and at the same time as his home state. And, like Socrates, he presents everything as a choice between two not-really-opposites—either you’re exactly like the locals, or you’re so different that you might as well be from Mars. The article on dieoff, where he says that we’re all going to have permanent blackouts in a few years, is a good example. Sorry, Joe, not everyone lives in a backward, horrible hole like you. Europe and Asia will probably survive, because they’re smart enough to do something about it now. The other thing that bothers me about him is his political perspective. Whenever I read his writings about the American left, such as it is, I end up taking away the following: “Down here, nobody has any redeeming features at all. We’re extremely cruel, and extremely stupid, and extremely right-wing. We tend to be obese and ugly, too, so we aren’t even nice to look at. We have disdain for anyone who differs from us in any of those categories. We think social spending is a waste and we hate other countries and would like to blow them all up. To a lesser extent, the same goes for other areas of our own country which are not the same as ours. In our spare time, we sit around drinking, watching television, and complaining. When we aren’t picking fights, that is. Or randomly shooting at things. Our whole lifestyle is made possible by spending from out of state, but even though changing our lifestyle is unthinkable, we don’t have any gratitude for those who provide it, either. Why isn’t the left making recruiting us its highest priority?” Quite frankly, from his description, it sounds as though it would be easier to convert northern Republicans to the left than it would be to get these people. And in fact, it sounds like these people would be the last recruits anyone would ever get, because nobody with any sense—and I credit the left with more sense than the right, in general—would want to be on the same side as them. They’re what I would come up with if I set out to make up a fictional group of humans who were as repulsive as possible, as an extreme case to test someone’s goodwill. If there’s a coming dieoff, and things are as bad as Mr. Bageant thinks, then maybe we should just kill them now and get it over with; it would save a lot of trouble in the long run. Posted by: Blind Misery | May 14 2005 14:56 utc | 6 The Guardian has been so badly gutted in recent yrs. that I turned to the film section to find anything of interest. Came up w/Germaine Greer writing art. on James Dean: Posted by: jj | May 14 2005 17:49 utc | 7 Freedom is fascism. (following on from Joe Bageant) Posted by: Blackie | May 14 2005 18:15 utc | 9 To wit: Posted by: Blackie | May 14 2005 18:29 utc | 10 Tariq Ali is on CSPAN-2 @5:30EDT today – filmed in Berkeley! Posted by: jj | May 14 2005 18:41 utc | 11 Canonize John Paul II! Pope sets predecessor on road to sainthood in record 26 days. Posted by: doug r | May 14 2005 18:48 utc | 12 Good point Blackie, Posted by: dan of steele | May 14 2005 18:56 utc | 13 Oh Dan of steele I agree but do think that ‘squeezed economically’ has relevance. All over the Western world, that is happening. Posted by: Blackie | May 14 2005 19:26 utc | 14 Blackie, Posted by: anna missed | May 14 2005 20:38 utc | 15 Blackie Posted by: dan of steele | May 14 2005 21:02 utc | 16 Buy a pie at a pie shop, carefully remove the upper crust, and then gently lower a family of live gerbils into the pie. Replace the crust and storm back into the pie shop, indignantly pointing out the five little heads poking up through the crust. Collect ten million dollars and appear with the gerbils on “Larry King Live.” Repeat in all fifty states, with different pastry-rodent combinations so as to elude detection. Posted by: Nugget | May 14 2005 22:04 utc | 17 Jerome’s pipe dream is not dead yet…. Posted by: biklett | May 15 2005 1:28 utc | 19 Iraq is a bloody no man’s land. America has failed to win the war. But has it lost it? Posted by: Nugget | May 15 2005 1:58 utc | 20 Very interesting, Nugget. Some months ago, Pat said a thing or two about the sketchy competence of officers who served through the ’90’s (if I remember correctly). And it’s surely the case that lots of Saddam’s more capable veterans are plotting the tactics and strategy of the insurgents. I suspect that “Matador”–where we provided all the necessary men and machinery–was a failed mission, and if so, it surely failed because the insurgents had better intelligence and more accomplished commanders. Posted by: alabama | May 15 2005 3:15 utc | 21 “The recent past always presents itself as though annihilated by catastrophes.” Adorno, in a letter to Benjamin, June 5, 1935. Posted by: slothrop | May 15 2005 3:36 utc | 23 compliments to nugget. thanks for the heads up, dude. Posted by: slothrop | May 15 2005 3:41 utc | 24 Why has the vastly expensive and heavily equipped US army failed militarily in Iraq? After the crescendo of violence over the past month there should be no doubts that the US has not quashed the insurgents whom for two years American military spokesmen have portrayed as a hunted remnant of Saddam Hussein’s regime assisted by foreign fighters. Posted by: jj | May 15 2005 3:48 utc | 25 Sunday Times – on how the US is wining the war.
Posted by: Fran | May 15 2005 6:26 utc | 27 James Bennett, writing in the Sunday NYTimes News of the Week in Review, admits to some perplexity and astonishment at what he takes to be the self-defeating ways of the Iraqi “insurgency”. He tells us that the “insurgents,” fighting as they do, defy the lessons of common-sense and history (as in Northern Ireland, Viet Nam, and so forth). Well, he’d get a clearer picture of the fighting if he stopped calling it an “insurgency”. Because it’s just a plain old war–the same one we started in March of 2003. We haven’t won it yet, and our opponents–the Iraqi military–haven’t lost it yet. As a force that has yet to surrender, the Iraqi military can be expected to discipline any civilians interfering with their appointed tasks (because it’s wartime, after all, and the battles are being fought on the home soil). Why doesn’t Mr. Bennett recognize this rather ordinary state of affairs? Does he think that a “mission” of some kind has been “accomplished?” Posted by: alabama | May 15 2005 6:41 utc | 28 From the Independent article @ 9:58 PM: Posted by: Pat | May 15 2005 10:04 utc | 30 Saudi to sue senior US officials
Posted by: Fran | May 15 2005 11:00 utc | 31 Something interesting on TV tonight Posted by: vbo | May 15 2005 14:40 utc | 32 Thanks for that link, Uncle $cam. For those who didn’t have time to read the entire article, all media were barred from her hearing, then:
The article details all the efforts over tehe years to keep her silent and states that, according to legal experts, “the level of secrecy and classification in my court case and the attitudes and handling of the court system in dealing with my case is unprecedented in the entire U.S. court history. Why?
Wonder whose sensitive foreign relations our govt is protecting. Posted by: lonesomeG | May 15 2005 15:07 utc | 33 vbo- I think things in The Netherlands are not as wonderful as they seem to some of us who view it from the outside. I was talking to someone who has lived in the US for a while, but who has lots of family still there, and the whole thing with Theo Van Gogh and the retaliation on muslims in Eindoven, etc. reflects a culture clash that goes beyond one person. Posted by: fauxreal | May 15 2005 15:46 utc | 34
One can only read this as a kind of straussian-inflected comedy. The poor believe what cannot be true, and this is the source of the poor’s virtues. Good little people. Posted by: slothrop | May 15 2005 16:21 utc | 35 Pat @ 6:04 AM: a sobering post. And how do you fix a broken army? As for Intelligence (military or civilian): how many competent Arabists can be found in the services and agencies nowadays? When OIF got under way, someone mentioned the number “400” (but I’m not sure whether this was for the CIA, or for the larger community). It might take a new NDEA Title IV funding measure to meet our needs…. Posted by: alabama | May 15 2005 17:15 utc | 36
Ah, I forgot those discussions last year at The Whiskey Bar: we don’t need any Arabists because we have Mossad on our side. That’s how we got going at Abu Ghraib. Posted by: alabama | May 15 2005 18:07 utc | 38 More reports from the covert war on Academia: David Graeber From an article in Zmag: Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 15 2005 18:34 utc | 39 anna missed, dan of steele, sure, good comments. Posted by: Blackie | May 15 2005 18:48 utc | 40 Historia Bush “The evils by which a civilization dies are more specific, more complex, more deliberate, sometimes, more difficult to discover or to define. But we have learned to recognize that gigantism which is merely the morbid mimetism of growth, that waste which makes a pretense of wealth in states already bankrupt, that plethora so quickly replaced by dearth at the first crisis, those entertainments for the people provided from the upper levels of the hierarchy, that atmosphere of inertia and panic, of authoritarianism and of anarchy, those pompous reaffirmations of a great past amid present mediocrity and immediate disorder, those reforms which are merely palliatives and those outbursts of virtue which are manifested only by purges, those unacknowledged men of genius lost in the crowd of unscrupulous gangsters, of violent lunatics, of honest men who are inept and wise men who are helpless. The modern reader is at home in the Historia Augusta.” Posted by: Anonymous | May 15 2005 20:43 utc | 41 Bah Bah red sheep Posted by: anna missed | May 15 2005 21:14 utc | 42 Dear Everyone: Posted by: jj | May 16 2005 3:56 utc | 43 Well, maybe, maybe the tide is changing. Found this quote from the Simpsons on dKos. Posted by: Fran | May 16 2005 6:40 utc | 45 Bushs old chief of staff from Texas is now working for the Syrians. That shoulda been Jack Abramofs new job. Posted by: anna missed | May 16 2005 9:16 utc | 47 WaPo Not Just A Last Resort?
Oh dear. I hadn’t thought about this before. I know this is way out there, but I think I’d be remiss to not try to point all this out- Posted by: INFOHAZARD | May 16 2005 10:42 utc | 50 Good one, INFOHAZARD. Posted by: OkieByAccident | May 16 2005 16:26 utc | 51 U.S. capital inflows slow in March
hmmm – time to go short US$ again? @b, hmmm – time to go short US$ again? Does that mean buy or sell? Posted by: Fran | May 16 2005 17:18 utc | 53 @Fran – sell, but the question is against what. Thanks b, currently it is really difficult to invest, especially if you don’t have much time to follow the market. I no it is nonsense, but at the moment I am keeping the cash. Posted by: Fran | May 16 2005 18:38 utc | 55 Iraq: Operation Matador another failure for the U.S. Posted by: Nugget | May 16 2005 21:03 utc | 56 Looks like the El Salvador option has been put into place with Iraqi Security Forces organized into death squads: Posted by: biklett | May 16 2005 23:49 utc | 57 U.S. approves Iraq trade by man named as Galloway middleman Posted by: Nugget | May 16 2005 23:57 utc | 58 Mark Whittaker, Newsweek editor, just now, on Newshour: Posted by: slothrop | May 17 2005 0:22 utc | 59 US ‘backed illegal Iraqi oil deals’ Posted by: Nugget | May 17 2005 1:13 utc | 60 Will be fun to watch Galloway at the Senat investigations. I think he is ready for a fight and not willing to mince words. Posted by: Fran | May 17 2005 1:23 utc | 61 Does this mean the WH is saying – the Blair Government is lying?
Posted by: Fran | May 17 2005 6:59 utc | 63 Interestinmg Knight Ridder take on operation Matador. Marine-led campaign killed friends and foes, Iraqi leaders say
Financial Times: Fears for dollar as central banks sell US assets
Parallel universes?
Posted by: beq | May 17 2005 17:38 utc | 66 nugget Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 17 2005 20:08 utc | 67 You are welcome r’giap. Posted by: Nugget | May 18 2005 0:29 utc | 68 Fascist-compatible Reactionaries of the World Unite, having nothing to lose but their Civilization Posted by: jj | May 18 2005 3:05 utc | 69 ALERT ALERT! Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 18 2005 4:58 utc | 70 U.S. is its own worst enemy in Iraq Posted by: Nugget | May 18 2005 5:12 utc | 71 Losing in Iraq Posted by: Nugget | May 18 2005 5:17 utc | 72 When the US pushes China to up-value, doesn’t that imply China would be fucking stupid not to sell off first? Why would you raise the price of renmenbi before you had moved dollars to something that would not drop? Posted by: citizen k | May 18 2005 6:09 utc | 73 @citizen k – you are absolutly correct regarding Chinas US$ reserves. I don´t understand what those folks in Washington do not get here. FWIW Posted by: Anonymous | May 18 2005 14:40 utc | 76 Luis Posada Carriles was arrested in Miami @ 3:30ET yesterday. will enough voices be raised forcing extradition to venezuela? otherwise, the bush admin will prove to the public that the GWOT is a joke. Posted by: b real | May 18 2005 14:59 utc | 77
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