Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 12, 2005
Down The Toilet

Without a very high level excuse from U.S. officals, this will escalate into a storm on Karzai’s residence.

Three more dead in Afghan anti-US protests

Three more people were killed in eastern
Afghanistan in protests against the alleged US abuse of the Koran, raising the death toll from three days of unrest to seven, officials said.

The demonstrations have now spread to 10 provinces in Afghanistan, with total casualties of at least seven dead and 76 injured, he added.

On Thursday there were repeated demonstrations in the capital Kabul as well as the provinces of Nangarhar, Parwan, Kapisa, Takhar and Logar.

The protests were sparked by allegations in Newsweek magazine last week that interrogators at the US military detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, desecrated a Koran by stuffing it down a toilet to rattle Muslim prisoners.

Newsweek reported:

interrogators, in an attempt to rattle suspects, flushed a Qur’an down a toilet and led a detainee around with a collar and dog leash

While more protest rises in Pakistan, the parliament there is asking for legal action. The babble of a State Department spokesman will not be enough to calm this down.

Comments

This is, of course, all Newsweek’s fault. The regime and the military are blameless. If Newsweek hadn’t published this, everything would be just hunky-dory.

Posted by: Colman | May 12 2005 13:28 utc | 1

Colman
the freepers and the goons at LGF are probably organizing a lynching for the editor as we speak.

Posted by: dan of steele | May 12 2005 16:02 utc | 2

Strong language from Juan Cole:
Whatever goddam military genius came up with the bright idea of flushing the Koran down the toilet at Guantanamo should be court-martialed, and Bush had better get out there apologizing before this thing spirals further out of control.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12 2005 16:04 utc | 3

That Koran flushing thing… is that a Bolton technique?

Posted by: Scott McArthur | May 12 2005 16:21 utc | 4

No, no, no, don’t let Bush apologise. Can you imagine? “I’m a-uh-uh-a-uh, sor-…. I don’t think that it was right for them to flush your stupid book down the loo.”
That won’t make things better.

Posted by: Colman | May 12 2005 16:32 utc | 5

I wonder if an apology from him at this point about anything would make a difference to anyone.

Posted by: beq | May 12 2005 16:44 utc | 6

Why apologise?
They want things worse.
They want the green zone under attack.
They want a world of terrorists.
They want a big fuck off generalised us against them war.
They want a draft.
They want to make Iraq uninhabitable.
They are all over 50 and they want to drag the world out with them.
They want it all and they can have it

Posted by: slugger o toole | May 12 2005 18:23 utc | 7

The US wants the EU to join in taking over Eurasia. (Old debts). So far, they have been quite sucessful, but the minor glitches, such as Chirac taking a stance against the Iraq invasion, have thrown small spanners in the works and awakened hegemonic hysteria.
Pressure will continue to grow – the EU must arm etc. – and it will have impact. The vision of the EU resisting US domination and lead is a bunch of baloney. The US is 100% for EU enlargement… while making noises about cheese eaters, old and new EU, and so on.
The hiccups about the EU constitution are just that – hiccups.
The UN – as a forum for ‘all’ nation states (and it is built entirely on the Nation State definition) is both a boon and an obstacle to the US. Boon, because the US, as one of the largest contributors, can control it (see sanctions on Iraq, nomination of the new UNHCR chief, – astronomical budget – after Ruud Lubbers quit over a supposed sexual harassment scandal); and obstacle, because they cannot quite manage to take it over and control votes, despite bribery, arm twisting, etc.
This bind leads them to join in and continue to have a powerful representative there who can pull strings, bully, control, threaten, and at the same time publicly claim international legitimacy through participation.
Bolton is the perfect choice.
The Iraqis and others are not fooled. Internationally, the UN has lost its credibility as puppets of the powers that be, as a shoddy arm of the democracy-hegemonists.
If not Bolton, someone else a little softer. I suppose that may happen, but it changes nothing much in the grand scope.

Posted by: Blackie | May 12 2005 19:23 utc | 8

wrong thread maybe sorry – but it is linked!

Posted by: Blackie | May 12 2005 19:27 utc | 9

“They want to make Iraq uninhabitable.”
They’ve succeeded. Horror of USA’s Depleted Uranium in Iraq Threatens World
At beg. of invasion, when I saw TV anchors shipped over there to do advertisement for Pentagon, I hoped they’d get sickened by DU to help end its use. Peter Jennings came down w/lung cancer. “Beauty” of DU, is how difficult it is to connect his cancer to exposure…

Posted by: jj | May 12 2005 21:44 utc | 10

@Blackie 3:33 PM
I’ve been watching for some indication which way the EU will go. Multi-polar ala Chirac’s “vision” or join the US’ single pole? I haven’t seen any overt sign that they are tilting one way or the other and the populations of Europe seem opposed to siding with the US. The Asia Times and others seem to think the EU is playing a waiting game, going with the US when it suits their strategic purposes (e.g., vs Russia in the Ukraine and Georgia) and opposing when it doesn’t (e.g., Iran). Why do you see the EU throwing in with the US? Even EU leaders of average intelligence have to see that the US desperate gamble to win the Great Game once and for all will fail in the long run. No?

Posted by: lonesomeG | May 12 2005 23:38 utc | 11

No, no, no, don’t let Bush apologise. Can you imagine? “I’m a-uh-uh-a-uh, sor-…. I don’t think that it was right for them to flush your stupid book down the loo.”
Eeeeeeeeeeeee! ;D
Too true, Colman.
And it’s too late now, there is a timing to these things. Pakistan getting into the act is about the worst news yet. We’ve united Europe; who knows?–Maybe we can unite Pakistan and India. 😀
Reminds me of the India Mutiny in the 19th century. Word got out that the Brits were using pig fat to lubricate rifle cartridges, and as reloding entailed placing the cartridge in the mouth, this was a big taboo for the Muslim troops. They rebelled, inflicting great loss of life. Somehow the Brits never managed to deny the rumor. 🙂
The problem with psychopaths like Bush, is that one can’t help oneself but try to come up with reasonable explanations for what they do. There aren’t any. Reason would lead you to conclude that Bush is deliberately and carefully arranging to destroy the United States in the greatest blow-out in human history. With collateral damage.
Reason is no help.
Getting rid of him would help.

Posted by: Gaianne | May 13 2005 0:45 utc | 12

Juan Cole writes:

A friend of mine with Pentagon contacts tells a tragicomic story. The Pakistani government complained to the US Department of Defense about the desecration of the Koran. The Pentagon passed the protest to the Southeast Asia division. It looked into the matter in East Asia and responded that it could find no evidence that the US military had flushed a Korean down the toilet.

Ouch

Posted by: b | May 13 2005 7:41 utc | 13

Indonesian Muslims protest U.S. Koran abuse report
Well, I don´t think they protest the report of the abuse but the abuse itself. Anyhow – it´s Friday and many Muslims will be visit their mosques today.

Posted by: b | May 13 2005 11:07 utc | 14

IMHO the EU is doing what it did with Brezhnev: do not confront, smile, cash the checks and wait for the rot to topple the regime.

Posted by: Lupin | May 13 2005 11:32 utc | 15

Protests across Muslim world over Koran report

Angry protests raged across the Muslim world from Indonesia to Gaza on Friday over a report that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay had desecrated the Koran, with calls for retaliation and a rising death toll.
In Afghanistan, at least nine people were killed on Friday, in protests over the report bringing the country’s death toll to 16 this week in its worst anti-American demonstrations since the fall of the Taliban.
Washington sought to stem Muslim anger as allies demanded investigations and thousands took to the streets in outrage over the Newsweek magazine report that interrogators at the U.S. military prison in Cuba had put the Muslim holy book on a toilet and at least once flushed it down.
The unrest spread to Pakistan, which called for a U.S. probe. Hundreds of people held a peaceful protest in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation.
In Gaza, several thousand Palestinians marched through a refugee camp in a protest organized by the Islamic militant group Hamas. Several hundred Palestinians also marched in the West Bank city of Hebron.

Posted by: b | May 13 2005 19:15 utc | 16

lonesomeG,
The population of the EU doesn’t want, overall, to side with the US. That attitude may be seen as noble or insular, misguided. I think most would even agree to accepting Russia and boosting it, etc. They are happy with their lives (mostly, specially when they make comparisons..) and see no need to kill Muslims, invade Syria, etc. – or object to it on moral grounds.
I see Chirac (and others) position against the Iraq invasion as more a question of strategy than ultimate aim. Of course the Americans played that stance up as sneaky treachery and as resting on cupid commercial interests. True enough, in a way – strategy. Chirac and others preffered to leave Saddam in place and deal with him, and saw the danger and disruption invading Iraq would create. Cautious back benchers! Who can object to and critisise the actions of the front runner….America’s desperation is theirs, at heart, but they prefer not to reveal that, facing their citizens.
The EU does not have the military to play, that is threaten. It is still counting on Big Brother, but striving for independence nonetheless. The independence is tied up with the scope and size of the EU – the recent enlargment was too rapid, not well thought out, a scramble for economic expansion, territory, supported by the US, because the US can control the EU. The bigger it is, the better. And the EU imagines….who knows.
On another level, all (footnotes skipped) the Western elites are striving to dismantle social services, health care, pensions, etc. in favor of a dog eat dog society. On that point, they are aligned with the US, but are more than a bit ‘behind’. Many truly believe in the ‘knowledge society’ either because they think third world countries will take over production and the controls will remain in Europe, fat cats pushing the accounts, burbling about trickle down, better education, democratic advances, or because they see no other way to go – acceptance of historical inevitability – a need to compete to keep one’s head up and ensure survival. The march of the future! I think many, too, are simply puzzled and don’t know what to to do. They desperately want to reverse what is happening but can see no way foward, of for that matter, back.
Some – and they are in power – are getting their kicks, their contacts, their status, their invites, their life blood, from money making greed and TV type status. They are on the gravy train of their own making and competely adhere to to the spread of -quote- the free market and democracy. Jerome posted about the cancer of French umemployment, Chirac’s duplicity and multiple faces…it is quite typical.
I agree with the Asia Times. A waiting game, on the face of it…But I’m betting a round of drinks that the EU will stick with the US. The EU will never face up to the US squarely, it cannot. It will pussyfoot about, like a tired mistress who still has a hold, looking for other lovers on the side. It will bend to US demands, reluctanctly and hypocritically, pretending to false fears, as it cannot do better on its own and won’t move forward with new alliances, as the elite is not too concerned.
Eurasia is huge!

Posted by: Blackie | May 13 2005 20:24 utc | 17

Iraq:
An Interview with Ghazwan al-Mukhtar:
The Occupation Gets More Saddam-like Everyday
Link
Seymour Hersh: Iraq “Moving Towards Open Civil War”
Link
Asia Times: In Iraq’s insurgency, no rules, just death
By Ehsan Ahrari
Link

Posted by: Blackie | May 13 2005 20:42 utc | 18

An oh-so-rare bit of FANTASTIC NEWS. A guy in the chain of command who is SANE..
“I think that the government has successfully proved that any service member has reasonable cause to believe that the wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq were illegal.”
    — Lt. Cmdr. Robert Klant, presiding at Pablo Paredes’ court-martial

    In a stunning blow to the Bush administration, a Navy judge gave Petty Officer 3rd Class Pablo Paredes no jail time for refusing orders to board the amphibious assault ship Bonhomme Richard before it left San Diego with 3,000 sailors and Marines bound for the Persian Gulf on December 6th. Lt. Cmdr. Robert Klant found Pablo guilty of missing his ship’s movement by design, but dismissed the charge of unauthorized absence. Although Pablo faced one year in the brig, the judge sentenced him to two months’ restriction and three months of hard labor, and reduced his rank to seaman recruit.
    “This is a huge victory,” said Jeremy Warren, Pablo’s lawyer. “A sailor can show up on a Navy base, refuse in good conscience to board a ship bound for Iraq, and receive no time in jail,” Warren added.

Posted by: jj | May 13 2005 21:47 utc | 19

Oops, didn’t mean to hit “post”.
Here’s the Link

Posted by: jj | May 13 2005 21:48 utc | 20

pablo’s statement before the military court was commendable.

I read extensively on the arguments and results of Nazi German soldiers, as well as imperial Japanese soldiers, in the Nuremberg and Tokyo Trials, respectively. In all I read I came to an overwhelming conclusion supported by countless examples that any soldier who knowingly participates in an illegal war can find no haven in the fact that they were following orders, in the eyes of international law.

exactly

Posted by: b real | May 13 2005 22:19 utc | 21

Losing hearts and minds
“…Look, check this out. You tell them this. You’re not fucking leaving. Nobody’s fucking leaving this house. You’re not using the phone. Anybody comes, they’re going to fucking stay here. OK? You give me a fucking hard time, I’ll turn you fucking guys into the commandos, and they’ll fuck you up….”
….In a sign of their morass, the soldiers described themselves in lowly terms far removed from the pre-invasion build-up, when Vice President Dick Cheney said ”we will be greeted as liberators.” The supervising soldier in Mosul told NPR as his armored vehicle cruised the streets, ”If you look on the walls here, you can see all this graffiti. We’ve really taken to the streets here kind of like a gang unit would in, say, LA. It’s a giant gang war, and we’ve got the biggest gang, so every time we see graffiti, we mark it out, we tag it with ‘US Forces,’ and we say, ‘Hey look, this is our block.’ ”
Funny, when Bush told us we were liberating the Iraqi people, he said nothing about employing the Crips and Bloods.

Posted by: Nugget | May 13 2005 22:33 utc | 22

Saudi ire at Koran desecration

Posted by: Nugget | May 13 2005 22:35 utc | 23

My thoughts on this.
“Submission of the Infidels”
An American Expat in Southeast Asia

Posted by: LHM | May 14 2005 10:09 utc | 24

A familiar glimpse into a putrid mind LHM, you warped bigot.

Posted by: Nugget | May 14 2005 10:59 utc | 25