Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 10, 2005
Body Count

"We don’t do body counts," Gen. Tommy Franks said.

That has changed …

Juan Cole wrote this morning:

The remarkable thing about the operation was the claim by the US to have killed 100 guerrillas, a new move in the propaganda wars. … The problem with giving out such numbers, however, is that sooner or later there will be another scandal.

We did not have to wait long for the obvious scandal to unfold.

James Janega, a reporter for the Chicago Tribune embedded with US troops in western Iraq, reports form the combat zone:

Though military commanders in Baghdad announced that 100 insurgent fighters were killed in the early fighting, along with three Marines, [Col. Stephen] Davis’ [, commander of Marine Regimental Combat Team 2, responsible for this rugged corner of Anbar province near the Syrian border], figures were lower. He said "a couple of dozen" insurgents had been killed in Ubaydi, about 10 at another river crossing near Al Qaim, and several who were killed by air strikes north of the river.

Apparently Colonel Davis did not get the brief from Central Disinformation Command,  Baghdad, that was distributed via the Associated Press. But the Main Stream Media did get it, and swallowed its content – as usual – hook, line and sinker:

Wapo: Marines Kill 100 Fighters In Sanctuary Near Syria,
NYT: 100 Rebels Killed in U.S. Offensive in Western Iraq,
Boston Globe: US kills 100 militants in Iraq offensive,
Guardian: U.S. Attack in Iraq Kills 100 Insurgents,
CBS News: U.S.: 100 Militants Killed In Iraq,
NPR: U.S. Offensive Kills 100 Insurgents in Iraq,
Indianapolis Star: U.S. assault leaves 100 militants dead,
ABC News: U.S. Attack in Iraq Kills 100 Insurgents,
Washington Times: Major U.S. attack kills up to 100,
SF Chronicle: U.S. Attack in Iraq Kills 100 Insurgents,
St.Petersburg Times: U.S. raids in Iraq kill 100 militants,
NY Post: TROOPS KILL 100 ZARQAWI GOONS,
Pakistan Tribune: US forces kill 100 militants near Syrian border,
CNN: U.S.: 100 insurgents killed near Iraq-Syria border,
Muslim American Society: U.S. Kills 100 in Iraq Offensive
Gulf Daily News: 100 rebels die in US offensive",
South Coast Today: U.S. corners al-Zarqawi followers 100 militants killed in sweep

… plus "a couple of dozen" which I "don´t do body count" here.

Do those editors really wonder why the blogsphere denounces the MSM?

Comments

b
tho it would take far too much time & space
that little list of shame of the corrupt medi would be an interesting feature
tho i imagine we would get more melancholic than we already are

Posted by: remembereringgiap | May 10 2005 23:23 utc | 1

A large section of the people, probably the great majority of the younger generation, accepts the government-sponsored views as true, if not at once at least after a time. How have they been convinced? And where does the time factor enter? They have not been convinced by compulsion, for compulsion does not produce conviction. It merely paves the way for conviction by silencing contradiction. What is called freedom of thought in a large number of cases amounts to–and even for all practical purposes consists of–the ability to choose between two or more different views presented by the small minority of people who are public speakers or writers. If this choice is prevented, the only kind of intellectual independence of which many people are capable is destroyed, and that is the only freedom of thought which is of political importance. Persecution is therefore the indispensable condition for the highest efficiency of what might be calledlogica equina…..

Posted by: alabama | May 11 2005 0:04 utc | 2

Not just the great majority of the younger generation Alabama

The Senate approved the measure by a 100-0 vote Tuesday.

Congress Approves Additional $82B for War Spending

Democrats used the opportunity to criticize the Bush administration for its Iraq policies and for failing to go through the normal budget process to pay for the wars.

Sure the Democrats use the opportunity – by a 100-0 vote

Posted by: b | May 11 2005 0:09 utc | 3

Google ‘1000 insurgents killed’ or any ‘# insurgents killed’ to see the pattern. Just like the 75 rebels killed by Iraqi security forces a few weeks ago which was soon debunked. Don’t they even see the silliness of their propaganda? If every remote town can have >100 fighters, how can this be won?

Posted by: biklett | May 11 2005 0:19 utc | 4

And, the philosophers should direct “logica equina”:

While philosophy presupposes social life (division of labor), the philosopher has no attachment to society: his soul is elsewhere. Accordingly, the philosopher’s rules of social conduct do not go beyond the minimum moral requirements of living together. Besides, from the philosopher’s point of view, observation of these rules is not an end in itself, but merely a means toward an end, the ultimate end being contemplation. More precisely, these rules are not obligatory; they are valid, not absolutely, but only in the large majority of cases; they can safely be disregarded in extreme cases, in cases of urgent need; 139 they are rules of “prudence” rather than rules of morality proper. The Natural Law is then a rule of social conduct which is only hypothetically valid and whose addressees are “rugged individualists,” men with no inner attachment to society, men who are not-citizens: it is in contrast to the essentially solitary philosopher that the truly good or pious man is called “the guardian of his city,”… . It is hardly necessary to add that it is precisely this view of the non-categoric character of the rules of social conduct which permits the philosopher to hold that a man who has become a philosopher, may adhere in his deeds and speeches to a religion to which he does not adhere in his thoughts; it is this view, I say, which is underlying the exotericism of the philosophers.–Strauss, from “The Law of Reason in the Kuzari”

ha-cha-cha-cha.

Posted by: slothrop | May 11 2005 0:39 utc | 5

@Slothrop:
I thought for a moment that philosophers engaged in “logica Equina” were taking the day off and fucking horses or something.
Thanks so very much for clarifying.
With respect to numbers, I am sure that what is “real” will become readily apparent in several years or less, even to the more obtuse.
It is very interesting , though, how the little Goebbels at the MSM report faithfully what they are told.

Posted by: FlashHarry | May 11 2005 0:56 utc | 6

….logica equina. According to the horse-drawn Parmenides, or to Gulliver’s Houyhnhnms, one cannot say, or one cannot reasonably say “the thing which is not”: that is, lies are inconceivable. This logic is not peculiar to horses or horse-drawn philosophers, but determines, if in a somewhat modified manner, the thought of many ordinary human beings as well. They would admit, as a matter of course, that man can lie and does lie. But they would add that lies are short-lived and cannot stand the test of repetition–let alone of constant repetition–and that therefore a statement which is constantly repeated and never contradicted must be true. Another line of argument maintains that a statement made by an ordinary fellow may be a lie, but the truth of a statement made by a responsible and respected man, and therefore particularly by a man in a highly responsible or exalted position, is morally certain. These two enthymemes lead to the conclusion that the truth of statement which is constantly repeated by the head of the government and never contradicted is absolutely certain….

Posted by: alabama | May 11 2005 1:32 utc | 7

Aside from the false body count itself, it troubles me that the military always refers to anyone killed as “militants”, “terrorists”, or “insurgents”. Especially in situations like this where they are using aerial bombardment…how do they know who these people are? Unlike with the suicide car bombers, in which case they always put out the number of civilians killed or injured, when our side is doing the wanton destruction it only seems to hit militant insurgent terrorists.

Posted by: maxcrat | May 11 2005 1:35 utc | 8

horse logic?

Posted by: anna missed | May 11 2005 2:08 utc | 9

Nationwide Army Stand-Down – May 20, 2005
And why is this you may ask…well, by all means click the link, but sit down first.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 11 2005 2:14 utc | 10

King of Jordan to pardon Chalabi over $300m bank fraud
King Abdullah of Jordan has agreed to pardon Ahmed Chalabi, the controversial Iraqi political leader, who was sentenced to 22 years in prison for fraud after his bank collapsed with $300m (£160m) in missing deposits in 1989.
Jalal Talabani, the Iraqi President, asked the king to resolve the differences between Jordan and Mr Chalabi, now Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, during a visit to Amman this week….

Posted by: Nugget | May 11 2005 2:37 utc | 11

Here we go again. Can’t imagine why anyone would draw parallels between Iraq and Viet Nam.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 11 2005 2:38 utc | 12

let them bring on the draft. excellent opportunity to elevate the consciousness of the younger generation & force them to address the future these mf’ers have consigned to them. since this war is hardly a matter of nationalism, this is the time for revolutionary social & political consciousness. and we’re going to need massive civic mobilization if we ever hope to deal w/ the death of petroleum man. it’s time for some revolutionary leadership. turn up the heat, i say.

Posted by: b real | May 11 2005 2:54 utc | 13

Growing Pains and Strains

Posted by: Groucho | May 11 2005 3:49 utc | 14

I think it may come from Cicero, anna missed, referring to the horses at the start of Parmenides’ poem (taken to represent doxa ). But it’s been a while, and I’ll have to look it up in the library.

Posted by: alabama | May 11 2005 4:02 utc | 15

WaPo
When I read stories like this, I think of the chicken hawks who sent these kids on this mission.

Posted by: alabama | May 11 2005 5:18 utc | 16

Amen

Posted by: annie | May 11 2005 6:44 utc | 17

We are creating enemies faster than we can kill them.

Posted by: blog.that | May 11 2005 7:00 utc | 18

blog.that,
I know it’s not what you mean, but the logic might be just to shift the balance between the two variables. If one can kill more enemies than one creates, everything’s ok. This may very well be an article of faith (Feith?) among the Bushco world saviours.

Posted by: teuton | May 11 2005 9:01 utc | 19

As Bill Maher (I think?) once said, “they’re reloading”.
The next strike at the US is likely in the works as we speak.

Posted by: Lupin | May 11 2005 9:16 utc | 20

Flushing it down the toilet
Afghan police and U.S. troops opened fire to control hundreds of rioting students Wednesday angered at alleged abuse of the Quran at the U.S. jail in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, killing two protesters and injuring 40, officials said.
The shooting occurred in the eastern city of Jalalabad, where demonstrators smashed the windows of cars and shops and threw stones at a passing convoy of American soldiers. Mobs also broke into U.N. compounds and burned two cars. No U.N. staff were reported hurt.
“They are very angry and are spread over all over the city,” intelligence chief Sardar Shah told The Associated Press. “There are police, army and Americans shooting into the air. … We’ve tried to get control but I think it is impossible.”
At one point, officials said students chanting “Death to America” and “Death to Bush” threw stones at a group of American military vehicles. U.S. troops had fired into the air before quickly leaving the area, he said.
A U.S. military spokeswoman in Kabul had no information on the incident.
An Associated Press Television News cameraman said the crowds grew larger and wilder after the firing and that the streets were void of traffic. Mobs pelted a government office and the local television station with rocks and tore down posters of President Hamid Karzai.
Deputy health chief Mohammed Ayub Shinwari said two protesters were killed and 40 injured. Many were being treated in Jalalabad hospital for bullet wounds, he said.
Students held similar but peaceful protests in cities in neighboring Laghman province and Khost, further to the south, suggesting the protests were coordinated.
The demonstrations began Tuesday, when protesters burned an effigy of President Bush over a report in Newsweek magazine that interrogators at Guantanamo Bay placed Qurans on toilets in order to rattle suspects, and in at least one case “flushed a holy book down the toilet.”

Posted by: Cloned Poster | May 11 2005 12:51 utc | 21

Fallujah mosque shooting video — unedited, for first time.
Sites has made the complete, unedited video available for viewing online. During the discussion with NPR’s Chadwick, Sites said that while releasing only an edited version of the tape seemed at the time like the most responsible thing to do, given the heated political context — he now questions that decision. Should media second-guess the public’s ability to handle the whole truth? Would the additional detail have provided context that might have changed the way the public understood the incident?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | May 11 2005 15:05 utc | 22

seymour hersh on democracy now wednesday. very relevant to this thread.

Posted by: b real | May 11 2005 16:39 utc | 23

That inerview (linked above by b real)is ve-e-ery interesting. Hersh has a lot of connections and a lot of insight. I just think that he has been at it so long that he has (for the last couple of years) given too much credit and respect to the establishment, of which he is a part.
Even while calling Bush a Trotskyite he can’t bring himself to blast his old employer the NYT for its blatant whoredom.
Good read though.

Posted by: rapt | May 11 2005 20:22 utc | 24

rapt- you’re right. and i have a problem w/ self-censoring this story he told:

In one case — after I did Abu Ghraib, I got a bunch of digital pictures emailed me, and – was a lot of work on it, and I decided, well, we can talk about it later. You never know why you do things. You have some general rules, but in this case, a bunch of kids were going along in three vehicles. One of them got blown up. The other two units — soldiers ran out, saw some people running, opened up fire. It was a bunch of boys playing soccer. And in the digital videos you see everybody standing around, they pull the bodies together. This is last summer. They pull the bodies together. You see the body parts, the legs and boots of the Americans pulling bodies together. Young kids, I don’t know how old, 13, 15, I guess. And then you see soldiers dropping R.P.G.’s, which are rocket-launched grenades around them. And then they’re called in as an insurgent kill. It’s a kill of, you know, would-be insurgents or resistance and it goes into the computers, and I’m sure it’s briefed. Everybody remembers how My Lai was briefed as a great victory, “128 Vietcong killed.” And so you have that pattern again. You know, ask me why I didn’t do this story. Because I didn’t think the kids did murder. I think it was another day in the war. And even to write about it in a professional way would name names and all that.

Posted by: b real | May 11 2005 20:33 utc | 25

This implies that in the countries concerned all those whose thinking does not follow the rules of logica equina, in other words, all those capable of truly independent thinking, cannot be brought to accept the government-sponsored views. Persecution, then, cannot prevent independent thinking. It cannot prevent even the expression of independent thought. For it is as true today as it was more than two thousand years ago that it is a safe venture to tell the truth one knows to benevolent and trustworthy acquaintances, or more precisely, to reasonable friends. Persecution cannot prevent even public expression of the heterodox truth, for a man of independent thought can utter his views in public and remain unharmed, provided he moves with circumspection. He can even utter them in print without incurring any danger, provided he is capable of writing between the lines.

Posted by: alabama | May 12 2005 1:40 utc | 26

Body counts
May 11 – The morning news from Iraq today brought fresh chronicles of slaughter. Yes, even more than usual. American troops are waging an offensive they call Operation Matador in a remote stretch of desert near the Syrian border, while suicide bombs are going off in Iraq’s towns and cities, including the capital. Who’s winning? Who’s losing? Who knows?
The military and political future of Iraq remains so uncertain that the Pentagon in recent months has gone back to the Vietnam-era practice of citing bodycounts as measures of success. We’re told, for instance, that “as many as 100” insurgent fighters have been killed by the Matador forces. But of course that’s just a guesstimate, while the toll on the Americans and their Iraqi allies is all too concrete. Today alone, the insurgents managed to kill more than 60 would-be Iraqi military recruits and civilian bystanders in urban Iraq. The Americans are drawing lines in the sand, it would seem, while Tikrit and Baghdad are bathed in blood. Meanwhile, the total number of American dead in this war is now more than 1,600. And the Iraqi civilians killed by U.S. troops? Well, we’ll get back to that.
If there’s good news, it’s that while the Pentagon may obscure this grim reality in public presentations, it doesn’t seem to be kidding itself, as it did in Vietnam. An accidentally declassified Pentagon report about a killing on the road to Baghdad airport at the beginning of March shows quite clearly how much worse the overall situation is than the Bush administration would like us, or even its allies in the Coalition forces, to believe.
“The U.S. considers all of Iraq a combat zone,” says the report, which was wrapped up at the end of April, three months after the elections that were supposed to have turned the tide in this conflict. “From July 2004 to late March 2005,” says the document, “there were 15,527 attacks against Coalition Forces throughout Iraq.” Then comes one of several paragraphs marked S//NF (secret, not for distribution to foreign nationals): “From 1 November 2004 to 12 March 2005 there were 3306 attacks in the Baghdad area. Of these, 2400 were directed against Coalition Forces.” In a span of four and a half months, which included the election turning point, that’s not only a hell of a lot of hits in the capital city, it’s just pure hell……

Posted by: Nugget | May 12 2005 3:17 utc | 27

Iraq: Every member of one Marine squad killed or wounded
HABAN, IRAQ — The explosion enveloped the armored vehicle in flames, sending orange balls of fire bubbling above the trees along the Euphrates River near the Syrian border.
Marines in surrounding vehicles threw open their hatches and took off running across the plowed fields, toward the blackening metal of the destroyed vehicle. Shouting, they pulled to safety those they could, as the flames ignited the bullets, mortar rounds, flares and grenades inside, rocketing them into the sky and across pastures.
Gunnery Sgt. Chuck Hurley emerged from the smoke and turmoil around the vehicle, circling toward the spot where helicopters would later land to pick up casualties. As he passed one group of Marines, he uttered just one sentence: “That was the same squad.”
Among the four Marines killed and 10 wounded when an explosive device erupted under their Amtrac Wednesday were the last battle-ready members of a squad that four days earlier had battled foreign fighters holed up in a house in the town of Ubaydi. In that fight, two squad members were killed and five were wounded.
In 96 hours of fighting and ambushes in far western Iraq, the squad had just ceased to be.
Every member of the squad — one of three that make up the 1st Platoon of Lima Company, 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment — had been killed or wounded, Marines here said. All told, the 1st Platoon — which Hurley commands — had sustained 60 percent casualties, demolishing it as a fighting force.
“They used to call it Lucky Lima,” said Maj. Steve Lawson, commander of the company. “That turned around and bit us.”

Posted by: Nugget | May 12 2005 4:20 utc | 28

Ellen Knickmeyer is a truly remarkable reporter (see Nugget’s post at 12:20 AM). I don’t know of anyone who’s been so close to the action, describing it so calmly, clearly and concretely. She must the best English-language war correspondent in Iraq, and I hope she makes it out of there safe and sound.

Posted by: alabama | May 12 2005 4:31 utc | 29

From the msnbc article linked and exerpted by Nugget @ 11:17 PM:
“The Americans are drawing lines in the sand, it would seem, while Tikrit and Baghdad are bathed in blood.”
Well, for crying out loud, what does the author think we’re trying to do out there in the desert?
Wretchard at the Belmont Club has a few interesting posts on this very subject: the most recent “Hearts and Minds”; “Battle on the Syrian Border”, a few short posts beneath it; and the earlier “The Western Road” and “The River War,” linked to in the “Hearts and Minds” post.

Posted by: Pat | May 12 2005 4:59 utc | 30

Drawing lines in the sand is probably a metaphore an Iraqi — well versed on the desert — would never use.
I’ve had a little experience with “name” operations and better see it as audaciously arriving for dinner without an invitation, only to find the host has not only anticipated your arrival, but has taken the liberty of ordering you’re favorite dish — just before slipping out the back door.
Iraq is not Vietnam, but stories like the above sure bring that de-ja vu back all over again.

Posted by: anna missed | May 12 2005 5:44 utc | 31

Experts: Iraq verges on civil war
WASHINGTON — An unchastened insurgency sowed devastation across Iraq Wednesday as experts here said the country is either on the verge of civil war or already in the middle of it….
…With security experts reporting that no major road in the country was safe to travel, some Iraq specialists speculated that the Sunni insurgency was effectively encircling the capital and trying to cut it off from the north, south and west, where there are entrenched Sunni communities. East of Baghdad is a mostly unpopulated desert bordering on Iran.
“It’s just political rhetoric to say we are not in a civil war. We’ve been in a civil war for a long time,” said Pat Lang, the former top Middle East intelligence official at the Pentagon.
Other experts said Iraq is on the verge of a full-scale civil war with civilians on both sides being slaughtered. Incidents in the past two weeks south of Baghdad, with apparently retaliatory killings of Sunni and Shia civilians, point in that direction, they say.
Also of concern were media accounts that hard-line Shia militia members are being deployed to police hard-line Sunni communities such as Ramadi, east of Baghdad, which specialists on Iraq said was a recipe for disaster.
“I think we are really on the edge” of all-out civil war, said Noah Feldman, a New York University law professor who worked for the U.S. coalition in Iraq.
He said the insurgency has been “getting stronger every passing day. When the violence recedes, it is a sign that they are regrouping.” While there is a chance the current flare of violence is the insurgency’s last gasp, he said, “I have not seen any coherent evidence that we are winning against the insurgency.
Everything we thought we knew about the insurgency obviously is flawed,” said Judith Kipper of the Council on Foreign Relations. “It was quiet for a little while, and here it is back full force all over the country, and that is very dark news.”
The increased violence coincides with the approval of a new, democratic government two weeks ago. But instead of bringing the country together, the new government seems to have further alienated even moderate Sunnis who believe they have only token representation.
“That is a joke,” said Sunni politician Saad Jabouri, until recently governor of Diyala Province, in an interview here. “The only people they allowed in the government are ones who think like them,” he said of the majority Shia faction, who mostly come from Islamic parties.
Military and civilian experts said the insurgency seemed designed to outlast the patience of the American and Iraqi peoples.
I just think this Sunni thing is going to be pretty hard,” said Phebe Marr, a leading U.S. Iraq expert reached in the protected Green Zone in Baghdad. “The American public has to get its expectations down to something reasonable.
Lang said there is new evidence that Saddam Hussein’s regime carefully prepared in advance for the insurgency, with former Iraqi officers at the core of each group. They are well coordinated and have consistently adjusted their strategy, he said.
Now the 140,000-plus U.S. troops in the country are mainly “a nuisance” factor in the insurgents’ overall goal of preventing the new government from consolidating.
“They understand what the deal is here,” Lang said, “to start applying maximum pressure to the economy and the government and make sure it will not work.” Their roadside bombs are intended to keep U.S. forces inside their bases, he said.
All the while the insurgents are gaining strength, he said. “The longer they keep going on the better they will get,” said Lang, a student of military history. “The best school of war is war.”
The Sunni insurgents could win the battle if they persevere long enough to sour U.S. voters, Feldman said.
He said, “There is no evidence whatsoever that they cannot win.

Posted by: Nugget | May 12 2005 6:41 utc | 32

Pat, the Belmont Club is an interesting site. It gives us tcompelling argument, hither and yon, that the Iraqi resistance gets its food and water, so to speak, from Syria and points beyond. But it nowhere asks some other questions, namely, how large was the Iraqi military in January 2003 (500,000 men? More? Less?). How have its veterans been distributed, and how much combat had they seen?

Posted by: alabama | May 12 2005 6:43 utc | 33

the compelling argument, I meant to say…

Posted by: alabama | May 12 2005 6:46 utc | 34

some may not have seen http://antiwar.com/casualties/list.php
for a inexorable and grim list.

Posted by: theodor | May 12 2005 6:49 utc | 35

Injured Iraq veterans battle a new enemy
Even though he’s in pain every day, it doesn’t seem to occur to U.S. Army Capt. Jonathan Pruden to feel sorry for himself.
The bones in his right foot were shattered by a bomb in Iraq. He has no feeling in his left leg below the knee. He can get around on crutches, but that irritates his leg and shoulder injuries, so he spends 90% of his waking hours in a wheelchair. But if you ask him, he’ll tell you how much better off he is than the other guys.
“A lot of guys in my unit and other units are more severely injured,” he says. “They’ve lost limbs, their eyesight. Unfortunately, it seems like hundreds of guys are coming back now that are paralyzed. I’m fortunate.”

Posted by: Nugget | May 12 2005 7:03 utc | 36

I am unable to restrict my compassion to one side. It really gets to me when I see reports about the suffering of US soldiers. These kids sent to burn in hell when there were lots of other solutions (to which problems exactly?) on the table… The soldiers deserve better. The huge ideological frameworks we construct always have to be filled with people. And yes, I have heard the criticisms of such a position before.
One more reason why it gets to me: My few personal experiences with US armed forces have all been positive.

Posted by: teuton | May 12 2005 17:33 utc | 37

An unseen enemy: U.S. Marines find themselves vulnerable as they search for insurgents in desert villages of remote western Iraq
The Marines of Kilo Company were on the fourth day of an offensive against insurgents in western Iraq, but they had seen little action Wednesday until a loud boom rocked this Euphrates River village, followed by the frantic screams of young troops.
They stopped their convoy and looked back to see an amphibious vehicle engulfed in flames. They knew that about 18 Marines from Lima Company of the 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, were in the vehicle, which had apparently struck a roadside bomb.
Within minutes, the vehicle’s gas tanks exploded, setting off mortar shells, grenades, bars of C-4 plastic explosives and thousands of machine-gun rounds inside. Rockets randomly shot out of the vehicle. The explosives would crackle and thunder for the next hour.
Marines from Kilo, traveling 500 yards ahead of Lima, rushed to rescue their comrades trapped inside the burning wreck. A Times reporter traveling with Kilo Company followed them.
Some troops ran through thick, black smoke and pulled out wounded men, lining up some of them within feet of the fire.
Some of the wounded suffered third-degree burns. Seared flesh hung from their bodies. Most of the wounded had severe burns on their arms and faces. Others had shrapnel wounds. A 3-inch shard of metal protruded from one Marine’s abdomen.
Marines who survived the blast said they believed that four troops died in the vehicle. Officials on the scene and in Baghdad declined to confirm the casualty toll.
Lt. Sam McAmis, who commanded a Marine platoon in the operation, recounted trying to pull a wounded sergeant from the fire, but the man’s ammunition pouch was stuck in the vehicle’s hatch. McAmis said he yanked him out.
“When he came out, my hand was inside his leg, inside his muscle,” he said.
Another wounded man inside was not as lucky.
“One of my lance corporals went in to try to get some more people, but there was too much fire,” McAmis said. “One Marine had burns over his face. The last thing he did was reach his hand out and an explosion went off” — killing him.
Sgt. Dennis Wollard of Biloxi, Miss., who survived the explosion, sat glassy-eyed and bare-chested against a building on the edge of the field. He lamented that he couldn’t save all the men inside.
“I was at the back door,” Wollard said. “I couldn’t get ’em all. There had to be six still in there. I don’t know how they could’ve gotten out.”
Another Marine, speaking with a senior officer, held back tears. “I couldn’t get to them all, sir. It was just too hot,” he said, shaking his head.
As the Marines treated their wounded comrades, retired Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North, the Iran-Contra scandal figure, filmed the operation with a digital video recorder issued by his employer, Fox News. North, who was dressed in Marine camouflage, is traveling with Kilo Company…..
“We’re fighting an invisible enemy,” said Sgt. Jeffrey Swartzentruber of Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. “They’re like the … CIA.”

Posted by: Nugget | May 13 2005 2:56 utc | 38

Curious, that Rumsfelds recent trip to Iraq was about shoring up support for x-bathhst Allawi cia supported networks as a> hold

Posted by: anna missed | May 13 2005 9:20 utc | 39

my words got ate, link works though.

Posted by: anna missed | May 13 2005 9:22 utc | 40