Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 23, 2005
Between a Rock …

Afghanistan is going down the toilet. Karzai knows it, NATO knows it, Bush denies it.

Germany is sending more Special Forces now and Britain is planing for an emergency deployment of an additional 5,500 soldiers to Afghanistan (to be pulled from Iraq).

So today the mayor of Kabul is visiting the United States.
His requests:
– more control over what U.S. forces are doing in Afghanistan and
– more economic help for eradicating opium production.

But he is not meeting friends.

Yesterday’s Observer picked the central point:

.. he will ask America for the return of Afghan prisoners and ultimate control over US military operations.

That is unlikely. The US sees Afghanistan and the search for Osama bin Laden, who is believed to be in the border areas of Pakistan, as central to its self-proclaimed war on terror. In fact, America is keen to establish permanent military bases on Afghan soil, which could undermine Karzai’s authority and be hugely unpopular with many Afghans.

Two days before Karzai arrived in Washington the State Department leaked to the New York Times:

United States officials warned this month in an internal memo that an American-financed poppy eradication program aimed at curtailing Afghanistan’s huge heroin trade had been ineffective, in part because President Hamid Karzai

Karzai’s answer:

"The Afghan people have done their job. Now the international community must come and provide alternative livelihood to the Afghan people, which they have not done so far."

The poppies production is of course undermining the state. But eradicating it by spraying the crops and those who grow them, like the U.S. would like to do, will undermine the state even more. Last November reports about spraying and spraying casualties popped up, but the U.S. and Britain denied, implausible, any responsibility.

Bush today also denied Karzai any right to restrict U.S. military action. So what is that poor guy to do?

Karzai denies article prompted riots

"These demonstrations were in reality not related to the Newsweek story, "he said at a joint press conference held after a meeting with President George W. Bush. ..

His comments contrast with those of White House officials who have forcefully condemned the Newsweek report that claimed a Koran had been flushed down a toilet by interrogators in Guantanamo Bay, and have suggested it helped trigger the riots.

Now Karzai and Bush pick on each other, the later denying the former any of the standing he needs to keep the little authority he has, while Afghanistan retards into a narco state and the Taliban are victorious enough to entice emergency moves in London and Berlin.

Prediction: A year from now, Karzai will neither live in Washington nor in Kabul.

Comments

It’s all unwinding now; as we all predicted it would.
Another 911 is needed; and even that will be seen through.

Posted by: Friendly Fire | May 23 2005 21:00 utc | 1

Another 911 is needed; and even that will be seen through.
it will be bigger and better consealed

Posted by: b | May 23 2005 21:12 utc | 2

OK b, let’s make this a tin foil hat prediction:
My new 911 is:
London no:
Paris no:
Berlin no:
Tel Aviv: Yes

Posted by: Friendly Fire | May 23 2005 21:26 utc | 3

@FF –
how a bout a mega church in Texas on a sunny Sunday morning? Live on TV? Some gas that can only have been produced in Iran or Syria or wherever, as experts testify? Or the roof coming down by a North Korean bomb?

Posted by: b | May 23 2005 21:37 utc | 4

Their web of lies and deceit are melting in the focus of truth’s light. Keep on shining all.

Posted by: Juannie | May 23 2005 21:38 utc | 5

how a bout a….
How about scaring the holy beJesus out of them by helping to increase the awareness of the masses to their malfeasance.

Posted by: Juannie | May 23 2005 21:45 utc | 6

holden has some nice takes form todays gaggle (daily WH press feed):

Q Scott, two questions; one on Afghanistan. The President said that — during the press conference that he was very happy to see that Afghanistan is no longer safe haven for terrorists. My question is that we still live under the fear of terrorism, and we are at the war against terrorism or on terrorism, but where are those terrorists that we are still afraid of and where they come from, where are they striking from?
MR. McCLELLAN: Where are they coming from?
Q Yes, where are they — if they are not in Afghanistan —
MR. McCLELLAN: We are pursuing them wherever they are, and we will continue to do so. [Blah-bitty-blah, global war on terra, blah.]

Partnership, Ameircan-style.
Q Scott, President Karzai before today has said that he wants — he says it’s time for Afghanistan to establish some control over the operations of U.S. and coalition forces in their country. In particular, he talked about when U.S. forces raided specific homes of individual Afghani citizens. Today, the President said that he would — the United States would work in partnership with Afghanistan. And in the joint declaration on the partnership, it says “the U.S. and coalition forces are to continue to have the freedom of action required to conduct appropriate military operations based on consultations and” prearranged procedures — “pre-agreed procedures.”
MR. McCLELLAN: Right.
Q It does sound as if one partner is going to have most of the say here.
MR. McCLELLAN: No, I think it’s consistent with what we do around the world when we have troops in sovereign countries.
[snip]
Q Where else does the United States insist on having the freedom of action to conduct appropriate military actions?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think any time that our troops are going to be fired upon, they’re going to be able to defend themselves. That’s always been the way it is. But as it says in the document that you cited, it says that it’s based on the consultations and agreements with the government of Afghanistan. And that’s the way it is in other places, as well.
Q But, Scott, the United States — must the United States be fired upon in Afghanistan before it can decide to take action?
MR. McCLELLAN: You might want to talk to the military about this, they’ve have discussions and they will continue to have discussions with the government of Afghanistan about those arrangements.
[snip]
Q So is this true in Germany?
MR. McCLELLAN: I’m sorry?
Q Is this true in Germany, where we have troops also? Would the United States be able to act after it had consulted — whatever the —
MR. McCLELLAN: We have agreements with the government of Germany on our troops being in their country, as well.

Posted by: b | May 23 2005 21:50 utc | 7

The confused look on Karzai’s face, as Bush was insisting in their joint press conference that everything was improving/we are winning etc, was priceless.

Posted by: gylangirl | May 24 2005 0:46 utc | 8

The BBC reports that Bush has told Karzai that no, US troops will answer to himself, that is Bush as CIC, in Afghanistan and that he, Bush, will keep the Afghans imprisoned by Americans in Afghanistan under American control.
The AFP reports that Bush had Karzai sign on to a long-term occupation of Afghanistan by American forces.
Karzai had better stay in Washington. He will surely be murdered as a traitor if he returns to Afghanistan.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | May 24 2005 2:28 utc | 9

Duelling Poets –

And I can’t help but wonder, now Willie McBride,
Do all those who lie here know why they died?
Did you really believe them when they told you “The Cause?”
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
Well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame,
The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
For Willie McBride, it all happened again,
And again, and again, and again, and again
Eric Bogle

It wasn’t for King or for England I died,
It wasn’t for glory or old Empire’s pride.
The reason I went was both simple and clear:
To stand up for freedom, did I volunteer.
It’s easy for you to look back and sigh,
And pity the youth of those days long gone by,
For us who were there, we knew why we died,
And I’d do it again, says Willie McBride.
Stephen L. Suffett

Different war/conflict, yet 90 years on, youth, innocence and innocents still bear the greatest burden …

Posted by: Outraged | May 24 2005 9:21 utc | 10

The UK-led deployment to Iraq isn’t secret or an emergency move at all – it’s been on the cards since last autumn. It’s the NATO ARRC with the UK as Framework Nation, including 60% of the HQ, many signals and support units, and one brigade. More manoeuvre units from other Nato members will join.

Posted by: Alex | May 24 2005 10:12 utc | 11

Kipling, 1918.

Posted by: gylangirl | May 24 2005 18:15 utc | 12

@Alex – The UK-led deployment to Iraq isn’t secret
Iraq? The Scotsman report said Afghanistan.

Posted by: b | May 24 2005 18:45 utc | 13