Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 30, 2005
What would I do?

According to this report there is still no local government formed in the Kurdish provinces in northern Iraq. The election for a local parliament and government were held together with the central election at the end of January.

Four month later, the autocratic leaders of the two main Kurdish parties are still fighting about the choice for and role of a regional president. The elected members of the regional parliament have yet to meet.

Meanwhile the U.S. occupation forces are arresting important party leaders without warrants and even without informing their puppet governments and breaking the laws they themselves imposed on the Iraqi people. Oops… Riverbend comments.

The turnout of the January election showed some enthusiasm for ‘democracy’. But by now, that enthusiasm must have changed to sarcasm. The government that took month to form can not deliver any basic service. There is no security from car bombs, planted by who-knows, and no security from arbitrary arrest and mishandling through U.S. troops. The electricity situation is worse than at the begin of the occupation. Water, when available, is not clean and a cholera epidemic is developing. There are no jobs other than in the highly dangerous security business.

Dahr Jamail reports, that "Things are getting worse by the day."

Zarqawi, the current Goldstein of the Iraq war, is either in Syria, in Iran, in Iraq, in Eurasia or Oceania, wounded or well. It does not matter as long as the last rumor is taking up space in the newspapers and airtime that could otherwise be used to report what is really happening in Iraq.

I am hopelessly frustrated by just reading the news. If I would be an Iraqi – no matter if I were Shia or Sunni or secular – no matter of being Arab or Kurd, jobless, my children hungry and ill with cholera, my parents suffering from the heat. What would I do? What would You do?

Comments

I don’t know what you can say to this ongoing string of war crimes.
I framed billmon’s ersatz picture of the Anglo-American War Crime Tribunal at the Hague. Not that I want to see these guys swinging at the end of a rope. But there is a lot to be said for Gerhardt Schroeder’s refusal to join the Likudnikons’ Iraqi “adventure” and the backing he got from the German people.
Contrast that with us Americans who fell all over each other in a paroxysm of patriotic lunacy on command, like the Lippizaner stallions when their master sounds the horn.
We need a memorial to our mistakes. Vietnam was never absorbed for what it was. It was much worse than the “defeat” that still propels the Swift Boat Veterans.
We need a public spectacle wherein the world reads out our crimes, for they’re no one else’s, and where we are forced to acknowledge that yes that is truly monstrous, and yes we are responsible.
After a generation with our hats in our hands, like the Germans, after a generation of picking up unexploded ordnance that’s still murdering and maiming the very old and the very young in Lao and Cambodia to this day, after a generation trying to undo the monstrous genetic damage we’ve done with agent orange in Vietnam and depleted uranium in Iraq, after a generation perhaps the next time some two-bit swindlers deal themselves into power and try to start another war for “freedom” and “democracy”, maybe then we’ll refuse to go along, as the Germans refused to go along this time.

Posted by: John Francis Lee | May 31 2005 10:53 utc | 1

.. I want to see these guys swinging at the end of a rope.
And if it was Blair, I’d personally pull the lever.
Why is it that we should be so charitable to mass-murderers?
As for Blair, after the war to end all wars, and after the death and destruction of WWII, for this little schmuck to so ignominiously lie, cheat and cajole the stupids of Britain to a new imperial war, is treason. He should swing.

Posted by: DM | May 31 2005 11:09 utc | 2

Democracy in Iraq? The Neocons made a desert and called it peace!

Posted by: Diogenes | May 31 2005 11:38 utc | 3

Well I hate to be a wet blanket but the germans only stopped after they were invaded, occuppied and humiliated. It would be great if that won’t be necessary for the US or any other country but it seems to be what history teaches us. Who knows? On bad days one can think that most US citizens owe BushoCo big. After all he could have said listen you lot either we go and grab some more cheap oil that the French, Germans and Russians have first dibs on or the whole lot of you are going to be tipped out of your comfort zones. There would have been consternation hand wringing and gnashing of teeth but the result would have been exactly the same.
Maybe people haven’t become that selfish and isolated from each other that that could happen or maybe like humans everywhere ppl in the US would try and have their cake and eat it, gnash away then change government n pull the troops out leaving a terible mess but still have access to the oil. Which probably wouldn’t work anyhow so BushCo lied out of self preservation rather than wanting to protect the people from confronting the truth about themselves.
This is a bad one (and yeah it’s easy to feel like a black crow cawin on a telegraph line sayin this) really it’s not going to end until a lot more people many US but probably mainly Iraquis die.
Perhaps enough people in the US will think outside of the square to prevent that tho they can’t be like generals basing this fight on the last war. In other words whatever happened with Vietnam probably won’t fix this because the greedheads running this scam are prepared for that as they have shown time and time again.
I don’t know cause if I go to Kos or somewhere like that even those who think that the Iraq invasion was bad still tend to mouth the same jingoistic claptrap.
The Galloway thing was a classic example the debate quickly degenerated into what Galloway meant when he once said that the destruction of the soviet empire was bad or somesuch.
Exactly the same red herrings that the paid lackeys of BushCo on LGF come up with when anyone criticises the empire. So know nothing is true unless the source is immaculate. Oh no one is immaculate so nothing is true?

Posted by: Debs is dead | May 31 2005 11:39 utc | 4

Hey, Dick Cheney says the “terrorists” are the throes of defeat on Memorial Day, he thinks that Amnesty International sucks, the Governor of Al Anbar province is dead. This is just a fucked up world.
ooooooooooohhhhhhhh it’s not, Bob, (Saint Bob) that is, is doing a Band Eight (coincide with the G8 conference) concert in Hyde Park that helps Blair’s plan for Africa.
I’d probably be arrested if I said this on Hyde Park Corner…. “But how much fucking money is Blair paying Geldof for this shitty geriatrics concert that the fucking Murdoch media and the BBC so love?”

Posted by: Friendly Fire | May 31 2005 12:54 utc | 5

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after a generation trying to undo the monstrous genetic damage we’ve done with agent orange in Vietnam and depleted uranium in Iraq
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Hey you forgot depleted uranium in Serbia…and you forgot a lot more places that suffered because you had some business there…and consequently crime had to be done…
I am not going to see justice (it’s still not that fast) but it will come…one way or another…I even believe it will be “self-inflicted” (the same way of life you cherish that much will destroy you) and generations of Americans that will suffer then may not be aware of the reason why…
That’s what I believe.
Then I may be wrong…I may see it in my life time…I’ve seen some “unbelievable” things in my life…ha-ha

Posted by: vbo | May 31 2005 13:48 utc | 6

i expect nothing less than lies (outright or through ommission) from newspapers. i expect nothing less than lies from those who call themselves leaders. this is the way we have allowed our western cultures to develop, creating false nation-states, illusory in the trappings of community, delusions of civility. the idea of “democracy” is being soiled these days, as well it should. immobilized in a web of lies and delusion, prey to those who spin. it is foreboding that there is no unified global alliance w/ the iraqi resistance. more than 100 million direct victims of war in the 20th century. we’re not off to a good start for the 21st. sovereignty and human rights should be defended at all costs. what we do to other’s children, they will surely do to ours.

Posted by: b real | May 31 2005 15:33 utc | 7

It’s a bit foolish to try to predict the future, but it’s not unreasonable to assume that, sooner or later, there will be other successful 9/11-type strikes inside the United States.
This, I think, is the biggest Joker in the deck. Even Bushco may realize on some level or other that they need such a strike to further consolidate their power.
As long as we breed enemies and plutonium, it seems inevitable anyway.
Obviously, I don’t know what form such a strike will take – it could range from low-tech IRA-like bombings or suicide bombers to something more grand, involving dirty bombs or even nuclear explosion a la 24 — as hard as that may be to achieve, surely it’s not entirely impossible.
I believe that the US will then respond in kind, and I think the probabilities of a limited nuclear strike (using tactical nukes or so-called bunker-busters) is actually fairly high.
Taking into account the economy, the looming energy crisis and the political divide, I don’t think the US can make it in its present form. Massive changes are on the way.
As you know, the model that strikes me as the most likely to apply to the US is the Fall of the USSR — primrily because bothy countries suffer from the same problems.
Best case scenario: a “smooth” Brezhnev/Andropov/Gorbachev transition (Kerry was arguably a Gorbachev figure without the charisma); worst case scenario: a nukular nightmare (see above).
I doubt the present American nomenklatura will suffer any more than the Russian one did in the transition, KGB officers et al. will go on, The Roaches will be with us forever.
(I do hope however that a few of them will be assassinated along the way.)
I’ll end this by saying that Iraq no longer matters (on a geopolitical scale). The harm is done, the plane is plumetting down, we’re on autopilot now.
If this was SIMEARTH you’d come to the conclusion you’re fucked and there is very little you can actually do at this stage (within realistic settings)that would save your planet.
As I have said before, like Asimov’s Hari Seldon, we must now think beyond the inevitable collapse of the Empire and plan the transition beyond.

Posted by: Lupin | May 31 2005 16:41 utc | 8

I guess I am a kind of fair-weather guy. I doubt that I would fare well in any post-industrial dog-eat-dog scenario like the evolving mess in Iraq.
But then, maybe I’ll have a chance to surprise myself. Converts have always been among the keenest adherents of any faith. Now, if I could get myself to believe in the capitalist survival of the fittest…

Posted by: teuton | May 31 2005 19:15 utc | 9

@Lupin – Obviously, I don’t know what form such a strike will take – it could range from low-tech IRA-like bombings or suicide bombers to something more grand, involving dirty bombs or even nuclear explosion a la 24 — as hard as that may be to achieve, surely it’s not entirely impossible.
A “dirty” bomb in a Colorado Springs church will be sufficient. Just make sure there are enough cameras around and it has a “Made in Iran” tag. The rest will easy.
I’ll end this by saying that Iraq no longer matters (on a geopolitical scale).
It does matter as it binds the hands of US ground forces and management capacity. Perle pushing for an Iran attack at the recent AIPAC meeting (and getting extensive applause) will get this done, but without ground forces and allies it is a really huge problem for the military.

Posted by: b | May 31 2005 19:41 utc | 10

What would I do?
I don’t know exactly, my attempts over the past few years of imagining the despair of an avarage Iraqi have always come up short.
I’d stay away from any gathering of Iraqi Defense forces, US troops or police.
I’d stay clear of the green zone where I predict that, sometime soon, something unusual (even for Iraq) will explode or be released.

Posted by: biklett | May 31 2005 21:21 utc | 11

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I’ll end this by saying that Iraq no longer matters (on a geopolitical scale)
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I agree. They can only “shock and awe” world for some time. Then world just get used to it (no matter how shocking and terrific it could continue to be”).
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But without ground forces and allies it is a really huge problem for the military.
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I don’t know exactly why but I am under impression that they are aware of the fact that ground forces in Iran wouldn’t be exactly excellent idea. Iran is not Iraq…in any sense. They will break their teeth if they try anything similar. They may go for air strikes or nuke but that’s not good enough for what they want to accomplish . I don’t think even Bushco will do anything like that just for pleasure cause that would be the case with air strikes and nuke. What exactly would be accomplished with air strikes or God forbid nuke? They would need specific demand and also realistic one. Like they had about Kosovo. If they said they want to occupy Serbia at the time they would have to bomb it to the dust and no signing of any document by anyone would help. If they came with ground forces it would be much worse then Iraq.
Actually they (USA) are occupying silently as we speak…All those “ democratic” orange and other blah blah “revolutions”…Georgia the other day (Russians are out USA is already in)…Palestinian “government” suddenly in Washington ( all tho they had to kill Arafat first )… Empire is expanding and they’ll definitely need much more solders soon to fill all those military bases around the globe. No I don’t think they can count on “domestic solders” and police for long time… or those puppet governments they installed…things will become visible sooner or later for all those nations…
We can only watch…

Posted by: vbo | Jun 1 2005 5:52 utc | 12

No government in Kurdish provinces!? Can we send the libertarians there? Sounds like a paradise for them.

Posted by: Zelph | Jun 1 2005 17:30 utc | 13

That is a great expression vbo – “They will break their teeth…”
None of this stuff is rational; thats what gets my knickers in a twist. But they do it anyway…

Posted by: rapt | Jun 1 2005 18:04 utc | 14

The Case of Pablo Paredes

And then the judge said, “I believe the government has just successfully proved that any seaman recruit has reasonable cause to believe that the wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq were illegal.”

Posted by: beq | Jun 1 2005 19:15 utc | 15

That is excellent news beq. Definitely worth a read.

Posted by: rapt | Jun 1 2005 21:30 utc | 16