II. Under the Spreading Chestnut Tree
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I. In the land of Pinocchio: Liar Liar, Pope on Fire
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April 21, 2005
Billmon: 04/21
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I haven’t followed this too much, but the cardinal’s past words, and reactions to events are interesting to say the least.
Thanks for bringing up these choice words and reactions, Billmon.
Now I understand fully the animosity to this pope.
Posted by: FlashHarry | Apr 21 2005 18:52 utc | 1
okay i am catholic. what i find offensive about the boys in red waterdown silk is that they are marketing their special relationship’ with that abstract idea of divinity. in this case the same ole what guy in heaven.
all these white guys like bush with that ‘specail’ relationship with the divine one.
hmmm. i would rather no subscribe. than the whole charade ends. poof, black or white smoke you guys are transparent.
like america the vatican is loosing its grip on the more spohisticated hummans on the planet. i mean the non kiool-aid drinking catholics those cursed liberal ones. sophisticated in the sense that they will hold their money from the eager paws of the divine prelates. not so sophisticated the masses in latin america and africa.
ratzo was a nazi, fact. either against his young will or not. pope pius ix was in bed with the 3 rd reich. okay excommuncate me. cannot be any worse than what these christians are doing in gitmo.
Posted by: cather bashing | Apr 21 2005 22:04 utc | 3
ratzo was a nazi, fact. either against his young will or not
I don´t like the guy, but a mandatory membership at the age of fourteen doesn´t make a nazi.
Isn’t the disturbing part that the POPE somehow doesn’t seem to have ever said to himself, “I wish I could go back to 14 year old me and instill in 14 year-old J. Ratz the knowledge that it would be better for me not to join the Nazis”?
I’d be happy to hear if he ever decided that he HAD had a choice at 14. But so far, all I hear is that the Pope is a man who believes in rendering unto Caesar what is NOT Caesar’s.
Posted by: citizen | Apr 21 2005 22:37 utc | 5
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for me – as i pointed out in another post – it is curious that these two poets are from countries that made exterminatory anti-semitism public policy & public acts
the real question for me is why have they not chosen a pope from their suffering masses – or at least a symbol of those masses – either from latin america or africa where there are good candidates for the post
it in fact exposes the lie of it being a dynamic & living organisation – it is on the contrary moribund & to the degree that faith has little to do with the soul – morose
Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 21 2005 22:54 utc | 6
ratzo was a nazi, fact. either against his young will or not
I don´t like the guy, but a mandatory membership at the age of fourteen doesn´t make a nazi.
i can sympathize, the choice between death and being a hitler youth is a tough one … but a man who chose hitler youth in that situation simply should not be the pope.
pudentella wrote at max speak:
Ah, you will say, but he was only a youth and the law required all German youths to be Hitler youths – true: and the Catholic Church has a long tradition of men and women who confronted evil, often at the price of their own lives, even when rulers and the law of the land supported evil. When men and women face such profound and difficult tests, and fail them, and still remain comfortable imposing their flawed moral vision upon others – it is time to be concerned.
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Why do people need a pope, or even religion? The pope, or any supposed holy man or institution has only the authority given by the people. I’ll never understand why they give their consent to these sources to be ruled so easily.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 22 2005 3:23 utc | 8
the Catholic Church has a long tradition of men and women who confronted evil, often at the price of their own lives, even when rulers and the law of the land supported evil.
One can be more much specific — and on point:
The first “members” of the group included Hans, Alex and Jürgen Wittenstein. Soon they were joined by Christoph Probst, a level-headed, married soldier and father of three who was loved by everyone who knew him. Willi Graf was also a medical student and a devout Catholic who, despite the urging of friends and schoolmates, never joined the Hitler Youth and refused to acknowledge those who did.
The White Rose
http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/
May their memory last a thousand years . . .
Posted by: Billmon | Apr 22 2005 15:44 utc | 10
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The White Rose
the White Rose
May their memory last a thousand years . . .
Posted by: Billmon | April 22, 2005 11:44 AM |
very cool,Billmon.tx
the expansion of the subject on your board is too cool;
fund managers apparently have mucho down time;
perhaps even more when the bear comes;lucky
for us…
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Ratzinger/Benedikt makes me think of Mr Burns in the Simpsons — a repressive and mean spirit in the body of decrepit old white man. When he smiled, and did his little victory dance, it was terrifying. The only compensation is that he can’t be up to more than 5 or 10 years more.
Posted by: ARUAC | Apr 22 2005 22:46 utc | 12