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March 4, 2005
Semi-Directed Open Thread
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If you are in the United States and happen to come near LA, Chicago or Cleveland you definitly should look at the exhibition Bodyworlds.
Take your kids too. I saw it twice and it is incredible to learn about the body in this way. The kids were totally amazed.
There are only few pictures of the official site, but Google has some. If you feeling too lifeless to reach the show as a visitor, you may donate your body.

Posted by: b | Mar 4 2005 16:36 utc | 1

If you’d bothered to read the article you would have learned that under Pakistani law honor killing is “murder punishable with death.”
Maybe you’d like to amend the post.

Posted by: jr | Mar 4 2005 16:44 utc | 2

b, I agree with you it was impressiv, I saw it too and can only recommend it. However there were of discussion in the newspapers as some people felt offended. Though I never quiet could understand why. But maybe because it was not new to me, having worked a few months at the Anatomical Institute of the local University during my studies.

Posted by: Fran | Mar 4 2005 16:49 utc | 3

@ b,Fran: I you saw anything you hadn’t seen before, you wouldn’t recognize it anyway. 😉

Posted by: beq | Mar 4 2005 17:10 utc | 4

Thanks beq. 😛

Posted by: Fran | Mar 4 2005 17:34 utc | 5

So this is what candid reporting looks like these days:

SBU spokeswoman Marina Ostapenko said on Friday by telephone that Kravchenko’s body had been found at his country house near Kiev.
A team of investigators was on its way to the site and a preliminary investigation pointed to suicide, she said.
Kravchenko, who was interior minister at the time of Gongadze’s murder in 2000, had been due to give evidence on Friday to prosecutors in connection with the case.
President Viktor Yushchenko said this week that Gongadze’s murder had been solved.

I see…

Posted by: Citizen | Mar 4 2005 18:02 utc | 6

Don’t know yet where to go for your next vacation? Well here is an idea, from the NYT.
THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ: ENTREPRENEURSHIP; Iraqi Businessman Sees War-Ravaged Country as a Potential Tourist Attraction

”You’ve got all the ingredients,” Mr. Hindo said, pointing excitedly at a large map of Iraq on the wall in his spacious offices off Karrada Street. ”People still think of this as the birthplace of civilization. You’ve got Babylon and Nineveh, and near Ur you’ve got the site of the garden of Eden.”
Mr. Hindo, a 55-year-old entrepreneur, does not just want to lure history buffs. He envisions package tours, four-star hotels and resorts, American families cruising in minivans down new superhighways, water-skiing, maybe even a Disneyland on Lake Habbaniya. Religious tourists will flock to see where Job and Jonas died, or to the Muslim holy cities Najaf and Karbala.
”They will kiss the shrines and they will spend,” he said with a smile, tapping the map and kissing his fingers.

Well, wow, imagine going to a Disneyland in Iraq! I also liked the following assement of Iraq by Mr. Hindo.

”You know why people get politicized here?” he asked, eyebrows rising impishly. ”They lack entertainment.”

I guess Disneyland would solve that problem. But of course he wants to be on the safe side.

Like any good businessman, Mr. Hindo is hedging his bets: he has founded a private security company and is training 1,200 guards.

After the war, it would have been easy to go back to importing liquor, Mr. Hindo said. But tourism gives him a chance to be a pioneer.

Mr. Hindo plans to begin by offering three basic tour options, all starting in the southern city Basra, which has a working airport. The two-day tour will focus on the ancient city of Ur. The four-day tour will extend into the center of Iraq, including Najaf and Karbala. The weeklong tour will go north into what was once Nineveh and the kingdom of Assyria.
”In the north, there are beautiful lakes that have never been used,” Mr. Hindo said, his finger tracing a line on the map. ”In the south, there are the marshlands. Saddam dried them up, but once you put water through it will be a Middle Eastern Venice.”
To help make his point, he took a reporter to see the ruins of a Babylonian building in eastern Baghdad.
Emerging from his sport utility vehicle, Mr. Hindo led the way into a wide field littered with trash. Gunshots rang out on the edge of the field, but Mr. Hindo was undeterred.

Well, and you do not only get Disneyland, you also get the real thing, not just make believe gunshots, but real ones. So yeeeeeephy, lots go and have fun.

Posted by: Fran | Mar 4 2005 18:24 utc | 7

After the war, it would have been easy to go back to importing liquor, Mr. Hindo said.

Except for the Mahdi army forcefully closing down the liquorshops, which might cause a shortage of customers.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 4 2005 18:29 utc | 8

This story didn´t any echo in the press and blog world until now. I wonder why.
‘Brooklyn’s Abu Ghraib’

Defense attorneys call it Brooklyn’s Abu Ghraib. On the ninth floor of the federal Metropolitan Detention Center in Sunset Park, terrorism suspects swept off the streets after the Sept. 11 attacks were repeatedly stripped naked and frequently were physically abused, the Justice Department’s inspector general has found.
The detainees – none of whom were ultimately charged with anything related to terrorism – alleged in sworn affidavits and in interviews with Justice Department officials that correction officers:
# Humiliated them by making fun of – and sometimes painfully squeezing – their genitals.
# Deprived them of regular sleep for weeks or months.
# Shackled their hands and feet before smashing them repeatedly face-first into concrete walls – within sight of the Statue of Liberty.
# Forced them in winter to stand outdoors at dawn while dressed in light cotton prison garb and no shoes, sometimes for hours.

The Justice Department’s inspector general has substantiated some of the prisoners’ allegations – and some incidents were captured on videotape. But the Justice Department has declined to prosecute any federal correction officer at MDC.

None of the inmates who spoke to The News said they were ever asked to testify. All said they were ready to do so.
“It’s a whitewash,” said Steven Leegan, an attorney for Indian Muslim inmate Mohammed Jaweed Azmat. “This was a mini-Abu Ghraib in Brooklyn.”
In fact, “It was worse,” he said, “because these were not guardsmen thrown together but supposedly highly trained federal corrections officers doing the same thing long before we sent troops into Iraq.”

Welcome to America!

Posted by: b | Mar 4 2005 19:25 utc | 9

Well, this is exactly why I hate businessmen and business as a whole.
Citizen: With the recent “accidental death” of the Georgian PM, it seems like political (in)convenient deaths follow rapidly a US-backed peaceful regime change, just as much as they follow the violent invasion-imposed ones.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Mar 4 2005 19:27 utc | 10

it’s disgusting what makes the business press. some call them entrepreneur’s, other’s recognize it as exploitation, but if there is one positive from that nyt article, i think mr. hindo just increased the size of the bullseye on his back…
democracy now aired some good coverage on brooklyn’s “abu ghraib” this past tuesday. (transcript included)

Posted by: b real | Mar 4 2005 19:40 utc | 11

Hat tip to bartcop.com here on another key story:
Judge, Lawyer on Saddam Tribunal Killed

The Iraqi Special Tribunal was set up in late 2003 after Saddam was toppled. But after five potential candidates were killed, some judges declined calls to work at the court. At least half of the tribunal’s budget has gone to security.
Tuesday’s slayings were unlikely to have any impact on the trial process.

Remember that scene in Miracle on 34th Street where Judge Choppelas is about to rule on Kris Kringle’s identity and the newspaper headlines flash thorugh his head – “Judge Rules There is No Santa Claus”? Does anyone have the transcript?

Posted by: Citizen | Mar 4 2005 20:13 utc | 12

Italian hostage released and then shot by US troops. Italian intelligence officer killed. Link.

Posted by: beq | Mar 4 2005 20:38 utc | 13

Still wining hearts and minds!?
Freed Journalist Fired on by U.S. Troops

ROME – A freed Italian hostage was injured and an Italian intelligence officer killed Friday after a U.S. armored vehicle fired on a car in which they were riding in Iraq (news – web sites), Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said.
Berlusconi, an ally of the United States who has kept troops in Iraq despite public opposition at home, said he has asked the U.S. ambassador for an explanation.
“Given that the fire came from an American source I called in the American ambassador,” Berlusconi told reporters. “I believe we must have an explanation for such a serious incident, for which someone must take the responsibility.”

Posted by: Fran | Mar 4 2005 20:41 utc | 14

Sorry beq, didn’t see that you already postet the story.

Posted by: Fran | Mar 4 2005 20:44 utc | 15

wouldn’t have anything to do w/ the fact that she writes for a leftist paper, would it? someone get eason jordan on the phone…

Posted by: b real | Mar 4 2005 21:10 utc | 16

i imagine it has everything to do with the fact that she writes for a ‘communist’ newspaper that does not mince its words in its opposition to this criminal war
of course it could be another in a line of thousands of incompetences that have caused the deaths of innocent people but we know now that it is standard operation procedure
the americans have murdered & i use the word advisedly many many journalists in iraq – it is being done intentionally as the murders of al jazeera staffers make perfectly clear
it is not new – wherever us imperialism establishes its reign whether it be indonesia, phillipines south east asia, greece & latin america – the murders of journalists, writers & commentators follow as night follow day
how anyone in sane mind could defend the presence of this evil & criminal force in the middle east is beyond me
but what is clear – that the innate rascism within the american character comes up trumps – because for the so called ‘press’ in america the death of their colleagues does not matter at all – it interests them no in the least
they safely scream from behind their desks squealing like overfed pigs at the trough & they discredit as they do in so many ways – whatever honour remains in that occupation

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 4 2005 21:39 utc | 17

innate rascism within the american character
Ouch.
c’mon. take that back.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 4 2005 23:17 utc | 18

take it back, rgiap.

Posted by: slothrop | Mar 4 2005 23:20 utc | 19

What could be more racist than the concept that “racism” is “innate”?

Posted by: alabama | Mar 4 2005 23:45 utc | 20

upps – before you start beating each other
inate can be:
1 : existing in, belonging to, or determined by factors present in an individual from birth : NATIVE, INBORN
2 : belonging to the essential nature of something : INHERENT
3 : originating in or derived from the mind or the constitution of the intellect rather than from experience
I checked the German translations too which also has three distinguished meanings and I do think r’giap (not a native english speaker as far as I know) was applying the 3: definition.
Sometimes please give us foreigners just some slack on the precise use of the english/american language.

Posted by: b | Mar 5 2005 0:10 utc | 21

slothrop
langston hughes,jack johnson, w e dubois, paul robeson, richard wright, james baldwin (concisely & eloquently), malcolm x, john edgar weidemann articulate this more justly than i do
& franz fanon undestodd it perfectly

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 5 2005 0:15 utc | 22

& slothrop
in your appreciatioon of strauss – do not forget that he comes from a lineage -intellectually – that connects in a far realer way with the german historian & think er of the 19th century heinrich von treitschke – there is an adoration of authority in strauss that can be read in the five tomed history of germany by treitschke & a thinker whom i have an enormous ambivalence, hannah arentdt herself had an enormous ambivalence towards strauss on precisemy those grounds
yes strauss wrote well but so did ernst junger & that doesn’tt make his ideas any more attractive

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 5 2005 0:23 utc | 23

Am I to suppose, b, that angeboren is a word of no particular importance to someone who subscribes to racist theories?

Posted by: alabama | Mar 5 2005 0:37 utc | 24

Innate in German could also be (by reverse translation) imminant, peculiar, inherited plus several other meanings. I am not sure what r’giap intended or not with his use of “innate”. He may want to explain that further or he not – whatever.
I want to warn from taking such words as pinpoints when different languages are involved. I did fall into that trap on some occasions and it didn´t prove usefull to do so.
I once said “I will cry if they win” and did mean I would like them winning but some stupit folks thought this to be offensive against that team. It was not – they beat me up anyhow.

Posted by: b | Mar 5 2005 1:02 utc | 25

When it comes to languages, b, I trust I’m the very soul of mercy. And how could I wish it otherwise? My German is very weak, my French is rather weak, my Italian usually non-existent, and my Spanish comes and goes with the weather (all other languages, alas, being little more than rumors). And of course my mother tongue is nothing but trouble….English–a cruel language!

Posted by: alabama | Mar 5 2005 1:22 utc | 26

b
i think it can be taken as read that you interpreted the ‘innate’ in the way it was intended

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 5 2005 1:35 utc | 27

My prof used to explain that Society was the inside of the individual, from birth and even before birth. Thinking about language, body weight, immunities, and etc. convinced me. On eof my favorite philosophers expressed it as being like drawing up th elines on a Go board. Once drawn, who will play by other maps?
What I like about it all is that it makes so clear the responsibility on politicians to make sense. And If I could remember anything tonight, I could show you where I imagine r’giap expressed this “innate” problem nicely in the HST thread – our grounding to the earth which constitutes our sanity.

Posted by: Citizen | Mar 5 2005 6:19 utc | 28

This could get nasty:
Turkey deploys 1,357 troops in Northern Iraq

ANKARA, March 3 (Xinhuanet) — Turkey has deployed 1,357 military personnel in northern Iraq to fight against members of the outlawed Kurdish Workers’ Party (PKK), said Turkish National Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul on Thursday.
Gonul was quoted by semi-official Anatolia News Agency as saying, “Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) have deployed 1,357 personnel in northern Iraq to fight against the PKK, gather information regarding the developments in the region and work as liaison officers under US forces in Kirkuk, Mosul and Tal Afar.”

Posted by: b | Mar 5 2005 12:21 utc | 29

Thanks for the Turkish post, b. I saw this yesterday and was alarmed about the implications, but I’ve seen or heard nothing about it. Did they send their troops into Iraq with U.S./Iraqi permission, or at least advance knowledge? Is their credible evidence of PKK activity in N. Iraq? Are the Pesh Merga supporting the PKK? Many unanswered questions. Also, is this somehow part of an effort to pressure the Iraqi Kurds during the ongoing efforts to form a government there?

Posted by: Maxcrat | Mar 5 2005 13:19 utc | 30

Mr Kravchenko was found with two gunshot wounds, in his country house in the early hours of the morning.
This is quite a bit different from the suicide mentioned in Bernhard’s link. This guy must have been truly despondent to shoot himself twice…
These dark actors playing games mentioned around the time of the David Kelly “suicide” are sure keeping busy.

Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 5 2005 15:06 utc | 31

alabama, I wish I had only a fraction of the elegance with which you combat your ‘lingustic troubles’.

Posted by: teuton | Mar 5 2005 15:11 utc | 32

@b
i too have wondered why Brooklyn Abu Grahib has not received more attention. same with jane mayer’s excellent article in the new yorker, now on truth out, on u.s. renditions, “the new paradigm.” should be required reading for every member of congress. sorry still haven’t figured out to link properly, bu this is the url: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/020905M.shtml

Posted by: conchita | Mar 5 2005 16:29 utc | 33

Why do I read this on a Chinese website?
90 Iraqi weapons inspection sites looted or razed: UN

UNITED NATIONS, March 4 (Xinhuanet) — About 90 sites in Iraq containing dual-use equipment and materials that can be used for either peaceful ends or acquiring weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) have been looted or razed, a UN panel said on Friday.
In its latest quarterly report to the Security Council, the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) reached the conclusion based on continuing examination of high-resolution satellite imagery from sites that were subject to monitoring.
UNMOVIC has been in charge of searching for Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and verifying their destruction. It withdrew from Iraq ahead of the US-led invasion into the country two years ago and has since been barred from returning by Washington.
“As part of the examination and analysis, experts have determined that approximately 70 of the sites were subjected to varying degrees of bomb damage,” the report said.
“The continuing examination of site imagery has revealed that approximately 90 of the total 353 sites analyzed containing equipment and materials of relevance have been stripped and/or razed,” it added.

Posted by: b | Mar 5 2005 17:17 utc | 34

racism is most definately innate, inherent & highly institutionalized in the american character. this is hardly a controversial point to make. same goes for many of the other “civilized” nations, though i doubt there are many ann coulter’s playing such a sanctioned role and getting the high visibility in those other nations that they do here.

Posted by: b real | Mar 5 2005 20:42 utc | 35

i doubt there are many ann coulter’s playing such a sanctioned role
not since Germany in the 30’s at any rate. though if we subtract the racism per se and make it just “spewing hate at any challenger to the ruling Party ideology” there were certainly talking heads galore on the Kremlin payroll in the bad old days (and per the WaPo in the bad new days as wel), ready to pillory any person who became too visible with dissent, skepticism, etc. ditto Mao’s China, the brief heyday of militarised Imperial Japan, etc. seems like Public Hate-Spewer is a standard job description in any modern authoritarianism….
speaking of good and bad old days, Ben Tripp (for whose invective I have an inexplicable and possibly low taste) has an amusing rant on “the good old days”, as in There Warn’t None.

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 6 2005 3:10 utc | 36

40 years later, Harry Belafonte still goes marching on

Posted by: Selma | Mar 6 2005 23:41 utc | 37

Sibel Edmonds Spring Offensive

Posted by: Sibel Edmonds | Mar 7 2005 0:08 utc | 38

YOWZA
M Shahid Alam delivers a Swiftian aria, bel canto all the way. Damn, he’s good. I knew some of the basic facts behind this, but he’s put them well and every sentence rings with controlled Swiftian rage.

How does the US pet economy compare with the world’s poor economies on a per capita basis? In 2003, the 142.7 million dogs and cats in the United States enjoyed a per capita consumption of $2523. The per capita income of world’s 2.3 billion people in low income countries (LICs) was $2190 in 2003 international dollars. This means that the average mammalian pet in the US had a considerably higher standard of living than the average man, woman and child living in the LICs.
The American dogs and cats enjoyed a much larger advantage in their living standards over many individual LICs. The advantage over Sierra Leoneans was 4.8 to one; 4.1 over Tanzanians; 2.8 over Nigerians; 1.3 over Bangladeshis; and 1.2 over Pakistanis. The average Indian had a small advantage of 1.1 over American dogs and cats. The Chinese had a larger lead of 2.0. It is heartening to note that these disparities are considerably smaller than the yawning gaps that emerge when we compare people in the rich countries against people in the poor countries.
One might think that these more upbeat comparisons give reasons for optimism for the world’s poor. Given the smaller disparities between the poor people and rich pets, the poor people can at least dream that once the great humanitarian project of globalization begins to yield its trickle-down benefits to the poor, they will, in the not-too-distant future, be able to catch up with the dogs and cats in the United States.[…]
Does this mean that if the poor people could be used as pets by the rich, this would greatly improve their chances of deriving stronger gains from globalization? If this is indeed true, we can confidently expect that the US delegate to the World Trading Organization will soon propose appropriate changes in the global trading regime to allow for the large-scale adoption of children from poor countries as pets by people in the rich countries. I have no doubt that this proposal will command unanimous support from all the civilized peoples of the world – who, thankfully, inhabit the rich countries.

Ouch.

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 7 2005 5:37 utc | 39

@DeA-
That article is extremely misleading, both regarding the standard of living of Americans & that of dogs – the same prob. applies to cats, but I haven’t studied it.
Firstly, according to art. in Boston Globe by Bob Kuttner last week, the Bottom 80% of Americans have a lower standard of living than the Bottom 80% of Europeans.
Secondly, dogs are so badly bred either by puppy mills – for cruel experimentation by “food” manufacturers, etc. -& regular breeders that blindness & hip dysplasia are now common. Secondly, what’s called dog food is such toxic waste – literally it’s the waste from processing human food – that dogs who should live w/no vet bills til ~16, are overwhelmingly getting arthritis by 8 (from the rancid restaurant greese sprayed on the garbage called kibble to entice the pups to eat it – google dog food & this is one of the first articles to come up) & usually dying from “old age”/illness by 12. (For definitive info. on this consult the one person who’s spent a decade studying the Pet Food Industry & increasingly vet. practices as well, after her dog was poisoned by dog food – Ann Martin:Food Pets Die For.)
That author is just ignorantly manipulating statistics to suit his ideology.
You get a better idea of what’s really going on here, when you realize that xUS sucked in 80% of all world savings, yet our std. of living is lower than Europeans – clearly the money is being stolen by fewer people than required to fill a small major league baseball park. While the reality is that the middle class is being destroyed.
I know too many people struggling to send their children to college, pay obscene medical bills, or try to buy a home, to consider that article anything but inflammatory crap, utterly out of touch w/the lives of all but the most fortunate Americans.

Posted by: jj | Mar 7 2005 6:34 utc | 40

Compare and contrast- Lebanon and Bolivia. Will the US cheer the people’s demand for change:
Link

Posted by: biklett | Mar 7 2005 7:07 utc | 41