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March 2, 2005
Lighter Than Air

To change oh so slightly the topic from the doom and gloom of previous posts, here’s a bit of good news, unless you are DeAnander:

The Flying Taxi:

Photo1_jetpods

This was brought to my attention via an article in Le Monde, which is quite upbeat in the article.

Initially developed by NASA, the technology has recently been validated by detailed studies conducted by City University of London, which conclude that the "plane" could take off and land with only 125 meters of runway.

The concept is a low-altitude, low speed flyer (thus requiring no pressurization) which could be used on specific point to point lines (airport to city center, for instance). With a USD 1 million price tag, the "commute" could be affordable to a number of people, although it will never become a mass system of transportation…

Jetpod_interior

 

Of course, the manufacturer, Avcen of the UK, has prepared a military version which is likely to be developed first…

Oh, well, the little boy in me can dream…

Comments

form follows function. it’s beautiful.

Posted by: DM | Mar 2 2005 13:08 utc | 1

has prepared a military version which is likely to be developped first…
This does not have to be so.

Posted by: DM | Mar 2 2005 13:11 utc | 2

Cool, and we should be able to power fleets of them with the steam coming out of DeAnander’s ears when he sees this.
It does seem an awfully inefficient way of moving people around the place though, doesn’t it?

Posted by: Colman | Mar 2 2005 13:15 utc | 3

So what is the gallons per passenger-mile rate for this one?

Posted by: b | Mar 2 2005 13:17 utc | 4

That’s an interesting concept, although it seems that many of the military uses might be oversold.
It’s nice to see that the sun has risen today. I was getting worried.

Posted by: Groucho | Mar 2 2005 13:21 utc | 5

Yep, Bernhard, that’s the real question here.
Though even DeAnander would have to admit that it’s still better than Fossett’s latest toy – 80% of the weight of his flying thingie is kerosen so that he can propel his sorry ass all over the planet, and it can only flies 1 person.
Looks close to a car for the carrying capacity (6 people?), and it probably wastes even more fuel. But if it’s for limited uses and never goes into mass production and mass market, and is never used as main transportation for individuals, it won’t hurt much. We just should make sure it doesn’t go the way of the car, of the personal family house, or of the cell phone.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 2 2005 13:28 utc | 6

I remember seeing some tech show about a similar looking plane that flew at an altitude of about 3m called a “ground interference device” (?). As I recall it was supposed to be quite efficient.

Posted by: aschweig | Mar 2 2005 15:34 utc | 7

It won’t do to admire the Airbus A-380 and condemn this thing. However, a waste of fossil fuel on small distances is still a waste. Yes, it looks good – so what? It would look just as cool with solar cells on its back, although it wouldn’t fly then, obviously. Minor detail. Beauty for beauty’s sake; doesn’t need to have a function. I assume I’m with DeA on this one (even if he hasn’t posted his opinion yet).

Posted by: teuton | Mar 2 2005 17:32 utc | 8

And, not unconnected with this, a headline that pleases me (in spite of the jobs that are possibly threatened): Ford and GM cut production after SUV sales slump.

Posted by: teuton | Mar 2 2005 18:44 utc | 9

http://www.fuellessflight.com/
Gravity powered flight requires no fuel.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 2 2005 22:06 utc | 10

@Forgot to enter name 05:06
Looks like a zeppelin to me in another shape and presented as a more or less a eternity engine (is that the correct term in english?).
But zeppelins are more energy efficient then planes (kept up by gas and not velocity) so that would be a big step forward.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 3 2005 0:45 utc | 11

@ASKOD I think the english phrase you seek is “perpetual motion machine” perhaps?

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 3 2005 1:25 utc | 12

DeA:
Exactly, thank you. “Evighetsmaskin” is the term in swedish a beautiful word by the way.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 3 2005 1:32 utc | 13

I can remember reading in the WSJ, of all places, during the fallout from the oil embargo in ’73, of predictions of wind powered ships the size of a bulk oil carrier or better. It was very interesting, but the time and the price of oil were not right.
Never saw anything about blimps, though.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Mar 3 2005 2:06 utc | 14

wind powered ships
Yeah, the sail is a beautiful piece of technology. Could and should be used more.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 3 2005 2:13 utc | 15

some people are thinking about it (sail power for big ships)
this is a somewhat annoying article — the traction kite has been used for serious purposes for many decades and it is just plain dumb for the author to call it “what amounts to a child’s toy.” but it shows that a shortage of fossil fuel may spark some much-needed ingenuity. total reliance on bruteforce internal combustion is just sooooo yesterday…
personally I like sail power, but then I am biased…

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 3 2005 3:15 utc | 16

If I understand the linked page correctly, this is really quite a fascinating device. It doesn’t use gasoline, or any other fossil fuel. (Really!) It is possibly ecologically revolutionary, along the lines of “if there is still substantial public flight another century from now, this is what it will probably look like.” And no, it is not a perpetual motion machine. The concept behind a perpetual motion machine is that once you set it running, it will continue to run forever without any additional power. (Which is impossible.) This is a device for capturing free energy (in the form of heat) and converting it to motion. (Actually, to be more accurate, the device captures heat, converts it to gravitational potential energy, and then converts the potential energy into kinetic energy—motion.)

The key to the idea is that air temperatures are higher near the ground than they are at high altitudes. (Which is true.) Now, suppose you had a sealed balloon, inside of which you had some liquid with a boiling point of around, say, 75° F (~24° C) and whose gas form had a substantially lower density than air. On a day when the ground air temperature was higher than 75° F, the liquid would boil and change to a gas. Since the gas would have a lower density than air, the balloon would rise until the air temperature was lower than 75° F, at which point the balloon would lose its heat, the gas would condense back to liquid, and the balloon would fall.

This idea works like that, only with the added fillips that (1) you attach the balloon to a glider, so that once the gas condenses back into a liquid, you can control the direction of descent, and (2) you attach turbines to the glider, to convert some of the velocity into electrical energy. No gasoline actually required at all, during the flight! The tradeoff is that your flight path is not a smooth, fast curve, but rather a long, relatively slow, more-or-less vertical rise, followed by a long, relatively slow descent (possibly with additional rises and descents). You would still move much more quickly than you would on the ground, but at a lower speed than a jet airplane. (No more sonic booms—a definite selling point for me!)

The ecological price tag, as with a bicycle, is in the manufacture and maintenance of the device; at some point, energy is used to create the glider and the balloon, which has to be quite large to lift a bunch of people and/or luggage, and the liquid with the convenient physical properties. (The liquid is worrisome; it has to have a pretty esoteric makeup, and on the “no such thing as a free lunch” principle is probably heavily toxic, both in itself and in manufacture.) Still, from the basic description, I would suspect that the ecological cost of manufacturing the device couldn’t be more than that of manufacturing a normal small airplane, and the elimination of fuel would make it drastically better than a conventional airplane. (Plus there is probably a much lower maintenance requirement, although I may be mistaken on that.) Make no mistake: this is a technology to watch, and to suspend skepticism about until we know more—except for the bit about the military version coming first. (Grrrr!) Still, the idea is a genuinely clever and wonderful one, and my hat is off to the inventor!

Posted by: Blind Misery | Mar 3 2005 5:37 utc | 17

Blind Misery, that’s some interesting info on ecological costs, but I can find no hints that the jetpod does not use fossil fuel – and to my uninformed mind it seems implausible that you could (at least at the moment) reach the announced max speed of about 550 km/h of that compact thing just by capturing and converting “free energy”.

Posted by: teuton | Mar 3 2005 9:48 utc | 18

BM,
as I see it the gas would find a equilibrium where the gas pressure and temperature is the same in the balloon as outside. I don´t see the balloon going up and down, I see it going up and staying up (if it remains sealed). Of course you can release gas or use energy to force the balloon down. That is way I say it is presented as a perpetual motion machine, I think they are hiding some of the real energy costs. Maybe they have figured something out they don´t want to reveal like changing the insulation in the balloons at will, or they might simply be overstating how good their machine is (not uncommon).
It might still be a great piece of technology once what they hide (or what I simply missed) is revealed, as I said I like zeppelins.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 3 2005 12:40 utc | 19

Ok,
now I have gotten the movie on that site to work and understand their reasoning better. The downward pull is made by storing pressurized air in separate compartments in the tubes. But I still have a lot of sceptisism when they claim that the motion will not need any outside energy. I would have no problem if they claimed it was extremely fuelefficient.
Seeing it a second time I am not sure that they have no outside energy, there are some electrical engines running at some times, they might have some form of battery that is externally recharged.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 3 2005 14:35 utc | 20

Ok,
now I think I have really found it:
The wind turbines can generate power while the aircraft is on the ground, tethered above the ground, or floating on water so long as the wind blows with sufficient velocity and provided the wind turbines are faced into the wind. This allows the supply of compressed air to be fully charged after use for short flights that do not produce sufficient compressed air to resume high altitude flight and provides compressed air produced by the wind turbines to drive pneumatic motors to run generators to produce electrical power while on the ground or floating in water.
And that is a beautiful solution. Now I can believe this technology.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 3 2005 14:40 utc | 21

To teuton – ASKOD is writing about another technology (see his link above), not about the jetpod.

Posted by: Jérôme | Mar 3 2005 15:40 utc | 22

Like so many things in the new American Empire, a rational national transportation plan is not on the wavelength of the conservative radicals in charge. This year it’s the elimination of passenger rail and rural bus service. Next year is the market shake out of the major airlines. Shortly, all that will be left in the USA will be roads and air transportation.
The taxi aircraft will fit right in to the new system of private jets to transport the elite
between their gated communities and cattle planes to carry the masses. Except, those unwashed unemployed masses might find a few of those thousands of missing shoulder launched missiles that are floating around. That would crash USA’s transportation system completely.

Posted by: Jim S | Mar 3 2005 16:08 utc | 23

@ Jim S: Don’t abandon hope on U.S. railroads. The dirty little secret is that Amtrak doesn’t actually own most of the tracks on major corridors. They are maintained by commercial interests, and Amtrak runs trains through by agreements with the owners. That’s why rail trips between major cities in the U.S. often have bizarrely inexplicable—to passengers, at any rate—delays in what usually seems like the middle of nowhere; the passenger trains are waiting for commercial trains to clear the area ahead. (I once was on a train that sat in a quite ugly spot for an hour and a half because we missed our scheduled time and had to wait for the next opening.)

I’m not saying that if Amtrak were disbanded today, it could be recreated instantly ten years hence, just that the tracks will mostly still be in roughly the same condition ten years hence, so if Amtrak needed to be recreated, at least there would be no need to pay a lot of money to clear off the tracks.

@ ASKoD: it would reach equilibrium and hover—if air temperatures were in solid, unmoving bands. In practice, things are much rougher, so the balloon would end up bobbing up and down, as the wind pushed it into pockets of warmer and colder air. Interestingly, it would also generally rise higher over cities… I wonder if anyone has ever considered installing wind turbines around those stupid gigantic treeless parking lots next to U.S. commercial enterprises. They heat up like ovens during the summer, and there are many thousands of them around the country. (Particularly in the north; the justification used is always that it is easier to clear snow out of the parking lot in the winter if you don’t have to steer the plow around trees. Only after they are constructed and the developers long gone does anyone realize that the city suddenly has this large area with no shade that gets enormously hot during the summer and floods really easily the rest of the time. Walmart is, of course, a prime offender.)

Posted by: Blind Misery | Mar 3 2005 16:48 utc | 24

Sorry, I missed the crucial link, so I misunderstood BM’s reference to the “linked page”. Thanks, Jérôme, and my apologies to BM and ASKoD.

Posted by: teuton | Mar 3 2005 18:20 utc | 25

We might not have been exactly clear, so the link is: http://www.fuellessflight.com/
Who did post it the first time? It wasn´t me…

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 3 2005 21:47 utc | 26

@Jim S The taxi aircraft will fit right in to the new system of private jets to transport the elite between their gated communities and cattle planes to carry the masses. you said it so I didn’t have to 🙂

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 4 2005 4:56 utc | 27

Blind Misery,
It will be interesting to see if Amtrak will be gutted, if so, it would in some sense serve as a proof of fact that this administrations national security efforts are more about creating a smoke screen (for a different domestic agenda)than maintaining the necessary redundancy if we are in fact “at war”. After 9-11, Amtrak took up substantial slack caused by the fear of flying as the secondary mode of national travel. So it’s a bit odd that this secondary mode of travel should be discarded so easily, while the administration is hell-bent on a generational war. What many do not understand, is that government has always played a major role in American rail traffic, through both massive land grants and severe regulation — passenger service has always been (until the Staggers Act in the 70’s) been mandated and regulated by the federal govt. After that Amtrak was created to fill the void in passenger service, but (except in the Boston/WashDC strip) maintained no trackage it owned, maintained, and operated to it’s own needs and thus was and is subject to the needs of the host RR trackage needs, and why you’re train must wait for the next freight to clear. So any expectations of Amtrak being “self sufficiant” is a total joke out of the gate, as if any major transportation system is self sufficiant in the first place, be it the highway system, air terminals, sea ports, you name (baseball stadiums) all financed % tax wise way beyond anything Amtrak could dream of relative to it’s importance.
It’s not that America did’nt have the chance to own and develop it’s own national trackage system for an Amtrak like system. After the 70’s much trackage was simply abandoned, as either the result of the rampent consolidation or bankruptcy. Case in point the Milwaukee RR went bankrupt in the 70’s, was not merged or sold off and left trackage (parts even electrified with substations) from Seattle to Chicago, now one long bike trail.

Posted by: anna missed | Mar 4 2005 9:52 utc | 28