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March 10, 2005
Greenspan’s bubbles – more scary graphs

From Marc Faber and Jim Puplava (links found by Bernhard) come the following graphs which explain in no uncertain terms why the current economic situation is worrying:

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My analysis of these graphs, and other scary ones, below.

The first graph is telling a simple story: people are cashing in on the increased value of their houses – by piling on more debt, which simply appears more sustainable when the asset backing these debts (your house) is more valuable. (“extraction” in the graph means debt extraction, i.e. adding on to mortgages and spending the money).

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The debt burden on US consumers has increased steadily for the past 20 years. In part, this reflects more sophisticated financial instruments and a general trend towards lower interests throughout the period (as the 70s inflation was fought off successfully). What is really worrying is that, contrary to what happened in the early 90s, the 2001 “recession” did nothing to reduce that debt burden: debt service to disposable income (i.e. the portion of your cash that you use to pay off debt – the red line above) has remained at record highs, and the net savings are at record lows – they have actually negative: Americans now spend more than they earn.

The second graph above the fold (which is formatted to make the two curves look similar, but is nevertheless very scary) shows that the increase in homebuilders’s share prices (a proxy for the real estate market) is looking distinctly frothy.

What this means is that US consumers are spending real money based on the virtual increase in the value of their homes – after spending the real money based on the virtual increase in the value of their shares a few years back.

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As this graph shows, consumption has grown in the US faster than real GDP in every year since 1997, fuelled by the two successive asset bubbles. This consumption growth has fuelled an import boom which has widened the trade deficits to new records.

What these graphs mean is that consumption is not fuelled by a healthy economy, but by increasing debt. The absence of savings means that there is little investment in the US economy (all investment is financed by foreigners and not by local savings), and therefore the money is spent elsewhere.

Contrary to what many of you on this site think (from the comments in my previous diaries), this is not a sign that the US economy is not competitive – it is simply a sign that you are choosing, as consumers, on an a macro level, to spend on “stuff” and not to invest, and that the local production capacities are therefore not extended to provide for this demand – not because they would be unable to compete, but because you (the Amercian population as a whole) would rather buy foreign stuff now than US stuff a little bit later.

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This graph shows that US banks are significantly reducing their loans to the commercial and industrial sector. As Marc Faber writes:

So, all Mr. Greenspan has created is a huge financial and asset bubble everywhere in the world, but no real improvement in the US economy, which is like a drug addict and requires more and more credit to stay afloat. As someone once said, in order to avoid a hangover, you must keep on drinking…

The problem, however, is that the US requires an increasing amount of credit growth in order to keep real estate and stock prices up and to make them move higher, which in turn supports the US consumer’s excessive consumption. But, at the same time, while asset prices in the US are soaring, output is not rising for the simple reason that the market has discounted this “evil” Fed induced con game.

Meanwhile, things are reaching their limits:

– the number of homes available for sale is at record highs. Should demand slow down (because debt gets more expensive with increased interest rates), supply will be too plentiful, thus leading potentially to a nasty fall in prices – and makind all that “virtual” equity worthless – but nonetheless already spent.

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– the accumulation of US dollars by foreigners is reaching macro economic levels which are worrisome. In the case of Japan, the first holder of reserves, these reserves represent a growing portion of the country’s GDP. That means they are working, giving the fruit of their labor to the Americans and are getting in exchange that growing pile of IOUs which is beginning to steadily lose its value (against some currencies). This is NOT a good deal for them anymore…

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Turning into a nation of sharecroppers may end up being a nice outcome…

And remember – it IS Greenspan’s fault.

Comments

To this, add the forthcoming military and geo-political debacle…
To me, the collapse of the Empire is no longer a matter of “if”. Too many of my friends still believe that if only we could get rid of Bush, things would be OK. Not so.
It’s the “when” and the “how” that should be the focus of our thoughts.

Posted by: Lupin | Mar 10 2005 12:07 utc | 1

Kos posted

Posted by: Jérôme | Mar 10 2005 12:15 utc | 2

Just in case people think this is liberal shit. It is not. While Marc Faber (a piecenic from Switzerland) hates the current U.S. regime, Jim Publava is a Californian Republican businessman. He publicly voiced for Bush and Arnuld and in economics is sometimes nearly an Austrian.

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2005 12:26 utc | 3

This is plainly scary and Australia (as one of USA states literally if not officially – I am not joking here) is in the same boat…I am talking about this for some time now…The only difference that makes it only visually little “better” (for state economy) here is the fact that this government is taxing heavily middle class and lower classes in Australia…and I mean HEAVILY…
Not a bright future especially for us new emigrants that did not have enough time to make our future safe or ancestors here to inherit any wealth… We may end up “under the bridge” or at least back home in a country where we came from but I am really scared for the future of our children to be honest…
I don’t see how this can be resolved peacefully or even without Big WW III …not really…That’s why it’s dangerous for all of us if USA falls…It will not fall silently that’s for sure…it will take all of us down to the bottom of the hell…God help us all…
Excuse my deep pessimism …but one does not have to be very smart to see where this is going. And having in mind state of lawlessness on this planet generally the picture is even gloomier…

Posted by: vbo | Mar 10 2005 12:28 utc | 4

@vbo – I am more optimistic on Australia – at least financially the still have commodities to sell etc. There is a housing bubble there, but the consequences for the nation will not be as extreme as for the US.

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2005 12:33 utc | 5

Lets look at the next steps.
Yesterday bonds did fall and the 10 year rate did go up to 4.5. It may reach 4.9% by yearsend.
As the rate goes up some people on interest only or adjustable rate mortgages will walk away from their houses, others will not buy. There will be many nice houses on the market but only few buyers, i.e. prices drop.
Pop goes the bubble. Consumers will have no money to buy and the U.S. followed by the rest of the world will dump into a deep recession.
Also the rate hikes could quite possible kill some banks or hedgefonts (LTCM again?). What can Greenspan do than? Lower rates again? That would then definitly let the US$ tank.

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2005 12:40 utc | 6

The economics editor of the FT recently called the US economy a pyramid-selling scheme, hedge funds are the new Enron, Andre Gunder Frank and Emmanuel Todd think the coming crash is going to be the worst in world history (all these have been linked to on MoA in recent weeks.)
We are all Argentinians now:
“The last four years of ostrich-like and inept attitude by the top brass of the US Treasury towards international financial policy making needs to change now. Given the risks and dangers in the global economy we cannot afford another four years of mediocre policy making.”

Posted by: Ineluctable | Mar 10 2005 12:52 utc | 7

Fine graphs and figures here.
What this means is that if wages don’t follow inflation, the whole house of cards will collapse quickly, because people can only pay the interests if their revenues are stable – they can’t even rely on savings to pay for a couple of bad years. In fact, I’m just surprised it survived so long and didn’t come down after the 2001 crash. So, when the housing bubble pops, the US people will have been milked twice in 5 years. I somehow doubt the average guy can survive this shit without problems.
Japan’s policies look insane to me. They went from 300 bio to 800 bio uunder Bush’s rule. Were I the Japan Central Bank leader, I would worry that China would choose to gut my economy by being the first to sell. They would be hurt, but Japan would sink to the bottom, and this would remove the main East-Asian military and economic competitor (as well as nastily hurt if not downright remove the biggest kid on the bloke sitting across that huge Pacific pond).
VBO: I rather agree with you that we will all suffer when the shit hits the fan, though potentially some areas may suffer far less if the leaders are honest and clever. But before being depressed by it and not wanting the US to fall hard, the real question is if it can be avoided at all. Here I join Lupin in that I’ve always thought the system was heading for the wall – or the cliff – and it was only a matter of when. So I don’t spend time thinking how dangerous it would be if the US falls; the whole system is in for a world of trouble and has been since the beginning. In fact, my main hope is that the crash comes soon, so that the planet hasn’t been totally screwed up and there’s still something to save and that can serve as basis for a fresh start after it, because historically we can see that the longer a predatory society lives on, the more fucked-up the whole land is after that, unable to rise again.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Mar 10 2005 13:05 utc | 8

After doing some major lurking here and elsewhere, and finding your discussions fascinating, I have a couple of questions.
Bringing this down to a personal level, since wages are not following inflation, savings is at an all-time low, consumer debt is over the top, most people are mortgaged to the hilt, and a majority (or near majority) of jobs are in the low-wage retail sector (my current one included), wouldn’t a burst in the real estate bubble bring on massive job loss?
What will become of us?

Posted by: Vicki | Mar 10 2005 13:59 utc | 9

Well, unless the pack of psychopaths in charge of the US get their act together and start dealing with the real world or we manage to be very lucky, the 1930s is probably your best reference.
At worst, we get massive job losses, real poverty, real hunger. Except this time around, the powers that be would be inclined to take Hitler’s solution, not FDRs. Blame the libruls/atheists/A-rabs/Europeans/Jews, and point the anger and hurt and betrayal of the US people against them rather than against the arrogant fools that had led the US and the world into the fire. We know where that took us last time. New Reich, not New Deal.
In the meantime, arrogant fools on the left will be cheering the fire expecting it to cleanse the World of Capitalism, ushering in some unspecified Utopia.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 10 2005 14:37 utc | 10

Quote:
I am more optimistic on Australia – at least financially the still have commodities to sell etc…
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Yap…more uranium mines to be open, haha
But USA will drag us down politically …Few days ago China warned Australia not to follow USA (as we have treaty with USA about Taiwan) in it’s politic about Taiwan…generally Asia is warning Australia at this very moment not to play deputy sheriff for USA in this region…which we are playing…… no choice I suppose…

Posted by: vbo | Mar 10 2005 15:00 utc | 11

OTOH, I have also heard that the next real estate bubble-pop will be like any other adjustment in the real estate cycle. Prices will drop then slowly rebound, or prices will just stop rising, making real estate less lucrative an investment. I am not sure what to believe. Somedays I just want to throw in the towel, sell the house, and move to Europe. But I’m not sure that’s a wise move either. To repeat a question up-thread: How ought individuals prepare against your nightmare scenario?

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 10 2005 15:20 utc | 12

Gylangirl: I’ll bet that economist worked for a lending agency, a building concern or had investments in property.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 10 2005 15:40 utc | 13

As some of you know already (boring me) my wife and I did decide to move to Europe after Black Tuesday, and we effected that move last month (chronicled on my wife’s blog).
I also moved whatever assets we had to Euros or, when I couldn’t, to foreign-linked funds like Oppenheimer’s. The way I figure it, worst case I won’t be worse off (about the same, really), best case, I’ll have saved our bacon.

Posted by: Lupin | Mar 10 2005 15:44 utc | 14

Nah, Lupin, worst case it that you’ll be interned for the duration.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 10 2005 15:47 utc | 15

More down-trends!
Singapore Surpasses U.S. As Top Tech Nation

NEW YORK – Singapore has displaced the United States as the top economy in information technology competitiveness, according to the World Economic Forum’s latest annual Global Information Technology Report released today.
The U.S. drops from first to fifth in the rankings, which measures the propensity for countries to exploit the opportunities offered by information and communications technology (ICT).
Iceland, Finland and Denmark occupy positions two, three and four out of 104 countries surveyed, with Iceland achieving the most improvement among the top countries, moving up from tenth last year.
India and China significantly improved their positions climbing to numbers 39 and 45, compared to 45 and 51 in 2003, respectively.

Posted by: Fran | Mar 10 2005 16:12 utc | 16

Colman- not sure i’m following you here. are you suggesting that it is required that a fully-realized, fully-planned alternative utopian society be on the table before any transformation away from capitalism can begin? capitalism is a very resilient system. i doubt anyone sensible thinks that it’s going to be dropped just b/c of economic catastrophe. but the very contradictions inherent in the reality & rhetoric of neoclassical, neoliberal, etc.. forms of capitalism already define what a better, more just system should look like. isn’t that enough to start w/?

Posted by: b real | Mar 10 2005 16:13 utc | 17

In the meantime, arrogant fools on the left will be cheering the fire expecting it to cleanse the World of Capitalism, ushering in some unspecified Utopia.
How many crises have there got to be before we move away from the irrationality of the present system? The West is almost untouched as yet as far as the true costs of it go.
Like Marc Faber says, Greenspan should get a Nobel Prize for inducing catastrophic bubbles (the capital flight from the crisis after one bubble bursts feeds the next bubble, and so on).
Instead, short-termists hail him as hero. As long as there’s profit today, tomorrow can go f**k itself.
Nouriel Roubini is foaming at the mouth about the profiteering on the back of the Argentinian debt crisis (a crisis that pushed up registered unemployment to 17.5%, that is, to nearly 1 in 5):
“Finally, when last Sunday ABRA decided to capitulate and accept the deal, the FT put this minor event as its lead story on the front page on Monday without even pointing out the basic and simple reason why Lerrick and his gang had accepted the offer: that they would make millions and millions of dollars in fees (at extortionary rates for their creditors) without delivering any value whatsoever to the creditors they represented. These creditors got the deal that everyone else did and ABRA’s services were worth literally zero. So, Lerrick and his gang would have accepted the deal even if it had been 10 cents on the dollar rather than 30; their private financial interest was exactly orthogonal to that of the creditors they represented. I.e., pocketing millions to the expenses of hapless creditors without providing any service or benefit, while formally barking in public for weeks against Argentina and the IMF. What a pathetic greedy hypocrisy.
If this is “rational” capitalism at work, then yes, fuck it.

Posted by: Ineluctable | Mar 10 2005 16:13 utc | 18

I too find I’m buying a lot of crap especially computer stuff because it seems so cheap. The housing bubble has to burst because interest rates have to climb to pay for the federal debt and trade imbalances. The question is the degree of the collapse and what it takes with it. Side issues are the oil crunch and the Holy War in the Middle East.
If there were rationale leaders in charge, I wouldn’t be so worried. But, as Paul Krugman states the GOP are radicals. Ever since the head long rush to invade Iraq, against all common sense, and all the exposed lies and delusions, I am sure that the GOP has absolutely no concern for the coming economic Perfect Storm. After all, freedom, democracy and free markets cure all ills.

Posted by: Jim S | Mar 10 2005 16:27 utc | 19

Colman: No need for cheering. It’s just a statement of fact, the current system goes to complete ruin and was doomed to failure and downfall sooner or later. Now that the end is at hand, it’s better to begin to think of what will come after rather than bother to save it. In this case, I’m of the opinion that if rapacious uber-capitalism is sinking, I’d rather throw it an anvil. Yep, in this case I fully support any kind of pre-emptive action, because the longer the system goes on its rampage, the bigger the damages to the planet and mankind. In my opinion, if left unchecked, it will fall when all has been consumed and annihilated, and all will be utterly lost for mankind. I’d prefer to see it fail and fall before it takes all of us with it – though I’m obviously aware that the best-case scenario sees it taking a good deal of us with it, whatever happens. Of course, I’m also aware that there’s a small window of opportunity to come up and implement a decent system, and odds are that either very bad ones will come, or chaos will prevail, in which case the system’s ultimate downfall won’t save us but will just doom us as well as the system would’ve otherwise.
So, yep, I still deem capitalism as a wrong and evil system, based upon nefarious and loatheful principles, and its ending, by whichever means and whatever comes after, is welcome as far as I’m concerned. This stuff has killed countless millions and has allowed slavery to go on, except all that occurred under other names. If I had to choose, I’d rather pick a system that calls things by their names – they’re easier to oppose because the tyranny isn’t hidden but open for all to see.
Call that arrogant and foolish utopianism if you want, but I don’t care that much about how the world is; how the world could be is more interesting to me.
If you thought R’Giap was bad… 😉

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Mar 10 2005 16:33 utc | 20

No Bernhard, I’m not suggesting any such thing, nor am I defending the current fucked-up system of pseudo-Capitalism, the Corporate Welfare State.
What I am attacking is the idea that a gradual transition to something more sensible is impossible and the best that we can hope for is for revolution. I’m not talking about the sensible people.
And, Ineluctable, this isn’t rational capitalism. These people are laying the groundwork for the utter destruction of the system they like so much. I just don’t believe the world will be any better after the revolution.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 10 2005 16:37 utc | 21

CluelessJoe writes:

If I had to choose, I’d rather pick a system that calls things by their names – they’re easier to oppose because the tyranny isn’t hidden but open for all to see.

Which system would that be then?

Call that arrogant and foolish utopianism if you want, but I don’t care that much about how the world is; how the world could be is more interesting to me.

I’m rather more interested in how the world can be, not how it could be.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 10 2005 16:45 utc | 22

Colman- that was me, not b. after i reread your post, i gathered that you were being cynical and venting a distaste for a category of leftists and i was perhaps assuming too much. i don’t buy the notion that it only this group of “crazies” making policy decisions that are to blame, nor that the fire only ignited recently. personally, revolution doesn’t interest me, nor does reform. a washed pig only goes back to roll in the mud. interesting times, indeed.

Posted by: b real | Mar 10 2005 17:04 utc | 23

@Coleman
No Bernhard, I’m not suggesting any such thing, nor am I defending the current fucked-up system of pseudo-Capitalism, the Corporate Welfare State.
???

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2005 17:10 utc | 24

Any thoughts here on Atrios’ comment at 10:22 last evening, regarding an earlier post by Brad Delong?

Posted by: Arc | Mar 10 2005 17:13 utc | 25

@Clueless
Japan’s policies look insane to me. They went from 300 bio to 800 bio uunder Bush’s rule. Were I the Japan Central Bank leader, I would worry that China would choose to gut my economy by being the first to sell.
Looks like Koizumi was lurking here:
Dollar Declines After Koizumi Says Japan May Diversify Reserves

March 10 (Bloomberg) — The dollar dropped against the euro and the yen in Asia after Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said Japan “in general” needs to consider diversifying the investment of its foreign reserves.

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2005 17:14 utc | 26

Oops, sorry for the misattribution: my DSL is down today and I’m wrestling with trying to work over dial-up, so I’m cranky.
The thing is, a pig is meant to roll in the mud. It’s good for them.
The crazies are making it much worse, and it means we can’t make things better for a while: we have to run desperately trying to stop things getting too much worse.
Anyway, why are we even talking about this unimportant stuff:

A judge has issued an arrest warrant for pop star Michael Jackson after he failed to show up for his trial on time.

Where’s my Sky News?

Posted by: Colman | Mar 10 2005 17:17 utc | 27

There is no such thing as rational capitalism. It is an inherently greedy, unstable and self-defeating system.
Markets are human constructs, and the current insane arrangements are bringing misery to billions of people who live on less than a dollar a day, let alone all those who are going to feel the effects when the present bubble(s) burst.
If your solution in preference to a radical left direction for the world economy is some form of infantile “no state” libertarianism, fuck that too.

Posted by: Ineluctable. | Mar 10 2005 17:28 utc | 28

@Clueless – another one:
Dollar catching Asian flu

The Bank of International Settlements (BIS), which acts as a bank for the world’s central banks, has just released a study showing that the ratio of dollar deposits held in Asian offshore reserves declined to 67% in September, down from 81% in the third quarter of 2001. India was the biggest seller, reducing its dollar assets from 68% of total reserves to just 43%.

Race to the exit.

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2005 17:32 utc | 29

writing from within the tottering empire, with personal testimony rather than theory, I have to concur with the “extraction” story — I am about the only person I know who refinanced a mortgage only to reduce my monthly payments and pay off the balance faster (I overpay by about 30 pct to drag down the principal as fast as possible). everyone else I know refinanced to get more (lots and lots, wheeee!) “spending money”.
I was raised to believe that being in debt is Bad, that if you are in debt you are a foolish, reckless person, and that the only debt any sane person should tolerate is their home mortgage. credit cards should be used like cheques and paid off every month, etc. …this is of course the attitude of the secure middle class who can afford to avoid debt, i.e. have enough income to cover necessities and comforts without putting themselves at the mercy of pawnbrokers and loan sharks. I know there are people in the US who go into debt in order to buy school clothes for the kids or (increasingly common) to pay medical bills. my family was not in that position and could afford to eschew indebtedness.
this old-fashioned upbringing (courtesy of my very right-wing capitalist-cheerleader father, ironically enough) means that the local housing bubble could deflate by 80 percent and I would still be able to walk away from my house (if it could be sold at all) breaking even, not in debt. it would hurt a lot, as I have regarded the house as my “other pension fund”, but at least I would not go to debtor’s prison — which is how things are shaping up in the US with the recent “bankruptcy bill”.
also due to early brainwashing, I have always kept enough money in the bank to survive for six months without a job 🙂
however I confess to having been a sucker for the great US consumer spending spree, in my own way — in my 20’s and 30’s I did what young successful working people generally do in the US, furnished a home, bought lots of CDs and books and toys. I spent up to my income, with the caveats above (no rolling debt, and a “safety margin” in the bank in case of catastrophe).
by now I should have been able to own some additional real estate, or be in a position to buy some, without selling my house — if I had lived frugally instead of buying too much Stuff over the last 30 years. the Stuff means much less to me now and I regret wasting money on it, especially now that land — arable land — looks like the only possible security in the dubious times ahead.
and my situation is not that bad — still employed, some prospect of a retirement income. I cannot imagine the degree of bitterness and regret that will be felt by those ambitious yuppies who have 2 SUVs on the driveway of a trophy home and owe, say, $500K on the package — if the economy tanks in the way that we are pessimistically speculating.
it bothers me that my fairly profligate earlier lifestyle appears very conservative and cautious compared to what is now considered “normal” spending behaviour in American society.
I worry daily about finding some kind of personal survival strategy. the next couple of decades don’t look like a great time to be “older” in America or anywhere else in the world. my current notion is to attempt to emigrate to Canada and buy some rural land there in a maritime province, perhaps in partnership with Canadian friends. we all have survival/homesteading skills of various kinds so it might be possible to band together and eke out a subsistence living if the worst comes to the worst. I used to think that people who talk and think like this are nuts, and it is somewhat embarrassing to find myself “raving” like some kind of Montana survivalist — but when I hear y’all agreeing with me about the grim prospects for the US economy and world stability, I wonder…
I’d be interested to hear other people’s ideas about survival (or hedging the bets) plans.

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 10 2005 17:33 utc | 30

one of my favorite pseudo economic indicators (MUST credit me !) is the first graph at the top showing the total num of active setiathome participants, here
(i’ll explain this below). now for my short reply to the posting.

Contrary to what many of you on this site think (from the comments in my previous diaries), this is not a sign that the US economy is not competitive – it is simply a sign that you are choosing, as consumers, on an a macro level, to spend on “stuff” and not to invest, and that the local production capacities are therefore not extended to provide for this demand – not because they would be unable to compete, but because you (the Amercian population as a whole) would rather buy foreign stuff now than US stuff a little bit later.

while i agree with pretty much of the rest of the article, i disagree with this specific passage because what is happening is IMHO not “the choice of you, the american consumer”, but an effect of economic policies whose seeds were planted in the 70’s and which are coming to fruition now.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 10 2005 17:33 utc | 31

Colman: I have joked to my French friends that they should be nice to us because they’ll need us to communicate ith their future occupiers.
Economy (a subject which is like sanskrit to me) doesn’t exist in a vacuum — I have to believe that when the Empire collapses — I’m talking End of the Soviet Union-collapse here, it’s going to create all kinds of insane phenomena, that will only make things worse.
And the Empire has to collapse. I give it between 5 and 10 years, but sooner or later, we must realize it’ll all come crashing down.

Posted by: Lupin | Mar 10 2005 17:47 utc | 32

I’d be interested to hear other people’s ideas about survival (or hedging the bets) plans.
kinda funny that CluelessJoe mentioned it in the useless statistics thread, but my plans actually do include purchasing land and establishing residency in zambia!

Posted by: b real | Mar 10 2005 17:53 utc | 33

“I’m rather more interested in how the world can be, not how it could be.”
Be realistic, ask the impossible.

Posted by: Ernesto Che Guevara | Mar 10 2005 18:13 utc | 34

Colman said upthread, “Well, unless the pack of psychopaths in charge of the US get their act together…”
With respect Colman, I think those psychopaths DO have their act together, at least from the perspective of survival in the regime they have joined and helped to develop.
It should be a red flag to you and everyone else that this pack-o-thugs is doing everything inhumanly possible to destroy our beloved system. It is not/cannot be because they are merely stupid and greedy in the short term either. It is a plan. Mountains of evidence for this is toweriing over us if we dare to look up and see it.
Causing low level panic is certainly part of the plan. Whatever it is it is not rational in the common sense of the word; I guess that is what makes it so hard for most to comprehend.
I’ll say it again, Not Human. As long as you continue to try and assign human character to these perps you will flounder in confusion. And you will be dragged down to their hell with the belief that they – just can’t be that bad -.
They are, and worse. I have no clue for a workable strategy or countermove, but at least we can recognise who the enemy is and how he operates. That is a good start.

Posted by: rapt | Mar 10 2005 18:34 utc | 35

@ DeAnander: “I worry daily about finding some kind of personal survival strategy. the next couple of decades don’t look like a great time to be ‘older’ in America or anywhere else in the world. my current notion is to attempt to emigrate to Canada and buy some rural land there in a maritime province, perhaps in partnership with Canadian friends. we all have survival/homesteading skills of various kinds so it might be possible to band together and eke out a subsistence living if the worst comes to the worst.
You spoke to me. I have been doing the same thing and have a similar situation. Have tools, can shoe horses, will travel; where do I apply?

Posted by: beq | Mar 10 2005 18:43 utc | 36

It is not/cannot be because they are merely stupid and greedy in the short term either
Why can’t it be?
Emmanuel Todd (sorry, bit of a fan right now) says in his recent book:
“The American ruling class is even more rudderless and clueless than its European counterparts who are so often criticised for their weakness.”
Plus:
“The exploitation of the laboring classes in the developed world and the overexploitation of developing countries would not pose an insurmountable problem for the equilibrium of the globalized society if the ruling class of all the countries in the world, specifically the [US] European and Japanese protectorates, could feel satisfied.”
But this is the precisely the point at which the capitalist system defeats itself – no limits permitted to accumulation. “Feeling satisfied” is not an option.
If you’ve ever lived in a communist country for a time without being surrounded by the ubiquity of advertising that pertains in the West, you’d know how completely and utterly shocking it is when you come back into “buy, buy, buy” territory.

Posted by: Ineluctable | Mar 10 2005 19:10 utc | 37

speaking of plans, michael ruppert says he’s shifting to lifeboat mode

Most people find themselves unable to tolerate the sight of the pattern which the connected dots reveal. After this, FTW will no longer try to detail the dots of Peak Oil. What we have published over the last seven years is proof enough. We had it right. I refuse to go over it again. Those who get it now, get it. Those who do not may possibly be beyond saving, because their own choices have deprived them of critical months of preparation for the crisis – especially since most of this “preparation” is psychological in nature. It is very hard and very painful to get one’s mind to accept this reality.
Nature does not grant time outs.

Posted by: b real | Mar 10 2005 19:19 utc | 38

I sympathise with Ruppert when he says “I refuse to go over it again” – some will just never get it. We’ve heard this kind of crowing from many a self-proclaimed prophet. (quit lookin at me that way).
b-real have you read the responses of Ruppert’s opposition, who lays out ample evidence that crude oil is created by hot rocks reacting at more than six km deep? So…there’s two sides (or more than two) to every story.
Keep your ears open.
Ruppert’s version (could be) useful in an effort to promote the concept of growing scarcity and raise oil prices, which has happened. It worked.
Just sayin.

Posted by: rapt | Mar 10 2005 19:48 utc | 39

Going to Canada:
The only two countries in the world that tax their citizens no matter where in the world they live are the USA and Lybia.
The US has a law that prohibits leaving the US for tax purposes, even making it possible to pursue and attach monies of people that are no longer US nationals (those who have given up their nationality.) I have heard though that this law is almost never implemented, as the middle class are not financially interesting enough and the truly rich take care to have US protection (such as being pardoned for tax evasion in the US by Billy before even leaving..) so as to be exempt.
The whole thing is very complicated; don’t move an inch or do anything before consulting a very competent tax lawyer. If reassuring noises are made, be skeptical, check, and check again. (First, check the IRS site: it is a little opaque, but much of the info is there.)
If you plan to go under the radar, be aware that you may not be able to enter the US again before you change your nationality (or identity), and arm yourself with the most complete set of paperwork you can gather. You may want / need to marry, import a child, buy a home, etc. Even Zambia will ask for official court judgments (e.g. divorce.) As a US citizen you may be subject to laws that don’t apply to others.
Off the grapevine – a bit confused – we get a lot of desperate expats here, horrendous stories, rumours fly.
Look into every detail before doing anything. Best is to use, or rapidly acquire, a second nationality.

Posted by: Blackie | Mar 10 2005 20:03 utc | 40

DeAnander wrote

I have to concur with the “extraction” story — I am about the only person I know who refinanced a mortgage only to reduce my monthly payments and pay off the balance faster (I overpay by about 30 pct to drag down the principal as fast as possible). everyone else I know refinanced to get more (lots and lots, wheeee!) “spending money”.

missus charley and myself did a variant of this – we refinanced to keep the payments approximately the same (a little higher) and cut the term from 30 to 15 years

Posted by: mistah charley | Mar 10 2005 20:06 utc | 41

(clicked prematurely on the POST button above, sorry)
one of my favorite pseudo economic indicators (MUST credit me !) is the first graph at the top showing the total num of active setiathome participants, here (i’ll explain this below). now for my short reply to the posting.

Contrary to what many of you on this site think (from the comments in my previous diaries), this is not a sign that the US economy is not competitive – it is simply a sign that you are choosing, as consumers, on an a macro level, to spend on “stuff” and not to invest, and that the local production capacities are therefore not extended to provide for this demand – not because they would be unable to compete, but because you (the Amercian population as a whole) would rather buy foreign stuff now than US stuff a little bit later.

while i agree with pretty much of the rest of the article, i disagree with this specific passage because what is happening is IMHO not “the choice of you, the american consumer”, but an effect of economic policies whose seeds were planted in the 70’s and which are coming to fruition now.
americans are not spending their money on imported “stuff” because they prefer it but because basically american “stuff” is becoming scarce and unaffordable. just two examples for the sake of it: HP calculators, known to everyone and probably THE cool spinoff from space age and to me THE symbol of cool american tech, are fabricated in brazil, mexico, singapore and other places since at least the late 70’s. another exponent of cool american tech is Sherline who make miniature lathes and other really nice stuff. If you check their page, you’ll see “Made in USA” right at the top. I see them as one example of what constitutes the backbone of any economy: small and middle enterprises who make a tangible product of good quality and who actually give work to people and pay salaries which enable people to live with some dignity. HP under messrs. hewlett and packard was probably the same kind of place until they decided to turn over business decisions to people who had nothing to do with their core business, prime suspects would be people pushed into the board by banks, culminating in carlys apotheosis of destruction.
seen in another way, in my very stereotyped view companies like sherline and the old HP were in the business of making something: good products, customer satisfaction, livelihoods, wealth.
banks, OTOH, are fundamentally different animals. they are in the business of wealth accumulation, capital building, money lending, of making something out of nothing because lending money at 10% when the economy grows at 2% cant be called anything else. what banks do is variously called capitalism, mercantilism (since the medieval venetian days, from where it originates and is also mentioned in a famous play by shakespeare), speculation, usury.
why i mention this all ? it is IMO important for understanding how the graphs presented above come into existence because these graphs are what happens when you cross an animal which makes “something” with an animal which lives of “something for nothing”. so now lets look at those horrible graphs using my small example involving HP and sherline.
when the engineers hewlett and packard started their company they had one good product, they became big and wealthy based on customer satisfaction and sound management, at least that is what the legends say (lets take them for granted). due to their industriousness, at some point they were sitting on a pile of money so big that somebody in the banking universe noticed. they were eventually talked into converting their company into a corporation and placing the shares on some stock exchange. probably the hewlett and packard families understood that the benefits by far outweighed all other implicaitons of relinquishing part of their control over the company to an abstract entity, ‘the market’. the implications were probably “more stringent audits”, having people from certain banks involved in business decisions, a bigger reliance on credit or “outside capital”. this is the event IMHO which marks the transition of a sound business into a walking cadaver, when the first blue fly has deposits its first egg on the corpse.
sweet times come. the influx of money makes many things possible, increases income for those at the top and makes the bankers smile. the “stringent audits” and constant intromisions by soft spoken people like andersen consulting (remember those ?) brought in by the bankers make the cutting of edges possible, streamline production and administrative processes, make the bottom line look even fatter, make the company even more “credit worthy” (and credit loaded) and everything looks just fine. the company is paying nice dividends, pays their credits back, sell their stuff. like with helminthiasis, the company becomes thinner (“streamlined”) but nobody suspects an illness. to cut it short, eventually people like fiorina arrive, or the company turns into a abominations like oracle who thinks nothing of screwing over a healthier company like peoplesoft, or microsoft, which has more or less destroyed the IT industry in the US and europe for perhaps 20 years now.
“streamlining” means cutting edges and ends everywhere. once a company has been assimilated by the banking combine via introduction to the capital market or overloading it with credit, the until-then main business becomes a secondary consideration vis-a-vis “shareholder value”. production lines are stopped because making stuff in some sweatshop in malaysia is cheaper, customer service is offshored to india, assembly is done in maquiladoras in mexico. research into new products is defunded because developing a new product takes at least 5 years and spending (no mention of investment here) that money without a return in duch a long time means less “competivity” and besides the chinese develop lotsa gadgets in their reeducation camps. people get laid off and those who remain get less salary the same as the new hires who must come in cheaper and be “flexible” meaning that a 40-hour contract means you stand 60 hours in the factory and dont get the difference paid. eventually the company, lets call it HP, is a rotting shell consisting of paper-pushers pululating cubicle-hell in some glass-skinned rent-a-tower in downtown somewhere
the effects for society are reflected in the graphs presented above. laid off engineers still have to eat and pay back mortgages and send kids to school and drive to and from suburbia when they chase after badly paid jobs. so what do they do ? get a second mortgage on the not-yet paid house, overload the credit card, do three jobs, lower their living standard, go bankrupt, whatever. the “home equity extraction” graph above would reflect exactly this. people have no income and have to live somewhere and have to eat, that would be massive amounts of people mortgaging their houses at the far right of the graph. same goes for the savings rate graph. people seem not to be saving but instead living off whatever savings they had or off credits (mortgages).
so why would banks not lend to industry and commerce but still lend to private persons ? simple. industry has no chance against cheap “stuff” from the chinese gulags and commerce is not viable in a place where people have no money to “consume”. getting back to our example, companies like sherline who apparently live off honest business will sooner or later be crowded out of their market by chinese “stuff” or assimilated by bankster-controlled kombinats like microsoft.
privates get credit because they are good business for banksters, because they always pay back. few persons have the wherewithal to take on the legal depts of banks in case they default on debt, what means the bank will never lose. that is not me but those are stats known to anybody who wants to know. private persons are easy prey for the usurers. 40% yearly interest on credit card debts qualifies as usury IMO and by the definition i linked above.
so, why do i mention Seti@Home users in relation with a commentary on the economy ? if you look at the first graph in the page i linked above you’ll note that since about end of 1Q2003 the number of active participants in Seti@Home has declined constantly. I would interpret this as the number of people worldwide who are keeping their computer turned on 24/7 and using energy. obviously there are lots less now than 2 years ago. people get layed, dont have access to computers with constant net access, stop the computer at home because it is a factor in the electricity bill, … you get the picture. Dont know if it is true but i still like to think it is.
an afterthought: because it comes to mind, here is a serving of shit for the fan of lore:
“The freedom of capital to establish a monopoly of industry and trade will give political force to those engaged in industry, and that will … oppress the people.”

Posted by: name | Mar 10 2005 20:14 utc | 42

Data fitting the subject, CNN money:
American household wealth hits new high

In its quarterly “Flow of Funds” report, the central bank said household balance sheet values rose to $48.53 trillion in the fourth quarter, up from $46.59 trillion in the third quarter.

Higher values for real estate, equities and mutual funds led the net wealth gains in the fourth quarter, the Fed said.

For 2004 as a whole, the Fed said non-financial debt rose 8.5 percent compared to 8.0 percent in 2003.
Household debt grew 9.4 percent in the fourth quarter after a 11.5 percent expansion in the earlier period. The Fed said the deceleration reflected slower growth in mortgage debt and consumer credit.
Household debt increased 11 percent for 2004 as a whole, compared to a 10 percent gain in 2003, the Fed said.

All is fine, but the “wealth” described here is BOOK VALUE that may or may not be there tomorrow. I did know a lot of “wealthy” people in 2000 who will never be “wealthy” again.
The debt is real debt. It will have to be payed (or defaulted). And when debt increases by 11% per year, while real wages are even dropping a bit there is something deeply wrong.

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2005 20:40 utc | 43

Recently called up our mortgage banker to ask to refinance from an adjustable rate to a [b]fixed rate[/b]. He didn’t understand the ‘peace of mind’ motivation, but I insisted. Turns out that our monthly payment will go down significantly as well. Since Fed rates had been creeping up, I didn’t understand how that could be possible until I realized that the appraisal showed the house value had gone up by an additional 200k in the year since we purchased, increasing the ‘virtual’ down payment on the refinance. We settle Monday.

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 10 2005 22:18 utc | 44

i live beyond my means at no fixed adress. week by week. house & cars & other things i have never nor am ever likely to possess. i will go to a poor mans grave but i have walked this earth & i have known giants often themselves without a franc to call their own
interests rates etc – while iunderstand them are like a form of pure metaphysics for me. my theology is a week by week propsition & hs been so for the vast majority of my fifty years
there is east & west north & south up & down & where i am

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 10 2005 22:32 utc | 45

The real bubble that could burst is in hedge fund and derivatives. Thats where the bubble money from 2000 went. You can only pass money back and forth stealing from each other and building up a mountain of shit before it collapses.
Again, for the hundredth time, real estate in the US will not collapse on a large scale. Sorry Jerome. While there is some speculation and over capacity, debt, etc, the US has to many people coming here and to many people wanting homes. The boomers are buying second homes, and the first millenials are just ready to graduate from college. That another 70 million people. If there is a bubble, its on the coast, not in the midwest or plains state where population is fairly stable and the people are moving from in droves. Anyway, a bubble in realty would pop real slow unless the economy just outright collapses.
The Japanese and India are stupid for selling dollars because their getting less money. They just took a big write off. The dollar will stabilize and climb as interest rates go up.
The next question up line was, will the country crash with a load of debt. No. The US will find a way with other central bankers to prop up the system. There may be some disruptions, but it will suvive. The real threat to the US is the long term trade deficit. If we aren’t making anything, not creating wealth, that becomes a problem.
On survival, if the system does collapse, which it could if the stars line up the right way, I am a country boy who can do about anything. And if i can’t, I have a relative that can. My wife has seven sisters and fives brother and I have knowledgable family. Hell, we may just start our own little militia to protect our shit. HA, HA.
There, have at it.

Posted by: jdp | Mar 10 2005 22:47 utc | 46

Jim Grant in an OpEd in todays NYT:
Five Years Later and Still Floating

TODAY marks the fifth anniversary of the peak of the great millennial stock market. What were you doing when the lights began to dim? Were you a bull or a bear? Rich or otherwise?

Booms and busts are recurrent in history and in nations. In not every episode was there a culpable central bank. But in virtually every case, there was a clever neighbor. The unbearable sight of a neighbor getting rich in the stock market in the late 1990’s made millions of Americans bipolar. Shopping at Wal-Mart, they would pay any price except full retail. Investing in the stock market, however, they would pay nothing but.

Picture an artful consumer settling into a discounted hotel room for the night. Now try to imagine this savvy individual formulating a calculated financial decision to make a meal of the $10 cashews and the $6 candy bars on sale in the hotel minibar. That was Wall Street a half decade ago.
And, to a lesser but still striking degree, it is still Wall Street today – and Main Street, too. The Federal Reserve did not stand idly by after the bubble burst. It radically reduced the interest rate it controls (the so-called federal funds rate), pushing it from 6.5 percent in May 2000 to 1 percent by June 2003. Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the Fed, had worried about a stock market bubble as early as 1995, had warned against “irrational exuberance” in 1996, and batted around the possibility that there might, indeed, be a stock-market bubble in discussions with his Federal Reserve colleagues as late as 1999.
But he was not the man to stick a pin in the bubble. Indeed, he himself became a vociferous booster of the “New Economy.” In a speech he gave only four days before the Nasdaq touched its high, he sounded as if he were working for Merrill Lynch, cheering that “the capital spending boom is still going strong.”

To hear Mr. Greenspan tell it in 1999, post-bubble damage control was as simple as cutting interest rates. He passed lightly over the possible consequences of the rates he cut. The list so far includes a bubble-like housing market (geographically localized but ferocious), an overheated debt market (this one spans the globe) and a steady depreciation in the foreign exchange value of the dollar.

Ultra-low interest rates not only serve to inflate the value of bonds, stocks and real estate. They also entice investors in those assets to employ the elixir called “leverage.” Leverage means debt. Borrowing at 2.5 percent, a speculator can invest at 3 percent and still make a handsome living – if he or she can be sure when 2.5 percent might be raised to 2.75 percent or 3 percent.
The Fed is happy to oblige. Forswearing the element of surprise in its policy actions, it has told the market exactly what it proposes to do. Paying close attention, professional investors, including thousands of hedge funds, have borrowed fearlessly. A little fear would help to improve the quality of financial stewardship.

Posted by: b | Mar 10 2005 22:59 utc | 47

if the ruling class of all the countries in the world, specifically the [US] European and Japanese protectorates, could feel satisfied
… hungry ghosts …
thanks for the warning on the US’ very possessive attitude to its citizens and their money… luckily I am not one. not until the US invades or otherwise annexes the UK, anyway.

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 10 2005 23:54 utc | 48

Good graphs, and scary.
@ Coleman:
n the meantime, arrogant fools on the left will be cheering the fire expecting it to cleanse the World of Capitalism, ushering in some unspecified Utopia.
Thanks for that one. I’ll go to the weenie roast laughing!

Posted by: FlashHarry | Mar 11 2005 0:30 utc | 49

Greenspeak disagree with Jeromes assessment. Quoted from AP Business: “The resolution of our current account deficit and household debt burdens does not strick me as overly worrysome, but that is certainly not the case for our fiscal deficit” Greenspan said.
Also, “A destabilizing contraction in nationwide house prices does not seem the most probable outcome”, he said. Greenspeak said housing prices do not constitute a bubble, and that current fiscal and deficit problem would be worked out in a “orderly fashion.”
As I said above, the central bankers will figure a way to scam their way out of the situation.
Is he delusional or does he know ,ore than he lets on? He was speaking to the CFR. If there ever was a insiders club, the CFR is it.

Posted by: jdp | Mar 11 2005 0:41 utc | 50

@DeAnander (and a couple of others): I am in similar circumstances in terms of upbringing [debt=bad],current age and habits, etc. And I have found myself thinking similarly about survival strategies. If the housing market falls apart, I’ll be ok because I’ve never taken a second mortgage or equity loan or any of that other BS. In my formative years I lived in South Asia for a couple of years and it changed my concept of consumption and what it takes to be satisfied. But the thing that stymies me is, if one has been a highly atypical American and saved a lot (relatively, anyway) in mostly cash…what happens if the dollar collapses? Are we just as screwed as all these hyper-consuming debt-laden compatriots?

Posted by: Maxcrat | Mar 11 2005 1:19 utc | 51

maxcrat – you might want to put your money into euros (see “everbank” of st. louis for retail-level accounts in foreign denominated currencies – as little as $2500 for a deposit account (no interest), $10,000 for a certificate of deposit (paltry interest – 1%))
and you can buy mutual funds that specialize in foreign stocks
good luck

Posted by: mistah charley | Mar 11 2005 4:14 utc | 52

@maxcrat But the thing that stymies me is, if one has been a highly atypical American and saved a lot (relatively, anyway) in mostly cash…what happens if the dollar collapses? Are we just as screwed as all these hyper-consuming debt-laden compatriots?
yes, well, money in the bank is only as good as the bank (and as the current exchange rates). so if the banking system goes Flop, even the “good little frugal saver” loses everything. even real estate can be a mixed blessing, as there is property tax to pay on it, and if you have lost all your capital you don’t have anything to pay the property tax with. then the Gummint can take your land away and sell it at a knockdown price to the wealthy person who was able to weather the storm better than the “little people”.
I don’t know how to “win” when an economy goes into full nosedive mode — other than to be an organised criminal. I just moved a few $K to my Canadian bank account but if the US buck steps off the high dive surely it will take the loonie with it.

Posted by: DeAnander | Mar 11 2005 5:35 utc | 53

@ Name, 3:14 PM

I agree with you in general, but what the heck are you talking about when you complain about Microsoft? The IT industry in the U.S. and Europe basically exists because of Microsoft; it’s another bubble which, unfortunately, will probably never pop.

Corporate IT likes to claim that companies need software which is only available on Windows, but that isn’t really true; generally, techs who think Windows has an exclusive lock on software are either lying or haven’t done their homework. The real reason—and I left IT as a career because I couldn’t handle the dishonesty of it, which is frequently quite blatant—is that unreliable technology makes the IT department indispensible, and the IT people know it. You should never give a monkey the key to a banana plantation, and you should never let an IT person choose a technology, because the IT person’s goal will not be to find a good technology, it will be to bind the technology, in some way, to the IT department.

A Unix or Linux machine will basically run forever with practically no maintenance if properly set up. A Mac used to crash periodically but avoid serious problems, but now is just another Unix variant with a pretty face. Windows, though—

First you need antivirus software. Then you need a Firewall, because the antivirus software is always a step behind the latest viruses, and the Firewall won’t be a cheap, reliable piece of hardware, but a specially configured Windows PC, because, the IT department will assure you, hardware-based firewalls aren’t as flexible. And then you need to keep buying new versions of Office, because you’re running Windows in order to use Office (and your IT department didn’t tell you about OpenOffice.org, or Office:Mac). And you need to upgrade Windows every so often to keep up with Office. And you need to buy more RAM and larger hard drives to run Windows. And you’ll need a completely new PC every two or three years, because that’s cheaper and easier than upgrading all the components individually and you need faster and faster processors to run later versions of Office and Windows. And you’ll want to have training, so that your employees can create badly-formatted documents in Word and boring presentations in PowerPoint and still not understand how to copy and paste correctly. Then you’ll want some corporate spyware—much easier to implement if you’re using Microsoft mail servers and web proxies, naturally—because trained employees with Internet connections are going to spend their time looking at the Internet and doing personal e-mail unless you stop them. And you have to keep installing patches for Windows, because otherwise the e-mail that gets through the Firewall will spread viruses, and of course you can’t update without testing the updates first, which has to be done by the IT department because nobody else knows what sorts of problems to look for. And of course, with this huge avalanche of tasks, the IT department will need one employee for every fifty machines (the number is more like one for every 200 with Macs or Linux), and more space for all the employees, and offices for the supervisors because now they have a great big department with a great big budget.

So don’t blame Microsoft; they’re doing a tremendous job for IT, better than any other group out there.

Posted by: Blind Misery | Mar 11 2005 7:01 utc | 54

So, are we experiencing schadenfreude because Greenspan and others are inept and greedy? Would we feel better if things worked smoothly? The contradictions of capitalism will continue and with each crisis will come more losses for workers and consumers. The dot-com bubble of investment is being mirrored by the mortgage-backed bubble of consumption. With the way things stand right now, any economic dislocation or collapse will only lead to more inequality. You may be the exception to your peers by clever financial moves, but you’ll still be on the short end.
The more fundamental issue is happiness and community. Whether your bank statement will be denominated in dollars or euros won’t matter in the world they have planned for you.

Posted by: biklett | Mar 11 2005 8:04 utc | 55

Another niece analyse – the US markets are lagging the world markets:
Monetary Deception and Spin Fools the Public – Not the Stock Market

There is a symbiotic relationship between the stock market and most middle class citizens. When the stock market does well, citizens feel wealthy, they favor corporate America, they support policies that also favor corporate America, and they believe and respect the opinions of those who completely favor the “free market” and are opposed to any public assistance to the pubic. They spend in excess, borrow too much, and this is called “economic stimulation.” The typical attitude of many middle class Americans is, ”What’s good for corporate America and the stock market, is good for me. Hey, the stock market and my house are going up in price, aren’t they? America is the land of opportunity, isn’t it? Hey, if you are working in Wal-Mart, it’s your problem! Wal-Mart is a great corporation! Hooray for me, and …”

Mark Haynes, a financial TV personality, jokingly refers to Europeans as “socialists.” The not too subtle message is leave corporate America alone – what’s good for business is good for America, and the success of our stock market confirms his point on a daily basis. (Or so it seems.)

As the [US stock market] charts below clearly show, after a period of market leadership that lasted from mid 1994 to 1999, followed by a period of neutrality until the first quarter of 2003, the US market is now being outperformed by the rest of the developed world. The distinct trend … has been in place for over 2 years is that the US stock market is lagging world markets. This warrants serious attention.

The underperformance of US markets goes largely unnoticed in the media, yet it is likely to become more important in the future. When (and if) the world wide bull market in stocks ends, it is likely that the lagging stock market indices will fall the soonest.

Are our free market policies working? Based on stock market performance, may be not as well as many people think!

Posted by: b | Mar 11 2005 9:02 utc | 56

Let me hype a website.
Sometime I point to articles by Jim Puplava. Jérôme took some charts in this thread from Puplava’s last piece.
Puplava runs an investment consulting business and, to aquire clients, started a free economy information site with expert commentary in 2001. The site is http://www.FinancialSense.com
It has four main features:
1. Daily commentary in a Market Wrapup by different experts; (one cited in my last comment). The good ones are by Jim Puplava himself (Monday), Martin Goldberg (Thursday) and Mike Hartman (Wednesday). Tuesday and Friday commentary is more pure technical analysis – TA is always fine to look at, but not reliable to follow.
2. A downloadable weekend radio show with market analysis, interviews with authors (like Jim Rogers, Marc Faber and Lutz Kleverman) and round tables;
Sometimes commentary by Jim Puplava in that show gets political, esp. before elections. He is a “reality-based” republican and does not hide it. But besides this his economic analyse is spot on. It is based a bit in Austrian/libertarian economic views, but never gets into the wingnuttery.
3. Lots of current articles on the economy from a very diverse goup of authors; some are wingnuts, some are good thinkers, some liberal, some international.
4. Lots of special sections and market informations. You may want to check the ones on Energy, Raw Materials and the Fed
The best writings are Puplava’s storm watch series.
I follow that site since early 2002 and listen to the radio show each weekend. It has given me some good insights, good investment ideas and it was usually much earlier than others in detecting trends.
Disclaimer: I have NO relation with Puplava or his business.

Posted by: b | Mar 11 2005 9:57 utc | 57

That’s a nice site b. Going straight on my visit list. Pity they have no RSS feeds!

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 11:03 utc | 58

@Blind Misery –
i was talking about the predatory ‘business’ practice of big companies and used microsoft and oracle as examples. microsoft of course generated a whole industry of people making good money out of correcting unnecessary software errors for the best part of a whole generation. make-do instead of genuine innovation. i have some deep problems with this way of making business. makes me think of the US army stating (correctly) that fallujah is now a pacified place.
i hope your long rant was meant to be a cynics view of what M$ does.

Posted by: name | Mar 11 2005 11:04 utc | 59

I bet the Japanese never thought that the property bubble there in the late 1980s was going to pop either, but it did:
“Japan provides a nasty warning of what can happen when bubbles burst. Japanese property prices have dropped for 13 consecutive years, by a total of 35% from their peak in 1991. Yet the 36% rise in real house prices in Japan in the seven years to 1991 was actually less than the increase over the past seven years in all but one of the eight countries listed above where prices appear overvalued [America, Australia, Britain, France, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Spain].”
“Taking the average ratio of house prices to incomes in 1975-2000 as a baseline, American house prices are now almost 30% overvalued.”
The property bubble is global, which is what makes it so scary. Worst-hit will be the UK.
Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Ineluctable | Mar 11 2005 12:12 utc | 60

Sure, but house prices are high for different reasons in different places. Irish house prices have risen rapidly partly because the economy here has grown massively over the last ten years. It’s also inflated by speculation to a certain extent, and by people making buying decisions that they probably shouldn’t make: they’ve bought houses based on the maximum payments they can make at current interest rates, so if interest rates go up they’re going to be screwed a bit. We have a young population looking for homes so there’s lots of demand, and we have a lot of people immigrating and and returning from emigration. There are sound reasons for house prices rises, plus a bit of speculative froth. Given the tax regime here, it would be easy enough for the government to support house prices by diddling with the tax incentives for investors and such things. I suspect the situation in Spain is similar, while the prices in France are probably being pushed up by Americans fleeing the US.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 12:33 utc | 61

Yes, b, thanks for the link. I recommend this. It’s not all doom and gloom.

Thoughts on a Second Great Depression by M.A. Nystrom
Just as the Great Depression came as the final break in the transformation of the US from an agricultural to an industrial economy, the second great depression can be seen as the line of demarcation between the industrial age and the age of a knowledge based economy. From this perspective, the looming depression should be seen as an opportunity, not a disaster. Humanity must transform and change its course of development away from the path of inevitable destruction through consumption, and seek new ways of living and interacting with each other and its environment. The American economy doesn’t manufacture as much as it used to (that seems to be China’s job now), but American ideas still power the world, from the automobile to computers to the internet. The world still looks to America for the most innovative ideas. To make our way out of the depression, we’re going to have to think our way out. (This is why I encourage you to turn off the TV and think!)

Posted by: beq | Mar 11 2005 13:31 utc | 62

Colman – Do you have any idea of the realities for Americans to emigrate to Ireland?

Posted by: beq | Mar 11 2005 13:36 utc | 63

Sure, but house prices are high for different reasons in different places.
Sure, but when interest rates rise, everyone will be affected.
Prices in the UK are so inflated that even “nice” middle-class people have been lying about their income streams on their mortgage applications (those invisible lodgers bringing in an additional thousand a month in invisible rent) in order to be able to buy even for non-speculative purposes.
In the UK prices have been inflated by reducing house building – at its lowest since the 1920s – although that didn’t stop construction of fancy flats for speculators in London’s Docklands.
The biggest sign that the market is tapped out is that the deputy prime minister (in charge of housing policy) now wants to build low-cost homes to keep the debt bubble going, government having eschewed involvement in the sector for years. The north-south skew of economic activity in the UK has also fuelled the boom in London (25% of GDP, economy bigger than Finland), and that has had knock-on effects, infecting not only the rest of the country, but also fuelling price rises in other parts of the euro area, especially Spain, France.
What I object to is speculation in basic commodities such as housing. Speculate in non-essentials if you like, but everyone needs somewhere to live and everyone, including those whose interests were never going to be served by astronomical prices, will suffer when the crash comes.

Posted by: Ineluctable | Mar 11 2005 13:55 utc | 64

I don’t think it’s too hard to get in here Beq: economy is growing, so we need workers, and at least Americans tend to speak some sort of English. The main problem is the funky work permit system here: you need a company to sponsor you for a work permit, and it’s hard to change jobs. Other than work permits, you’ll be welcome and there shouldn’t be any problems. Assuming you’re white or whitish. If you’re radically non-white you’ll have standard issue racism to deal with.
Details at http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/working_in_ireland/work_visas_authorise.html
There is talk of modernising all this nonsense, because the whole thing is a mess, but that’ll take a while. We’re not really used to immigration here yet. The problem until recently was everyone leaving.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 14:14 utc | 65

Prices in the UK are so inflated that even “nice” middle-class people have been lying about their income streams on their mortgage applications (those invisible lodgers bringing in an additional thousand a month in invisible rent) in order to be able to buy even for non-speculative purposes.

Same in Ireland: I think we confused our bank manager by not lying and by buying well within our payment capability.
The really entertaining thing here is that the banks have been securing their money by getting guarantees from parents or (worse) by getting the parents to remortgage part of their homes to finance their children’s homes. So, if/when things go bad, not only will you lose your home, your parents are in trouble too. Excellent thinking.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 14:34 utc | 66

Thanks, Colman. I am trying to find the most viable escape hatch should I need one. I have friends in Cork and I actually got the job I have now through their help. My obstacles would be age and relearning the metric thing. Last is least.

Posted by: beq | Mar 11 2005 15:09 utc | 67

beq,
About ten years ago there was a sentimental movement among Irish-Americans to claim [dual] Irish citizenship via Irish ancestry. Might it be a possiblity for you? It is how I will get my child out of the country in the event of a draft.

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 11 2005 15:17 utc | 68

Age shouldn’t really be an issue, as far as I know.
You might want to move further from the evil empire though. Ireland suffers from sharing a common language and too many people with the US, so the darkness in the US will leak in here. We already have a nasty minority free-market party calling a lot of the shots in a coalition with a pretty ideology free “we just want to be in power” party.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 15:31 utc | 69

DeAnander,
Why do you rarely mention solar as an alternative fuel source? It doesn’t require huge windmills/dedicated land acreage as wind power. I have even heard of individual homeowners who used solar energy to sell back electricity to their local power companies; and I’ve heard that some rural south american communities have harnessed solar power with the aid of donated solar cells from non-profits. It seems a lot more promising than even biofuel.

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 11 2005 15:36 utc | 70

“You might want to move further from the evil empire though. Ireland suffers from sharing a common language and too many people with the US, so the darkness in the US will leak in here. We already have a nasty minority free-market party calling a lot of the shots in a coalition with a pretty ideology free “we just want to be in power” party.”
LOL! Sounds like Colman might emigrate to France or Norway!

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 11 2005 15:43 utc | 71

Mmmmm, France. I could be persuaded.
It won’t get that bad: the main party, Fíanna Fáil is pretty much left-of-center in so far as it has an ideology, but that’s less important than keeping power to them. So they’ll go into government with Labour in a heartbeat if that’s what it take to keep them there, and too much of this free-market stuff will get them turfed straight out of power. The Taoiseach (Prime Minister) referred to himself as a socialist over Christmas, which was pretty funny, but means he thinks the wind is blowing in that direction.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 15:50 utc | 72

Gylangirl,
solar panels are not energy efficient in a life-cycle analysis (or so I have been told by life-cycle analysists). It still cost more energy to create them then they yield. Of course they are still useful for transporting energy as once created they can power stuff that thus need not to be wired to a grid. Also they have usually a rather poisoneus production process.
However, thermal solar power yields more then they cost, but is rather inefficient in monetary terms compared to nuclear/fossile.
Oh, the question was directed at DeAnander. Well, I guess I will let him answer it then 😛

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Mar 11 2005 16:06 utc | 73

gylangirl – shhhhh. My ancestry is Swedish/Danish and memories are long in Ireland. 😉

Posted by: beq | Mar 11 2005 16:07 utc | 74

Well, given that Dublin is a Viking city, you’re safe enough here. The people in Cork might not be so forgiving.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 16:15 utc | 75

I thought newer solar panels were positive on life-cycle?

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 16:16 utc | 76

With current prices, solar energy is still 10 times more expensive than wind power, so it will be a while before it makes economic sense, however fast the “cheap” energy becomes more pricey, as it should.
Wibnd does not take so much space, and certanly no “dedicated acreage”. You just need a few square yards around the mast and an access road but otherwise farmland can keep on being farmes around them as it was before, so the impact on land is minimal.
The only “real” impact these days is visual, but (i) in many places it’s actually quite spectacular and (ii) it’s really a small cost to pay for a really cleaner – and already pretty cheap – form of energy.
With current natural gas prices, wind is already competitive against gas-fired plants – without taking into account carbon emissions, depletion, geopolitical risk, etc…

Posted by: Jérôme | Mar 11 2005 16:28 utc | 77

@Coleman. So… Fianna Fail is more left than Labour?

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 11 2005 17:01 utc | 78

Gylangirl: Hah. No. Unless you’re being trying to be nasty to Labour.
No, Labour would be a reasonably lefty social democrat party I guess.

Posted by: Colman | Mar 11 2005 17:20 utc | 79

I’m just saying, if the US Democrats were to abandon their left of center principles and coalition with the more left Greens, I wouldn’t be complaining….

Posted by: gylangirl | Mar 11 2005 21:41 utc | 80

“Senor, senor, I can see that painted wagon,
I can smell the tail of the dragon.
Can’t stand the suspense anymore.
Can you tell me who to contact here, senor?
Well, the last thing I remember before I stripped and kneeled
Was that train load of fools bogged down in a magnetic field.
A gypsy with a broken flag and a flashing ring
Said, “Son, this ain’t a dream no more, it’s the real thing.”
bob dylan senor (tales of yankee power)

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Mar 11 2005 22:11 utc | 81

China, Greenspan rub salt in dollar wound

The US dollar was struggling near a two-month low against the euro on Friday as the market braced for fresh trade data that were likely to show a further widening of the trade gap. As if this weren’t trouble enough for the besieged greenback, US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan stirred up the market Thursday night saying foreign investors would reduce their US asset holdings at some point, while new findings came to light that China is indeed doing so.
Saying he is not “overly” concerned about the record US trade gap or heavy consumer debt, Greenspan said the budget deficit gives him the shivers. The US current account deficit widened to a record US$164.7 billion from July through September, the most recent figures available, equivalent to 5.6% of gross domestic product (GDP). “Our current account deficit and household debt burdens do not strike me as overly worrisome, but that is certainly not the case for our fiscal deficit,” Greenspan told the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. “Our fiscal prospects are, in my judgment, a significant obstacle to long-term stability, because the budget deficit is not readily subject to correction by market forces that stabilize other imbalances.”
According to the high priest of finance, international investors have only modestly shifted their portfolios away from dollar assets so far. But he warned that they might at some point decide their portfolios are too dollar-centric, ominously adding that if the dollar keeps dropping, foreign exporters may start looking elsewhere.
Greenspan’s comments came close on the heels of Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi’s startling remark on Thursday that Japan needs to diversify its foreign-exchange reserves, reviving fears of Asian central banks cutting their giant dollar reserves. Any move by Japan, which has the largest foreign-exchange reserve in the world ($840 billion), to reduce its dollar holdings could be disastrous for the greenback. The dollar has already been dropping against the yen for four straight weeks now. Koizumi’s statement, though later qualified by his finance minister, will only prolong the agony.
US dollars accounted for 63.8% of the world’s currency reserves at the end of 2003, down from 66.9% two years earlier, according to International Monetary Fund (IMF) figures released last April. A survey this January commissioned by the Royal Bank of Scotland Plc and conducted by London-based Central Banking Publications Ltd showed that central banks across the world were boosting euro holdings. Almost 70% of the 56 central banks surveyed said they had increased exposure to the euro.
Citing a more recent finding, Asia Times Online reported on Thursday (Dollar catching Asian flu) that Asian central banks have been quietly switching their dollar holdings to regional currencies for at least three years now. A study by the Bank of International Settlements (BIS), which acts as a bank for the world’s central banks, shows that the ratio of dollar deposits held in Asian offshore reserves declined to 67% in September, down from 81% in the third quarter of 2001. India was the biggest seller, reducing its dollar assets from 68% of total reserves to just 43%. China, which directly links the yuan to the dollar and is under US pressure to allow a freer movement of its currency, trimmed the dollar share from 83% to 68% over the same period.
Bloomberg reported on Friday that according to an estimate by Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc, China’s central bank has been cutting the share of its currency reserves held in dollars and replenishing them with euros. Some 76% of China’s reserves were in dollars last year, down from 82% in 2003, said Lehman, the fifth-largest US securities firm.
There has been debate in China on whether it at all needs such a huge foreign-exchange reserve. China’s forex chief, Guo Shuqing, a member of the National Committee of the China Political Consultative Conference (CPCC) and director general of the State Administration for Foreign Exchange Management (SAFEM), said that as an item of international payments, the growth of the foreign-exchange reserve is the result of the macroeconomic operation, but not the objective China is particularly pursuing. An adequate foreign-exchange reserve is favorable for payment abilities, comprehensive national power and creditworthiness, reducing risks of reform and safeguarding financial security, he said.
Guo pointed out, however, that excessive growth could be detrimental. In a rare and stern warning against the inflow of speculative funds, or “hot money”, in the name of investment, he told local governments not to lure foreign investment “haphazardly”. Regulators have been playing down the amount and impact of hot money over the past year, but Guo said China might see “no end of trouble in the future” unless local governments are acutely aware of risk mitigation in soaking in foreign funds.
“China pays great attention to speculative funds,” Guo said in an interview with Xinhua on the sidelines of the annual session of the National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, China’s top advisory body. “Foreign-exchange administration departments and other macroeconomic departments are investigating the issue and will punish illegal activities severely.”
China’s foreign-exchange reserve added as much as $206.7 billion last year alone. Guo said the overall inflow of capital is “normal and legal” and reflects the “market scenario”, but there are also some “worrisome” problems. “Fake foreign investment” is actually being used to purchase yuan-denominated assets and commercial housing on speculative purpose, he noted. Hot money has pushed housing prices to a very high level, making cities look “prosperous” but doing no good to the investment climate, as it leads to higher living and business costs. Typically, this means great risks for local financial institutions, enterprises and even individuals. When the real-estate bubble bursts, they will suffer from huge losses, Guo said. Hot money has also sneaked into China under capital accounts or based on no real trade, he claimed.
Guo said China’s foreign-exchange reserve, second only to Japan’s, is quite enough to pay the country’s debts. But its debts in foreign currency may snowball to an amount that engenders “systematic risks”. He revealed that newly added foreign-exchange reserves last year include $60.6 billion in foreign direct investment, $32 billion in trade surplus, $30 billion from foreign-exchange clearing under the account of imports and exports by enterprises, $35 billion in foreign debts, more than $10 billion in service trade surplus, $30 billion in individual asset transfer and earnings being brought about, and more than $10 billion in securities investment, among others.
Mountains of foreign-exchange reserves have long been an excuse used by some countries, especially the United States, to demand appreciation of the yuan, which now floats against the US dollar within a narrow band. But Premier Wen Jiabao reiterated in his government work report last week that China would keep the yuan “basically stable”.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Mar 11 2005 23:57 utc | 82

US report acknowledges peak-oil threat.
“The development of the US economy and lifestyle has been fundamentally shaped by the availability of abundant, low-cost oil. Oil scarcity and several-fold oil price increases due to world oil production peaking could have dramatic impacts … the economic loss to the United States could be measured on a trillion-dollar scale.”

Posted by: Peak oil | Mar 12 2005 7:07 utc | 83

Cuban economic recovery working

Posted by: Che Lives! | Mar 12 2005 11:58 utc | 84

i think there is 2 much infrmastion this stinke

Posted by: deborah white | May 17 2005 11:03 utc | 85

I like your compilation of data and trends. I found it while searching for “software errors” derivatives “hedge funds” om Google.
The modern electronic trading system is more like “electronic warefare” since the bigger outfits have “programmed trading” to try to eek-out profits. Trades are executed without -and before- human knowledge. And we are expected to compete with this, say by day-trading. Remember when “programmed trading” tied to the Japanese tax system gave us the Oct 1987 debacle?
I think a catastrophe is in the making. Especially if you have followed the derivative conference (search under Edgar Corrigan for a quick find) and the Germans trying to warn Wall Street this week (search under “scared as hell”).
I agree with your first commentator, Lupin, because “serious economic dislocation has political consequences”. Remember, Hitler was elected!
Thanx agin’, Hasan

Posted by: Hasan Hussein | Sep 22 2005 20:31 utc | 86