Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 22, 2005
“They Talk About Planes and Bananas”

I was going to write a longer post on the topic of Bush’s visit to Brussels, but I’ll just bring in this quote from this morning’s FT:

Sporadic applause for Bush’s European overture

Still, the Bush administration’s scepticism about Europe’s capabilities runs deep. At a recent meeting with one European diplomat, Mr Bush was dismissive of the EU. “I just go there and they talk about planes [sic] and bananas,” he said, according to one person present. Until now, trade disputes over subjects such as aircraft and agricultural projects and the occasional competition decision have been the meat and drink of the US-EU relationship.

Meanwhile, I understand that the headlines of the NYT and the LAT are only about Bush scolding Russia for its lack of democracy, so get used to it: Europe is nice and irrelevant, or a pain and irrelevant…

—(Jérôme à Paris wrote the above, Bernhard follows up)—

Sorry, my dear co-writer Jérôme is getting this wrong. We seem to have some generational differences here.

In remarks to the citizens of Mainz, Germany, President Bush actually set forth four laudable proposals:

  • To promote free elections and political pluralism through multilateral negotiation processes;
  • To concede favorable trade conditions in exchange for more "openess" of restrictive societies;
  • International cooperation and exchange of experts and expertise on vital common environmental interests;
  • A significant, multilateral reduction in general armament levels and troop concentrations.

The speech was welcomed and seen as a significant step to a more peaceful, cooperating world – and yes, I applaude it.

In case anybody is having doubts of President Bush’s words, here are excerpts from the transcript:

I set forth four proposals to heal Europe’s tragic division, to help Europe become whole and free.

First, I propose we strengthen and broaden the Helsinki process to promote free elections and political pluralism ..

.. this, then, is my second proposal: Bring glasnost to East Berlin.
.. the United States is prepared to drop the "no exceptions” standard that has guided our approach to controlling the export of technology to the Soviet Union, lifting a sanction enacted in response to their invasion of Afghanistan.

.. we have all learned a terrible lesson: Environmental destruction respects no borders.
So, my third proposal is to work together on these environmental problems, with the United States and Western Europe extending a hand to the East.

My fourth proposal, actually a set of proposals, concerns a less militarized Europe, the most heavily armed continent in the world.

A Europe Whole and Free
President George Bush, Rheingoldhalle, Mainz, Federal Republic of Germany, May 31, 1989.

Some generational differences …

Comments

(Sorry Jérôme, couldn´t resist to mix my piece to yours ;-))

when a French reporter asked Mr. Bush if relations had improved enough for him to ask Mr. Chirac to his ranch, the president did not offer an invitation, and instead joked, “I’m looking for a good cowboy.”

NYT Looking for Help in Iraq, Bush Meets With NATO Leaders
Bush II is looking for help. But I somehow have my doubts that Chirac is willing to be Bush’s good cowboy.
I didn´t like Bush I, but at least he was a reality based.

Posted by: b | Feb 22 2005 12:16 utc | 1

I don’t think Chirac is wearing the right colour hat:

French President, Mr Jacques Chirac, has endorsed a controversial call by German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder for a revamp of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation
[…]
While NATO “is and will remain a fundamental element of our security,” a briefing from the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe had given a timely reminder that “our alliance is first and foremost a military alliance,” Chirac said.
(Reuters via Irish Times)

Posted by: Colman | Feb 22 2005 13:18 utc | 2

b – good riff, as they say.
I had another story about Bush in Mainz, from the FT, with the follwoing tidbit:

In police leaflets, residents have been asked to keep their windows shut and stay clear of balconies “to avoid misunderstandings”

Can you imagine that, “misunderstandings”? I wonder if you had the same thing back in 1989…

Posted by: Jérôme | Feb 22 2005 15:16 utc | 3

Bernhard and Jerome – you wild and crazy EU-ers! – you had me there for a moment. I was all set to blast out some response to the effect of “You’ve got to be effing kidding me! You’d fall for this baloney?!”
And then I read the attribution. 😀
All kidding aside, I am quite interested in your take on how his visit is being received there, so I hope you will be elaborating in subsequent posts. Naturally, the spin here is quite positive for Bush.

Posted by: semper fubar | Feb 22 2005 15:55 utc | 4

whatever bush said: words are cheap. if they contain anything resembling truth, that would be but codewords. in such a code “democracy” means fallujah, “spreading freedom” means recolonization, “security” means militarization of the police, and so on.
what is worrying is that the “europeans” (that expensive bureaucracy in brussels) would accede to make nice with an asshole who needs a city shut down by snipers to feel safe. i think the overhyped “security” is probably more a thing of status show and fear than of any real danger, if one discounts people ridiculing the monkey. in any case the willingness of european govts to go along with the show casts a dubious light on them.

Posted by: name | Feb 22 2005 16:01 utc | 5

Now that Guckert’s out of the WH, I bet he is indeed looking for a ‘good cowboy’.

Posted by: mats | Feb 22 2005 16:20 utc | 6

Are Europeans really taking President Bush pronouncements at face value even though US corporate media still does?
Besides the periodic reports that President Bush only hears what he wants to hear and is totally surrounded by Yes underlings; there are plenty of hints that the US government is rushing head long forward to do exactly what President Bush wants without any dissent:
1) Knight Ridder reports that NASA rushes plan to send humans to moon, Mars, despite doubts among scientists, Congress,
2) Amtrak, US passenger rail system, is being forced into bankruptcy. Since it is mortgaged to the hilt including billions to European investors, 25 million riders face, at best, disruption in service including rail commuters New York, Philadelphia, Washington DC and Los Angles or, at worst, loss of an important public transportation system,
3) Scott Rider and Sy Hersch indicate a June green light to bombing of Iran, and
4) Missile Defense System continues to go forward costing billions yet the last two test were failures and the two bases built in Alaska and California have not been declared operational.

Posted by: Jim S | Feb 22 2005 16:33 utc | 7

“residents have been asked to keep their windows shut and stay clear of balconies “to avoid misunderstandings””
I think BushCo should stop watching faith-based movies like Ben Hur. Or did they actually fear people would throw him tomatoes?

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 22 2005 16:48 utc | 8

More likely, they’re afraid they might hurl insults.
And as you know, Bush can NOT tolerate any kind of dissent or disagreement. As they couldn’t figure out a way to pre-screen the entire continent of Europe for pro-Bush attendees, they had to settle for a lockdown to keep the Naked Emperor from hearing that he’s not wearing any clothes.

Posted by: semper fubar | Feb 22 2005 16:55 utc | 9

Are Europeans really taking President Bush pronouncements at face value even though US corporate media still does?
Simple answer: NO!
In Germany folks are quite mad at this lockdown and security stuff. The 7 hours in Mainz will cost Bush and the Americans half of the few sympathy points that are left.

Posted by: b | Feb 22 2005 17:31 utc | 10

Bush is a liar and lives by the lie. I would trust him any farther than I can throw my 3000 pound car. Jerome and b, hang on to your asses because Bushie is a tragedy waiting to happen and Europe shouldn’t get suck into his bullshit.
But he is not the only one getting called out. Tony, I kiss US ass, Blair is beuing called a fascist by John Major. In the Telegraph online opinion section Major seems to be calling Blair what we’ve seen with Bush. The article is called “Labours half-truths and spin are a cancer in the body politic.”
It sure sound like Blair runs under the same modis operandi as Bushie. Maybe soneone swifter than I can provide a link.

Posted by: jdp | Feb 22 2005 17:48 utc | 11

b
Europeans should treasure this moment to host this Great Man. He should be led past weeping women and walls of blaring trumpets to deliver paeans to freedom.
Little respect, man. None of us can ever have the imagination of liberty until this Great Man teaches us Freedom.
Listen. Learn.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 22 2005 17:53 utc | 12

The citizens of Mainz certainly weren’t whole and free when Bush (Junior!) visited. Not being able to go to work and having US snipers on your balcony are hardly symbols of “weaving together the slender threads of freedom.”

Posted by: Blackie | Feb 22 2005 18:11 utc | 13

Or did they actually fear people would throw him tomatoes?
Damn it CJ, ITS FLOWERS. Not tomatoes, not banannas. ITS FREAKIN FLOWERS!

Posted by: Groucho | Feb 22 2005 18:12 utc | 14

William Pfaff, gets it:
IHT: Bush policy risks terminal strain in NATO

The trans-Atlantic alliance is under what may be terminal strain. George Robertson says NATO will provide no further help to the United States in Iraq – meaning that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s principal European members refuse to let the alliance do so.
NATO might survive the present crisis, but only as a structure providing U.S. bases in ex-Communist Europe. The United States is going in one direction, and NATO’s European Union members in another, a rival direction.
This is a reluctant choice by the Europeans, but their perception of Washington has in the last two years changed dramatically. The United States is now seen in Europe as a threat to Europe’s independence. The American side does not understand this.

The Europeans simply no longer agree with the United States. They don’t agree about the terrorist threat. They don’t think Osama bin Laden is a global menace. They don’t take Washington’s view of rogue states. They don’t agree about pre-emptive war, clash of civilizations, the demonization of Islam, or Pentagon domination of U.S. foreign policy.
Such views are interpreted in the United States as “anti-Americanism.” The truth, as a leading (conservative) figure from ex-Communist “New Europe” said at one of these meetings, is that the Bush administration has turned America’s friends into anti-Americans.

He defined new anti-Americans as “former anti-anti-Americans, now forced to become anti-American themselves.” He said that in his own country, the U.S. ambassador behaves in the way the Soviet Union’s ambassador did before 1989. This simply is unacceptable.

However, they took the implications seriously. Every one of these discussions ended with the Europeans in a debate about what had to be done to put the so-called European common security and foreign policy on the road. Until now this has been a lackadaisical debate. Now, even the people from the most Atlanticist allied states, closest to the United States, shrug and say, “there’s no choice.”
Well meant appeals by American Atlanticists for U.S.-European reconciliation, such as the one issued a few weeks ago under the auspices of Washington’s Center for Strategic and International Studies, are politely received, but are irrelevant. We are past that point. That statement advised Europeans on what they should do to recapture America’s confidence, and “make the U.S. feel welcome in Europe.” It’s the other way around. It’s the Americans that have lost the Europeans’ confidence. Unless the United States can recapture it, the alliance is finished.

Posted by: b | Feb 22 2005 18:14 utc | 15

jdp’s
Major article in The Telegraph: Labour’s half-truths and spin are a cancer in the body politic

As Gladstone put it 125 years ago, our constitution depends “on the good sense and good faith of those who work it”. More specifically, our ancient system requires a respect for Parliament; strict impartiality in a Civil Service that must serve different political masters; a tolerance of opposing views; and a code of behaviour between parties that imposes restraints on how hostilities are conducted.
New Labour has undermined all these conventions. Anything goes if it serves its purpose. Its tactics have been so brilliantly effective against its political opponents that New Labour now uses them against all-comers: against critics; in relations with the Civil Service (which is why a Civil Service Act is demanded, even by senior Labour figures); and even inside Labour itself, to conduct a coup against “old” Labour.

How have they got away with it? They have abused procedures wherever they can; politicised a once-neutral Government Information Service; ignored conventions of straight and honest government; and deceived the public – even on issues of war and peace.

But the identity of the spinner is a side issue. He is merely a mercenary, a hired hand. It is not the monkey, but the organ-grinder, who makes the music. The culprit is the man who permits them to behave as they do: the Prime Minister.
It is easy to mock the Prime Minister’s depiction of himself as a “straight kind of guy”, but, to him, it is a self-portrait. Yet he employed the spinners. He knew they had form. He knew what they could – and would – do. He gave them authority.

It has led it, when criticised, to play the man and not the ball, in a reflex action that has proved a mightily effective tool in warning off critics. It is a shabby way to conduct a democratic debate. Such tactics are a cancer in the body politic. The Prime Minister cannot avert his eyes – or evade his responsibility – any longer.

Let’s hope the kick Blair out of office at the next election.

Posted by: b | Feb 22 2005 18:31 utc | 16

slothrop: Copy> 😉 and paste it somewhere you can find it easily. =)

Posted by: beq | Feb 22 2005 20:07 utc | 17

Burroughs:
Hiroshima, 1945, August 6th, 16 minutes past 8 AM
Question – Who really gave that order?
Answer – Control. The ugly American. The instrument of Control.
Question – If Control’s control is absolute, why does Control need to control?
Answer – Control needs time.
Question – Is Control controlled by its need to control?
Answer – Yes
Question – Why does Control need humans, as you call them?
Answer – Wait, wait. Time, a landing field. Death needs time like a junkie needs junk.
Question – And what does Death need time for?
Answer – The answer is so simple. Death needs time for what it kills to grow in for Ah Pook’s sake. Death needs time for what it kills to grow in for Ah Pook’s sweet sake,
you stupid, vulgar, greedy, American death sucker. …

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 22 2005 20:54 utc | 18

It won’t happen, Labour has another term in office, there is no alternative party to vote for. Vote tory and you still get the same old warmongering bastards in power – pretty depressing really and the same with most all democracies world wide.
Democracy is rapidly becoming a failed system, face it, in most elections most of the voters can’t be assed to vote, who can blame them when the choices are all so aweful and the indentikit corporate clones always win. The winning party never represents more than 20% of the total voting/non voting electorate.
Rupert Murdoch is the world leader and he annoints countries leaders, simple really if you look at the evidence.

Posted by: r | Feb 22 2005 21:23 utc | 19

r, you are right and it’s so depressing…no bloody choice…
They manage to actually destroy democracy (make it irrelevant and consequently not existent) and put us back to a slavery ( all tho modern one based on debts for life and for next generations) “without one single bullet “…fired. Incredible…
As it was already said we seem to not have a time to wait for “3rd” (or better “2nd”… or better opposition) party to make it in political arena. It shouldn’t be a problem that big from the financial point of view , thanks to modern communications ( we’ve seen what Dean managed to accomplish in short period of time). Problem is much bigger. There is no decency (morality) out there . It does not exist. Decent people are really not engaged in politic I’ll tell you. Or if they try soon they are not decent any more…or are dead (literally) …or they have to give up… There is nothing to cling to nowadays. Religions – all misused by man ( mean man of course) ! Ideologies – too. We are lucky if we manage to persuade our own children not to become criminals. And that’s hard enough cause as you see worse criminals are leading and governing countries nowadays then those that are in jail…
God help us…

Posted by: vbo | Feb 23 2005 5:14 utc | 20

@r, you’re sooooo right about Rupie Murdoch running things. I hadn’t seen it quite that way – thanks. Anyone know if he’s invaded the Continent yet?
@vbo, all Dean “accomplished” was demonstrating that the Mobsters running the party won’t let anyone who’s not part of the mob run for major office, even if he’s politically a conservative republican, in the traditionally honorable, albeit extinct, use of the term. And he demonstrated that the citizenry are furious…..C’est tout.
Now they’ve muzzled him, since head of party can only speak the official mob line as even lemming herder Kos admitted in radio interview last Fri., & shackled him to going to Pirates on bended knee begging for bucks. Oh, add to that job descripton, he’s supposed to help herd the lemmings into the party & make it even more rigid, intolerant & authoritarian, which he did immed. by ordering that MobCentral would pay all State Party Heads. The lemmings lauded this, called it “having balls”, which in their delusion is confused w/courage; but then in their delusion Dean is variously referred to as a leftie as is their fave herder in blogville.

Posted by: jj | Feb 23 2005 6:07 utc | 21

jj, I was talking financially…about Dean. Not that I have any knowledge of what happened to him later ( I can guess) or even of what he really and truly stands for.

Posted by: vbo | Feb 23 2005 6:33 utc | 22

Quote:
@r, you’re sooooo right about Rupie Murdoch running things.
***
I am not sure it’s even him. He is too much exposed and I guess there are others for hum he is playing and he became stinky rich in the process. I am only guessing.

Posted by: vbo | Feb 23 2005 6:37 utc | 23

PM DEFENDS TROOP INCREASE
Tuesday’s suprise announcement that another 450 soldiers would go to Iraq to protect Japanese engineers and train local security forces broke an election promise not to substantially increase troop numbers.

Mr McClelland said there was a risk that Australia would be dragged into a civil war in Iraq.
“We seem to be getting swept along with the tide, we have never stated what our objective is, when that objective’s going to be satisfied and when we can get out.”
“And there is a real risk that we’re going to be sucked into the quagmire of a civil war,” he said.

Posted by: vbo | Feb 23 2005 13:25 utc | 24

NYT on Bush visit in Germany:
The Germans Bush Wasn’t Able to See

Most conspicuous was the lack of contact between ordinary Germans and an American president visiting what could almost have been a stage setting: a town with buildings but no people, the shops and restaurants in the center of town closed, and only uniformed police officers on the streets.
Compare that with the main event of the first President Bush’s trip here in 1989: a speech to an enthusiastic audience of 3,500 people gathered in a flag-draped hall, thrilling to Mr. Bush’s declaration that Germany and America are more than “firm allies and friends,” they are “partners in leadership.”

..the dispute over the Iraq war awoke German citizens to something new in their relationship with the United States, an unease over the price that they might have to pay to be members of an alliance led by a figure whose instincts they distrust.
“Most Germans are still emotionally averse to what Bush stands for – going it alone, not paying attention to due process, which we love in Europe,” said Eberhard Sandschneider, the director of the German Council on Foreign Relations.
The Germans remain anxious that their country will yet be drawn into a foreign military venture by a president who, as Mr. Bush has affirmed several times so far on his European tour, keeps all options, including military action, on the table.

Posted by: b | Feb 24 2005 8:17 utc | 25