Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 24, 2005
Rude Americans

Some Europeans think Americans are rude. Americans always take their gloves off:

“All you need to know is that there was a ‘before 9/11’ and there was an ‘after 9/11.’ After 9/11, the gloves came off.”

said Cofer Black, ex-counter-terrorism chief at the C.I.A., about interrogation of suspects.

During the election campaign gloves came off too. "Bush Takes Off The Gloves" reports CBS and "Kerry Takes Off Gloves" says the Washington post.

Even ladies do it. In her new job as SecState "Rice Takes Off Gloves" remarks Rush Limbaugh. A lot of mano a mano happening in the States.

To take off the gloves is the rude American way, some Europeans may think. G.W. discussed this with Laura before landing in U.S. friendly Slovakia.

And they decided not to be rude, to behave more European and to keep the gloves on.

Gloves

While greeting President Ivan Gasparovic and Prime Minister Mikulas Dzurinda after landing in Bratislava, G.W. shook hands with them – with black leather gloves on. His gentle gloved hands also greeted the President’s and the Prime Minister’s wives.

Laura Bush also refused to be rude and kept the gloves on her manos while greeting the assembled dignitaries.

Rude behavior is reserved for more business-like relations – like with "good cowboy" Chirac or with Schroeder. Dan Froomkin’s First Name Watch:

Bush continues to publicly greet his fellow leaders by their first name — and they continue not to reciprocate.

That is rude, really rude of them! But Slovakians are friends, the Bush family thinks. It’s not just business with them, and Business Etiquette For Dummies does not apply. At least not for the Bushies.

For us dummies to remember:

If you’re wearing gloves as part of formal attire, always remove them before shaking hands (the same goes for wearing gloves outdoors — you should take them off, unless the temperature is bitterly cold).

Shame on them, maybe it will work.

Comments

Probably just another “extension” of his paranoia…

Posted by: beq | Feb 24 2005 15:41 utc | 1

Calling a statesman by his first name in public is the same as calling an associate, or a reporter, by a nickname in public–an act of unanswerable aggression. Bush is a sadist. He likes to humiliate people in front of other people, leaving them no chance to return the favor. Those “manners” are motivated, as psychologists would say.

Posted by: alabama | Feb 24 2005 15:46 utc | 2

Rudly Kos posted – please recommend there and comment here 🙂

Posted by: b | Feb 24 2005 15:58 utc | 3

I may be mistaken, perhaps Hannah K remembers, but it seems to me that Berslusconi has referred to Bush as George. If he did indeed then he gets just a little bit of respect from me.
By far the biggest slap IMO was that toward Chirac when Bush said he needed a good cowboy.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 24 2005 16:21 utc | 4

It amazes me how much of a clod Bushie can be, but then, I’m not. Bushie wants Chirac to be his bitch, just like Gannon. Come’on cowboy. We’ll have some fun with our riding chaps and horse whips.

Posted by: jdp | Feb 24 2005 16:59 utc | 5

We don’t want to win no steenkin’ hearts and minds
Why mister, why?

Posted by: Hajji-be-good | Feb 24 2005 17:35 utc | 6

The cowboy remark just shows how much of a moron W is. Even if he’s older, Chirac could probably have beaten him silly in a mano-a-mano. Unlike W – but like Kerry – he wasn’t a draft-dodger and volunteered to go to war. Of course, as with Kerry and Vietnam, it was a dirty and wrong war in Algeria, but at least he knows what it is and he saw fire up and close (and I wouldn’t be surprised if he did his share of torture, as a big part of the French troops).

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Feb 24 2005 17:40 utc | 7

Insulting and inept. However, I also see an effort to put interaction on a frat-boy level, where Bush can then -not shine! – but at least manage and garner some laughs, and well like duh avoid the a eh serious stuff.
He should be running a bowling alley. Laura could do the accounts and the twins might be roped in as a wild attraction in the teen contests.

Posted by: Blackie | Feb 24 2005 17:42 utc | 8

Keeping gloves on to shake hands in those circumstances is tantamount to taking them off, in the ‘no holds barred’ sense.

Posted by: Blackie | Feb 24 2005 17:46 utc | 9

Well, you know ‘the American style’ is so cool and casual, so down-to-earth and unpretentious, and Bush simply embodies the best (what else?) of that tradition. The snag is that they had to shut down most of the Rhein-Main area when he visited Mainz, making life pretty complicated for hundreds of thousands of people. Let’s have a casual meeting among friends in a high security prison. Never mind – indeed.

Posted by: teuton | Feb 24 2005 17:54 utc | 10

He should be running a bowling alley.
Nice one, Blackie.
Perhaps HST is our Obi Wan Kenobi – stronger now than ever.

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 24 2005 18:20 utc | 11

He should be running a bowling alley.
Nice one, Blackie.
Perhaps HST is our Obi Wan Kenobi – stronger now than ever.

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 24 2005 18:20 utc | 12

Is it just me, or is the preview function sometimes causing double posts?

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 24 2005 18:21 utc | 13

Let’s have a casual meeting among friends in a high security prison.
sometimes in my darker moments I fear that this may be what we’re all doing here…

Posted by: DeAnander | Feb 24 2005 19:06 utc | 14

Sigh.

Posted by: stoy | Feb 24 2005 21:31 utc | 15

*Peers through Judas hole at DeAnander, kicks door, makes note in notebook for prison psychiatrist (in triplicate, one copy to security section, one for file), jangles keys and saunters on down the block…….*

Posted by: Warder | Feb 24 2005 22:17 utc | 16

I kind of wonder if this isn’t a class thing. Down class people take their gloves off, while the Elites keep their gloves on?

Posted by: The Key | Feb 24 2005 22:54 utc | 17

if this isn’t a class thing
good thought – I think it is.
Feeling elite Bush has no need to be polite. Call your servants by their first name. Greet them with gloves on. Invent nicknames for the people around you.
A lot of “inherited class” view Bush is showing here.

Posted by: b | Feb 24 2005 23:14 utc | 18

I think: Archie Bunker in a cowboy hat, ‘whatever’.

Posted by: beq | Feb 24 2005 23:18 utc | 19

Wanted to post this in the open thread, but I think this more about the ‘Rude American, – from the Independent.
Putin loses his smile after lecture from Bush on democracy

President George Bush subjected Russia’s Vladimir Putin to a public lecture on the fundamentals of democracy yesterday, injecting a chill into a relationship that has – until now – been characterised by bonhomie.
Meeting in the Slovakian capital, Bratislava, Mr Bush emerged from a three-hour meeting with the Russian President joking and smiling and full of warm words. But his frequent references to “Vladimir” and the “fella” were peppered with targeted criticism of the state of democracy in Russia with which the more hawkish members of his administration are said to have lost patience.
An unsmiling, visibly irritated Mr Putin squirmed as he listened to Mr Bush tell a press conference he had been told that Washington had “concerns about Russia’s commitment in fulfilling” the “universal principles” of democracy. “Democracies always reflect a country’s customs and culture, and I know that,” Mr Bush said. “Yet democracies have certain things in common; they have a rule of law, and protection of minorities, a free press, and a viable political opposition.”

Maybe Bush should invade the US and bring them democracy – because according to his criterias they are missing there too.

Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 4:47 utc | 20

Fran. Down is Up. Putin should have smacked w on the head with his shoe.

Posted by: beq | Feb 25 2005 11:56 utc | 21

beq, what a vision – modern version of Krutchev or what his name was during the Kennedy aera.

Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 13:51 utc | 22

You got it. I’m showing my age. I remember when it happened and we all thought he was crazy. Look at US now.

Posted by: beq | Feb 25 2005 14:02 utc | 23

beq, I guess we belong to the same generation. I was actually going to school in the US when it happened. You mentioned showing your age, made me thinking. I am involved with Yoga and Vedas and all that stuff (and I love it). Along this path you also read and hear about immortal people. So, once in a while I was amusing myself by daydreaming about what it would be like to be immortal. But over the last 4 years I have become aware that being mortal can also be a grace – especially if we are at a point of history, where we do not know if we are returning to the dark ages. I at least can say, I am grateful for having been a youth during a fairly good time and at times am sorry for todays youth, as we do not know what kind of world we will leave behind for them.

Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 15:29 utc | 24

Bush’s Gloved Handshake a Slovak Faux Pas

Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 15:33 utc | 25

Fran. You know you’re getting old when you talk about “the good old days”. I just hope I can outlive these dark ages. Do you think yoga would get me through? 😉

Posted by: beq | Feb 25 2005 16:04 utc | 26

beq, yes I definitely believe Yoga would be a great help – I teach it and it is amazing what I can observe happening to people who stick with it and do it on a fairly regular basis. For my self I believe it helps me to stay fairly balanced, though there is still room for improvement. It is my source of energy and the interesting thing is, that today with 55 I am more energetic, have more endurance and am more flexible than with 25, despite also working more today. One delightful experience some of my over 40 students have, is when they can touch the floor again, while their children are to stiff to do it. But even more important it helps to calm the mind. I still get angry at what is happening in the world, but I can deal with that anger much better and I think it is due also to Yoga, which includes meditation.
Maybe, once I am finished with my current training program and have some more time I will write a diary on LS. Do you think this would be a topic of interest?

Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 16:18 utc | 27

Fran. Do it. I am the same age as you and have been thinking about signing up somewhere. I like to see a diary on it.

Posted by: beq | Feb 25 2005 17:24 utc | 28

Fran that would interesting for sure.

Posted by: Blackie | Feb 25 2005 17:31 utc | 29

Tzu-ch’in asked Tzu-kung, “When the Master arrives in a state, he invariably gets to know about its government. Does he seek this information? or is it given him?
Tzu-kung said, “The Master gets it through being cordial, good, respectful, frugal, and deferential. The way the Master seeks it is, perhaps, different from the way other men seek it.”

Confucius – Analects

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 25 2005 17:47 utc | 30