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February 24, 2005
Open (Mind) Thread
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Transcript of Ward Churchill’s Feb. 8 speech at the University of Colorado. how activism grows out of claiming a community, Posted by: Citizen | Feb 24 2005 20:05 utc | 1 I presume tenured CU faculty can just tell the university to stick it. But, untenured folks, adjuncts, TAs are screwed. Posted by: slothrop | Feb 24 2005 20:22 utc | 3 after reading the transcript from Citizen’s link I get the impression that our own r’giap and Ward Churchill might have great discussions. Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 24 2005 20:42 utc | 4 Well, I kept an open mind looking at this picture about great soulmates! Can you keep an open mind? Posted by: Fran | Feb 24 2005 20:49 utc | 5 Oh boy, Canadians will love this, hope they really have an open mind.
Posted by: Fran | Feb 24 2005 21:04 utc | 6 I have trouble with that picture Fran. I grew up practicing Civil Defense drills, hiding under desks, taking cover in fall-out shelters and being told over and over again that Russians want to kill us all. Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 24 2005 21:15 utc | 7 From todays WaPo Pentagon Seeking Leeway Overseas
1. This is a fight between Rumsfeld and Rice and I expect Rumsfeld to win. He would have world wide uncontrolled ability to kill whoever he wants to. dan of steele, Posted by: Citizen | Feb 24 2005 21:23 utc | 9 Well, Dan I have been thinking about the picture. Maybe we just project to much into it, maybe it was just a simple Man Date! Posted by: Fran | Feb 24 2005 21:24 utc | 10 fran- here’s what that pic immediately brought to mind Posted by: b real | Feb 24 2005 21:25 utc | 11 b, Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 24 2005 21:27 utc | 12 An interesting piece from Chris Floyd. Posted by: DM | Feb 24 2005 21:37 utc | 13 why ‘we’ may not be able to stop them. Posted by: slothrop | Feb 24 2005 21:46 utc | 14 I’m sitting here watching an RTÉ show about the Chechen conflict. Pooty-poot might not be inviting them over for dinner any time soon. If I were a Christian, I’d have to guess that Christ wouldn’t continence lying about His Father’s breathtakingly beautiful handiwork. I don’t think I’d be able to stand by silently while people deceived their fellow Christians and counseled them to disregard His ingenuity and His scientific skill. I wouldn’t guess Christ would like folks dissing the fact that God is the most brilliant scientist imaginable, who created an ancient and vast cosmos full of splendors. A Creator who employed complex processes such as evolution, geology, astrophysics, and chemistry, operating over oceans of time, unfolding through countless steps, to produce this glorious Star studded Universe and ourselves, is a God worthy of worship. I would happily point out the caliber of scientist and artist God is, and note how His scientific capability far exceeds the scope of the most gifted intellects among mankind. I’d explain that God can Create however He Chooses to Create. Posted by: Citizen | Feb 24 2005 22:17 utc | 16 BTW, that link is not just about science – e.g., Posted by: Citizen | Feb 24 2005 22:21 utc | 17 Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 24 2005 22:56 utc | 18 Krispy Kreme announces criminal probe Posted by: Is nothing sacred? | Feb 24 2005 23:47 utc | 19 Anglican Church asks U.S. and Canada to leave Posted by: Back to fundamentals | Feb 24 2005 23:50 utc | 20 @CP – those contracts will change nothing. The US is loosing in Iraq on a scale not seen since Hitler lost in Stalingrad. Robb has some hints and it is obvious that there is no chance of “winning” in Iraq. The question is only how to minimize the damage now. That will be a hard nut to crack. U.S. says ‘thousands’ of missiles missing Posted by: Blowback | Feb 25 2005 0:07 utc | 23 PRIMATES TO BE SURE, BUT NOT OF THE HIGHER ORDER APPARENTLY Posted by: Groucho | Feb 25 2005 0:41 utc | 24 Citizen: Many thanks for the Churchill speech link. First, I thought it would “never get rolling”, then I simply couldn’t put it down! Posted by: JMF | Feb 25 2005 1:04 utc | 25 Citizen: Many thanks for the Churchill speech link. First, I thought it would “never get rolling”, then I simply couldn’t put it down! Posted by: JMF | Feb 25 2005 1:04 utc | 26 That photo of Dubya and Pooty makes me think that maybe rapt has a point about ETs taking over at the top… Posted by: DeAnander | Feb 25 2005 1:05 utc | 27 “Do I, Rummy, actually ever know anything? Of course I don’t.” Posted by: OkieByAccident | Feb 25 2005 1:06 utc | 28 Excellent link Okie. Thanks – because I don’t have the stomach to follow Rummy’s denials from day to day. I’m glad somebody else has that job. Now who will take it to the next level and ask in a public way why this asshole hasn’t been impeached. OK if not him then his boss. Posted by: rapt | Feb 25 2005 3:25 utc | 29 @De Posted by: rapt | Feb 25 2005 3:44 utc | 30 translating rummy: “i don’t know” –> “i don’t care… now leave me be so i can get back to killing people and maximizing my portfolio.” Posted by: b real | Feb 25 2005 4:03 utc | 31 In psychology this is called projection. Bush warns Russian leader to respect democratic values – US president acknowledges ties with Russia have weakened
b real, thanks for the cartoon. Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 4:22 utc | 32 Fran, that is one creepy photo. But it’s interesting how the emptiness in Bush’s eyes is different from the emptiness in Putin’s. W looks like he’s hiding the underlying insecurity of the bully; Putin just looks dead. Posted by: Leslie in CA | Feb 25 2005 4:28 utc | 33 Sydney Blumenthal in the Guardian: Lost in Europe – President Bush has reached a dead end in his foreign policy, but he has failed to recognise his quandary
Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 4:36 utc | 34 Leslie, I agree with you, the scary part is, that these two empty shills are two of the most powerful men in the world. However, Bush to me doesn’t look to me so much like hidding the bully, as trying to hide the vast empty space between his ears. Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 4:40 utc | 35 I dunno… when I saw that photo of Bush and Putin, I thought it was a still from a Saturday Night Live sketch. You know, like a few seconds later, Bush would push, and it would turn out that an actor dressed up as Cheney was kneeling behind Putin, or something equally droll… it just has that kind of feel to me. Posted by: Blind Misery | Feb 25 2005 5:02 utc | 36 Someone needs to teach W how to tie a tie. Compare with Putin’s… I think Georgie is doing the knot. Posted by: jeff | Feb 25 2005 5:29 utc | 37 Great Photo, Fran – but are we supposed to find the heterosexual in the photograph? Posted by: jj | Feb 25 2005 5:31 utc | 38 My local newscast on the Pope’s health had the briefest of flashes of that scene where the Pope shooed away a dove the other day. Such a cliche image of a soul taking flight made me suspicious that the Pope is already dead. Posted by: Citizen | Feb 25 2005 6:08 utc | 39 sorry, not Catholic churches closing, Catholic schools. Posted by: Citizen | Feb 25 2005 6:09 utc | 40 In “Foreign Policy” Stephen Roach is deconstructing the Greenspan monument.
Let’s not forget that Greenspan and Baker have a big responsibility in starting the 1987 crash. He learned his lesson after that, or he’s terribly lucky. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Feb 25 2005 14:17 utc | 42
Posted by: beq | Feb 25 2005 14:52 utc | 43 what makes guckert think the left fears him, as his banner states? he’s a bit of a blowhard, isn’t he. their fighting back will only draw more attention to the issue, which doesn’t bode well for the administration. bring it on. there was an article yesterday on newsday pointing out the 9% increase in public affairs personnel hirings in govt positions since 2000, also covered in this usa today article from the end of january listing bushCo first term pr expenses of $250 million. Posted by: b real | Feb 25 2005 15:42 utc | 44 “now that I’ve emerged from the crucible” Posted by: CluelessJoe | Feb 25 2005 16:11 utc | 45 beq Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 25 2005 16:14 utc | 46 now this is weird… in the top of the hour news feed on the pacifica radio stream i’m listening to was a report that talon news has shut down for now b/c it’s owners say that they are getting negative feedback on their biases. at the same time, i closed the moa ‘democracy in action’ tab in my firefox browser and lo & behold, there’s a tab open for talonnews.com, which i did not open, have not searched on & have no idea how it got there. i merely thought about checking it out to see what their statement is, but didn’t have anything open which would link to that site. too weird… Posted by: b real | Feb 25 2005 16:16 utc | 47 and i was listening to the radio stream on a completely separate machine that i surf on. am on a company intranet behind a good firewall. wtf? Posted by: b real | Feb 25 2005 16:22 utc | 48 After a several day long refractory period, Gannon announces – Posted by: Citizen | Feb 25 2005 16:31 utc | 49 what gannon imagines as faith is fear speaking through threnodies of panic that he will be found dead in a hotel room like so many others of his kind before him Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 25 2005 16:37 utc | 50 http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000817453
Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 25 2005 16:53 utc | 51 More about Gannon or is it Guckert?: here Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 17:10 utc | 53 Ok. one more then I have to get going: CNN: No Plane Hit the Pentagon on 9/11 (Video) What to make of this? Posted by: Fran | Feb 25 2005 17:26 utc | 54 Not sure what to make of it, it seems pretty clear this CNN reporter is reporting live from the scene on 9/11 and saying there is no evidence of any plane hitting the Pentagon. Im looking for anybody out there that can tell me if he later retracted this statement, or possibly track down this reporter and ask him what he meant and what he saw. If you have this info, visit my blog and let me know. Thanks. Oh, Condi into High Heals and leather. Now I understand why her hus…., ahh the President likes her. Fran…Nothing much, except that it resurfaces now. The early reports from the Pentagon mentioned: no plane (e.g. Jamie McIntyre on CNN); an exploding truck (terrarist attack, this was favorite); unexplained helicopters; explosions at the P; a bomb; a small plane… Rummy himself spoke of a “missile.” (Somewhat later, actually.) Posted by: Blackie | Feb 25 2005 18:05 utc | 57 Giap Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 25 2005 18:32 utc | 58 In a rush at work so no links, but xymphora linked to a Raw Story piece about how Eberle was one of the “eyewitnesses” to the “jet” hitting the Pentagon, noting how convenient and unlikely that was. Sort of like those “mobs” in Florida 2000. Posted by: OkieByAccident | Feb 25 2005 18:56 utc | 59 cp Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 25 2005 19:51 utc | 60 or the contrary – given the current state of affairs he could become director of homeland security Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 25 2005 20:05 utc | 62 An interesting question from the russian press at the Putin/Bush press conference:
WaPo blogger Dan Foomkin dissects Bush`s answer in a Billmon style:
Go Froomkin, go! Gannon is under control, an establishment shill. He is harmless alive. He knows on which side his bread is buttered. In a way, he is even an asset: Anything goes! Posted by: Blackie | Feb 25 2005 22:36 utc | 64 The Churchill affair is far from over. The CU administration, kowtowing to local pressure by neomccarthyist legislators, regents and journalists, required all instructors (graduate instructors, adjunct professors, tenured faculty) to sign an to the US and Colorado constitutions.
Presumably, persons refusing to sign and notarize this superfluos and hectoring “oath” will be fired on Saturday, Feb. 26. Posted by: slothrop | Feb 25 2005 23:36 utc | 65 The Churchill affair is far from over. The CU administration, kowtowing to local pressure by neomccarthyist legislators, regents and journalists, required all instructors (graduate instructors, adjunct professors, tenured faculty) to sign an oath of allegiance to the US and Colorado constitutions.
Presumably, persons refusing to sign and notarize this superfluous and hectoring “oath” will be fired on Saturday, Feb. 26. Posted by: slothrop | Feb 25 2005 23:52 utc | 67 slothrop Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 25 2005 23:57 utc | 69 ward churchill was not chosen by accident. nor the scholars at columbia & northeastern & other universities. it is no accident that ward churchill has a long history of engagement. they found a vulnerable man & he will be the first of many. that much is clear. scholars who think they are unaffected by what is happening to churchill are fools. & they will pay the price of being foolish Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 26 2005 0:05 utc | 70 rgiap Posted by: slothrop | Feb 26 2005 0:15 utc | 71 It could be violence and nonviolence Posted by: slothrop | Feb 26 2005 0:24 utc | 72 From popbitch Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 26 2005 0:39 utc | 73 Posted by: Doh! | Feb 26 2005 1:41 utc | 74 “protest is when i say this or that doesn’t suit me. resistance is when i ensure that what doesn’t suit me no longer occurs” Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 26 2005 2:27 utc | 75 The linkage in this thread of the now completely pacified MSM w/the just beginning to be pacified University environment jumps out at me after reading up on the blueprint for the Capitalist Counter-Reformation the other night. Frightening how it’s going completely according to elite plans: Posted by: jj | Feb 26 2005 6:31 utc | 76 last time i checked in here 35 posts.i am back don’t have time to read previous (god i can’t spell any more sick of trying forgive me) i need to know how to look up a police report.and check background on a judge is this possible? my friend from the 6TH grade the year we landed on the moon has a daughter in trouble,small town,crooked court system.i am poor but only have myself and pets to take care of,her family is even more poor with lots of children.they called me because i am the only one they know who went to collage.my brain anurysm(fuck) has devestated my thought process,memory,ect.(shit i feel like,harvey was it? smart one minute rainman the next)i guess what i am asking is how to get ahold of her arrest report so i am not flying in the dark before i ask for a legal aquaintance opinion.also i remember this judge from church gossip years ago.a very nasty criminal possibly.and there are children at stake.no one we know has the money to look into or fight this,but if i can make a conection between judge and parties may be able to get another judge.again i’m sorry for bursting in i usually try to just read absorb.and i also know this is not a i”m first type of venue.but this is where i’m comfortable and its your posts given with so much thought and intellect and also emotion that lift me up and also remind me how much i lost.there was a time i could have debated most of you into a stalemate.and until i found billman by accident i was unable to even read a book,lost after the first paragraph.through a tom tomarrow cartoon i for the first time sat down at a computer,and started to exercise my brain.i can now read a book all the way through and enjoy it even if i don’t remember it a day later.So i guess you’ve realised i am manic and franic.i don’t ever mind when you all just let me rant and pass over my posts.this time if anyone can help me help someone else,i selfishly will feel useful again,and above all else i could possibly help a loyal friends daughter and grandbabies.they are in calif. i am in new orleans if it matters. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 26 2005 12:23 utc | 77 anonymous poster @ February 26, 2005 07:23 AM Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 26 2005 12:57 utc | 78 anonymous Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 26 2005 14:15 utc | 79 after my plea for help in previous post,i went back and read what i had skipped.gannon with another site?acting as if nothing of import had happened.born again.if he doesn’t end up dead very soon he must have some really…really good shit stashed.(possibly video?,could we be so lucky).and this oath thing,i remember taking one in the girlscouts but not since.now oaths seem to be everywhere scarry.and that “mens night out” at the church,complete with uniformed officers giving speaches on how god protected them,free barbaque and hey look you can sign up here right in the church basement to kill people of another religion.in one respect i’m not opposed to sending christian soldiers off to fight this war since there seems no way to stop it.i would rather see the american taliban killed off first then we can take thier women and bring their children up properly.must better than a draft.gives the song onward christian soldiers a whole new menacing meaning.and last but not least the what hit the pentagon?the fact that the location taken out was the new improved offices of an agency older and more conected the anything rummy had control of,and also of military nature he could not totally control gives me pause. i have not heard about but a few arrests in the protests(the one in germany who had the hitler sign,which is illegal)unlike our new york protest where hundreds were rounded up.in 2000 bush said he would unite and not divide…not only has he divided our gov’t more than i’ve seen for ages,my family is no longer talking to me(i’m against america)after 15 years my best friend and i can’t speak without a wall of gloom between us,because what weighs on my mind and soul every day she boils down to lets just nuke them all.she seems to really believe with no reason everyone and country in the ME are evil islamist who hate us because we are a christian state.i showed her a picture of that little girl whose family was gunned down because they did’t stop when fired upon.i asked her if (not in a war zone even)someone started shooting her direction what would she do stop?she said of course not she would try to flee.i said yes,natural response.so looking at this picture what do you feel?…well she said someday those kids will grow up and we will just have to kill them anyway.no matter iraq had not attacked us,no matter that iraq was not unlike other ME countries and in someways not even as bad.and we put the man we are suposed to precive as evil in charge in the first place.she either doesn’t understand or refuses to see that what started as a small movement whose impossible wish to unite the entire ME against us has how become a reality.on a silver platter.since this war started my older brother who spent 5yrs in vietnam and 4 more as a paid mercenery because he had become well i cant even explain what he had become,is once again having nightmares,after 2 hours on the phone with him so am i.it happened years ago and was justified and up until now i had never though or dreamed about a time i put a knife into a rapest heart and felt the pumping of the blood over my hand,now every time i close my eyes i dream and remember what it is to personally take a life.i multiply that experience by a million and can’t imagine what this new group of soldiers will have to deal with. Posted by: onzaga | Feb 26 2005 14:25 utc | 80 yes breathe thankyou.have the judges name.but in spite of hometown gossip would like to read police report,not that i don’t trust my friend but mothers sometimes do not see past their love of a child.i do believe everythin is as she told me but before i go after a judge how do i get that report she said it is public record so what exactly do i google to get police report.second i need to see if there is a connection between judge and woman making the claim.and why for simple assult is there $150,000 bond. Posted by: onzaga | Feb 26 2005 14:50 utc | 81 she is going to fax police report to me monday along with details. Posted by: onzaga | Feb 26 2005 15:21 utc | 82 Saboteurs Strike Oil Pipeline in Iraq Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 26 2005 16:03 utc | 83 Creating new Talibans: Afghans Accuse U.S. of Secret Spraying to Kill Poppies
Th US and UK deny doing this, but who else could be flying around Afghanistan by night spraying? The Jeff Gannon / James D. Guckert song Posted by: Karaoke time | Feb 26 2005 17:13 utc | 85 Daniel Pipes presses on with fomenting division and hatred Posted by: Torquemada | Feb 26 2005 17:35 utc | 87 Posted by: Information is dangerous | Feb 26 2005 20:30 utc | 88 |
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