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February 26, 2005
Newsdrop? Open Thread?

Meanwhile, there is still an interesting discussion in the R.I.P. Hunter S. Thompson thread …

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newsdrop:
Syrian Group Claims Responsibility for Suicide Bombing

Palestinian and Israeli security forces arrested seven Palestinians Saturday in connection with the deadly suicide bombing in Tel Aviv the night before, while the radical Islamic Jihad leadership in Syria asserted responsibility for the attack, saying that it had only agreed to a one month period of calm, which had expired.

In a telephone interview with the Associated Press, an Islamic Jihad official in Damascus said the attack was in retaliation for what he claimed were Israel’s violations of an undeclared, de facto truce with the Palestinians that has been in effect for several weeks.

The bomber was identified by Israeli security sources as Abdullah Badran, 21, a devout Muslim and university student from the West Bank village of Deir al-Ghusun, about three miles north of the city of Tulkarem, which is located on the border between the West Bank and Israel about 16 miles northeast of Tel Aviv.
A senior Israeli security source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that the evidence clearly pointed to Islamic Jihad officials in Syria as the masterminds and financiers of Friday’s bombing.

Now what to make of this.
an Islamic Jihad official in Damascus” identified by a phone number?
A senior Israeli security source, who spoke on condition of anonymity,”
This stinks like only psyops does.

Posted by: b | Feb 26 2005 22:37 utc | 1

Islamic Jihad is a Syrian organisation? Plain bullshit. They may be backed by Damascus, which may have greatly helped them begin to organise efficiently, but they’re not Syrians; their grievances come from the festering Palestine issue and from Israeli meddling and occupying Lebanon.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 26 2005 23:01 utc | 2

b
that’s what i thought & combined with us govt attempt to stop the process of sibil edmonds
ô what a wonderful world!

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 26 2005 23:04 utc | 3

b
that’s what i thought & combined with the us govt attempt to stop the process of sibil edmonds
ô what a wonderful world!

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 26 2005 23:05 utc | 4

don’t know why it did that unless i’m shaking
no b they seem to pay out scenarios that could not have been imagined by some hack at 20th century fox in the fifties programming tv for the cold war
i imagine half my despair is over the stupidly sordid way they are going about their second rate scenarios of terror against the world – though the buffoon commentators on their media speak it as if it is the first time
not only do they create so much fear – they create an endless boredom that sends us into sleepwalking
the bush cheney junta are turning us into somnambulists

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 26 2005 23:14 utc | 5

I recall someone opining that oil contracts could be already be priced in euro on a defacto basis — priced first in euros then converted to dollars. Well, it is interesting to superimpose a chart of oil (in US$) futures and the value of euros in US$. The two move together, with oil prices shadowing the moves of the euro, albeit in a more exagerated manner. This alignment seems to have begun sometime early this year. Perhaps Russia and/or OPEC have made good on their threats in a backhanded way?
Comparison of Euros in US$ and April 2005 Oil Future Price

Posted by: Charlie | Feb 26 2005 23:47 utc | 6

@Charlie – not sure – that chart paints both directions – syncronised counter movements and syncronised equal/following movements.
The Dollar may even go up for the next 10 month distorting the underlying, fundamental picture. But oil may increase anyhow.
I have to do more thinking on this, but it`s not a straight shoot – yet.
Unfortunatly there are many many variables in this nonlinear systems and that makes it very difficult to take short/medium positions, even though the long term position may be right.

Posted by: b | Feb 26 2005 23:58 utc | 7

b:
Yes, it is only this month, really, that the two move together so obviously. It could just be coincidence, of course. But it is very odd looking to me, since the two are not nearly so syncronized before this month. I recall Russia made its announcement of move away from a dollar-peg around Feb. 4.
I first noticed this on Monday morning before I went to work. The Bank of Korea had startled the currency markets with an announcement similar to Russia and the US$ tanked. Then, the same day oil futures shot up in a shadow move. News media reported it was because of weather forecasts for colder weather. But if you watch the two together in closer detail (the hourly or 30-minute scales), it is pretty remarkable to me. Anyway, something to watch.

Posted by: Charlie | Feb 27 2005 0:12 utc | 8

Fifty more British soldiers face trial on Iraq ‘war crimes’

Posted by: More bad apples | Feb 27 2005 1:50 utc | 9

Professor faces jail in bio-terror scare

The ordeal of Kurtz, who is to appear in court on Tuesday on charges of mail and wire fraud, began after he called medical emergency services. Paramedics arrived to try, unsuccessfully, to revive his wife and noticed the biological equipment in his flat. Kurtz is a member of the Critical Art Ensemble, a group that aims, according to its website, to explore the connections between art, technology and radical politics. He uses the biological equipment to work on presentations such as Flesh Machine and GenTerra, in which audiences participate in DNA experiments.
‘I had a laboratory centrifuge for isolating DNA from cells, and other equipment. The police were called and decided I could be using it for terrorism.’
Kurtz was taken away, his wife’s body still in their flat, and for the next two days was interrogated by FBI agents convinced that he had been creating biological weapons. ‘They even decided I could be planning to use my cat to disperse bacteria or viruses – so they locked it up as well.’

Posted by: Fran | Feb 27 2005 5:04 utc | 10

New charge undermines Blair claims on Iraq war

Fresh evidence has come to light suggesting that Tony Blair committed himself to war in Iraq nearly a year before the American and British assault in March 2003.

Downing Street has consistently refused to disclose the date on which Mr Blair promised George Bush that Britain would join the US in an invasion of Iraq. But evidence obtained by the IoS suggests that it was as early as April 2002, when the Prime Minister met President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

Posted by: Fran | Feb 27 2005 5:27 utc | 11

Rafael Renteria on WardC:
Look in the mirror
It’s not the sacred memory of the people who died in the Twin Towers that’s got them so upset. What’s got them so upset is that someone called them what they are, what they cannot face. Eichmann. A man who was perfectly normal.

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 27 2005 18:07 utc | 12

keeping current on the “ownership society”: Chomsky on Jan. 25 speech at the 25th Anniversary of the IRC
When the Bush administration took over they just made it more extreme. They moved from the Clinton doctrine of control of space to what they call ownership of space, meaning–their words–“instant engagement anywhere” or unannounced destruction of any place on earth.
How many of them think they have to break something to own it?

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 27 2005 18:30 utc | 13

Ward Churchill is being attacked because the position he articulates (that the plane attacks were logically motivated) is exactly the same logic my country’s government is asking Iraqis to accept and support.
Universal Victim: “Your attack on us is motivated and one we arguably brought upon ourselves.”
Because Churchill is honest and sane, he does not bother with the special American flourish, “Please allow me to throw flowers.”
The bastards are afraid because honesty and sanity spread by contact, because if citizens hang in with the thought for long enough, we will realize that US foreign policy sounds like a murderer trying to justify himself to his accomplices and the survivors. Once we see what they/we have done, it is too late to be impressed by words anymore…

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 27 2005 22:16 utc | 14

citizen
The bastards are afraid because honesty and sanity spread by contact
I respect this view, but seems to me Churchill has more value, not as threat to status quo, but as a necessary demon in the constellation of demons that distinguish us from them. That the universities and those goddamn “liberal” professors are the target of scorn (along w/ al qaeda, “zarqawi”) is predictable. Who else gets thrown into the crucible of fascism? Anybody can play the role of goldstein. The war on terror will never exhaust the happily multifarious enemy.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 27 2005 22:39 utc | 15

slothrop,
I’m not sure I follow what you mean by “more value.”
Do you mean that my ‘bastards’ are more overjoyed by rather than afraid of his activities? That they would like to prolong his activities as a kind of boogeyman?
That seems more like the ‘tolerance of opposition’ approach than Goldstein. Goldstein is psyops under a Politburo. Churchill is a flesh person who actually makes friends and admirers – and community is the enemy of betrayal. I’m guessing the worst case scenario for these guys is to let some Prophet get out of hand and say loudly and clearly, “Benedict Arnold.” (Okay, “Judas” if you’re not into US history)
In short, even if one sees history as overdetermined, the actual concrete path we take is full of different solutions for how to stay on the abstract Dao. Pressing reason to worry if you’re a capital-meatpuppet, no?

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 27 2005 23:22 utc | 16

citizen
I don’t disagree w/ you so much as I think Churchill is presently a liability for “the left.” He’s a rightwing dream caricature of the left. But, something like this was bound to happen.
Churchill’s cynosure as “enemy” benefits power by consolidating the outrage of the public toward the university. The people with the lanterns and pitchfolks chasing after frankenstein are “scared,” sure. But that’s the goal: fear in our midst. Churchill is 1 degree of separation from ubl.
But also (more clues of “overdetermination”), Churchill, the use of him, corrals even the most “sensible” left-opposition as too extreme because any opposition is generalized by especially the western u.s. news media in the caricature of Churchill.
It’s fucked up. The whole affair really drives home the fact of rightwing control of cultural reproduction. It’s a shame the average pitchforker couldn’t watch Russell Means’ speech in defense of Churchill.
As for what to do about the hegemony problem,. I have no clue except to find a billionaire class traitor to fund a new tv station.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 27 2005 23:54 utc | 17

Feb 2005 – dead 59 US + 2 UK
Ranks 10th from 24 months of occupation. Seems like this doesn’t matter any more. It’s below the radar. Not only in the mainstream media. Has the lie been repeated often enough? Have they in truth won? Has democracy been brought to Iraq? Will the lies of WMD just be a footnote in the history of the democratization of the ME ?

Posted by: DM | Feb 28 2005 0:01 utc | 18

Basically, my last post would hardly provide revelation to anyone who hangs out around here. apologies.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 28 2005 0:11 utc | 19

for me it is quite simple – i feel the slap across ward churchill’s cheek as if it was my own

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2005 0:24 utc | 20

slothrop,
okay, I see what you mean. I just keep flashing on the Japanese parallel move to fascism where they drove out their legal scholar Minobe for the outrage of describing the Emperor as an “organ of State.” I gather Minobe became quite the “liability for the left” too (and I mean it, I really get the emotion of what that “liability for the left” means in America). But you can see that once the Emperor became transcendant, the state basically lost its ability to act rationally.
And we have a similar problem – once we give up on this kind of clear statement that we are called to Justice – we also will have publically abandoned all commitment to Justice. I realize this has been a long argument and Churchill is not the first to make a clear ethical argument – but we live in the era of people throughout the world and throughout this country realizing that we are not just clumsy, but corrupt. This round is bare knuckles boxing and taking a blow to the head now will mean the rest of the fight all goes by in an uncoordinated haze, for our government.

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 28 2005 0:30 utc | 21

it is so clear to me – ward churchill must be defended – he is not our enemy – he has made clear all his life who his friends are & he has given wholly to them – if i am to understand russel means correctly & i believe that to be true – having read him & witnessed him in documentaries
his rhetorical flashes are nothing compared to the criminal rumsfield & his total & actual – living & concrete contempt for people whether they are american or iraquis

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2005 0:38 utc | 22

What I mean is, there is no “Council of 5” that runs the country over evening drinks.
It’s the competition to screw everyone faster than the next guy that would accelerate off of a public rebuke.

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 28 2005 0:39 utc | 23

& let’s be absolutely clear – ward churchill & lynne stewart are the beginning – not even the beginning because what is happening to them became – systematic in 2002 – & there will be many of us to follow – of that, there can be no doubt

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2005 0:42 utc | 24

It’s more than a little bit curious, that one facit of the assault on Churchill would be his ethnicity — or rather his alledged lack of one. I suppose, at one time he could have been lynched, simply because of his ethnic association (outspoken & uppity Indian) and so now he is being demonized for not being Indian enough (or at least pure bred). This would be trivial if it were not consistant with Bushs generally inverted use of race to both shield criticism of individuals, Condi,Gonzalas,Estrada,etc and policy i.e. “how can you be progressive and not want to liberate Iraq?” So now we’re suppose to see Churchill as an un-authentic and illegitimate representative of first, Native American issues, and then by association, mainstream American issues.
Like that “backdoor draft” this is backdoor racism.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2005 3:22 utc | 25

did’nt really mean”trivial” but rather, an” isolated incident”

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2005 3:55 utc | 26

anna missed
Sort of strange eminent scholar, native american advocate Vine Deloria or his son Philip, who is a history prof at CU and has written a nice foucauldian/todorovian thing on cultural expropriation of indianess, haven’t said a thing, so far as I know, about Churcill.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 28 2005 4:46 utc | 27

one motive of the attack on churchill’s “authenticity” is the conscious effort to build a wedge in the american indian community and create strife w/i that community so that other native americans are disuaded from endorsing & joining what could easily become a much broader movement. the bellencourt aim no doubt could be provoked to take action upon the colorado chapter & churchill, ala the blackstone rangers back in the day, all the more eerily connected in that the other death that early december 1969 morning when two bullets were unloaded pointblank into fred hampton’s head was that of churchill’s roommate, mark clark.
another reason for the attack is that the rabid right cannot risk opening a real dialogue on what ward actually said & what it really means. destroy the messenger to distract others from the message. or, as ward says, they can’t dispute the point he makes, so they have to use other tactics to discredit him. hate is a powerful mobilizer, and renteria is correct to point out where the hate originates. it always comes back to the same thing.
ward says he’ll go down standing & not on his knees. he won’t be alone either.

Posted by: b real | Feb 28 2005 4:47 utc | 28

b real: “another reason for the attack is that the rabid right cannot risk opening a real dialogue on what ward actually said”
that may be so, but it was in very poor taste on the day the planes hit – regardless of who set that up – & most of us were in too much shock to be coherent, to compare the dead to Nazis. It makes it very easy to single him out. That’s the kind of insensitive vulgarity one expects from Rush Limbuphisbutt.
Has anyone commented on the timing of this assault – just as Radicals in Power being exposed as closeted male homosexuals…thus no longer able to push the stop homosexuals from marrying amendments they promised in the election…and in need of some diversion for the gaze & rage of their masses…
Anyway, they’re following their script, which Sammy Huntington outlined for them in ’75 – first they go after the media – Guckertgate proves that’s Mission Accomplished – then they drive out of the Academy anyone not on board w/their economic & political agenda….So looks like now’s the time…..Horrorwitz is frothing at the mouth…..

Posted by: jj | Feb 28 2005 5:39 utc | 29

@jj I don’t think there is any contradiction between Gannon/Guckert and the gay marriage wedge-driving.
the elite don’t mind gays as long as they “keep their place,” i.e. as long as they are e.g. hookers, entertainers, etc. — cast your mind back to Jim Crow days! it was fine for Black people to be servants, pimps, prostitutes, low-rent entertainers of every description. as long as they shucked and jived on cue and never, but never, “aped their betters.” the maximum rage of the whites was reserved for the Black man or woman who tried to dress, act, speak, behave like a normal, respectable middle class (or even decent working class) person. that was an uppity n*gg*r and had to be put down.
and heaven help the Black man or woman who was better dressed, better educated, or had a better job or a more decent family life than the whites around them. note how the Red states are in a marriage crisis — high divorce rates, high rates of domestic violence, high teen pregnancy rates etc? (all predictable side effects of attempts to enforce old time Biblical patriarchy on a semi-modernised population). imagine how it must burn them to see gays who have been together for 35 loving years finally exchanging vows, laughing and weeping and hugging, right on the front page of the newspapers. why, them goddamn n*gg*rs are not only aping Our Kind — some of ’em are doing it better’n us!
what arouses homophobic frenzy on the right is that gays getting married are gays “pretending they are just as good as the rest of us,” and of course we can’t have that — gotta have us some n*gg*rs to look down upon, can’t have them acting like they were as good as us superior people. it’s fine for them to service our sexual whims, be our public clowns, run our errands (Stepin Fetchit anyone?), entertain us on a smoky stage on the wrong side of the tracks, play out our fantasies of naughtiness and the Forbidden. but they cannot, must not be allowed to claim respectability — that’s For Whites/Straights Only.
imho Gannon/Guckert was/is an errand boy, a prostitute, a public clown, and an expendable fall guy. a demimondaine, a disorderly boy from the wrong side of the tracks, shuckin’ and jivin’ his best to earn a buck. just another house n*gg*r. they don’t mind his kind in the least. his kind reassure them that all’s right with the world: the freaks are reassuringly freakish and pitiable, and the Normal are safe in their exclusive club of Normality.

Posted by: DeAnander | Feb 28 2005 6:05 utc | 30

DeA:
“Red states are in a marriage crisis — high divorce rates, high rates of domestic violence, high teen pregnancy rates etc? (all predictable side effects of attempts to enforce old time Biblical patriarchy on a semi-modernised population).”
I don’t think it’s unrelated to the fact that the Pirates have devastated the economic basis of their communities (though I’m not an economic determinist) that aren’t terribly healthy to begin w/after a century of reverse-evolution – gutting both the factory farms & shipping factories overseas & driving wages thru the floor at the ones they can’t – see devastation in small town in Minn. after Hormel strike. Fundie religion fills the vacuum & safely mis-directs their rage.
Another dimension of the Rightie Rage toward homosexuals, is added by Mark Crispin Miller midway thru this interview.
Incidentally, I don’t know if you’ve known any fundies personally, but it’s really a sad desperate situation the young find themselves trapped in. The combination of living in a sex-drenched culture, but existing in a church that forbids pre-marital sex & devalues rational thought & hence education, is a disaster for the young. The ones I’ve known of have gotten married as soon as they were attracted to someone so they could have sex. (Wonder why they have a high divorce rate???) Then they wake up from the hormonal rush of adolescence in their very early 20’s, w/no degrees & several children to support, before they know who they are or have ever thought about what they want to do w/their lives. They’re trapped & miserable. Finally, it takes intelligence & courage to see the Church as their hell generator then, because they’re the only people to turn to who will listen & give them a bag of groceries if need be.

Posted by: jj | Feb 28 2005 7:13 utc | 31

Sword of honour (The ancient code of insult and revenge in America’s South)
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 07/26/03 | Paul Robinson
Paul Robinson on the ancient code of insult and revenge that is still prevalent in the American South
If you are looking for some fun, and have a research grant to spend, try this. Visit an American university, bump into random students in the corridor and loudly call each one ‘a**hole’. Then measure their reactions. This is what a team of psychologists did in a controlled experiment at the University of Michigan. The results were most interesting. Students from the southern part of the United States reacted far more violently and aggressively than those from the North, were shown to have much higher levels of cortisone and testosterone, and in tests regularly suggested more belligerent solutions to problems. America, it seems, remains culturally divided along the Mason–Dixon line, and the crucial difference now, as at the time of the American Civil War, is honour.
In the modern era, honour is generally considered obsolete. As Guy Crouchback notes in Evelyn Waugh’s novel Officers and Gentlemen, it is a ‘thing that changes. I mean, 150 years ago we would have had to fight if challenged. Now we’d laugh.’ However, it is only the language of honour that has vanished, not the idea. Carrying out research for a book on the subject of war and honour, I have repeatedly found that, although the details of what constitutes honourable behaviour have changed over the centuries, its essence has not. The core of honour remains what it always has been — a desire to be a person of worth in one’s own eyes and those of others — and that desire is as powerful now as it was when Achilles rampaged through the ranks of the Trojans.
That is not to say that everything is as it was. In the case of the American South, for instance, honour was once based on race. What chiefly conferred worth on a white man, be he rich or poor, was the fact that he was neither black nor female. Things now are rather different. There is a ‘New South’, the rich, modern, urban, forward-looking society one discovers in contemporary Atlanta. Time has moved on. But as the Michigan experiments demonstrated, southerners retain two vital aspects of the old honour system: a high degree of sensitivity to insults and a tendency to respond with violence and aggression. This has important consequences today, as it did in America’s past. Indeed, the parallels between the present and the Civil War era are very striking, and may lead one to believe that despite the growth of the New South not so very much has changed.
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Some 50 years later, the South seceded from the Union. Opponents of the Confederacy generally argue that it did so to preserve slavery. Its supporters counter that slavery was a secondary issue, that states’ rights were more important. Increasingly, though, scholars are citing another factor altogether: southern honour. As the historian Bertram Wyatt-Brown has pointed out, slavery provoked the secessional crisis, but ‘southern honour pulled the trigger’.
The kind of honour I am referring to here is not the gentility of men such as Robert E. Lee. It is the rougher sort embodied in the code duello, which encouraged men to engage in vainglorious bouts of one-upmanship and to respond to insults with violence. Among the poor, the violence took the form of no-holds-barred gouging and scratching contests, the aim of which was to tear out an opponent’s eye or otherwise permanently disfigure him. Among the rich, it took the more formal shape of the duel. But the essential point was the same — an honourable man never accepted insults; he responded to them with force.
In 1861 this led to war. An interesting point is that the South had no need to leave the Union. Lincoln was not proposing the abolition of slavery, and even if he had been, he could not have enacted it. Pro-slavery elements continued to control both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court. The ‘peculiar institution’ was not under threat. But to southerners, Lincoln’s election was a provocation too far. It followed years of anti-slavery agitation which had labelled the southern way of life inferior and degenerate. One Republican actually announced that ‘the South is the poorest, meanest, least productive and most miserable part of creation, and therefore ought to be continually teased and taunted and reproached and reviled’. For southerners brought up to believe that insults must be met with force, the ultimate insult — the election of Abraham Lincoln — had to be met not just with secession but with a deliberate pursuit of war. Some southerners still like to call what resulted the ‘War of Northern Aggression’, but the truth is that the South started it knowingly and with open eyes.
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If all this seems remote from the current era, consider that the American Civil War was, according to James McPherson, one of its foremost historians, America’s first pre-emptive war. As he describes it, the South’s way of life was not immediately under threat, but southerners chose to pre-empt what they saw as a potential future threat by seceding. The honour code dictates that one loses face if one does not respond to an insult, but one does not always know whether something is an insult. So it is always best to treat it as if it were. Similarly, it is better to get one’s strike in before an opponent has a chance to hit first, even if perhaps he never intended to attack anyway. Thus, one secessionist commented in 1860 that if one sees a sleeping, curled-up rattlesnake, one doesn’t wait until it wakes and unwraps itself before killing it: precisely the logic of the 2002 US national security strategy.
Other parallels between the old South and the present are not hard to find. The years before the Civil War saw a rapid expansion in the number of military institutes and academies in the South. After years of decline, these schools and colleges are now once again enjoying a revival. Confederate armies were famous for their religiosity. The modern United States army is remarkably similar. It is not uncommon to find American generals beginning meetings with prayers, just as they might have under Stonewall Jackson. The ante-bellum South was famous for its militarism. Contemporary southerners continue to be disproportionately represented in the US military, and opinion polls consistently show far greater support for all forms of military action among the states of the South than in those of the North.
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Jacksonian rhetoric has spearheaded America’s recent wars. The word ‘honour’ is rarely used, but substitutes such as ‘credibility’ abound in official speeches. Nato had to bomb Yugoslavia because the ‘credibility of the alliance was at stake’. Coalition forces had to invade Iraq because Saddam Hussein was ‘undermining the credibility of the UN’. Saddam was not a threat to the USA, but he was a living insult to its honour. Despite all the efforts of the most powerful state on earth, he had for ten years continued to survive and defy America’s wishes. For an administration driven by sentiments of honour, such an insult could not be permitted. Just as the South could not allow Lincoln to become their President, so George W. Bush could not allow Saddam to continue humiliating his country. Only war could satisfy honour.
As the ancient Greeks knew, the pursuit of honour often leads people to attack others, to drive them down, in order to inflate themselves. The Greeks called such behaviour hubris, and believed that hubris inevitably resulted in disaster. It certainly did for the Confederacy.
whole piece athttp//209.157.64.200focus/f-news951950/posts

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2005 8:09 utc | 32

anna missed,
that does ‘splain a lotta things. thanks

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 28 2005 10:23 utc | 33

Completely OT (again) as I am finding the discussion about tenure at crap universities a bit turgid ..
I love google. Especially when I have had perhaps one glass too many – when I can pretend that this linked-list is something other than what it is. Like HAL.
So – in my morose moment – I asked HAL “when will george bush be assassinated ?”
Well, that was no good. I got 260,000 results in 0.38 seconds. I was looking for something a bit more definitive.
Anyway – in my inebriated state – another silly hypothetical has come to my slightly soused brain. Who is the man who is a heartbeat away from the presidency ? What sort of weird and wonderful world could we expect from President Cheney ? Anyone else drunk enough to entertain this thought ? (as a hypothetical of course … no prescience, plot, or prediction … but what if these damned Iranians/Syrians perpetrated such a dastardly act …)
Ach – I’ll sleep it off !

Posted by: DM | Feb 28 2005 11:09 utc | 34

A short anecdotical story to follow : and believe me , one that I’m not proud of, but it is instructive.
In the fall of 1969, having just completed infantry training at Fort Jackson South Carolina, myself and a couple other pals rented a car and headed for Myrtle Beach. The day before we had all received our orders for Vietnam, so in addition to the usual anticipation of a beer and drug soaked blurr of a weekend pass, we were all carrying some new and strange, psychological baggage.
Having arrived, and checked into the cheapest motel on the strip, we all suited up: blue jeans and t-shirt for me and the country boy, silky fly-collared print shirts and bell-bottomed slacks for the New York and Jersey guys, and off we went, pickeled in Jade-East, on our own little death march of no expectation. I’ll say the odds of romance, in these circumstances,or even a little clean fun on these trips was always understood to be exactly zero, we knew it, along with everbody that bore witness to our pathetic, isolated, and drunken meanderings into civil society.
This time however, it was different, in that our isolation was to soon be for keeps, and maybe even permanent, as the ultimate insecurity of going to war set in wth a vengence. And clever as we were, we decided this time to go up-scale, after all we deserved it, shit, it might be the last time, and if respect was’nt to be givin willingly, then we were going to take it — and the “fuck em all” mentality gradually took hold, gradual, like a snapping turtle to the leg in a swamp. And after all this was the South, it was hot, even the pretense of an upscale restaurant cocktail lounge might not be enough to reassure that all was well, that our impending sacrifice might not be honored, might not even be noticed, so the long conference with Jack Daniels commenced in the corner of the bar. It must have been a couple of bottles later that it was decided that all bets were off, a transformation was in order, all that training resisted and scoffed at, was at this moment was to be embraced and made love to, as an effigy of self preservation.
And would’nt you know it, at that very moment into the now overcrowded restaurant walks in two remarkably beautiful women, long straight hair both of them, angelic smiles, and tight asses both, and sure enough, in tow were two hippie guys one with beads the other with a way way too scraggly beard. Well that was it, and all she wrote — without further consultation the three of us still able to walk ,got up and fully aware of the most awful consequences least of all a riot , injury, or jail time, staggered out of our hole in the bar and up to the table, and pushed over the chairs of the hippie guys sending them and all on their table, water glasses, flower vases, and all to the floor, setting into motion the kind of chaos , well as you can imagine, shreaking beauties, patrons all now afoot, shouting waiters, screaming. I for one, fully expected at this time to be crucified for such a blatant and immature assult on the unassuming and innocent, and yes we were taken out side, but much to my own astonishment, expecting to be beat merciless, were instead celebrated and cheered by about half the male patrons. I was stunned sober enough at that point to stagger back with my compatriots to our cheap motel, throwing up, of course along the way.

Posted by: anna missed | Feb 28 2005 11:24 utc | 35

Over one hundred dead in bombing at al-Hillah

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 28 2005 11:27 utc | 36

Thanks for the story anna missed, strange days found us, didn’t they? I remember one night (1969 also) sitting with some friends in a booth in a beer joint in the middle of my urban college campus and some guys who were about to ship out. When there was so much we could have talked about, the one topic of conversation that we seemed unable to get away from was their fresh military buzz cuts. It seemed so important to them for us to know that they didn’t really look that way…

Posted by: beq | Feb 28 2005 15:12 utc | 37

a nice little set of responses/rebuttals to Luntz’ 160 page playbook, Come Lie With Me
not just rhetoric

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 28 2005 16:16 utc | 38

It seemed so important to them for us to know that they didn’t really look that way…
Gawd beq, maybe I’m just getting old and weak in the heart, but you just about brought a tear to my eye with that one. The humanity of those kids trying to make itself felt through the conformist trappings of the Legions: wanting someone to know that they don’t really look that way. Sheesh. Moment of genuine sorrowful compassion here.

Posted by: DeAnander | Feb 28 2005 18:09 utc | 39

Bill Moyers interviewed by Naomi Nye:

But all that was out there in plain view. How do you account for this?
There are always a lot of people who prefer the comfortable lie to the uncomfortable truth. In this case, a majority of voters knew exactly what you’re saying, yet voted for him none the less. They did so for one of two reasons. First, Bush had America scared to death. And fear was the dominant issue in that campaign, not moral values. Second, many of Bush’s supporters buy into the belief system that he and his allies have propounded. And in that belief system — which is supported by Fox News and talk radio — no evidence to the contrary can be permitted. Ideologues embrace a worldview that cannot be changed because they admit no evidence to the contrary. The Washington Post had a story about a study recently about how even if what people first hear turns out to be wrong, they still tend to believe it’s true. That’s because, if it fits their value system, they don’t change it after they learn it’s not true. It’s a weird phenomenon. I’d also say conservatives have never been more politically dominant and more intellectually and morally bankrupt. Because of that they can keep their troops believing the Big Lie. The Big Lie is that the threat of Al Qaeda is greater to us than the threat of low wages, environmental pollution, the growing inequality in America, or the terrible failure of the Bush policies on schools. People just didn’t want the uncomfortable truth to disturb the comfortable lie.

the uncomfortable truth and the comfortable lie. also a useful dyad for self examination…

Posted by: Citizen | Feb 28 2005 19:53 utc | 40

i hope i am not alone but i find the stories of anna missed & beq very instructive in the same way as jérôme has been speaking of his son, himself & his family.
i do not find anything confessional in the intimacy & on the contrary find it public – public in a way a poem must be – that it is not a dialogue with self – even though that exists in its primal state – but it is always more
& i find when people are courageous enough to be intimiate here there are rewards that are both apparent & oblique & tend for me in any case – to amplify their other comments & not reduce them. these stories are a way of destroying thie binary & i like deanander was moved both by the sense that beq & anna missed created
in days as dark as these – this small effort at humanity is for me – a form of recompense – – even perhaps of consolation

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2005 19:54 utc | 41

hope that is not too metathreadish or old testament & by the way thank you theodor for the articles from new left review. they are not only useful but illuminating in this dark night

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 28 2005 19:57 utc | 42

De: My snark detector just went off the scale. 😉

Posted by: beq | Feb 28 2005 19:59 utc | 43

I have never seen this before. The cynical American in me says “Aha! that is why Germany and France are standing in the way of an American invasion of Iran”
Iran to assemble Mercedes cars

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 28 2005 20:04 utc | 44

We have out first target.

Posted by: beq | Feb 28 2005 20:31 utc | 45

our (always preview)

Posted by: beq | Feb 28 2005 20:33 utc | 46

@beq, no, sorry to wreck my reputation for savage sarcasm, but was actually sincere. something so pathetic about those kids, all dolled up as Rambo, wanting someone to know “this isn’t really me” before they get sent off to the meat grinder.

Posted by: DeAnander | Feb 28 2005 20:39 utc | 47

I can only speak from my own experiences of those times in the very early Seventies. Cool people had long hair, geeks and rednecks had short hair. Being in the military (not because of the draft which is of course much worse) because you were looking for a job or a way out of a dead end life meant you had to have short hair. This was quite frustrating to say the least.
I knew a guy who went through the trouble of getting a short hair wig. He had to cut his hair high around the ears and the back of his neck but he got away with wearing his wig at work and then let it all hang out afterwards. Dippidy Doo was a big seller, some guys had so much in their hair trying to keep way too long (for military standards) locks from falling over their ears.
It is not like that anymore, now you can be a bald rebel. What I see now for rebellion is piercing and tattoos.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 28 2005 21:00 utc | 48

ACLU and Human Rights First to sue high-ranking US official re torture policies. Suit to be announced at press conference Tuesday at 10:30 am est. Former military leaders to join in suit. Sorry still haven’t learned to link yet but url is: http://www.aclu.org

Posted by: conchita | Feb 28 2005 21:02 utc | 49

@dan
$4 billion of export from Germany to Iran per year. Increasing by 20-30% per year.
Biggest importer to Iran, biggest export partner ex. oil.
Its part of the story …

Posted by: b | Feb 28 2005 21:04 utc | 50

First, to Charlie and Bernhard at the top of the thread:
During the 1991 Persian Gulf war I had no tv or Internet, but there was a green-screen Quotron terminal in my office. Prices of stocks and bonds, oil prices and news flashes were displayed continuously.
I noticed the correlation between the timing of the three daily news releases, two from the US and Britsh-led force and one from Iraq’s Saddam Hussein. The oil prices would fluctuate according to what was reported that day, a US victory or positive forecast sent prices down while a setback sent them rushing back up immediately.
Charlie points out a similar thing between US dollar/Euro rates and the price of oil. Bernhard speaks of a multilinear system. B., do you think there is anything to the “gut feel” reactions I’m describing? Charlie?
Interesting when you think about how a simple news release can have a perhaps-profitable reaction in the marketplace.

Posted by: jonku | Feb 28 2005 21:22 utc | 51

What I see now for rebellion is piercing and tattoos.
No way, that stuff is so conventional. If you want to be different, find a surgeon to remove your lungs and put them outside of your body. Would regular courses of antibiotics, no doubt. People would notice you, though.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 28 2005 21:27 utc | 52

@jonku
Interesting when you think about how a simple news release can have a perhaps-profitable reaction in the marketplace.
But that happens all the time and it is profitable when you can manage the news release and pre-empt the markets.
If al-quaida has a funding problem, it just needs to go long in the oil market and blow up something in Saudi-Arabia. One hour later when the news runs through the ticker they can start selling. Very, very profitable business if managed correctly.

Posted by: b | Feb 28 2005 21:32 utc | 53

Since we are on this, does anyone know whatever happened to the story of how someone had shorted airline stock in a big way prior to Sept 11, 2001?
I do believe the story got buried somehow with all the other conspiracy theories.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 28 2005 21:41 utc | 54

@ slothrop: whoa, am I behind the times. I thought it was the filed teeth, split tongue and the creepy contact lenses now.
@ DeAnander: My turn to apologize; don’t think I ever brought tears to anyone’s eyes before, well not intentionally. I think that was about the time I stopped watching tv because I would cry through the news every night. So now the news is just a joke and it still makes me want to cry.
@ jonku: Remember when w caused the yen to take a dive? I don’t remember what he said now…

Posted by: beq | Feb 28 2005 21:58 utc | 55

one last one before I hit the hay.
I was listening to an interview on Armed Forces Radio this morning of a senior enlisted member of the Air Force in Afghanistan. He said that the greatest thrill he gets is sending out A-10 aircraft fully loaded with munitions and seeing them come back clean.
yessirree! killin’ is fun.

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 28 2005 22:02 utc | 56

Goody, in my mailbox tonight: One show card, two bills, and this. I never realized Jesus was so…so..

Posted by: beq | Feb 28 2005 22:06 utc | 57

Did anyone else read Tom Engelhardt today? TomDispatch has at the very bottom a well-written, frank letter from an Iraqi engineer to George Bush. (Search for Dear Mr. Bush)
I’ll quote just a bit, he covers a lot of ground:


To The Honorable Mr. George W. Bush, The President of the United States of America:

Dear Mr. Bush,
It was regrettable that you were not allowed to see and talk to ordinary Iraqi citizens, during your sneak visit to Baghdad on Thanksgiving Day of 2003. … As an ordinary Iraqi citizen, I would like to share my thoughts on the Iraqi dilemma that America has found itself in.
More than a year ago you promised the Iraqi people that “the torture chambers and the secret police are gone forever.” Mr. President, I honestly wanted to believe you then. …
Allow me respectfully to remind you, Mr. President, that now more than 60% of the Iraqi work force in your “liberated” Iraq is unemployed as compared to 30% before your liberation. …
We Iraqis need to know why our money is being spent, unwisely, to import gasoline now, when we were an exporting nation. I might understand that Halliburton and KBR needed to import gasoline for a few months, but not after 22 months of “liberation.”
In 1991, our refineries were severely damaged by the bombing. We the Iraqi people were able, despite the sanctions and without help from the Halliburtons, to fix the refineries in only a few months. …
The government of Iraq used to spend about $150 million a month to import and distribute the food rations. According to your CPA Inspector General, $8.8 billion dollars were unaccounted for in one year. Mr. President, these $8.8 billion are enough to feed all the people of Iraq for nearly 60 months. This fiscal irresponsibility and the lack of transparency in spending our money make me wonder about the aim of the “liberation” of Iraq. I’m sorry to say that the Iraqi people are being robbed blind. We are also being “liberated” from our wealth.
I am sure, Mr. President, that our traumatized kids will never forget what was done to their future by your “liberation.” I am sure that your kids will have to deal in the future with our traumatized kids. I am also sure that your kids will have to repay for all the damages and the stolen money. I can see that the price will be very high.
I do not want to be like the rest of your advisors giving you the rosy picture. They have told you about the WMD, the Al-Qaeda link, the 9/11 link, the Iraqis welcoming your troops as “liberators”… and it is proved that they were not telling you the truth. It is about time that you listen to other people.
We do not hate America for its “freedom or democracy.” We don’t hate America. We hate the crimes, the destruction, and the devastation committed by America against the innocent people in our country.
Respectfully,
Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar Baghdad, Occupied Iraq

“I am also sure that your kids will have to repay for all the damages and the stolen money.”
Engelhardt has more information about the writer as well. I encourage you to read the whole thing.

Posted by: jonku | Feb 28 2005 23:02 utc | 58

U.S. Must Charge Padilla With Crime or Release Him

A federal judge in South Carolina ruled yesterday that the Bush administration lacks statutory and constitutional authority to indefinitely imprison without criminal charges a U.S. citizen who was designated an “enemy combatant.”

In a strongly worded 23-page ruling, Floyd said “to do otherwise would not only offend the rule of law and violate this country’s constitutional tradition, but it would also be a betrayal of this Nation’s commitment to the separation of powers that safeguards our democratic values and our individual liberties.”

Using a phrase often levied by conservatives to denigrate liberal judges, Floyd — who was appointed by President Bush to the federal bench in 2003 — accused the administration of engaging in “judicial activism” when it asserted in court pleadings that Bush has blanket authority under the Constitution to detain Americans on U.S. soil who are suspected of taking or planning actions against the country.

SLAP!

Posted by: b | Mar 1 2005 7:52 utc | 60

Making friends: Wolfowitz on shortlist for World Bank top post

Paul Wolfowitz, US deputy secretary of defence, has emerged as a leading candidate to replace James Wolfensohn as the president of the World Bank.
Mr Wolfowitz is one of a small number of people being considered for the US nomination, administration insiders said.
The nomination of Mr Wolfowitz, one of the chief architects of the Iraq war and a former US ambassador to Indonesia, would likely be highly controversial, and could raise new questions about the process by which the World Bank chief is selected. One administration official said his nomination “would have enormous repercussions within the development community”.

Posted by: b | Mar 1 2005 11:20 utc | 61

I thought that they liked the World Bank. Why would they inflict that arrogant fool on it?

Posted by: Colman | Mar 1 2005 12:54 utc | 62