Help is on the way! Deano is the savior!
The Messiah will come only when he is no longer necessary; he will come only on the day after his arrival; he will come, not on the last day, but on the very last.-Franz Kafka

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 13 2005 1:23 utc | 4

& as kafka also sd we don’t have to wait for the final judgement because we are already living it

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Feb 13 2005 1:52 utc | 6

An old disheveled man with a long grey beard and ratty parka said to me quickly as he passed me on the sidewalk riding his ancient Schwinn threespeed: “This is the age of ignorance, everyone is a genius.”
Crazy old man.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 13 2005 2:42 utc | 8

The Bushies have used the Nazi playbook just as if they wrote themselves. I’m sure Bushies grandpa helped Hitler with some of it. At least the financial part.
It seems we live in some fantasy world. You would think the sheeple would wake up, but with the media towing the corp line. Let see, Bushie is bankrupting the country; pissing off our allies; wrecking the environment; running around the world like a child with new toy threatening everyone militarily; wanting to f— up the best program in US history, SS,; blatantly attacking the lower and middle classes; attacking our right for redress of greivences in court; curbing civil liberties, the fourth amendment and habeas corpus; promoting and running torture rings throughout the world ( you know, the Lear jet to the nearest country that is willing to extract info); favoring corp america over any other interest.
Have I missed anything?

Posted by: jdp | Feb 13 2005 3:04 utc | 10

Oh. The proles have been sublated; american soldiers in a Toby Keith song, and the icon of the sublated democrat is John ‘Reporting for Duty’ Kerry.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 13 2005 4:04 utc | 12

uno mas. Billmon’s “lincoln’s passion.” The american neofascism will sublate the old fag as American hero and great logcabin republican. Just watch.

Posted by: slothrop | Feb 13 2005 4:11 utc | 14

stoy: shit, man: what a nightmare. If I dreamt about Cheney I’d probably wake up screaming.
People are becoming dumber and dumber; they just don’t understand why Rule of Law is important.

Posted by: kat | Feb 13 2005 6:08 utc | 16

When I came upstairs, Beere was at the telephone, one of the three or four telephones in the whole of Abeokuta. Her tone was angry, I had never seen her so furious with anyone.
‘Let me tell you Mr. District Officer, we are not impressed. We are by no means impressed – no, not surprised either. I knew it was coming and when I heard it on the radio all I could think was, just like them, just like the white race. You had to drop it on Japan, didn’t you? Why didn’t you drop it on Germany? Tell me that. Answer my question honestly if you can – why not Germany?’
There was a pause while she listened to what the other speaker had to reply.
She laughed – a dry, bitter sound. ‘I give you credit for intelligence, but not for honesty. That was a merely clever answer, it was not honest. You know bloody well why. Because Germany is a white race, the Germans are your kinsmen while the Japanese are just a dirty yellow people. Yes, that is right, that is the truth, don’t deny it! You dropped that inhuman weapon on human beings, on densely populated cities…’
Her face became more agitated as she listened, then broke in again. ‘Yes, you know damned well what you should have done if you sincerely desired their surrender. You could have dropped it on one of their mountains, even in the sea, anywhere they could see what would happen if they persisted in the war, but you chose instead to drop it on peopled cities. I know you, the white mentality: Japanese, Chinese, Africans, we are all subhuman. You would drop an atom bomb on Abeokuta or any of your colonies if it suited you!’
– Wole Soyinka, aké: the years of childhood

“the nazi’s didn’t lose the war; they just had to move”

Originally called Operation Overcast, Operation Paperclip was the codename for the operation by the US intelligence services and military to extract scientists specialising in rocketry (e.g. V-1, V-2), chemical weapons (e.g. Zyklon-B) and medicine from Germany after the collapse of the Nazi government during World War II. These scientists and their families were secretly brought to the United States, without State Department review and approval. None of them qualified for visas because they had all served to further the cause of Hitler’s Third Reich in World War II.
Scientists were deployed at White Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico and Fort Bliss, Texas to work on guided missile and ballistic missile technology, and led to the foundation of NASA and the US ICBM program.
Over 700 members of the Nazi scientific community were brought to the US as a direct result of Operation Paperclip, many of whom were still ardent Nazi supporters.
– wikipedia entry for Project Paperclip

…not to mention that the CIA was birthed during the same period and several nazi officers found new positions as instructors for the CIA/AID Office of Public Safety, training and organizing “police and paramilitary officers from around the world in techniques of population control, repression, and torture.” [john stockwell, the praetorian guard: the us role in the new world order]
..and continued experimentation on humans in new medical & mind control programs, such as MKULTRA

CIA to Release More Nazi War Criminal Data
Sunday Feb. 6, 2005
The CIA has agreed to release more information about Nazi war criminals it hired during the Cold War, ending a standoff between the intelligence agency and the group seeking the documents, Sen. Mike DeWine said Sunday.
DeWine, R-Ohio, was lead Senator author of a 1998 law that required all U.S. government documents related to Nazi war crimes to be declassified, but the Central Intelligence Agency had resisted giving up details about the work performed by agents with Nazi ties.
The law has led to the release of more than 8 million pages of documents, including 1.25 million from the CIA, which showed that the agency or its predecessor, the Office of Strategic Services, had a relationship with some individuals later found to be war criminals.
Some documents obtained by the working group, for example, show that the CIA recruited and hired five assistants to Adolph Eichmann, the man known as the architect of the plan for exterminating the Jews during World War II.

…

After World War II, the emerging struggle with the Soviet Union dominated the resources and attention of the United States, even at the expense of the task of locating and punishing the perpetrators of the Holocaust. The May 1960 Israeli capture of notorious Nazi Adolf Eichmann, however, refocused public attention on those men who had managed to elude justice in the chaos of the immediate postwar period. For the CIA, this unexpected event would force a re-examination of some of the former Nazis it had recruited in the rush to produce intelligence results during the Cold War in the 1950s. Newly released records show that at least five of Eichmann’s associates, each a significant participant in Hitler’s war upon the Jews, had worked for the CIA. Additionally, the records reveal that at least 23 war criminals or Nazis were approached by the CIA for recruitment. The documents help answer the question of how and why these war criminals were given employment, assistance, and, in two cases, U.S. citizenship by a nation that had lost more than 300,000 lives in World War II.
In early 1950, the Austrian police began asking questions about Otto von Bolschwing, a former SS officer hired by the CIA in late 1949. Bolschwing’s SS personnel file had been among those captured at the end of the war. To protect this agent from any war crimes trial, however, the CIA decided that any prosecutors who asked for Bolschwing’s SS personnel file should be told, “no files available.” Bolschwing had worked with Eichmann before the war in planning the expropriation of Jewish property in Austria and later served as the SS consultant to the forces that staged the bloody pogrom in Bucharest, Romania in 1941. In 1953, in recognition of Bolschwing’s work for U.S. intelligence, the CIA pressured the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service to let him enter the country. He later became a U.S. citizen. When U.S. Congress in the 1970s forced an examination of U.S. policy toward Nazi war criminals—creating at the time the Office of Special Investigations in the Department of Justice—Boschwing was investigated and then stripped of his citizenship. OSI found Bolschwing on its own. The CIA never turned him in to law enforcement. He died in 1982. [source]

ward churchill:

One would do well to recall that the crimes attributed by Americans to Good Germans were that they’d celebrated a New Order of their own, looking away while the nazi crimes were committed never attempting to meet the legal/moral obligation of holding their government to even the most rudimentary standards of human decency. For these sins, it was said, they, the Germans, civilians as well as military personnel, richly deserved the death and devestation that had been rained upon them by America’s “Might Eight” Air Force and its British counterpart. In sum, they’d “brought it on themselves.” [ghosts of 9-1-1]

…
Natsu Saito, wife of embattled ethnic studies professor Ward Churchill, said someone vandalized Churchill’s truck Wednesday morning by scrawling swastikas on it.
…

Scholars estimate the North American Indian population at 15 million at the time of Columbus’s arrival. In 1900, the US census found that there were 237,000 Indians in North America. This dwarves anything that Hitler ever did. What is interesting about the American architects of genocide is that they don’t even feel the need to use euphemisms. They openly called for the “extermination” of the Indian, while nobody can find a single statement by Hitler that is so blunt. [source]

…
“Just when you thought we’d killed all the Indians, one pops up talkin’ some shit like this, and reminds you that we didn’t finish the job after all.”
…

..I asked her why she had been angry about the bombing of the Japanese. Were they not Hitler’s friends?
‘The white man is a racist,’ she said. ‘You know your history of the slave trade, well, to him the black man is only a beast of burden, a work donkey. As for Asians – and that includes the Indians, Japanese, Chinese and so on, they are only a small grade above us. So, dropping that terrible weapon, experimenting with such a horrifying thing on human beings – as long as they are not white – is for them the same as experimenting on cattle.’
– Wole Soyinka, ibid

Why, when all of my ancestors are snake-bitten, and I’m snake-bitten, and I warn my children to avoid snakes, what does that snake sound like accusing me of hate-teaching? – Malcolm X

Posted by: b real | Feb 13 2005 6:32 utc | 18

trying again….(sorry)
Can we take any solace at all from the fact that the neanderfascists statements advancing a pre-emptive patriotic defense of the indefensible still appear to be coming from surrogates?

Posted by: RossK | Feb 13 2005 7:13 utc | 20

@JJ
jj, their FUCKING INTENT IS TO BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY!
It’s in the.. or use to be in the PNAC mission statement.
Watch the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Feb 13 2005 8:08 utc | 22

@Unca, excuse me…..I only have a dialup connection, so watching video online is most sub-optimal. Can I buy a copy somewhere to watch, or am I SOL?
Why – & who benefits.
Pls. excuse my ignorance on this!

Posted by: jj | Feb 13 2005 9:13 utc | 24

the past is the future, one eternal Now of human folly
yep. we’re fucked.

Posted by: DM | Feb 13 2005 11:42 utc | 26

“Fascism is not really a philosophy, but a method for gaining power.”
This is exactly right — but it is a method based on the exploitation of deeply rooted xenophobic cultural identities, and glorification the leader, towards which those same xenophobic identies naturally gravitate in times of war or perceived external threat. Those ARE the philosophies of fascism, in America as elsewhere.
There is not, and never has been, a shining city on the hill.

Posted by: Billmon | Feb 13 2005 18:28 utc | 28

b real,
You had to drop it on Japan, didn’t you? Why didn’t you drop it on Germany? Tell me that. Answer my question honestly if you can – why not Germany?’
One word: Dresden.

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 13 2005 19:07 utc | 30

If it was available, it would have been dropped on Dresden, they just sent the next best thing. I was in Dresden in 2003, I saw the horror that still remains there. It was not 35,000 victims, it was more than that, it was those that cooked alive, and their bodies were never found…….. it was man’s inhumanity to man.
A huge cathedral was never hit by the bombs, it just crumbled because of the heat.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Feb 13 2005 19:55 utc | 32

On Dresden here is a good article

Posted by: b | Feb 13 2005 20:13 utc | 34

For the past two days I have moved through a nightmare, one in which you are being chased by some invisible monster but cannot quite move your legs fast enough to run. I am struck by a feeling of unreality much more profound than any I ever experienced in my misspent college days, back when experimenting with various natural and synthetic substances was socially acceptable. The country I see around me and which we are discussing bears no resemblance at all to the one in which I have lived practically my whole life, and in which my ancestors have lived since 1620. As David Bowie sang with frightening prescience, “this is not America.”
I realize that, like most Americans, I have always had a rosy and doubtless naive view of the United States, especially as it was perceived in the rest of the world. What strikes me, however, is how different the United States feels now. Every day there is some new atrocity that only a few years ago would have been unimaginable. Invading a country with which we were not at war and which posed no threat to us — the federal government pressuring scientists to change their results — changing the law to put whole government agencies above the law — lying to the people and knowing that the press will not call it a lie because the press must of course always be evenhanded — invoking God and Jesus to justify actions that Jesus would have died to prevent — exalting the military and muscular Christianity — it is so utterly alien I can hardly describe it.
I am starting to consider the possibility that the political system of give-and-take, based on two parties alternating power, will not save us from this current crisis. Quite simply, George Bush and his henchmen (and puppet masters) are in the process of destroying the true United States and replacing it with a frightening caricature. As I have indicated indirectly at times, I work in the very belly of the beast. My office is literally on K Street in Washington, and I do work for some of the larger industrial companies in the country. I have always prided myself on being a moderate — fiscally conservative, socially liberal. Is it possible that the time for moderation is past? Although they were larger than the Nazis, neither the Social Democrats or the Center Party were willing to fight the brownshirts in the streets — only the Communists had that courage. Is it being fanciful or apocalyptic to think in those terms now?
I asked my teenage son if he would like to be the leader of a street youth movement. I asked him if it would’ve made a difference if the Reichsbanner had fought the Sturmabteilung in the streets. I asked him if he had his ghost shirt ready.
He said yes.

Posted by: Aigin | Feb 13 2005 20:28 utc | 36

RGiap – I am afraid that you are very much right on that one.

Posted by: Jérôme | Feb 13 2005 20:58 utc | 38

B real: Well, one can argue that the Americans may not have nuked a German city – though they wouldn’t have hesitated nuking a Russian one, later on. But racism isn’t the only reason. Hitler died before the program was complete and way before the first one exploded in the Trinity test (Germany surrendered on May 8, Trinity is July 16, less than 3 weeks before Hiroshima). So, one can suppose there was a sick interest in live testing the bomb on a bunch of civilians, and since Japan was the only Axis member left standing, it paid the price.
CP: Not on Dresden. The RAF ordered it, not the US Airforce, even if they eventually joined the party. I think the US may rather have chosen a target with some military or industrial values like Hamburg (sorry, Bernhard!), providing there was at least one not completely fire-bombed. (and by the way, I can’t understand how anyone still comes up with the 35.000 dead figure; if just one neighborhood had been flattened, yep, but when close to the whole city had been turned to ashes, it’s ludicrous)
I agree with Churchill that the annihilation of pretty much every “Indian”, or “native” if you prefer, culture in America since 1492 ranks for me as the highest and biggest crime ever perpetrated, and every other is dwarfed by it, including the slave trade and the Shoah, which are already hard to grasp in their sheer size and inhumanity. Though that wasn’t as methodical and planned in a short time, contrary to the Holocaust.
Blackie: Hitler may not be so different than Saddam, after all. For instance, he would’ve been harder to convict in a normal courthouse, since he barely gave any written order, and the harsest of them, notably about genocide, were always kind of ambiguous – at least on an official level; I’m fairly confident he was more direct when discussin off-record with a very few select fellow nutcases about their insane racial and cosmogonic theories.
In fact, there would even be one good side of the BushCo closely following the Nazi model, which is that when the regime will fall, most of the mofos (particularly those in the highest offices) will just shoot themselves because they won’t be able to conceive a world which they don’t run, and they can’t accept a world which doesn’t conform to their neo-con and/or Rapture-lover ideals.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 14 2005 1:21 utc | 40