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January 4, 2005
Useless Statistical Almanach

I plan to make this a regular feature of the site (probably once a week), if you don’t mind, and I hope that some of you will contribute with their own examples.

The idea is to use (simple) statistics in a way rarely seen elsewhere to put things in a different perspective and gain insights on our world.

So, here we go:

Average number of deaths in the USA, per day: 7,000

(pop. 288M, death rate 8.3/1000/year)

Average number of deaths in Indonesia, per day: 4,500

(pop. 217M, death rate 7.3/1000/year)

Deaths on 9/11: 3,000, i.e. a 40% increase on the US daily average

Deaths from the Tsunami in Insonesia: 100,000, i.e. more than 20 times the daily norm.

In a graph of actual daily deaths, 9/11 would not really stand out that much, as such "unusual" daily death rates happen several times a year for purely statistical reasons (especially as you consider that you have 20% more deaths in the winter than in the summer).

And yet, which event has the biggest political consequences worlwide? Are the causes of an event (human vs nature) more important than its actual consequences? Are such physical, visible results less important than the (human, political) interpretation that is made of them? Is this right?

And do you think that the tsunami is so noticeable that it will actually have some geopolitical ramifications and make this example moot?

Comments

Per capita, Sweden is one of the worst hit countries. Still 1900 (down from around 4000 just after the tsunami) swedes are missing out of a population of 9 million (that´s about half the number of dead per capita that Indonesia got). It probably will be the worst disaster for Sweden since the Spanish flu.
No one that I know myself is missing, but a lot of people I know has not been able to confirm the whereabouts of some of their friends.
As to political effects, a big record of DNA-samples that has been collected from almost all in Sweden born children since 1975 will be opened up for comparision with dead bodies for identification. This registry – which is volontary – has only been used for medical researach and the law says that for using a bio-samples-database for other purpose then the one stated when the sample was taken demands agreement from all registered. This law will be changed.
This might not look sinister, but when Anna Lindh (foreign minister) was killed in 2002 police accessed this registry to identify a suspect (who later turned out to be innocent). I don´t think anybody was convicted for this clear breach of the law. During last year there has been some prominent persons demanding both all registries opened to the police and that there should be established a mandatory DNA-registry of all inhabitants in Sweden for the police to use.
As the change in the law is hurried to make the registry availble before bodies decompose, it wouldn´t surprise me becomes a generally broad exception which will allow more and more access to the registries.
I will keep you posted on how this turns out.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Jan 4 2005 18:26 utc | 1

More useless statistics AIDS estimated death 2003
South Africa 370,000
Nigeria 320,000
Zimbabwe 170,000
Tanzania 160,000
Kenya 150,000
Ethiopia 120,000
Mozambique 110,000
Taking stock of the global fight against AIDS

Tragically, the Global Fund’s future is now in jeopardy, with its stated goal of providing $7 billion a year by 2007 becoming an impossible dream. Contributions from the United States and other nations that are far below what Secretary Annan envisioned. The Europeans are contributing more than half of the Global Fund’s resources but President Bush’s budget cuts U.S. funding for the Global Fund by 64%. President Bush and Republican leaders in Congress have ignored appeals from religious groups, AIDS experts and others to provide $1.2 billion for the Fund in 2005.

The other major effort in the fight against AIDS is President Bush’s initiative which focuses on 15 countries. In the 2003 State of the Union Address, President Bush promised to put 2 million people on life-saving medicine and in another speech on AIDS the President stated that “[w]hen the lives of babies and mothers are at stake, the only measure of compassion is real results.” As we approach the end of the President Bush’s current term in office, the results are not yet promising:
The administration has provided no detailed progress report showing numbers of people on treatment to date as a result of the initiative. The Administration has given no proof showing how many people are receiving treatment as a result of its initiative. GAA estimates that only one–tenth of 1% of the promised 2 million people are now receiving treatment with life-saving medicine.

The Bush Administration has so far prohibited groups receiving U.S. money from using even generic medicines that have been approved by the World Health Organization and shown to be safe. In May the Administration announced a new approval process for generic drug-makers but so far grant recipients must still buy the much more expensive brand-name drugs, leading to frustration and confusion in recipient countries.

Posted by: b | Jan 4 2005 18:30 utc | 2

I’ve had similar thoughts as well- That the 9/11 victim mantra has lost any traction it may have had left in the wake of the tsunami. Also, that the pittence given to AIDS and famine relief will be diminished by the US as the small aid pool is diverted rather than enlarged and more strategic and commercial strings are attached.
The media circus moves on to the relief effort to re-enforce the myths of the neccessity of the far-flung military presence and the magnanimous American Enterprise.
On the other hand- I think that for many people with the strength to watch and read about the losses, it will be hard not to come away from this with the sense of how small the world is and how in the end we are all in the same boat. It’s not just the jet-setters and subsistence fisherman, a Thai vacation is affordable to many nowadays. More Americans, and more widely distributed, will probably know someone killed by the tsunami than someone killed on 9/11.

Posted by: biklett | Jan 4 2005 19:07 utc | 3

another reminder/statistic of a tragedy that dwarfs the tsunami – Study Reveals 31,000 Die Monthly in Congo Conflict and 3.8 Million Died in Past Six Years (nearly half of them are children under 5 yrs of age)

“In a matter of six years, the world lost a population equivalent to the entire country of Ireland or the city of Los Angeles,” says the IRC’s Dr. Rick Brennan, one of the study’s authors. “How many innocent Congolese have to perish before the world starts paying attention?”

Posted by: b real | Jan 4 2005 19:24 utc | 4

Always nice to hear the word from som compassionate christians:
Apparently the tsunami was Gods punishment against Sweden and homosexuals
Funny thing that He placed it in southeast asia when aiming at Sweden, but maybe old Gods don´t aim to well.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Jan 4 2005 19:40 utc | 5

Gives new meaning to “Swedish Kind of Death” 😉

Posted by: beq | Jan 4 2005 20:14 utc | 6

Addition to b’s post. Another form of statistical bias.
Whistleblower Says U.S. Bungled AIDS Study

WASHINGTON – Federal officials involved in a U.S.-funded study in Uganda endangered the lives of hundreds of patients testing an AIDS (news – web sites) drug because of careless and negligent research practices, a government whistleblower said Tuesday.
Dr. Jonathan Fishbein said officials at the National Institutes of Health (news – web sites) overlooked problems with the way the study was being conducted on the AIDS drug, nevirapine, which was being used to protect babies in Africa from HIV (news – web sites) infection during birth.

NIH has acknowledged that the Uganda research failed to meet required U.S. standards. But it maintains that hundreds of thousands of African babies have been saved by using single doses of the drug to block the AIDS virus and that it can be done safely with those single doses.
Nevirapine is an antiretroviral drug used since the 1990s to treat adult AIDS patients and is known to have potentially lethal side effects like liver damage when taken in multiple doses over time.

Fishbein told NIH’s AIDS research chief in 2003 that the Uganda study should not be resumed. The agency had stopped the research for 15 months after auditors, medical experts and others disclosed problems with the project.
The concerns were dismissed, and the clinics reopened.
Documents show NIH knew of problems with the study in early 2002, but did not tell the White House before President Bush (news – web sites) launched a $500 million plan that summer to use nevirapine throughout Africa.

Posted by: Fran | Jan 4 2005 20:23 utc | 7

Some useless stats:
• 0.3 per cent of all road accidents in Canada involve a moose.
• 13 people a year are killed by vending machines falling on them.
• 4 per cent of the U.S. population are vegetarians.
• 40 per cent of cat and dog owners carry pictures of their pets in their wallets.
• 40 per cent of women have hurled footwear at a man.
• 50 per cent of bank robberies take place on Fridays.
• 70 per cent of all boats sold are used in fishing.
• 90 per cent of women who walk into a department store immediately turn to the right.
• A car is stolen every 30 seconds in the U.S.
• About 200 babies are born worldwide every minute.
• Approximately 97.3978271128 per cent of all statistics are made up.
• Assuming Rudolph was in front, there are 40,320 ways to rearrange the other eight reindeer.
• August is the month when most babies are born.
• The average 4-year-old asks over 400 questions a day.
• The average adult spends about 12 minutes in the shower per day.
• The average person keeps old magazines for 29 weeks before they throw them out.
• The average person speaks about 31,500 words per day.
• The average person spends about 2 years on the phone in a lifetime.
• The average person will spend two weeks over their lifetime waiting for the traffic lights to change.
• Children between the ages of two and seven, on average, colour for 28 minutes every day.
• Couples who marry in January, February and March tend to have the highest divorce rates.
• Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada has the largest number of bars per capita than anywhere else in the world.
• In Calcutta, 79 per cent of the population live in one-room houses.
• It would take more than 150 years to drive a car to the sun.
• The longest kiss on record lasted 130 hours and two minutes.
• Married men tip better than unmarried men.
• Men are 1.6 times more likely to undergo by-pass heart surgery than women.
• The most hazardous season: summer.
• Odds of being killed by a dog: one in 700,000.
• Odds of being killed by a tornado: one in 2,000,000.
• Odds of being killed by falling out of bed: one in 2,000,000.
• Odds of being killed in a car crash: one in 5,000.
• Odds of being murdered: one in 20,000.
• Odds of dying in the bathtub: one in 1,000,000.
• Qatar has the lowest death rate in the world at 1.6 deaths for every 1,000 persons.
• The record for the world’s worst driver is shared by (1) a 75-year old man who received 10 traffic tickets, drove on the wrong side of the road 4 times, committed 4 hit-and-run offences and caused 6 accidents, all within 20 minutes on 15 Oct 1966; and (2) a 62-year-old woman who failed her driving test 40 times before passing it in August 1970 (by that time she had spent over $1,000 in lessons and could no longer afford to buy a car).
• The safest age of life is 10 years old.
• Sweden has the least number of murders annually.
• Women shoplift more than men – the statistics are four to one.
• You are more likely to get attacked by a cow than a shark.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 4 2005 21:00 utc | 8

I say, let Sweden bomb the crap out of Burma or Madagascar. They didn’t cause the tsunami, but they border the Indian Ocean, so according to Bush’s logic, it’s a good way to vent their anger.
Good idea, Jérôme. It’s been my belief since years that every single TV News should open with the statements that give up the really important rough stats: Today, 150.000 people died; today, 380.000 babies were born; today, the world’s population increased by 230.000 people.
This would put everything into perspective, notably the various deaths reported (particularly useful when news waste hours about Reagan’s too late demise), and it would kinda scare the heck out of any normal people to think that if Fallujah was nuked today, it could be basically repopulated tomorrow. Or, since the average yearly increase of the world’s population is between 80 and 100 mio, that if the whole US population died this night, it would take less than *four* years to fill the gap.
Another disturbing constatation is that apparently the world population still grew on Dec. 26, despite the insane death toll.
The very cynical constatation is that Indonesia’s population will be back to Dec. 25 level at the middle of January, despite 100.000+ deads.
Statisticss and demographics are bad for people. It makes you realise how completely fucked up we are, and it tends to make you a bit cynical and dark-humored.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 4 2005 21:02 utc | 9

Thanks CP, you just made my ‘night’.

Posted by: Fran | Jan 4 2005 21:07 utc | 10

Sorry, I meant Clueless Joe 🙂

Posted by: Fran | Jan 4 2005 21:09 utc | 11

It’s time for me to get some sleep, it was CP after all who postet all those stats. So good night everyone.

Posted by: Fran | Jan 4 2005 21:10 utc | 12

biklett: …the 9/11 victim mantra has lost any traction it may have had left in the wake of the tsunami.
Some of you may have seen Vialls’ new piece today, speculating as he does that mebbe the tsunami was the result of a thermonuclear explosion in the (4 mile) trench off Sumatra. As always, Viall supports his accusation with a lot of technical evidence, whatever is available. He also notes that the carrier task force crew had been training in humanitarian aid for the year prior. Plus a few other interesting tidbits, like the unusually large Marine contingent that happened to be aboard and ready for action at the moment the quake occurred.
If one believes, as I and many others do, that 9/11 was an internal job, then it easily follows that this “natural” disaster could have been the next in a series. I bring this up for discussion only (not preaching). At the very least, all the seismic records should be examined to see whether patterns are similar to other earthquakes. Don’t forget that the twin spikes recorded on 9/11 indicated high explosives at the base of the towers, but were ignored along with a lot of other evidence by the sham called a 9/11 Commission. Yeah, call it a Commission and they’ll have to believe.
Sorry, I’m not a believer; “their” credibility is shot. Show me the data, and um it has to be raw data too, not processed.

Posted by: rapt | Jan 4 2005 21:24 utc | 13

You are more likely to get attacked by a cow than a shark.
I’ll attest to that.
(don’t ask, involves youthful stupidity while camping)

Posted by: fourlegsgood | Jan 4 2005 22:38 utc | 14

Rapt: Care to put some link, because, well, I don’t care if anyone has technical evidence of the US nuking the faultline along Sumatra, what I want is technical and physical evidence that a nuke can create from nothing a 9 earthquake and a killer wave.
Well, the Russians and the Chinese can easily spot any nuclear explosion thousands of miles ahead, and it’s pretty simple to tell a nuke from a quake, so I don’t think any cover-up would be possible. Beside, what would be the point of it? A nuke can’t create a 9 quake ex nihilo. You need to already have a huge and massive energy accumulated along the fault line to produce it, a nuke would just be the last straw that breaks the fault and let shit happens. But since quake predictions is still pretty bad, you’d have simply no way of knowing how big the earthquake would really be – try to put a nuke there in 5 years and see if you get anything worse than 7.5 or 8 -, so you couldn’t be sure that a tsunami would ensure. Beside, as I said right after the tsunami, since you simply CANNOT create an earthquake, just help it happen earlier than due, that is a pretty limited weapon with a reload time of several decades, and when you use it, you don’t do worse damages than you’d do if you didn’t trigger it, you usually do less damages since more energy would’ve been involved if it occured a few years later.
Conspiracy theories can be fine and sometimes even correct, they can be fun, but there are also some cases where they’re just another version of animism, that is, cargo cult: we have no fucking clue why the earth shakes, so we’d have to invent a mighty deity that will trigger quakes. Even when we’re speaking of a highly seismic and volcanic area that has been so for millions of years and is well-known for it. The trick is just that they didn’t remember any major tsunami related with the recorded and remembered previous quakes and eruptions. That kind of shit could also happen in the Atlantic or the Mediterranean, even if they aren’t as likely as in the Pacific – heck, they actually happened, unless the Lisbon quake and tsunami and the Santorin eruption and tsunami were caused by reptilian aliens.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 4 2005 22:50 utc | 15

You may have come up with something C Joe, with the reptilian aliens.
Here’s the link, and my apologies for leaving it out earlier. I am sure this guy lacks credibility in many circles; I am not in any way vouching for him here.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/link.asp?ID=2657&URL=http://www.vialls.com/subliminalsuggestion/tsunami.html
He seems to be proposing that maybe it wasn’t an earthquake at all, but a nuke instead. So I said why not study the seismic record and see what it looks like. It would be interesting to calculate the energy represented by the tsunami and then check to see how that number compares with a nuke of a certain size.
As with 9/11 there are a number of coincidences here that don’t add up mathematically. For instance, if a disaster of this magnitude happens every 50,000 years or so (I don’t know the right number) It is a bit odd that the world’s only superpower happens to be on hand when it occurs with the right ships and personnel to move in and…O there’s some oil reserves in Sumatra? Um OK we might as well secure that resource while we’re at it. Quarter million dead? Sorry. (Most of em are Asians) Just a coincidence.

Posted by: rapt | Jan 4 2005 23:16 utc | 16

Hey guys, this will be a weekly (at least) feature, so don”t waste all your nice statistics in one go today…
b – AIDS is certainly worth a thread of its own. It’s planned, unless you preempt me! (Yes, I have long term plans here – a future thread will be called “Pre-emptive Compulsive Blogging Disorder Prevention Programme Related Activities”, just so you know)
CP – see the inserted comments in your stats:
• 0.3 per cent of all road accidents in Canada involve a moose.
That sounds low…
• 13 people a year are killed by vending machines falling on them.
How many of them in the US? Is such a small number statistically significant?
• 4 per cent of the U.S. population are vegetarians.
• 40 per cent of cat and dog owners carry pictures of their pets in their wallets.
• 40 per cent of women have hurled footwear at a man.
• 50 per cent of bank robberies take place on Fridays.

Now that’s the first one where you say “I would never have guessed it but it does make some sort of sense!”
• 70 per cent of all boats sold are used in fishing.
I doubt this one very much.
• 90 per cent of women who walk into a department store immediately turn to the right.
???
• A car is stolen every 30 seconds in the U.S.
That’s the kind of meaningless numbers you hear too much in the media. You have 8,700 hours per year, and 3,132,000 seconds per year, which makes any number bigger than a few hundred thousand significant in terms of units per second per per minute, and thus useless and harmless.
• About 200 babies are born worldwide every minute.
Same comment…
• Approximately 97.3978271128 per cent of all statistics are made up.
This is actually a very important point. Numbers convey information. How much information depends (among others) on how many “useful” digits there are (“chiffres significatifs”, I am sorry but I do not know the exact English equivalent, which is a pity here); Many digits convey “very precise information” thus trustworthy, scientific, etc… Journalists seem to lack any kind of math training of any kind and have trouble understanding the numerical information they use. Thus “approximately 1 billion dollars” becomes “approximately 789.567 million euros”, which is absolutely meaningless. “Approx 1 b$” probably means between 800 and 1,200 million, or sometimes even between 500 and 2,000. It should thus be translated as “approx. 800 million euros” to convey the same meaning, but that seems beyond the intellectual capacities of most journalists. I understand that in France, where journalists are those that were bad in maths in school and thus could not get into the elite “Grandes Ecoles” (engineering and business schools) and ended up studying litterature and other useless stuff in an overcrowded and underfunded university, but in Anglo-Saxony?? (Am I being provocative. 97.8434234% chances that I indeed am)
• Assuming Rudolph was in front, there are 40,320 ways to rearrange the other eight reindeer.
This is exactly correct.
• August is the month when most babies are born.
This is an interesting kind of statistic. It sounds strange, and vaguely disquieting, until you realise that there HAS to be a month of the year with the most births and thus the information is a lot less amazing than it sounds. People have more sex in December? Yep, sounds possible…
• The average 4-year-old asks over 400 questions a day.
I seriously doubt this one. Remember, there are only 1,440 minutes in a day, s/he sleeps through half of that, eats, screams, runs through anorher good portion… One question a minute? No way. Use your commons sense to debunk apparently authoritative statistics…
• The average adult spends about 12 minutes in the shower per day.
• The average person keeps old magazines for 29 weeks before they throw them out.

That sounds like an abuse of the difference between “average” and “median”. I’ll go into that in more detail in a future post, but this is a typical “technically true but meaningless statistic” as far as I can tell
• The average person speaks about 31,500 words per day.
20 words per minute, every single minute, including at night?
• The average person spends about 2 years on the phone in a lifetime.
That means about 2-3% of your time (maybe less if nights are conveniently excluded from your “lifetime”), which means 30-45 minutes per day. That actually sounds low if you do my job…
• The average person will spend two weeks over their lifetime waiting for the traffic lights to change.
Again, meaningless comparison. 2 weeks over 80 years is 1/4,000th, or 20 seconds per day. Boo-hoo!
• Children between the ages of two and seven, on average, colour for 28 minutes every day.
Sounds possible to me (at least for girls)
• Couples who marry in January, February and March tend to have the highest divorce rates.
(see my comment above about statistics where something has to happen on a list, and you make it sound like it is amazing that it happened to “that” item of the list)
• Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada has the largest number of bars per capita than anywhere else in the world.
Again there has to be one place for which this is true.
• In Calcutta, 79 per cent of the population live in one-room houses.
• It would take more than 150 years to drive a car to the sun.

150 million kilometers. 1 million kilometers per year; 8,700 hours per year. 116 kph (72 mph) sounds about right for a car travelling in the solar system…
• The longest kiss on record lasted 130 hours and two minutes.
Guiness book of record – specific statistc.
• Married men tip better than unmarried men.
Married men probably have more money than unmarried ones, overall, taking into account their average age…
• Men are 1.6 times more likely to undergo by-pass heart surgery than women.
• The most hazardous season: summer.

Depends on what “hazardous” means. there are definitely more deaths in winter.
• Odds of being killed by a dog: one in 700,000.
• Odds of being killed by a tornado: one in 2,000,000.
• Odds of being killed by falling out of bed: one in 2,000,000.
• Odds of being killed in a car crash: one in 5,000.
• Odds of being murdered: one in 20,000.
• Odds of dying in the bathtub: one in 1,000,000.
• Qatar has the lowest death rate in the world at 1.6 deaths for every 1,000 persons.

They have the youngest population.
• The record for the world’s worst driver is shared by (1) a 75-year old man who received 10 traffic tickets, drove on the wrong side of the road 4 times, committed 4 hit-and-run offences and caused 6 accidents, all within 20 minutes on 15 Oct 1966; and (2) a 62-year-old woman who failed her driving test 40 times before passing it in August 1970 (by that time she had spent over $1,000 in lessons and could no longer afford to buy a car).
• The safest age of life is 10 years old.

No driving, no drinking and no drowning…
• Sweden has the least number of murders annually.
This is obviously false on an absolute basis (the Vatican, another country, certainly has less), but may be true on a per capita basis. Again (i) one country has to lead that particular contest and (ii) make sure that you talk about somethin precise and comparable (per capita purder rate in a given year)
• Women shoplift more than men – the statistics are four to one.
How about adjusting to the time spent shopping?
• You are more likely to get attacked by a cow than a shark.
what do you mean by “attacked”? Getting close to you quickly?

Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 5 2005 0:20 utc | 17

Well, if there wasn’t any quake at all, we would have known it from the first minute, they have a pretty obvious signatures and the sucker left its fingerprints in every seismological station around the world (well, unless Munich University can be bought). For instance, here’s a fellow who caught a previous quake in Sumatra, from the other end of the world. A mere nuke would’ve been found out pretty easily and missiles would’ve begin flying last week, I fear. In fact, the locals felt it in Sumatra – it was close enough to already hit Aceh quite hard. And there are countless replicas up to 7 Richter that have been recorded since then. They also found out (by GPS, I think) that some islands moved by several metres at once, along the faultline.
Hmmm, except it doesn’t happen every 50.000 years. I mean, there was a biggest quake in the 1960s; you can roughly assume that there’s one like that every few decades, and if it’s in the sea, there’s high chance there’ll be a tsunami. The trick is that half the time it happens in barely populated areas, or what used to be so (basically, in the last 10 years, it’s the only massively deadly 8+ earthquake, most of the time it’s 6+ or 7+ happening in seismic areas but populated areas where massive growth of population led to substandard constructions.
So, well, a nuke could move some water, maybe cause some big tidal wave, but you’d probably need one like 100 MT to cause such a big tsunami, and since the earthquake has been felt and recorded, and the faultline is now pretty active with replicas, the only use of a nuke would be as a trigger. And I frankly don’t know if you can trigger such a monster with a nuke (sure, I saw that Bond movie, A view to a kill, and wasn’t there something similar in Superman too?).
So, I won’t say I’m entirely sure it’s natural, but I’d like to read some specific explanations about triggering quakes with nukes. And then, more to the point, if it was triggered by man,this sucker was gonna happen in the next 20 years at the longest without that, and it would just have been bigger, like 9.3, if it happened in 2012. So, to sum it up, I just would like to first actually know if it is possible to trigger, how they managed to spot one of the worst places at the moment, and what’s the point in forcing what will happen pretty soon. Of course, I realise that an insane mind bent on Armageddon may have some interest in triggering massive earthquakes throughout the world, causing mayhem on a grand scale; but this should also ensure a pretty quake-free world for several decades.
Jérôme:
Median vs Average, of course. Well, that’s one of the trickies part for people to understand, and the easiest one to cheat them with stats (think: average yearly income vs median yearly income).
Phone stats: if it’s a global stat, not a Western one, it may be correct.
Cows: The trick is that they have a very very bad sight. I remember once, when in the countryside, a bunch of cows that ended up grazing all around the car. Well, one of these silly animals was less than 2 yeards from the car, quietly grazing, when it suddenly noticed that there was something new, a massive unexpected and unknown object lying there in front of her, she jumped, was pretty upset for a minute, then went on grazing again. I suppose that in some cases, people get attacked by cows simply because most of the time these mammals notice people just when they pass beside them.
Speaking of shark, it’s also my suspicion that there’s an unknown amount of tsunami casualties that ended up as shark snack and will be “missing” for the rest of eternity, without any body to confirm they’re dead.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 5 2005 0:54 utc | 18

The numbers discussed by Jérôme, Cloned Poster, and Clueless Joe ( “statistics”) share the common theme of “risk”–the calculating risk and predicting disaster (“death,” in sum). Numbers so regarded are always, at one and the same time, useful and useless, trivial and important, but never interesting or real asnumber. We swim (we drown?) in numbers derived by all manner actuaries, doctors, lawyers, bankers, debt collectors, investors and confessors. We live (or don’t live) in a “politics” of numbers–really tyrannized by numbers. But if there’s no escaping numbers, can they at least be lived in a real way (as in a “reality-based community”)? For me, numbers are real as “music”–numbers taken as the measurement of pulse, tempo and interval (and not of tones only). But as music, numbers cease to be statistics…..unless, of course, we experience them as the waves of an earthquake or a tsunami….(it’s time to go to bed).

Posted by: alabama | Jan 5 2005 2:44 utc | 19

Just a thought:

• August is the month when most babies are born.
This is an interesting kind of statistic. It sounds strange, and vaguely disquieting, until you realise that there HAS to be a month of the year with the most births and thus the information is a lot less amazing than it sounds. People have more sex in December? Yep, sounds possible…
• Couples who marry in January, February and March tend to have the highest divorce rates.

Maybe cause they married as a result of a pregnancy…

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Jan 5 2005 3:18 utc | 20

After the thirteenth person has been killed by a vending machine in a year, it is perfectly safe to rock one until you get a treat.

Posted by: biklett | Jan 5 2005 3:30 utc | 21

Even if that thirteenth person is killed on the 31st of December at 11:59 PM?

Posted by: alabama | Jan 5 2005 3:42 utc | 22

Rock on, dude!

Posted by: biklett | Jan 5 2005 4:26 utc | 23

About statistics: I was watching TV with my father once when someone said that in the US a woman is raped every 5 minutes. “Poor girl”, he said with a straight face, “she must be awfully tired.”

Posted by: pedro | Jan 5 2005 4:59 utc | 24

OT for sure, but if you check out the lead stories in tomorrow’s WaPo and NYTimes (about Albert Gonzales and the tortures at Guantanamo Bay), you will find–if you ever needed to find it–direct and incontrovertible proof that our President is a pathological sadist, motivated entirely by the pleasure he takes from inflicting terrible pain on the bodies of other humans. And the question has therefore arisen throughout the entire bureaucracy in Washington: “is this really a good way to run a country”? Bearing in mind that these materials were leaked to both papers at the very same time, by a whole lot of inside folks, it all looks, to my innocent, red-state rural eyes, like a coup of some kind or other….

Posted by: alabama | Jan 5 2005 5:04 utc | 25

@ Cloned
Who would have thought that moose were such good drivers?

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 5 2005 6:07 utc | 26

@ alabama
Thanks for pointing to the Gonzalez stories in the Times and Post.

… Mr. Yoo said that Mr. Gonzales was merely seeking to “understand all available options” in a perilous time, when the United States faced unprecedented threats.
But a senior administration official disagreed, saying that the memorandum’s conclusions appeared to closely align with the prevailing White House view of interrogation practices. The official said the memorandum raised questions about whether the Office of Legal Counsel had maintained its longstanding tradition of dispensing objective legal advice to its clients in executive-branch agencies.

This seems to be the “money quote” (from the Times) and raises the question of who is the
“senior administration official”; not Powell, I assume since its not his baliwick. Could it be that Ashcroft is acting like a Christian?

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 5 2005 6:22 utc | 27

rapt, you might be interested in this:
Earthquake: Coincidence or a Corporate Oil Tragedy?

Posted by: sukabi | Jan 5 2005 8:13 utc | 28

For the record C Joe and sukabi, after seeing all that seismic data I don’t believe in Vialls’ nuke theory. I do appreciate him raising the question though.
Now those air gun blasts – wonder if they were a contributing factor?
C Joe, these big big tsunamis really are rare, so 50,000 years isn’t all that far off the mark. OK a few hundred years maybe, but not so often as every twenty.

Posted by: rapt | Jan 5 2005 14:23 utc | 29

“Chiffres significatifs” in English is “significant digits.”

Posted by: jr | Jan 5 2005 14:37 utc | 30

@ rapt, something else to chew:
Foreknowledge of A Natural Disaster:
Washington was aware that a deadly Tidal Wave was building up in the Indian Ocean

More than three hundred years ago, at 9 PM on January 26, 1700 one of the world’s largest earthquakes occurred along the west coast of North America. The undersea Cascadia thrust fault ruptured along a 1000 km length, from mid Vancouver Island to northern California in a great earthquake, producing tremendous shaking and a huge tsunami that swept across the Pacific.
These events are recorded in the oral traditions of the First Nations people on Vancouver Island. The tsunami swept across the Pacific also causing destruction along the Pacific coast of Japan. It is the accurate descriptions of the tsunami and the accurate time keeping by the Japanese that allows us to confidently know the size and exact time of this great earthquake.
The recognition of definitive signatures in the geological record tells us the January 26, 1700 event was not a unique event, but has repeated many times at irregular intervals of hundreds of years. Geological evidence indicates that 13 great earthquakes have occurred in the last 6000 years.

Posted by: beq | Jan 5 2005 18:07 utc | 31

Thanks beq. That settles our argument.

Posted by: rapt | Jan 5 2005 20:40 utc | 32

I am not so sure about the argument being settled, rapt. The BBC lists the following 9+ mag earthquakes in the last 50 years as follows:

1960 – Chile, 9.5 magnitude
1964 – Alaska, 9.2
1957 – Alaska, 9.1
1952 – Russia, 9.0
2004 – Indonesia, 9.0

I heard on NPR that one Indonesian island had a saying that roughly translated says “If the tide go way out, run for the mountains.” (This is what we were taught when I lived in Hawaii. My school was just inside the tsunami zone.) Apparently this island has a living memory of a terrible tsunami and knew what to do; which contrasts sharply with its neighbors on other islands and coast, some of whom went down to collect standed fish or climb on newly exposed rocks.
Conchita and I were emailing about the possiblity of a human cause, and I am extremely sceptical that it would be possible for humanity to intentionally (or otherwise) trigger an earthquake. It is said that the earthquake had the explosive force of 1 million Hiroshima power bombs. By comparison:

“The world’s most powerful hydrogen bomb was detonated on the 30th of October 1961 [over Novaya Zemlya]. The bomb had an explosive force of 58 megatons, or almost 6,000 times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb. The bomb was dropped by an aircraft, and detonated 365 metres (1,200 feet) above the surface. The shock wave produced by this bomb was so powerful, it went thrice around the earth. The mushroom cloud extended almost 60 kilometres into the atmosphere.”

And most modern nukes are have a yeild of a megaton or less.
That said, Conchita pointed out to me that in April 1997 then Sec. of Defense Bill Cohen said something rather scary in an interview at the University of Georgia. This is what she sent me by way of TheMemoryHole.org

Extracted from
http://thememoryhole.org/mil/cohen-ecoweapons.htm
US Secretary of Defense Reveals Earthquake
and Volcano Weapons
>>> This one might seem beyond belief, but we have it from none other than a sitting Secretary of Defense. In April 1997, then-Defense Secretary William
Cohen was speaking at a terrorism conference at the University of Georgia. After some introductory remarks about the conference, Cohen takes questions from the media in attendance. A reporter asks a question based on the fake anthrax letters that had recently been sent to B’nai Brith. Cohen gives a strange answer, using the occasion to mention the exotic weapons being developed by terrorists (as well as–one would assume–governments).
Here’s the exchange, taken verbatim from the transcript posted on the Defense Department’s Website:
Q: “Let me ask you specifically about last week’s scare here in Washington,
and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that
(inaudible), at B’nai Brith.”
A: “Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false
threat under the circumstances. But as we’ve learned in the intelligence
community, we had something called — and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding
ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that’s why this is so
important.”

This was/is my response:

I just recently read the Cohen statement in question online somewhere. I think it was before the earth quake even. Anyway, I find it hard to believe that anything short of a nuclear explosion, and even then I am skeptical anything human made could create a magnetic force strong enough to set off an earthquake much less do so accurately, that is in a targeted manner. But I am no scientist and the last four years have made me rather paranoid when it comes to national governments and the Bush/Neocon/PNAC cabal in particular. I will post Cohen’s comments on Moon. I for one would be glad to hear other Mooner’s opinions on the subject. One thing I will say, after the earthquake/tsunami casualty numbers started coming in I remembered the huge earthquake that destroyed Bam (ironic name) in Iran on Dec. 26, 2003. I wanted to compare the death tolls but then I noticed that both events were exactly one year, to the day, apart. That set off the Twilight Zone theme in my head. They say two times is a coincidence, three times is not. If a huge earthquake happens off the coast of San Francisco on Dec. 26 this year, I will shit.

Posted by: stoy | Jan 6 2005 5:59 utc | 33

B or j, you are welcome to fix my bad html. Grrrrr.

Posted by: stoy | Jan 6 2005 6:03 utc | 34

OK Stoy, the argument isn’t settled. Interesting, that one-year-to-the-day timing.
I now agree that it is highly unlikely that the recent tsunami was caused by a nuke. It is however a certainty that the twin towers were not brought down by airplanes. Etc.

Posted by: rapt | Jan 6 2005 14:46 utc | 35

A question for anyone who understands Social Security in the United States, and also the equivalent systems in France, England and Germany. Arguments concerning “reform,” “rescue” and so on, explored in the press of each country , make it seem, to an untutored observer, as if all countries are addressing the same set of problems, and testing the same limits of acceptible change. But common sense says that this can’t be the case. Expectations in France, for example, must be quite different from those in the United States. This being so, why do we rarely come across any sustained comparative analysis of the respective systems? Are they too close, perhaps, to merit comparison? Or too far apart?

Posted by: alabama | Jan 6 2005 17:58 utc | 36

DOnt you guys keep up this site and i want to know wat the average is for moose attacks in canada per year.

Posted by: Runescape girl | Mar 1 2007 3:18 utc | 37