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Posted by: Groucho | Jan 12 2005 21:07 utc | 4

I suppose the link that Groucho put up is good news in that at least someone is trying to establish an intellectual infrastructure to base opposition to neo-cons on. The thing is though that the people involved in this adventure mean that the project is probably doomed to failure and the US can expect to see the opposition to be more in the Kerry mold and probably worse.
George Soros made his money destroying the economies of developing nations back in the day when central banks used to underwrite the local currency. A sort of gentleman’s agreement between major financial players meant that unless a country really blew it by electing someone ‘unsuitable’ small economies could keep their exchange rate artificially high or low depending on their internal requirements. Soros put an end to this and created ‘runs’ on currencies from Malaysia to New Zealand, making big bucks by selling short and completely destroying many nation’s economic independance. After that deregulation, free markets and globalisation would become the catch phrases amongst the politicians in those countries as their leaders meekly surrendered and allowed foreign ownership of their strategic resources such as transportation and telecommunications.
John Lewis got busted by customs down here about four years ago when he came to visit his daughter who had bought an island following Soros decade earlier ‘intervention’ in our economy. In itself nothing really wrong with that I don’t particularly care whether a man smokes dope or drinks whiskey, their business, although a fairly stupid sort of a coals to newcastle move I would have thought. The thing is though not only did he show the common US citizen’s contempt for another country’s laws, he appeared incapable of accepting the consequences of his actions. He strong armed the courts for name supression, another stupid act in a country as small as ours and then bought his way out by showering donations on the McDonalds of drug rehab who inflict a primitive form of brain washing on young drug users. Kinda strange actions for someone who is meant to be one of the leading lights of drug law reform in the US. He also appears to have destroyed his daughter’s sanctuary down here since shortly after his court case the whole family upped sticks and went back to the US.
I know nothing of the other backers of these left wing think tanks, but if they are anything like these two they seem to be self interested, main chancing hypocrites, not unlike the doyens of the neo-cons. A plague upon their houses.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jan 12 2005 22:27 utc | 6

Debs, that needed to be said about Mr. Soros & Co. I have never ever promoted these guys in dinner conversations.
They’re “players” and capitalistic scum, which shows that given the right conditions, politicians sell their souls to the highest bidder.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 12 2005 22:40 utc | 8

CP – I don’t agree about Soros. Don’t blame him for Malaysia, that’s antisemitic opportunist drivel from Mahatir. don’t blme him for the pound, that’s was mostly misplaced pride by UK politicians in the exchange rate of the GBB vs DEM (the Germans did the same 10 years later with the euro and have been paying the price ever since – in slow motion)
Soros shows politicians when they have no clothes. Don’t up the ante with financial markets if you don’t have the goods. All he showed is that private entities can call governments’ bluffs, which is mostly a good thing when these governments otherwise ride roughshod over their populations.

Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 12 2005 23:11 utc | 10

01/12/05 AFP: Iraq’s power supply sinks to record low: US general

Power plants now generate only 3,500-3,600 megawatts daily, far less than the 4,400 megawatts of electricity under Saddam Hussein’s rule on the eve of the invasion, said Major General Thomas Bostwick, commander of the US Army Corps of Engineers.

@CP – what’s the link between Soros and South Africa? (this is an honest question)

Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 12 2005 23:38 utc | 12

@Jerome – Luv that record low Iraqi power – courtesy of our multibillion $$$$$$$$ invasion. Power??? who, me?
@CP Poorman is good – thanks for the link.

Posted by: rapt | Jan 13 2005 2:24 utc | 14

well it’s about time.
Scheer not my favourite source but glad someone is breaking this story (after how many weeks since the documentary aired in the UK?) in the US at last.

Posted by: DeAnander | Jan 13 2005 6:55 utc | 16

All,
A few quotes were missing from the thread. Enjoy.
Regards,
RTW
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
– President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
– President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
– Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
– Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
– Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
– Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
“Hussein has… chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
“There is no doubt that… Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
– Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years… We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do.”
– Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime… He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation… And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction… So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
So… how is it, exactly, that the leadership of the former administration, and many key leaders throughout the rest of the world KNEW Iraq possessed WMD (not to mention evidence of hundreds of THOUSANDS of corpses of Kurds, Shiites and Iranians who were gassed), yet Bush, Cheney, et al “duped” the American public into support for a war on “fictious” grounds?

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