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Bumper stickers…………. my SUV can handle anything.
BTW: Do you think Billmon is back?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 11 2005 15:30 utc | 4

I’m sure Chertoff is currently being Googled up the wazoo, and in addition to Bernhard’s offering above, there’s this.

Posted by: ralphbon | Jan 11 2005 16:24 utc | 6

Kate, I rather suspect that the Bartender may have posted a comment on the “non-Marx open thread” @ 12:46 PM (11 January). If I’m right about this, then he’s alive and well–even thriving, I should say–in our sewing-circle…..

Posted by: alabama | Jan 11 2005 18:24 utc | 8

@ Kate Storm: Check comments on Salvador Option (1/11/05 1:am) @ Jesus’ General
Also, while you are there, follow the comments on “Sister Wendy’s Wickedist Sibling” and the travails of poor John Tyler Pittman of Indiana U. (alpha sigma phi) 😉

Posted by: beq | Jan 11 2005 18:29 utc | 10

it is however as dark as many of the posts being inspired by the public news of the salvador option

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2005 18:47 utc | 12

I don’t think that was Billmon (on the other thread). Don’t remember him as being so critical of military personal, as opposed to the civilian “leadership” — remembering I think it was a Vets Day post(?) that generated some controversy, anyway, I dont think he would ever characterize the military (personal) as needing, wanting, & relishing the wholesale slaughter of civilians, in lack of “legitimate” target. This is not to say that senior leadership would’nt work this into their plans.

Posted by: anna missed | Jan 11 2005 20:08 utc | 14

Target Numero Uno or President?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 11 2005 21:22 utc | 16

Diplomat questions validity of Iraq voting: Over 40% of Iraqis unable to vote
That’s only around ten million or so people for the death squads to weed out. Does Halliburton do ovens?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 11 2005 21:44 utc | 18

alabama
negroponte’s history is very clear for one & all. his postings in latin armerica & his ‘off-duty’ work there are a matter of public record – even in youur own press. if you want references to nyt or wapo articles i will be onloy to glad to provide them
you can of course reference the archives at counterpunch to understand a little of his murderous policy.
it is utter naivete to suggest that because he has never been before ‘justice’ – or whatever you call it in your country where your judicial processes have become so corrupted – knowing what is right & wrong – is not even an issue anymore
you muddy the waters of course with the mention of lattimore – lattimore – if you need to be reminded was a victim not a perpetrator. it was you who helped remind me of him but then i went to see the sinologist neale hunters work & to have clarification of the indignity he suffered, cruelly
but to mention him in the same paragraph is cafe casuitry – at its most banal level. your rhetoric, refined as it is hardly needs such petty cruelties
kissinger whose criminality i would have thought is beyond question has never apeared before your ‘justice’ nor anyone else’s & that is not for lack of guilt
if you want the sordid details of mr negroponte’s criminal career i will provide them here or elsehwere – at your choosing
you think i use these words ‘lightly’ – on the contary – though i do not possess yourr rhetorical flourishes & suffer as you suggest from a certain incoherence – i chooose my words very carefully
& so i will say it again . ambassador john negroponte is a common murderer as sorrowfully are many in this criminal administration
his ‘work’ in iraq will underline the gravity of his crimes
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2005 22:11 utc | 20

not sure why alabama has such a soft spot for this guy…

Posted by: b real | Jan 11 2005 22:31 utc | 22

i now directly quote the passage by alabama that b real has referenced above:
“Time to speak up about John Negroponte. I’ve met the man a couple of times in somewhat public spaces. He’s modest, intelligent, composed, and good humored. He’s also kind. He’s certainly not a hard man, or a sociopath by any stretch of the imagination. I trust him. He speaks clearly and forthrightly. When he denies involvement in the death squads, I accept his denial without any conditions. That’s what trust is all about….But why post this? Why share it with others? Well, my barmates need to know where I’m coming from, if only to toss me out of the bar. Negroponte is Powell’s man.”
it could be that negroponte, like powell, is like god – that in his official capacity he finds he must do things he privately deplores (to quote the witticism originally expressed about the doctrine of the damnation of unbaptized infants)
if negroponte does as much good as powell in regard to the situation in iraq, then perhaps they will receive the same verdict and similar sentences in the hypothetical war crimes trials that one could hope would someday occur – that is, i consider powell to have done much harm in his service to the empire, and have no reason to think that negroponte, as current boss in iraq, is in any way different – and this is without any consideration of his role as enforcer in central america
as for his denial of involvement in the death squads, since i have not had the privilege of seeing into his soul, i have to judge by the information that has come to me, and the relative credibility that i give it – so while i am not in a position to rule him a murderer beyond a reasonable doubt, his role in american foreign policy, then and now, makes it seem likely to me that i would be comfortable attributing to him at least partial responsibility for many violent human deaths using the civil suit standard of “preponderance of the evidence”
may the creative forces of the universe, if any, stand beside us, and guide us, through the night with the light from above (speaking metaphorically, of course)

Posted by: mistah charley | Jan 11 2005 23:01 utc | 24

mistah charley
what i cannot understand in the united states, now, a country drenched in lies – lies so obscene they make even the most liberal journalist squirm at their indecency & their repitition à la goebbells – that even the preponderance of evidence available to us at a number of sources. sources which i trust as alabama seems to trust negroponte. the sources are absolutely clear. you can call it ‘involvement’, ‘direction’, ‘conseil’, you can call it ‘supporting’, ‘aiding’, ‘abetting’, you can call it ‘targeted assassination’, you can call it ‘loss of life’, you can call it ‘ seven peasants were killed in el salvador today’ or you can call it murder
what does the life of a latin american mean?
what does the life of an arab mean?
are they completely worthless, alabama. is one liberal intellectual & the suffering he endured worth more than tens of thousand perhaps hundres of thousands of guatemalians, el salvadoreans, hondurans, nicaraguans & iraquis
at this time – at this particular time – this moment when the iraqui people are enduring unbelievable suffering – to speak of infamy & for you not to make a connection in any dictionary in any language to the life a works of american ambassador john negroponte is beyond me
but i am furious
consider the discussion, for my part, closed

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2005 23:32 utc | 26

“Negroponte was sent by the incoming administration of then President Ronald Reagan (1981-89) to Tegucigalpa in early 1981 to transform Honduras into a military and intelligence base directed against Nicaragua and the left-wing insurgents in neighboring El Salvador — a mission he largely accomplished in the four years he spent running what at that time was Washington’s biggest embassy in the Americas.
To do so, he and the station chief of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Donald Winter, formed a close alliance with Gen Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, the army’s ambitious and murderous commander who admired — and implemented — the ”dirty war” tactics that he had learned from the Argentine military in the late 1970s.
The Argentine junta sent advisers to Honduras at Alvarez’ request to begin building what would become a U.S.-backed contra force against Nicaragua.
Until Negroponte’s arrival, Honduras was a sleepy, relatively untroubled backwater in the region whose military, unlike those of its neighbors, was seen as relatively progressive, if corrupt, and loathe to resort to actual violence against dissidents. But with the support of the CIA and the Argentines, Alvarez moved to change that radically, according to declassified documents as well as detailed and award-winning reporting by the ‘Baltimore Sun’ in the mid-1990s.
A special intelligence unit of the Honduran Armed Forces, called Battalion 316, was put together by Alvarez and supplied and trained by the CIA and the Argentines. It was a death squad that kidnapped and tortured hundreds of real or suspected ”subversives”, ”disappeared” at least 180 of them — including U.S. missionaries — during Negroponte’s tenure. Such activities were previously unknown in Honduras.
At the same time, Negroponte, who was often referred to as ”proconsul” by the Honduran media, oversaw the expansion of two major military bases used by U.S. forces and Nicaraguan contras, and, after the U.S. Congress put strict limits on the training of Salvadorian soldiers in-country, he ”persuaded” the government to build a Regional Military Training Center (RMTC) on Honduran territory, despite the fact that Honduras and El Salvador were traditional enemies who had fought a bloody war less than 15 years before.
Throughout this period, Negroponte steadfastly defended Alvarez, at one point calling him ”a model professional”, and repeatedly denied anything was amiss on the human rights front in Honduras despite rising concern in Congress about reports of disappearances and killings by death squads.
In a 1982 letter to ‘The Economist’ magazine, he asserted it was ”simply untrue to state that death squads have made their appearance in Honduras”. He said much the same in testimony before Congress at the time.
Embassy employees were told to cleanse their reports about rights abuses, even as the military’s role in the killings and disappearances became widely known — and reported by Honduran newspapers — within the country. One exiled colonel living in Mexico denounced Alvarez for creating a death squad: Negroponte denied the charge.
Alvarez’s excesses, the unprecedented human rights abuses and the country’s total alignment with U.S. plans eventually became too much for the Honduran military itself. In a move that caught Negroponte and Winter completely by surprise, his fellow-officers deposed the armed forces chief in a barracks coup in 1984. Negroponte, whom the insurgents reportedly wanted to have declared persona non grata, was back in Washington within the year.
As more details about Battalion 316 have come to light in the 20 years since, Negroponte has continued to deny any knowledge of its existence or activities. As late as 2001, when President George W Bush nominated him as United Nations ambassador, Negroponte insisted, ”To this day, I do not believe that death squads were operating in Honduras”.
Negroponte’s protests of innocence are simply not credible to many observers, including his predecessor in Tegucigalpa, who claims to have personally briefed him about Alvarez and his murderous plans. Rights groups have also pointed out he successfully intervened with the army to gain the release of at least two people who had been abducted, suggesting that he must have known who was responsible”
common dreams
one of 223 different articles which explain in great detail negropontes sordid career

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2005 23:44 utc | 28

Plan Condor, the Sequel
By TONI SOLO
When Shimon Peres celebrated his 80th birthday on September 22nd, there at the top of the guest list, ahead of Bill Clinton, Mikhail Gorbachev, South Africa’s F.W. De Klerk, and Australia’s Bob Hawke was Carlos Bulgheroni. Bulgheroni is head of the Argentinian energy company Bridas.[1] If terrorism cropped up in their conversation, Bulgheroni and Peres had plenty to reminisce about. Israel and Argentina served as US proxies training terrorists in Central America through the 1970s and 1980s.
Argentinian death squad trainers based in Guatemala were reported to have masqueraded as Bridas employees. During that time Peres served as Israel’s Defence Minister, Prime Minister, deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister–well aware of Israeli military commitments in the Americas. Reviewing the background to US sponsored Argentinian and Israeli terrorism reveals how the fictional “war on terror” is just another pretext for the pillage of Latin America by the US government and its favoured multinational corporations.
Argentina–30,000 reasons to cry Three years after destroying democracy by instigating the military coup against Salvador Allende in Chile in 1973, Henry Kissinger was in Santiago for a meeting of the Organization of American States. There he met the Argentinian military junta’s foreign minister. According to Robert Hill, then U.S. Ambassador in Argentina, “Kissinger asked how long it would take … to clean up the (terrorist) problem….Kissinger gave the Argentines the green light … The Secretary wanted Argentina to finish its terrorist plan before year end.” [2] Hill should know. It was he who served as intermediary between organizers of the Guatemalan death squads and leading figures in the Argentinian government.[3]
Between 1976 and 1983, under the military dictatorship, the Argentinian armed forces killed over 30,000 civilian members of the country’s political opposition. Around 500 babies of women who gave birth in detention were distributed among their parents’ murderers. In over 300 camps and detention centres, victims were tortured to death and then dumped in mass graves or flown out to be dropped into the Atlantic from military transport planes. Their property and goods were divided up among their torturers and murderers–over US$70m worth.
Plan Condor–some history US determination to destroy opposition to its domination in Latin America stemmed from its defeat in Vietnam. The 1972 team in Paris helping Kissinger negotiate with the Vietnamese included current US ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte, and Vernon Walters, later a key adviser to Ronald Reagan, then Army Attache at the U.S. Embassy in Paris. In those days George Bush Sr. was ambassador to the UN.
By 1975 Bush Sr. was head of the CIA and working together with Kissinger and Vernon Walters to develop Plan Condor–a coordinated operation against opposition movements throughout Latin America.[4] Plan Condor involved using illegal covert means such as the assassination team coordinated between the Chilean DIN security service and Miami Cuban terrorists like Orlando Bosch, Guillermo Novo and Luis Posada Carriles.[5] It also meant supporting brutal government policies of mass repression in countries throughout South America. Plan Condor was an ambitious and successful attempt to coordinate that repression.
Plan Condor moves to the Isthmus By 1980, the priorities for President Reagan’s Latin American team were to defeat the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, stop the revolutionary movements in Guatemala and El Salvador and to wipe out the popular movment in Honduras. By the end of 1981 many now familiar people were in place. Elliot Abrams (now Senior Director for Near East and North African Affairs on the National Security Council) was Assistant Secretary of State for, incredibly, human rights and humanitarian affairs. John Negroponte was ambassador to Honduras and John Maisto ambassador to Nicaragua. John Poindexter, Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, Otto Reich, Roger Noriega, all worked on Latin America under Reagan. All were brought back into the White House by George W. Bush after the Republican packed Supreme Court effectively validated the Florida voting fraud in the 2000 US presidential elections.(6)
Early in 1980, Argentinian army and naval officers arrived in Guatemala to provide counterinsurgency training for the Lucas Garcia regime. Together with advisers from Chile and Israel they assisted the Guatemalan death squads, originally created by the CIA in the 1960s. An estimated 200,000 people were killed by the Guatemalan military during the long popular resistance to that country’s US supported dictatorships. In August 1981, the deputy director of the CIA, Vernon Walters, arranged a meeting in Guatemala City with the aim of consolidating an anti-Sandinista terrorist force with training from Argentina.[7]
Between 1981 and 1983, members of Argentina’s Battalion 601, the unit responsible for much of the terror in Argentina itself, worked with Israeli trainers out of Guatemala. In El Salvador they helped train murderers like Roberto D’Aubuisson (who organised the killing of Archbishop Oscar Romero). In Honduras they helped organise both the notorious death squad Battalion 3-16 and the mass murderers of the Nicaraguan Contra. From 1983 onwards, the Israelis trained Carlos Castaño and other current leaders of the Colombian AUC paramilitary death squads.[8]
John Negroponte–fascist proconsul It may seem strange now that Elliot Abrams and John Negroponte would have facilitated Argentinian fascists (who refined their torment of Jewish victims back in Buenos Aires by torturing them beneath portraits of Adolf Hitler). But Abrams and Negroponte did just that. Argentinian officers trained members of the Honduran army in techniques of mass repression while John Negroponte was ambassador in the Honduran capital Tegucigalpa from 1981 to 1985. There he worked closely with Honduran armed forces chief Gustavo Alvarez Martinez to impose a “national security” state on the Argentine model–that is, a police state based on extra-judicial murder.
As US ambassador in Honduras, John Negroponte displayed cynical contempt for US Congress and legitimacy, shamelessly violating the 1983 Boland Amendment restricting aid to the Contra. On Negroponte’s recommendation, the Reagan government gave Alvarez Martinez the Legion of Merit in 1983 for “encouraging democracy.” Alvarez Martinez was reponsible for disappearing over 140 trades unionists, students and other leaders of the Honduran popular movement between 1981 and 1984. In 1989, in a test case, the Inter-American Court of Human Rights convicted Honduras of forcibly disappearing four people between 1981 and 1983. During that period, under Negroponte’s proconsulship, Argentinian and Israeli terrorists helped the Honduran military refine their techniques of repression.
Saudi and drugs paymasters That training did not come free. Who paid for it? Mostly the US taxpayer via military aid to Argentina and Israel. But when legal funds were hard to come by, illegal sources served, including drugs proceeds and money siphoned through the fraudulent Bank of Commerce and Credit International, courtesy of links between George Bush Sr., the Saudi royal family and the Bin Laden family.[9] BCCI folded afer revelations that it laundered money from the Colombian Medellin drugs cartel, later to figure in the Iran Contra affair.
At this time, both Colombia and Taiwan also gave training. But the principal countries involved were Argentina and Israel. To help things along, Israel set up a plant in Guatemala to manufacture Galil rifles. Under an agreement reached in October 1981, 200 Guatemalan army officers took anti-insurgency courses in Buenos Aires including use of “interrogation techniques”. Among their “instructors” was Ricardo Cavallo.
The Cavallo Scandal On June 11th this year the Mexican authorities confirmed an extradition order against Ricardo Cavallo by the Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon for crimes against humanity during the terror in Argentina.[10] Cavallo is accused of 337 political kidnappings, 227 forced disappearances and the theft of children of political prisoners. Cavallo’s story stems from Plan Condor and threads back to the current Bush administration.
Cavallo and his colleagues, Jorge Radice, Jorge Acosta and others were torturers in the Argentine armed forces. They forced their victims to sign authorities permitting them to dispose of their property, bank accounts and belongings. Cavallo also worked closely with the Bolivian army under Luis Garcia Meza in the early 1980s when Bolivia was virtually run by drugs traffickers.
With their illict capital, Cavallo and his friends set up the security and data control businesses Martiel and Talsud in Argentina. They made deals with Seal Lock, an Argentine company representing US based Advantage Security systems. Martiel represented Casa de la Moneda of Brazil, CONSAD of Argentina, Ciccone Calcográfica [11] and the French smart card firm Gemplus.[12] Talsud and Martiel were virtually interchangeable, both worked on the deal to emit the New Zaire currency for CIA favourite President Mobutu in Zaire in 1993.
In 1995, Bridas subsidiary TTI and Seal Lock helped Talsud secure lucrative deals in Argentina’s Mendoza province. In 1996, Talsud got the contract to issue driving licenses in Argentina’s Rioja province. Among Seal Lock’s clients were the Argentine Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Argentine Central Bank, The National Registry of Bolivia, Shell Paraguay and Israel’s ZIM maritime line. Cavallo and his brother Oscar also set up a business in El Salvador called Sertracen, closely linked to the Salvadoran military. Sertracen issues driver and gun licenses in El Savador.
In August 1998, Cavallo entered Mexico as a tourist, miraculously managing to process his residency within a month. Within a year his Talsud company was bidding for the Mexican driver licensing authority (RENAVE), together with Gemplus and the Mexican company CIFRA. On September 7th 1999, they won the contract guaranteeing an estimated annual turnover of US$400 million
The Cavallo/RENAVE scandal broke in Mexico earlier this year amid mounting evidence of irregularities. Commerce Vice-Minister Raul Tercero, who authorised the RENAVE deal, was found in a wood near Mexico City with his throat cut. He left behind several letters defending himself against accusations of corruption.
Cavallo’s business associates have an unfortunate tendency to die violently. In October 1998, during a bribery scandal involving IBM, Marcel Cattaneo, brother of the owner of Cavallo client CONSAD was found hanging from a lamp post. That apparent suicide followed similar suspicious deaths. In June 1998 a friend of President Carlos Menem, leading businessman Alfredo Yabran, associated with De La Rue subsidiary Ciccone Calcografica, was found dead. In August of the same year Jorge Estrada, Cavallo’s former chief at the ESMA torture centre and a shareholder in Martiel was found dead, another apparent suicide.
Plan Condor veteran in Mexico Like Cavallo, someone else arrived in Mexico in 1998, but not as a tourist, US ambassador Jeffrey Davidow. [13] Davidow was a political adviser at the US embassy in Chile from 1971 to 1974. In Santiago, he was an embassy insider when the CIA and the DIN Chilean security agency were organising the assassination gang that later murdered leading Chilean opposition figures, Carlos Prats in Buenos Aires and Orlando Letelier in Washington. In Mexico Davidow continued honing the skills he learned in Chile, covering up human rights abuses in Chiapas and cultivating dubious relationships with drug dealing businessmen–all to be expected of a Plan Condor veteran.
The Cavallo scandal sharpened concern in Mexico and the rest of Latin America relating to reports that US data mining company Choicepoint has been purchasing confidential information from companies like Talsud and Martiel on whole populations of Central and South American countries. People fear violations of the legitimate privacy of Latin American people travelling to or living in the United States. Choicepoint is the company whose DBT subsidiary spoiled the electoral roll in Florida enabling George Bush to win that 2000 presidential election. [14]
Data abuse–the Choicepoint link It is hard to get precise details on who is selling Choicepoint this confidential information. [15] But some idea of the use to be made of all that data can be inferred from the role envisaged by John Poindexter for his Total Information Awareness program (TIA) in the developing John Ashcroft police state. While Poindexter, convicted of lying to Congress during the Iran Contra hearings, may be off the public scene after the DARPA “terrorism futures” fiasco, TIA soldiers on under different guises, like the MATRIX program in various US states, notably Florida.
Richard Armitage, one of the Iran-Contra plotters, was a board member of Database Technologies (DBT)/ChoicePoint Inc before taking office under George Bush Jr. Now he is Colin Powell’s deputy Secretary of State. Choicepoint is a partner of data mining company SAIC whose web site proclaims it has “developed a strategic alliance with ChoicePoint Incorporated to provide our clients with quick and effortless information retrieval from public records data. ChoicePoint Incorporated maintains thousands of gigabytes of public records data.”[16] SAIC’s clients include The U.S. Army National Guard and Reserve, United States Marine Corps and BP Amoco. Before becoming Secretary of State, Donald Rumsfeld was on BP Amoco’s advisory board.
BP-Amoco? Sounds like Bridas-Pan American Energy…. Back at the conversation between Shimon Peres and Carlos Bulgheroni, their terrorist reminiscences over, maybe the conversation turned to oil and gas. Funny how times change and erstwhile friends fall out.
In the early 1990s Bridas obtained oil exploration concessions in Turkmenistan. By 1997 they were negotiating with the Taliban regime in Afghanistan to build a pipeline there. Bridas found itself in competition vying for Taliban favor with Unocal, a US oil company heavily criticised for its operation in army controlled Myanmar (Burma).
Richard Armitage [17] worked for Unocal along with another Iran-Contra figure, Robert Oakley. The Taliban favoured a deal with Bridas. Bridas and Unocal ended up fighting it out in the US courts. Bridas lost. At the same time, through 1997 and 1998, US policy on Afghanistan turned sour.[18] Between November 2000 and August 2001, Argentina had its financial guts ripped out by US banks and the international finance markets.[19] In October 2001 the US invaded Afghanistan.
This is a fine illustration of the Bush Doctrine: no country will be permitted to pose a threat to the perceived interests of the United States, not even a friendly former terrorist client state like Argentina. Bridas could see how things were going and went with the flow. In 1997 it teamed up with BP-Amoco. Reborn as Panamerican Energy, Bridas is working with BP-Amoco to exploit gas and oil reserves throughout Latin America, but mainly in Argentina and, controversially, Bolivia. BP-Amoco gets the benefit of Bridas assets in Central Asia.
Plan Condor–alive and well The progression from Chile, Argentina and Uruguay through Central America to present day Venezuela and Colombia is clear. The same actors appear time after time. Elliot Abrams, John Negroponte, Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, John Maisto Roger Noriega and Otto Reich all move between comfortable jobs in US government and the corporate plutocracy that dictates US government policy.
Every one of them participated one way or another in the Iran Contra conspiracy to mislead Congress. Abrams was indicted and found guilty by the Congressional investigating commission but pardoned by George Bush Sr. Richard Armitage escaped prosecution because the investigating commission lacked resources. They were exhausted nailing former Defence Secretary Caspar Weinberger, also pardoned by Bush Sr. Now Powell, Armitage, Maisto, Noriega and Reich are plotting the overthrow of democratically elected Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and attempting to deepen US military engagement in Colombia. In Guatemala, an old associate, mass murderer Rios Montt is threatening violent overthrow of the country’s hard-won democratic governance.
None of this has anything to do with any “war on communism” or “war on drugs” or “war on terror”. The United States and the European Union are in Latin America for the same reasons as the Spanish, Portuguese, British, French and Dutch colonialists before them–natural resources and cheap labour, compounded these days by neo-colonial extraction of forcibly contrived “debt”. The methods are privatisation, dismantling of domestic agricultural economies, and open markets imposed by the IMF and World Bank through local clients to favour multinational corporations like BP-Amoco, Monsanto, Cargill and other all too familiar names.
For people in the United States the lessons of Latin America should be very clear. French philosopher Simone Weil once wrote that people in Europe were shocked by the Nazis because the Nazis applied to Europe the methods European powers practiced in their colonies. Now it’s the turn of the United States. The banal individuals currently running the White House are steadily putting into practice at home what they have done for three decades while facilitating terror in Latin America.
Toni Solo is an activist based in Central America. Contact tonisolo52@yahoo.com.
 
NOTES
1.Bridas is an energy production and exploration company. It operates in Latin America and Central Asia. It has a joint exploration & production venture with BP Amoco called Pan American Energy. The company owns 40% of Pan American Energy (60% owned by BP Amoco). Pan American Energy LLC is a company registered in Delaware, USA. (From BP-Amoco and related web sites.)
2. For Hill quote see : http://www.icai-online.org/72616,46136.html among many others
3. “Guatemala: Laboratorio estadounidense del terror”, February 2002. Gustavo Meoño Brenner, Nuevo Diario, Guatemala. This article cites:–Ariel C. Armony “La Argentina, los Estados Unidos y la Cruzada Anti-Comunista en América Central, 1977-1984” Editorial Universidad Nacional de Quilmes, 1999.–Stella Calloni “Operación Cóndor, pacto criminal” Ediciones La Jornada, Ciudad de México, 2001. -“Las intimidades del proyecto político de los militares en Guatemala”. Jennifer Schirmer, Facultad Latinoamericana de Ciencias Sociales, Guatemala, 1999.
4.The same team helped set up in 1975 the Committee on the Present Danger, in which Paul Wolfowitz was a leading figure.
5.Hernando Calvo Ospina, “Pinochet, la CIA y los terroristas cubanos”, 23 de agosto del 2003, http://www.rebelion.org.
6. Colin Powell is Secretary of State. Richard Armitage is Deputy Secrteary of State. John Maisto is US representative to the Organization of American States. Roger Noriega is Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs. Otto Reich is US Special Envoy for Western Hemisphere Initiatives.
7.Testimony of Edgar Chamorro, former Contra organizer to the International Court of Justice in the Hague, September 5th 1985.
8. Jeremy Bigwood, Narco News, “Israel y los paramilitares colombianos” from http://www.rebelion.org August 15th 2003
9. The Reagan administration also used BCCI to channel funds to the Afghan mujaheddin in the days when Bin Laden was a US hero. Two former CIA directors, Richard Helms and William Casey were involved in BCCI before it folded following revelations that it laundered money for the Medellin drugs cartel. William Casey died before the Iran Contra hearings took place. Among various sources:–“US arms group heads for Lisbon” The News, Portugal’s English language Weekly, 4 April 2003. http://www.globalresearch.ca -“À qui profite le crime? Les liens financiers occultes des Bush et des Ben Laden” Réseau Voltaire 11 septembre 2001
10. Sources for information on Cavallo:–Article by Olga Viglieca, Hector Pavon and Guido Braslavsky. Clarín-Zona. Argentina September 10th 2000–“Renave: los porqué de un fracaso” Jorge Fernández Menéndez. Semanario Milenio. Mexico, September 14th 2000–“El largo brazo de la mafia argentina”, José Steinsleger La Jornada. Mexico September 24th 2000–“Se expanden las empresas del ex marino Ricardo Cavallo licencia.” Mario Fiore. Los Andes. Mendoza. Argentina August 17th 2001.–“Tiene Cavallo Información Estrategica” Jorge Carrasco A. La Reforma. Date unclear.
11. A subsidiary of De la Rue producing passports for the Mexican government. De La Rue now own the US Sequoia computerised voting systems company, part owned by Carlyle group partner, US investment firm Madison Dearborn who took over Jefferson Smurfit’s share of Sequoia 12. Fort Worth based Texas Pacific Group recently made a huge private equity investment between $300 and $500 million into Gemplus to expand Gemplus presence in the international wireless communications, e-commerce and Internet security markets.
13. “Borderline behavior”, Al Giordano. The Boston Phoenix. December 16-23, 1999
14. Greg Palast, November 2nd 2002,”The re-election of Jim Crow: How Jeb Bush’s team is trying to steal Florida again” and his book “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy”
15. “Imperio de control”, Dieter Drüssel. http://www.rebelion.org, September 1st 2003. Drussel mentions Costa Rican owned Silnica in Nicaragua. In El Salvador and Guatemala public concern has centred on Sertracen and InforNet.
16. SAIC web site
17. Iran-Contra Special Counsel’s report, “Independent Counsel declined to prosecute Armitage because the OIC’s limited resources were focused on the case against Weinberger and because the evidence against Armitage, while substantial, did not reach the threshold of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”
18. Various web sites–“Afghanistan, Turkmenistan Oil and Gas, and the Projected Pipeline”;
Timeline, http://www.worldpress.org/specials/
http://www.thedubyareport.com/oilwar.html–“Enron played key role in events presaging war”, Martin Yant. Columbus Free Press. April 10, 2002
19. “Argentina Didn’t Fall on Its Own–Wall Street Pushed Debt Till the Last”, Paul Blustein. The Washington Post. August 3rd 2003
from counterpunch
again with hundreds of articles on the said negroponte

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 11 2005 23:57 utc | 30

This could go on for quite a while, remembereringgiap. Maybe it would be well to take up Jerome’s prior suggestion and move the postings to a thread on Le Speakeasy….I’ll read them all.

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 0:11 utc | 32

Personally, I’d welcome Billmon back with his voice ASAP, but I don’t think the 12:46 post on the other thread is him, for a couple of reasons:
1. He did not write in such long paragraphs before, and I don’t see why he would now.
2. The spelling of “defenceless” is a British/European spelling, and I’ve never seen Billmon adopt the British spelling for anything.
Just call me an amateur Sherlock.
Whoever wrote it though, congrats. It was quite the thing.

Posted by: SusanG | Jan 12 2005 0:30 utc | 34

That’s good, SusanG. Let’s just call it “wishful thinking” on my part.

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 0:35 utc | 36

I believe there was also a multipart series on Negroponte and Honduras and death squads in the Baltimore Sun sometime in the 90’s. I read some of it online last year, but don’t have the reference.
I’ve read that Negroponte has five adopted Honduran children. That means he’s not a racist–it doesn’t mean that he isn’t a bureaucrat who repeatedly lied about death squad activity in Honduras. It’s just another illustration of the fact that people are complicated, or, to put it another way, people who aren’t necessarily monsters often find it possible to rationalize whatever evil they are mixed up in. When Bush chose Negroponte for the Iraq post, I suspected that sooner or later we’d be reading about death squads.

Posted by: Donald Johnson | Jan 12 2005 0:50 utc | 38

somehow I don’t suppose that rgiap has quite such a weight of guilt to expiate, or as much cash to pursue said expiation, as Negroponte.
“I’m a retired businessman…”

Posted by: DeAnander | Jan 12 2005 1:08 utc | 40

@RGiap:
Actually, I was thinking of the likes of Heydrich and Beria. I would beg to disagree with your analysis. H & B were giants of atrocity in the 20th century. Others-and I will not name them for fear of potential internet slander suits-are mere pathetic players–“strutting and fretting” away their hours–very vicious, utterly small pieces of shit, but dangerous none the less.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Jan 12 2005 1:30 utc | 42

rememberinggiap: they are small men
Regarding the men of Shakespeare. This to me is a brilliant comment, and one I think, only I think perhaps, Shakespeare would agree with. We read Shakespeare’s plays aloud in my house, me and my husband. Just us. We see the plays on the stage whenever we can. We are waiting for the “Merchant of Venice” with Al Pacino as Shylock to come to the theaters…
Pacino as Shylock. Mercy. I love Pacino, but we’ll see.

Posted by: Kate_Storm | Jan 12 2005 1:54 utc | 44

Pacino as Shylock:
Could probably get me back into watching Shakespeare again, if old Al came to town.
Would be interesting experimental theatre.
Actually, I’d like to see Paris Hilton and Anuld in Taming of the Shrew. Hopefully the teacup chihuahua would piss down his boot.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Jan 12 2005 2:10 utc | 46

alabama
I get the distinct feeling that you were much abused in your early years
ugh.

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 12 2005 2:37 utc | 48

alabama
I’m a bit confused: you first challenge rgiap to substantiate his contention that negroponte is a murderer; he ably complies and then rather than acknowledge or attempt to refute his citations, you suggest he take it to lespeakeasy ? not only do rgiap’s posts establish the context, but it seems like the consensus in the “sewing circle” is that negroponte is a monster, so why make this suggestion? i found rgiap’s citings credible and well-selected, and the passion of his postings suggests to me one who has lived amongst and has empathy for those who have suffered the tragedies of our time. while bookish, it seems his brilliance has stepped beyond the ivory tower to actually come to know what ordinary people experience – a valuable perspective in the face of death squads and other manifestations of this administration’s deadly agenda.

Posted by: conchita | Jan 12 2005 3:54 utc | 50

And now, conchita, to help you process what you so politely style as your “confusion,” let me share with you exactly where I’m coming from, and where you are not coming from. I’m coming from the years 1948 to 1963–the dawn, zenith, and evening of that bad day known as McCarthyism. I’m coming from a household of a journalist who was finally driven to commit suicide, in large part, it would seem, from the paranoia he accumulated during that long and murderous episode. Many were the friends and acquaintances of our household who were utterly ruined by this thing. Do you think a person whose main political experience between the ages of nine and twenty-four is one of seeing people ruined by slander will let the rhetoric of slander sway him when another man’s name and reputation are being vilified and demonized? If you think this, then you’re not really in touch with my own particular reality, and you’ve every right to suppose that I’m not in touch with yours. (more to come)

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 4:45 utc | 52

And now for a little observation: I didn’t raise this matter of Negroponte at MoA; fauxreal put the question to me on an earlier thread, and I answered it as calmly and cleanly as I knew how. Nor did I raise it again–it’s remembereringgiap who raised it again. Please understand that I don’t mind discussing this topic, but when I do, I’ll certainly do the best I can to tell you where I’m coming from, and it’s this: along with most everyone else on this site, I went through the whole hell of Viet Nam, and now I’m going through the whole hell of Iraq, and I know how to be just as angry, and just as deranged with fury, as anyone else I know at the whole disastrous show. But I’d consider myself the lowest of the low if I let my political passions interfere with my sense of fairness to a single individual. Ultimately, that obligates me to be fair to the likes of Richard Nixon and George Bush. It’s not an obligation that I relish, or enjoy, or welcome, but it’s the one I live by, and the one that cuts both ways: if you can spell it out, in ways that are unequivocal and irrefutable, that John Negroponte is a murderer, I’ll honor and accept those findings. Do any less, and I’ll just continue to “confuse” you.

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 5:02 utc | 54

alabama,
I can see why you might not want to rush to judgment, or at least why I wouldn’t. It probably would be better to convict Negroponte solidly, rather than through mere implication.
However, if you are suggesting that any of us hold ourselves to the standards of a court of law, then I can only think you are toying with me. None of us will convict him with the power of Leviathan – he is not a victim, but an ally of our increasingly extra-judicial (or executive pardoned) rulers. Nor do any of us have investigators in our employ for this case.
Would you agree that we are only trying to establish whether or not we want to call it slander to call him a murderer?
Here’s a piece of solid evidence that Mr. Negroponte is an accomplice to murder, and recently.
japantoday > world
U.N. weapons inspector Blix says U.S. undermined him
Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 08:00 JST
LONDON — Chief United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix on Tuesday questioned the intelligence used by the United States and Britain to justify attacking Iraq for concealing weapons of mass destruction.
Blix, faulted by Washington for not coming up with evidence of illegal weapons, also accused U.S. officials of deliberately seeking to discredit his team in the run-up to the Iraq war in a bid to win political support for military action.
“I think it’s been one of the disturbing elements that so much of the intelligence on which the capitals built their case seemed to have been shaky,” Blix told BBC radio in an interview, excerpts of which were broadcast on Tuesday.
Blix said he would not dream of accusing U.S. and British intelligence agencies of fabricating reports on illegal arms.
But he questioned their ability to spot “fakes” such as a report Iraq had imported tons of raw uranium.
“Is it not disturbing that the intelligence agencies that should have all the technical means at their disposal did not discover that this was falsified?” he said. “I think that’s very very disturbing. Who falsifies this?” he said.
U.S. and British invasion troops have failed to find nuclear, chemical or biological arms since they launched war on Iraq on March 20 and ousted its leader Saddam Hussein.
On Monday, Blix said that U.N. inspectors should return to Iraq to independently verify the discovery of any weapons of mass destruction, but the United States said it sees no immediate role for his teams.
“I think it might be wise for them to get independent verification because it has high credibility,” he said when asked about the reported discovery by U.S. teams of ingredients and equipment that can be used to make a chemical weapon.
Secretary-General Kofi Annan ordered all U.N. international staff, including the inspectors, to leave Iraq just before the U.S.-led war began on March 19 for security reasons. He has said he expects them to return.
The Bush administration, however, blames Blix for hurting its drive for international support in the run-up to the war and has not invited U.N. inspectors to return. Instead, the United States has deployed its own teams to search for illegal weapons.
“We see no immediate role for Dr Blix and his inspection teams,” Richard Grenell, spokesman for U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte, said Monday.
link to April 23, 2003 Japan Today article
I believe we have already had abundant proof (zero evidence. none. some of which might be supposed to be necessary before the mass killing of a war.) that the claims of “imminent threat” from Iraq were bogus, as in lies, as in criminal manipulation of the citizens of the United States and many other states. I would add that this quote establishes N’s complicity in the ongoing false justifications for killing.
Accomplices are also guilty of the crime.
No role for Blix? Does this mean there was no WMD threat, ever?
The line that comes to mind for me is from the first murder – “Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground…” They are your brothers dying there too, and it may be that you and I could save them, some of them. My niece will be sent to help kill my “brother.” And I think Mr Negroponte knows that she is sent to fight for a lie. There is a conclusion to draw here.
Slander? Hyperbole? Now that is a strong accusation.
[My guess is the case from the 1980s is far stronger than this.]

Posted by: Citizen | Jan 12 2005 5:34 utc | 56

As always, my writing is a bit scattered in its aim. What I want to focus on is whether or not the evidence I cited counts as evidence sufficient to justify any of us calling the man the “m” word. I realize that my standard above would apply the same label to many. But I think we can agree that this has no logical relevance to whether or not the evidence shows anythinng about N.
And I apologize for the ‘slander? hyperbole?’ line. It doesn’t seem to contribute anything to our discussion.
Now, could we discuss whether or not statements from N’s office can suffice for us to evaluate and name the man harshly?
My quick version: yes, because the question is simply whether or not he contributed to causing unjustified killing.

Posted by: Citizen | Jan 12 2005 5:52 utc | 58

Citizen, you raise some important points, and my one note of caution would be this: on the one hand, the word “murderer” is not in and of itself an adequate term where the criminal codes are concerned–hence its various “degrees”. On the other hand, the word “murder” is much more than a legal term; all kinds of resonance carry it elsewhere, of which the most crucial, to my thinking, is the mere predilection to bloodlust and sadism. I’ve used the term that way when describing Bush. Bush is a sadist; he takes pleasure in hurting people. I could even believe that he set up the whole torture thing in Iraq and Gitmo in the pursuit of personal pleasure, just as he killed 150 vulnerable men and women on death-row in Texas for pleasure. On the basis of his manifest bloodlust, I’m prepared to call Bush a “murderer”. Do I see the same thing in John Negroponte? No, I certainly don’t, and this makes a big difference to me….To me, in a word, complicity and association matter a lot less than the manifest passions of the person. Those are the things I look for–and this is a theologically over-determined judgment, perhaps (since I was raised on the writings of Martin Luther).

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 6:03 utc | 60

The question: is he complicit?

Posted by: Citizen | Jan 12 2005 6:18 utc | 62

DeAnander, how many times, dear man, do I have to quote Duncan to establish the likelihood that I’m aware of the dangers of “face-space”? I experience them as dangers all the time, pro and con. I raised this very problem myself last spring, precisely when mentioning my impressions of Negroponte, and I raised it as a problem….One other thing: it’s always a disappointment not to play at the top of one’s game–but how am I playing “dirty pool” here? ( That’s not a rhetorical question, by the way.)

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 6:26 utc | 64

Over and out.

Posted by: Citizen | Jan 12 2005 6:47 utc | 66

Yes,
This feels a bit like pushing quicksilver. Or should I take it that you view my term “complicit” to be insufficiently associated with the idea of “accomplices to a crime.” I’m talking about the difference between a triggerman (guilty) and the guy who pays him (complicit, and at least equally guilty). Ah but my taxes pay for my ambassadors. No, I disagree. Sometimes they freelance and earn benefits entirely apart from their salaries.
Listen, I ahve often summered with the wealthy. They are all decent neighbors to each other. Its just that some of them make hell on earth every moment of their work, and others try to make heaven when they work. The best description of this state of affairs is not, “they are all guilty of sin.”
Every where Negroponte goes, he is complicit in covering up murders (see above), and now we hear of a Salvador operation. Honduras, UN, now Iraq. Do you really think you had much to do with causing the death squads? That you could have stopped them? N could have stopped them. He could have testified that he had seen no solid evidence of WMD in Iraq.
Why are you subliminally conflating your butterfly with his hurricane?
I think I am asking you if he disgusts you, and you have been saying no from the beginning. Sorry to have been so slow. All along this has been about aesthetics.

Posted by: Citizen | Jan 12 2005 7:46 utc | 68

An election in which the names of the candidates in the various lists are still not known 18 days before the polls open is a sick joke, not an election.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2005 11:38 utc | 70

I love your bumper sticker about supporting “Our death squads”. Where can I purchase one or several?
Thank you.

Posted by: P. Andrews | Jan 12 2005 15:36 utc | 72

Citizen, this has been instructive for me. It says that I have a categorical resistance to weighing the evidence of “guilt by association,” or “circumstantial evidence”. My capacity for inference is generally infirm, and that’s the sort of thing that makes for weak lawyers, detectives, and investigative scientists. It makes for bad bets. It’s not just an aesthetic problem, but a cognitive problem altogether, since it indicates a lack of peripheral vision, of which the obverse is an incapacity to see the things before one’s very eyes. In ethical terms, it takes the form of a reluctance to judge; this, at its best, is little more than a fear of judging rashly. Melville had it in mind when he gave us the character of Captain Amasa Delano in Benito Cereno.

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 16:07 utc | 74

alabama
That’s the spirit!

Posted by: slothrop | Jan 12 2005 16:19 utc | 76

slothrop, I’ve spent days and weeks in the company of my fellow barflies, only a few minutes in the company of Negroponte, and whole months in the company of Amasa Delano. If the time spent doesn’t make for correct judgments, it surely makes for settled ones. Don’t we build our prejudices in just this way?

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 17:17 utc | 78

of history & of forgetting. today the vile jean marie le pen has written that the occupation was not such a bad time for the french & they forget the real blessing of being occupied by germany
he also says that the gestapo – far from being killers or murderers in fact save many lives of french men & women & prevented massacres
he is in the habit of sending trial balloons of seeing how the people will respond & since many of the cadre of his party are deeply loyal to the tradition of vichy – i think in his old age he is concretising the real patrimoine of his party
the relation with ambassador john negroponte – is that it is a part of the intellectual tradition of the right here to minimise the violent facts of that occupation. & it is to use language to try to minimise the role played by many people who were influential under de gaulle but also with people who are still in powerful positions today.
these are the people who play fast & loose with the the reality of murder. the 75,000 jews who were deported & who died
the grand majority of people responsible for that deportation french & germans never paid with their lives, nor saw justice – or some only belatedly & not with the fullness of law i would expect
the negroponte’s, the eichmanns, the heydrichs, & yes the beria’s never take public responisbility for their actions. they lie, they mask, they rationalise, they take distance, they have as the godfather says, buffer zones. like the evil andreotti – they will all die naturally in their beds. they all deserve to be hung like mussoloni & his mistress in the public square. they merit nothing more
alabama, i have difficulty with your colouring in your rhetoric – in a way you try to saitise terrible thoughts & realities. as i’ve sd recently here i’ve been translating bishop, lowell, crane etc & i think i know your literature as well as you do. i am, in any case confident of my connaissance in that area
even for me the effect is that i concentrate on the reference than i do on the facts. & because a melville, a shakespeare, a hawthorne can be used to hide indecencies & not explicate them. exegesis i though was the opening up at the risk of contradicting your own position – a process any dialectician must take as a base
there is a richness in macbeth for example that you do not mention – that in some way is a tool to understand the blood drenched policies of people like negroponte
hope i have been clear & not incoherent
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 12 2005 17:43 utc | 80

slothrop, if you’re referring to my comment (@ 8:28 PM) that remembereringgiap’s posts “give me the distinct feeling” (of something), then let me point out that this comment was a response to his own preceding post (@ 8:05 PM), in which he expressed some concern about my taking his strictures personally. I was trying to say that I didn’t take them personally (and indeed I do not), and to offer something of myself that could be used to discount my judgments on this and other things (“feelings” being a basis for prejudgment or prejudice). I’m not in the business of doling out differential diagnoses, and since my comment can be taken as doing just that, I certainly regret it.

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 18:35 utc | 82

Rgiap DOES prefer killers, brutalizers, and oppressors of a different flavor. Because he recognizes “ugly but necessary” acts, his hatred for Negroponte has nothing to do with the man’s relation to paramilitary hit squads, and everything to do with the fact that he was working for the other – the wrong – side. That is all.

Posted by: Pat | Jan 12 2005 18:53 utc | 84

there is a richness in macbeth for example that you do not mention –
Is this an invitation, remembereringgiap, and if so, would this be the best place to respond? I’m thinking about Jérôme’s bandwidth here, and about the patience of our fellow barflies (I hesitate to turn a bar into a seminar…).
Or else, and why not?–yes indeed, there is a richness in macbeth for example that I do not mention….

Posted by: alabama | Jan 12 2005 18:58 utc | 86

i note obvioussly that the association is not responsible for my opininions nor necessarily share them
& that is as it should be -i work with a vast number of people of widely divergent opinion
as we are here
a macbeth thread would be good at some moment because it is an elemental text & has much to teach us without becoming seminarians of the text
a close reading of macbeth & a commentary – because if there are not shakespearean personnages there are certanly shakespearean moments – it would be good at le speakeasy – i just hope i am capable to carry the work there i have promised
as for pat’s vicious inference that i am a servant of some binary logic – us/them, you/me enemy/friends – i would remind her as bob dylan does speaking of george jackson
“sometimes i think this whole world
is a great big prison yard
some of us
are prisoners
some of us
are guards”
but if pat can not really differentiate, slaughter & murder on the scale of u s foreign policy – i am not going to enlighten her
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 12 2005 19:10 utc | 88

Screw your courage to the sticking place there Slothrop.
And we’ll not fail.
(Damned, I’ve misplaced my milk and cookies)

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 12 2005 19:18 utc | 90

Just what was that about “the wrong side” Pat?
Sounds to me like you are getting dangerously near to the “they do it too” defense. Its OK if we all do it so lets all do it.

Posted by: rapt | Jan 12 2005 19:50 utc | 92

And some of us have the tenderest affections for thugs and despots who enslave, emiserate, and emasculate their own
Indeed you do Pat, indeed you do

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 12 2005 20:17 utc | 94

& wondering where my disavowal would begin ; lenin, lunacharsky, radek, bukharin, geogi dimitrov, rol tanguy mao tse tung, mahatma ghandi, uncle ho, sukarno, papendreou,alekos panagoulis nelson mandela, walter sisilu, chris hani, che guevara, fidel & the brother raul, salvador allenda, victor jara & the parra family, daniel ortega, nasser – if these men & women are despots – then i admire despots, unashamedly & without reservation
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Jan 12 2005 21:41 utc | 96

DeAnander, have I spoken kind words of the Taliban, of Noriega, of Suharto or Saddam? Have I sung their praises? Diminished their crimes?
No?
Then blow it out your ass.

Posted by: Pat | Jan 12 2005 22:01 utc | 98

“how anybody posessing any form of common decency could defend the programmes & people responsible for them is really beyond me
“that anyone would try to dress up the horrific actions committed in central & latin america as an integral part of american foreign policy is in the end, startling”
I know you can read, rgiap.
Where’s my defense of Latin American death squads? For the programmes and people responsible for them? Where did I dress up anything?
Show me.

Posted by: Pat | Jan 12 2005 22:13 utc | 100