Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 17, 2005
Bankers are Dangerous People

There is a mathematically certain way to win when you play heads or tails (which can be applied to any similar game with results with known probabilities):

– you bet 1 on heads
– if you win, that’s it, you can go back to step one
– if you lose, you double your bet: you bet 2 on heads
– if you win, you won 1 overall (lost 1, won 2) and that’s it
– if you lose, you double you bet again: you bet 4 on heads
– if you win, you won 1 overall (lost 1, lost 2, won 4) and that’s it
– if you lose, you keep on doubling your bet until you win – and you will have won 1.

Of course, the amount of time to win 1 is unknown. The other problem is that you must win before you run out of money. 1, 2, 4 sound like smallish amounts, but if you get to 32 and lose, you will need 64 to keep on playing, and then 128, etc…). So this is a certain way to win – provided that you have sufficient liquidity available.

You may wonder what the link is with my title. Read on below.

Have you ever wondered why banks always have massive, plush, some times extravagant headquarters? It’s not that bankers particularly need the luxury (although they do enjoy it), it’s that they need to project an impression of wealth, because their survival depends on it. Banks manage and CREATE  money and money is purely a trust business.

Money nowadays is purely a convention – a dollar bill has value not because of any intrinsic value, but because everybody agrees that it has value and accepts it in exchange for real goods or services. That convenient role can disappear if people start doubting its value either as an instrument of trade or as a way to store value. They can doubt it for rational reasons (too much paper printed and thus too much money chasing too few goods – runaway inflation) or for irrational reasons (if it becomes "common wisdom" that money is not worth what it says it is).

Banks, as the institutions that create the money (by providing credit – when they provide a loan to you, you have "value" – money that you can spend, and the banks still has the same value for itself in its books – your obligation to repay is an asset which has value) are at the heart of what makes money "valuable".

Banks’ basic assets are the deposits from people – their first role is to store your wealth safely. The next role is to then use these deposits to lend some of that value to others while the first clients do not need it. This has evolved, with banks  providing (a lot) more loans than they actually have in hard cash, because they know that their clients do not need to take their money out of the bank very often and they do not do it all at the same time. As long as you have enough funds to take care of normal withdrawal requirements, you can recycle the rest in loans. This provides a valuable service to the economy, by converting short term deposits (money that can be withdrawn freely at any time) into long term funds (loans repayable over a more or less long period). This allows investment and thus growth.

The flip side is that it is an inherently dangerous business – if every depositor wants his/her cash back, then the bank will not have enough money at hand in the short term to pay everybody back and may be forced to fold. That is a bank run, and it can be caused by a simple loss of trust without any objective cause, in a self-fulfilling prophecy (the simple fact that people believe the bank to be weak make them take their money out, which does weaken the bank). Trust is therefore essential for a bank to function properly – trust that it will be able to service normal withdrawal requests in full at all times.

The problem is that a run on a bank does not only damage the banks and its clients, but can have an impact on the whole economy. Loss of trust in a bank can always turn into a loss of trust in the banking system; insolvency or simply illiquidity (when it does not have enough cash at hand even though it has valuable, but not liquid, assets in its books) of a bank threatens all entities that have assets with that bank – depositors, corporate treasuries, other banks, etc… and that illiquidity can spread to otherwise healthy entities. 

The existence of such macro risks, called "systemic risk" has led governments to heavily intervene in the banking sector, either directly (by owning part or all of the banking sector) or by regulating it heavily. The main tools – deposits guarantees, minimum capital requirements, risk diversification obligations, etc… have been designed after big banking crises. Here, "big" really means "big" – banking crises can typically cost 10-50% of the yearly GDP of a country to clean up.

The next problem arising form governments intervening to avoid systemic risk is that it encourages banks to take more risks, in the knowledge that they will be rescued if things go wrong. Heads, you win, tails, the government loses, why shouldn’t you play?

This is called moral hazard: it encourages reckless behavior precisely by making the consequences of such behavior less bad. This is also a problem in the insurance business (how do you get people that will be covered for the consequences of their acts not to behave dangerously?) and it is usually accompanied by a problem called "adverse selection" (if you make loans more expensive to reduce the moral hazard problem, only the people who expect not to repay you will be motivated enough to borrow…).

It’s not easy to find the right balance between making banks paying for their sins and protecting the real economy from what happens if a bank folds; banking regulators have therefore tried to impose on banks more and more detailed rules on what they can do and cannot do, and, more to the point, how much capital they should hold to do every kind of operation. This led in 1988 to the creation of the Cooke ratio, which basically says that you must put aside as capital 8% of the money you lend (you can lend any "real" money you own no more than 12.5 times). A few exceptions were created for some safer categories of loans, but the system was quite primitive.

There is a massive exercise currently under way to improve these "capital adequacy requirements", usually known under the name "Basel II" (because both the 1988 and the current exercise were run under the aegis of the Bank for International Settlements, the Central Banks’ Central Bank, which is based in Basel, Switzerland.) It is horribly complicated, so I won’t go into more detail here; but the ironic thing is that the most sophisticated banks will be allowed to decide on their own how much capital they will put aside for each operation they do (of course, they will have to follow consistent rules that are supposed to be monitored by the regulators, but essentially, they will make their own allocations). Back to square one and the Venise merchant bankers trading on their good name alone (with a big bureaucracy attached to them)…

Anyway, that’s the theoretical (and macro) part. let’s now go into the practical (and individual) ways in which bankers can be dangerous…

– Commercial bankers see their remuneration based more and more on "upfront fees", i.e. amounts paid by the client on the date of signing of the loan (or the date of disbursement) in addition to the interest which will be paid throughout the duration of the loan. Future revenues are thus of little interest to the bankers deciding how to price a transactions. Client can be tempted to ask for longer durations, accept a larger upfront fee in return for a lower interest rate afterwards. They are happy, the commercial banker is happy, and the bank gets stuck for a long time with a poorly remunerated risk.

– Commercial bankers are not really blamed, if they are wrong with everybody else. They are victims of "the Asian crisis", the "dot-com bubble", "the real estate crash", and, as long as they did not lose more money than their counterparts in other banks, it’s not too bad. Of course, they all went there in the first place because it looked attractive and juicy, and after a while, the money lent did not support viable propositions.
Bankers work in herds. Once one has shown the way to make money, they all pile in; as there are more of them, they start offering better and better terms to the clients, take more risk for less reward. "It’s the market" they say when they are in, and when it crashes, they only did like the rezst of the market, so they cannot be blamed…
On the other hand, stay out of the market when the going is good and you will be blamed for not bringing in revenues like the others. Very few banks, in my experience, seem to look at the total returns through the good and the bad times. And worst of all, commercial bankers in many financial sectors are recycled every few years, so those that might have the experience of what not to do are gone, leaving only new guys keen to make their mark, make a quick buck and fall in the same pitfalls (or new ones) on their own.

– The safeguards against these behaviors is that commercial bankers do not decide whether to make the loan or not. A "Credit Committee" decides this, and it is usually composed of the top management of the bank, with advice from the "credit department", or "risk department", i.e. the guys playing defense, who are supposed to know what can go wrong in a deal and kill unreasonable propositions. Commercial guys thus spend a lot of time "selling" their deals to the risk guys, finding a compromise on what can be acceptable. When it works well, and the risk people are competent, the results are reasonable for all, but the system can easily go astray.
The top management can care more about generating income, league table status (that’s the rankings of banks by the number of deals or the value of deals they have done) or improving their stock price by getting short term income quick; if they are powerful enough, they can overrule the risk guys in the decision-making process. Depending on how the risk department is structured, it may not know as much on the market as the commercial guys and may not always be in a position to argue against deals with enough information. Risk people do not get bonuses for deals, and may not have the same motivation to fight a deal than the commerical guys have to conclude it. This is an organisational issue which has no simple answers, and which various banks handle more or less well.

– Banks rely a lot on "syndications": the bank that makes a loan shares the risk with other banks. Some may say: "oh, if X has done the deal, it must be good, so let’s go in" without really checking what’s in it. The commercial people will say "this is a popular deal, we have to get in or we won’t be credible in the market afterwards", "it’s a chance to get closer to that client", etc… This reinforces herd behavior, fads and self fulfilling prophecies (a deal is popular because it is popular) and can lead to bubbles and reckless lending. Now, everybody is supposed to check everything, but this is not always done, and you’d be surprised at some of the things that go through the scrutiny of many extremely qualified people in many respectyable institutions without being noticed.

– In the bond market, it is even worse, because the banks that structure the deal (define its parameters and negotiate them with the borrower) do not even keep the risk.They sell it all to the bond market. Once it’s sold, they don’t really care how it fares (especially as the restructuring teams are usually completely different form the initial structuring teams if there are any problems) So how do they sell their bonds? By having massive sales desks who work, for a good part, on their reputation ("if it’s X selling the bond, it’ s surely good paper" thinks many a bond buyer). Now a reputation is something worth defending, but we see that in heady times, things can go astray pretty quickly.

Luckily, we have not had a banking crisis in recent years, thanks to decent risk management by the banks and a long streak of increasing bubbles which have each saved banks from the bursting of the previous one. The LTCM debacle in 1998 brought us really close to a total worldwide financial meltdown. It’s a bit more complicated than that, but they essentially played a supposedly safe game as described at the top of the post, and forgot that they could run out of money (in their case, they made massive bets and forgot that these bets made only sense if they had a counterparty. When the markets dried up because of the nervousness from the Asian and Russian crises, they got stuck with huge open positions that they could not cover). Who know what the new one will be?

Anyway, just because a banking crisis has not happened recently, does not mean that it will not happen again. Bankers are really smart at finding new ways to lose money, especially when it’s not theirs.

If you are still wondering what the link is between my title and the first part of the text, there isn’t, really. Maybe that – there is no free lunch. Risk has a funny way to come and bite you when you don’t expect it – and you should never let the people who have/create/play with you money forget that.

Comments

As usual, crossposted on Kos

Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 18 2005 0:04 utc | 1

Jérôme: did the banks that were drafted to back up the LTCM rescue eventually recover their investment? Or did they make money on the deal? (It’s not an easy story to keep up with!)

Posted by: alabama | Jan 18 2005 0:06 utc | 2

Good One Jerome.
This is the way the system works, and why we have security, banking, real estate or other investment-type crises periodically.
The new stars have never seen the bear at work. And they get their asses chewed up more than occasionally. And their investors’get their asses chewed up as well.
Really good statement of the parameters of the problem.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Jan 18 2005 0:27 utc | 3

Nice post Jerome.
The people will only have faith in the currency if they see value is true, but subtle images contribute also. For instance, dead presidents are on the currency for psychology. Another thing, when reading Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Will Greider he insinuated that “In God We Trust” is on the US currency for a reason. Belief in God equates into belief in the system. Images like the US is gods country. We are gods people. the religious undertone equate to confidence in the country, thus the currency.
The banks usually don’t go umder. In the early 1990s when the US banking crisis hit, a deal was struck that allowed large banks to borrow from the Federal Open market Window for very low rates, then they invested in treasury bonds to get their books strait. This was a back door taxpayer bailout organized by Greenspan.
The problem with banking is the fractional reserve system as you elude to. There is never enough money circulating in the system to pay back all of the loans created. The problem I have with this is people who go bankrupt believe it’s their fault. Many times it isn’t, because the money supply is contracted creating recession, thus not enough money for everyone to earn and pay bills. This is complex shit, but thats how the system works and how banks determine winners and losers and keep control.
Right know banking rule are tight in the US because of those tite assed repugs. When a dem is in office the money flows, when a rethug is in office the money drys up.
This is done in two ways. The repubs have always been the party of deficit spending going back to Lincoln. The rethugs borrow money from the economy, spend where they want, defence, funding some project etc. and on their friends
(Haliburton) and give tax breaks to the rich. Dems are more likely to be closer to a balanced budget, thus instead of taking money out of the economy through treasury bonds, that money must find somewhere in the private economy to make a return. Many time though this leads to speculation. Even the US stockmarket has done better under Dems. Wall Street and bankers don’t have those taxpayer bonds to invest in.
I’ll quit now.

Posted by: jdp | Jan 18 2005 1:13 utc | 4

Bankers work in herds. Once one has shown the way to make money, they all pile in; as there are more of them, they start offering better and better terms to the clients, take more risk for less reward. “It’s the market” they say when they are in, and when it crashes, they only did like the rezst of the market, so they cannot be blamed…
what in other analytical circles we call “smart for one, dumb for all” — i.e. a course of action or a strategy which seems advantageous to the individual, when pursued by a large crowd of individuals negates the advantage or worse, turns it into a disadvantage for all participants. arms races are another subspecies of SFODFA.
another aspect of SFODFA I guess is Smart for Now Dumb for Later, or the peril of short term thinking (as you note, few institutions average their performance over long enough periods to develop successful long term strategies) — one possible exception being the insurance cartels which by comparison with conventional business are “vaster than Empires and more slow”.
I wonder whether this hasty recklessness is a side effect of the decline of the family-owned establishment. if your bank or company is owned by the family, if the children inherit it from the parents, then everyone is determined to keep the concern going steadily and robustly for many generations. but if you are just a hired gun off the street, the impulse to take big risks for immediate personal gain is not offset by any sense of responsibility to your descendants. it is, unfortunately “nothing personal, it’s strictly business” at that point and removing the human/personal factor enables reckless and dangerous behaviours which the head of a family business empire would probably avoid.
it would be interesting to compare the fiscal history of the few remaining family-empire, privately-held businesses (there still are some, more in Euroland than in the US) with that of the more conventional corporations, over the last 60 years (since WWII). my bet would be that the family-owned businesses steer a safer and less volatile course.
anyway great article Jerome. your description of econ concepts and mechanisms is imho far more lucid and interesting than what one finds in the average college text. thanks!

Posted by: DeAnander | Jan 18 2005 1:40 utc | 5

Funny, you could take your introduction and applies it to Bush:
Neo-Cons are dangerous people. You bet on Iraq invasion. If invasion works, fine. If it doesn’t work, invade Syria. If invasion of Syria works, fine; if it doesn’t, invade Iran. If invasion of Iran works, great; if it doesn’t, invade Russia…
For many currencies (though less for dollar and euro), there’s an added risk with a big bank run: people won’t spend all their savings overnight, right after they picked it from the bank. So there will soon be a huge amount of printed money that will be stored at home, under the bed, in a safe, or wherever they want, but billions of savings that will be kept as savings, except these won’t be the merely virtual form they had when in the bank, but the physical form of genuine money. If the country wants to run, soon enough a major minting of coings will have to happen, or else the whole economy and trade will stop because there’s no bill left to trade. And we all know what happens when a state has to print in a hurry billions.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 18 2005 2:44 utc | 6

@CJ:
Big Difference. Bush and the NeoClowns don’t have any money or anything else left.

Posted by: Heinz G. | Jan 18 2005 3:12 utc | 7

If you are still wondering what the link is between my title and the first part of the text, there isn’t, really.
Actually, I think the link is obvious. Very nicely done, Jerome.
I did systems contract work at Freddie Mac a few years ago and that prompted me to investigate how our monetary system really works. Scary stuff. Freddie isn’t a bank, but is part of the financial system and all the dangers you describe apply to them even in their narrower sphere of operation. Much of their sales side was engaged in convincing the risk side that there really was no risk and their management backed the sales side. Even so, Fannie was still ahead of them – just better at ignoring the moral and masking the risk? The collapse of even one of these large institutions will reverberate throughout the system and affect even the institutions that have operated within the rules with integrity.
BTW, your discussion of moral risk reminded me of your defense of corporations as “moral persons” a few posts back. I am at a loss to square these two positions since this post seems to oppose what you supported on that one. Can you clarify?

Posted by: lonesomeG | Jan 18 2005 3:37 utc | 8

It’s like the cliche from old movies- Things are quiet, too quiet.
The Federal Reserve and the OCC have been stretching out the time between examinations for most banks to years. What regulations there had been have been so diluted that it is almost impossible to be fined or sanctioned for improper or excessively speculative activities. It won’t take a Gonsalez to find the S&L crisis ‘quaint’ compared to the mess that will occur when the hit comes down.

Posted by: biklett | Jan 18 2005 5:01 utc | 9

Gosh, you guys are scary. Is it really time to hide gold under the mattress?

Posted by: DeAnander | Jan 18 2005 6:49 utc | 10

Oh, I forgot one, especially televant in the context of future private accounts: asset managers are evalued through their relative performance, i.e. do they do better than other fund managers and/or better than the market. The absolute performance is not very relevant.
Private account holders, on the other hand, might conceivably be interested in the absolute performance of their assets, as, they will be spending it, not comparing it to what would have happened had they bought the Dow instead…
@Flashharry. We need to come back to the theme; like many things, the LLC is a good thing which can easily be abused. It seems that we see the abuse more these days, but I stand by my position that it is really a bad thing when LLCs do not exist.

Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 18 2005 6:52 utc | 11

the article is factually correct. these issues have been known for a long time to anybody who has ever cared to inform themselves about the workings of the financial system.
the logical conclusion which is studiously avoided by politicians everywhere is that banks should be expropriated, because, if banks are one of the main instruments through which economic policy of a nation is implemented AND keeping them in private hands brings recurring crises which ALWAYS have to be cleaned up (read: paid for) by the government, then there is no compelling reason to NOT expropriate the whole system and put it under a responsible administration with a wider set of loyalties than just a bunch of crooked capitalists.

Posted by: name | Jan 18 2005 14:04 utc | 12

@Name:
You’re liable to vex Jerome with that kind of talk.
Then he won’t give you your free alarm clock when you come through the drivethrough..

Posted by: Flashharry | Jan 18 2005 14:32 utc | 13

@Name:
Seriously, now, imagine Wolfie and Rummy as goverment bankers.
I think I just pissed my pants contemplating that.
Maybe after Little Caesar we can put banking “under a responsible administration”.

Posted by: Flashharry | Jan 18 2005 14:57 utc | 14

Barclays bank may be in need of an overdraft after being ordered to pay €1.1qn in compensation to the former owner of a Spanish bank it acquired 25 years ago
The amount – €1.1 qaudrillion (1 followed by 15 zeros) – is the equivalent of 1,400 times Spain’s Gross Domestic Product, or the wealth Spaniards could generate in 1,000 years, triggering speculation that the figure may have been the result of a typographical error by the Madrid court.
A Spanish judicial oversight body said today it will investigate how such a gigantic figure was reached.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Jan 18 2005 15:06 utc | 15

a dollar bill has value not because of any intrinsic value, but because everybody agrees that it has value and accepts it in exchange for real goods or services
Well, I have been thinking some on this. Actually there is one very valuable commodity that can only be bought by the currency of the land. Your freedom. If you don´t pay your taxes (in the local currency) you are thrown in jail.
There should be some relation between the level of taxation and the amount of currency which is guaranteed by the taxes, but I am not an economist so I stop here.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Jan 18 2005 15:08 utc | 16

Name – I am not sure that public ownership would change much to the problems I describe; actually it usually makes things worse.
The important part is “responsible administration” which I agree with and which does not really depend on the kind of ownership, but more on the kind of structural policies and regulations the banks live by.
Governments can regulate banks effectively if they put enough effort into it, but “regulation” is a dirty word on both the left and the right. On the left “administration” or “control” or “ownership” are liked more, whereas on the right, any role for the government is superfluous and harmful. So there are not many votes in pushing for good regulation – and funding the corresponding bodies to do it – with the ability to hire and pay people that know the business and that are competent…
It’s the same story in the electricity sector. There are good arguments to have competition in some parts of the business, but the management of the “public good” side of things is definitely not simple and requires a smart and effective government – strong, but not heavy-handed. A referee, but not one of the players: able to run, but not supposed to touche the ball. Setting clear rules, and able and willing to enforce them. (I’ll stop the metaphors now).
That’s where governments have value – as regulators. But as long as government work is a dirty word, the people need to do this properly will prefer to work for the private sector…

Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 18 2005 15:08 utc | 17

Flashharry: why would bankers in the public sector be any more honest, or more resourceful at risk management, than bankers in the private sector? Why would they want to be? Public loan officers are rewarded for the performance of their loans; of course they can also be bribed, but this is true for bankers everywhere.
In the matter of “bailouts,” It’s true that the Fed played a crucial role in limiting the damage of the LTCM disaster. But what did this finally cost it (or us)? I recall that the Fed compelled all the private-sector banks investing in LTCM to pay out huge amounts of money. Did those private banks somehow pass the bill back to the public? And I’d still like to know whether anyone, private or public, recouped their investments there (maybe Soros knows, since he himself took a big hit at the time in Eastern European money markets).

Posted by: alabama | Jan 18 2005 15:28 utc | 18

A book that is really, really, relevant to the moral issues being raised here is Systems of Survival; A Dialogue on the Moral Foundations of Commerce and Politics by Jane Jacobs.
I know I have flogged this book before, but not recently, so let me do it again. (Well, okay; you can’t stop me.)
In very, very, brief; her thesis is that humans have two moral systems, when it comes to work. Neither of these is wrong; they are either appropriate or inappropriate, depending on the circumstances. Also, they are syndromes, or systems: you must keep them separate and not pick and choose from them. Otherwise, the results are disasterous.
Organisations like banks have functions in both areas of morality, and as such, are very vulnerable to blurring the boundaries – or not even recognizing that there ARE boundaries – and coming to grief. And as Jérome points out, they bring a lot of other people along with them when they have such a moral catastrophe.
Has anyone else read this book? I just can’t recommend it highly enough.

Posted by: Ferdzy | Jan 18 2005 15:48 utc | 19

@alabama:
I’m not endorsing any position on this. The present system might be as good as anything else out there, to borrow from Churchill on political forms.
One of the major problems with the present system is that government regulators are often subverted when they attempt to do their jobs. This was probably one of the major causes of the magnitude of loss in the S&L fiasco in the 80s.
Several years earlier, Reagan had made one of the most amusing laissez-faire remarks I had seen up to that time.
Federal auditors of defense contracts, the argument went, cost too much money; the defense contractors, were quite capable of policing themselves.
I’m sure that attitudes of this type abound in Washington right now, to the detriment of TAXPAYERS money.
@Ferdzy:
I’ll ABE your book.
And Michael Lewis’ Liar’s Poker is a good book too–if Humorous.

Posted by: Flashharry | Jan 18 2005 16:49 utc | 20

@ Flashharry:
ABE?

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Jan 18 2005 17:02 utc | 21

Good post indeed from Jérôme. Some might be tempted to ask for increased regulation and more stringent inspection as possible solutions to bad banking. Rest assured, we’re getting both in most countries where it counts. As to how effective those might be, let me kill that turkey a little deader than Jérôme did. I’ve witnessed close inspection performed by bright people from the banking authority and believe me, they’re not keeping your money safe.
Of course we need rules and inspections. Among other things, the inspectors will:
– verify that your Cooke and other ratios are OK,
– make sure you have contingency plans if the bank burns down,
– tell you if your software needs updating or replacing,
– look at how competent your decision makers seem and whether you have proper internal audit in place.
– Pick various nits like changing passwords,
– call the police if they think you’re crooks.
All of this, while tedious to go through, forces you to make improvements and focus on topics you usually leave on the back burner.
However, inspectors have little way of measuring the inherent risk entailed by a specific investment unless it’s a duly chronicled disaster: “I would like to finance a new Concorde that gets worse gas mileage than the original”. But then most bankers wouldn’t be looking at that type of investment (I think). However, when goldfish-neckties.com seemed like a great idea to everyone, inspectors liked it too. And why wouldn’t they? They went to the same schools and read the same papers as everyone else. Agreed, they will not allow a bank to throw all of its money at goldfish-neckties.com which is important.
As sad as it might seem to some, your best bet for good banking rest essentially with good management of banks themselves. Nationalization does not improve the quality of management or decision making and a civil servant banker can throw your hard earned cash down the drain at least as well as his private banking college buddy. That remains the case even if we accept that the civil servant is more virtuous which I don’t.

Posted by: Guillaume | Jan 18 2005 17:19 utc | 22

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Posted by: Flashharry | Jan 18 2005 17:30 utc | 23

Alabama,
I believe the back door bailout of banks in the early 90s was harmfull. At that time Greenspan claims certain banks were to big to fail. This piled the load onto the American taxpayer to bail out these to big to fail banks. We even bailed out Mexican banks.
Even during Reagan we bailed out david Rockefeller and Chase bank from their bad central and south American debt. Those were named Brady Bonds. We as taxpayers have become enslaved to make sure the rich bankers keep their status.
Actually money should be released into the economy by the treasury, not loaned into the economy by the fed and banks. All money is created by debt. Money should be printed and released into the economy without debt. Any country can print money for the exchange of goods and services or as Jerome would say value. To much money never creates inflation. I will argue to my grave that point. The ability to raise prices through reduced competition causes inflation. The US is told that we have a free market economy, if we did we would do away with tax breaks for coporations and break up monopolies.
Anyway, that a whole different conversation.

Posted by: jdp | Jan 18 2005 17:32 utc | 24

@Guillaume – I have a doubt: when you say “believe me, they’re not keeping your money safe”, are you talking about the inspectors or about the bankers?!
@alabama – the rescue of LTCM is actually pretty much a textbook example of how such rescues need to be done. LTCM’s problem was one of illiquidity, i.e. they did not have the money when needed, but they did have some assets which were worth something – except that they could not be sold quickly or at a good price in the prevailing market conditions (panic). So the Fed got together a group of banks, asked them to pitch in to provide the liquidity needed by LTCM (at least a dozen billion dollars, IIRC) and stabilise the market. These banks essentially became the owners of LTCM’s assets and, with their deep pockets, took the time to sell the assets at a leisurely pace – and they actually made a profit out of it in the end. There was (i) a lot of money available, to kill off the perception (which had become real by then) that LTCM could not face its obligations (ii) strong political backing (via the Fed) for the intervention, which again provided the required perception by the market that something “real” was being done. smart psychology backed by enough financial muscle. The banks were not given much choice by the Fed – which thus did not spend a cent of public money – and had a strong incentive to act anyway : as the main counter parties to LTCM they stood to lose a lot more if LTCM failed and the illiquidity spread wider in the market. The situation was pretty dire for a while, and nothing less would have been enough.
(And actually, LTCM was not completely a sign of “moral hazard”, by encouraging risk and showing that the Fed would come to save the day – it was too close to a total financial meltdown for those involved to want to take that kind of risk again – the rescue was not a sure thing at the time it was tried…)

Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 18 2005 17:58 utc | 25

I’m reverting again to the issue of the family-owned business and the intangible currency of Reputation. There was a time, almost within my parents’ memory, certainly within my grandparents’ memory had they survived this long, when the failure of a bank was a personal disgrace. The president of a failed bank and all of his immediate family were ostracised, cast out of Society, and literally bankrupted — flung into poverty, losing their class status. If the failure were painful enough (i.e. rich people lost fortunes) then the family name might become so notorious that children and grandchildren changed their surnames to avoid the opprobrium.
This enormous hazard presented a strong motivation for respectable bankers to be conservative, cautious, and seek long term and modest opportunities rather than wildcatting, or so at least my casual reading of Victorian and Edwardian cultural artifacts suggests. There were a lot of shady personalities at work in the same era, many scams and bubbles and nonexistent Chilean silver mines; but the big banks generally steered a very careful course, or so it seems. Maybe if I knew the dirty inside history of Euro banking I would be far less impressed with the sobriety of the Establishment of those days; and I’m not saying that their investments were in any way morally nuanced — we all know how Lloyd’s made its fortune on the transatlantic slave trade, etc. But there were real consequences for gambling with investors’ money and losing badly.
My point is that today, bankruptcy or malfeasance is shrugged off as “bad luck” or with a sheepish grin like a kid caught with a hand in the cookie jar. The criminals go to jail (a white collar jail with all the luxuries) and while incarcerated, write a best selling confessional book, then emerge and take up the privileged life again with lots of media exposure, etc. There doesn’t seem to be any such thing as a loss of reputation in the financial sector. No one has to flee to Europe and live in exile, emigrate to Australia, or commit suicide with gentlemanly decorum in a private room at the Club.
The crashing of an entire company isn’t seen as a big deal. The Enron scandal blows over like a puff of smoke. The S and L fiasco, nearly forgotten except by those old enough to still be bitter about paying for it with our tax dollars (and for the way Neil Bush walked away whistling). Halliburton’s multibillion dollar carpetbagging scams — no big deal. The miscreants dust themselves off, pay a token percentage of their ill-gotten gains in fines, change their business name and get right back in the game. And the big, dumb, trusting public continues to do business with the miscreants — partly because of the total obfuscation of who really owns what, and partly because they have little choice thanks to the degree of cartel and monopoly that makes US business resemble the Mycelium far more than the charming model-railroad economy of Mr Smith’s sentimental theories.
I don’t know what is to be done about business ethics, in a culture where personal reputation no longer means anything, where there is no sense of shame or public opprobrium and the sleaziest criminals can be “lovable” media stars (or simply have their crimes forgotten in the neverending flow of new entertainment products). imho the foundation of ethics is reputation, and unless we someday achieve the “reputation server” architecture that Sterling and others have suggested, we seem to have lost that foundation stone for right conduct.

Posted by: DeAnander | Jan 18 2005 18:26 utc | 26

back@Jérôme,
Sorry, you’re right, it’s unclear: the ones who don’t protect your money are the inspectors (don’t get me wrong, they try to), the bankers are the ones who steal it 😉

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 18 2005 18:57 utc | 27

@Flashharry
> Seriously, now, imagine Wolfie and Rummy as goverment bankers.
I could imagine this particular pair and some of their friends digging holes in the desert and jumping in, begging to be shot.
@ Jerome
> Name – I am not sure that public ownership
> would change much to the problems I
> describe; actually it usually makes things
> worse.
of course the desirability of private ownership+regulation+bailouts vs. state ownership + bailouts is a tricky question if considered in this limited scope. the actual problem is, if you will, not with the bank or the banker but with the capitalistic economic paradigma underlying banks and dictating their role in society.
as an answer the narrow question ownership of the ownership of banks, i really dont care as long as the bank offers me their services without ripping me off and/or ratting me out to whomever. anybody with an account at a bank knows that banking services are expensive and that most banks give your credit information to anybody who pays them or shows a badge.
this brings in a second question or set of questions regarding the role of banks in society, what services they should provide and under which conditions. my understanding of the canonical banking institution is that of a company which provides a safe (as compared to the matress) place where people can put their money, which will lend some of their deposits and make a fair living out of this activity.
banks in todays world are far more than my canonical bank above. they not only receive deposits and dosimple money lending, but they offer an array of services around money, credit instruments, stocks and bonds, they own a fat part of any national economy, and they dont make a fair living out of all of this but they rake in money by the ton and are thus able to project the well founded image of conspicuous rich institutions. this is the side of banks (and insurances) which is better understood by people.
the less well understood sides, or roles, of banks – financial institutions in general – is that first of all they are corporations for profit and second, that they have a very influential if not determining role in the formulation and implementation in the financial/economic policies of any given country. what we have here is the undesirable – IMO – assumption of two roles which run contrary to each other within one institution. on the one side we have the bank supposedly assuming the role of the canonical bank i described above, the entrepreneur who offers a service to the public, and OTOH you have the element within society which dictates and determines what money is worth living under the same roof within an organisation which can neither be trusted to take decisions which are in the best interest of society at large nor to offer good services at a reasonable price to their direct customers.
as corporations banks live by the diktat of the capitalistic logic, which tells them to make as money as possible. this combined with their sheer power plus their ability to dictate what money and lots of other things are worth, makes their remaining in private control suspect to say the least.
the alternative, to put banks or better yet the roles they fulfill into government (formulation of economic policy is or should be a role of govt IMO), is IMO only desirable if the assumption holds true that govt takes to heart the interests of a greater group than the shareholders, or in the second case the friends and lobbyists of various ministers and parlamentarians (this scenario is called fascism).
true, bankers and banks are dangerous. this is because of the logic of accumulation they serve and the role of expropriators of wealth and value from society which they assume. bankers have succeeded in conning most people into thinking that they have nothing to do with politics, but the truth is exactly the opposite. all politics rest on the fundament of the value of things and work and what to do with them. by dictating exactly this without exposing themselves to discussion bankers have assumed a chokehold on the social processes everywhere. this is what makes them dangerous.

Posted by: name | Jan 18 2005 19:30 utc | 28

And you should read some of the stuff Al Martin writes on this subject of banks and insurance companies ripping off the public. He has or had an insiders view and it is indeed quite ugly if one accepts his word.
One of the main empowering properties of this ongoing series of scams is the revolving door – public-to-private and back of the perps. Expensive lawyers to ensure that it is all legal, or at least that there are enough partitions to hide behind in the event of public scrutiny. Enron is a good example of this kind of setup. Deniability.
The Dept of Housing and Urban Development is another good example on the govt side. It is somehow designed and refined to use real estate as a means of transferring public funds into private pockets on a very large scale. Banks and insurance companies are part of the process. Yep it is all legal too, at least the part you can see.
Given this game it is easy to see why our legislators (most of them) continue to write and pass laws that have little to do with the public good. $$$$$$$$$$

Posted by: rapt | Jan 18 2005 20:02 utc | 29

But name (@2:30 PM), who runs a Central Bank–any Central Bank, including the one that Marx calls for in The Communist Manifesto?

Posted by: alabama | Jan 18 2005 20:13 utc | 30

i had the manifesto and even read it but that was long ago. IMO central banks are as necessary to an economy as a pimple on the arse. a more material answer to your probably rhetoric question would be to ask you to look up the chart of the people who own the american federal reserve bank which is floating around the internet. this chart should also be a clear statement to those inclined to draw some raw conclusions as to what communism really is/was.
i suspect that a chart of the people who control the european central bank would contain many of the same names.

Posted by: name | Jan 18 2005 23:27 utc | 31

@Name:
Do you have a link?
If so, please post it, rather than fiddle-freaking with the tags.
I like to learn things.
Thanks.

Posted by: Flashharry | Jan 18 2005 23:41 utc | 32

Flashharry,
Just type into google “federal reserve stock holders”. It come up with many stories. I wrote Senator Carl Levin about the Federal resrve in 1993 and he sent a letter back saying the fed was quasi public-quasi private. yes it does have shareholders and they make money off the US treasury and the American people. They introduce all money as debt and collect interest.
The fed reserve is a scam and this is no conspiracy theory, it is truth.

Posted by: jdp | Jan 19 2005 4:07 utc | 33

Thanks, there, JDP.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Jan 19 2005 4:13 utc | 34

Member banks hold stock in the 12 regional Feds. They receive a nominal return on their investments. They get to decide who sits on the boards of directors. The boards usually are dominated by captains or friends of industry. Occasionally a token member is from labor or community groups.
Any interest earned by the Fed (from holding the depository institutions’ required reserves) is returned to the Treasury Dept. after operating expenses.
There is a lot more to the Fed than meets the eye, but the ownership of the regional Feds is relatively benign compared to most other aspects of this and previous regimes.

Posted by: biklett | Jan 19 2005 5:29 utc | 35

@Flashharry
here is one of many links found via google:
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

Posted by: name | Jan 19 2005 7:58 utc | 36

As I have repeatedly seen it be written that todays currencies has no real foundation are just conventions and so on, I expected someone to disagree with my assertion that currencies are guaranteed by the demand for tax-payable currency.
Do you all agree with me on this one?
Does it have any significance?
Are economists to “institutionally stupid” to figure this out on their own (it doesn´t fit in the theory)?
Or is it hushed because it might contradict the general (rightwing-economist) assertion about small state being good for buisnes?
Or is it old news, have the economists figured it out ages ago and are now looking at the consequences of this?

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Jan 19 2005 13:28 utc | 37

So biklet,
you believe the fed is benign. That fed decides how, when, where and why the economy grows in the US and most of the world. Boy, that is sure benign. That same fed burst the stock market bubble by pulling billions of dollars out of the economy. Thus causing massive loses by thousands of people. Benign? That same fed has shareholders who I bet had inside info and didn’t lose a dime. All that money had to go somewhere. All of those people who pay into 401ks money had to go somewhere. It just didn’t go puff and its gone.
I say 401k plans are a massive transfer of wealth to the rich. Plus, all of that money bys stocks of companies that put you out of work by moving operation abroad. Yep, that fed and congress are really looking out for the little guy.

Posted by: jdp | Jan 19 2005 13:34 utc | 38

jdp – I won’t comment on whether the fed is benign or not, but your assertion that the Fed “burst the bubble” is totally inaccurate. They did everything they could to keep it artifically going, until reality knocked on the door. The fall would have been much less if they had cooled off things up earlier. Instrad, they created another bubble in the past 4 years, with amazingly cheap credit, thus helping a house bubble to feed a new consumption binge and abysmal deficits… Reality is about to knock again, and it won’t be pretty, but the blame to the Fed should certainly not be for “bursting the bubble”!

Posted by: Jérôme | Jan 19 2005 13:53 utc | 39

You and I will have to agree to disagree on this one Jerome.
There was loads of liquidity pumped into the US market due tio the Asian crisis and Y2K. That money was sucked out beginning in 2000 all through until Sept 11, 2001. Look at the articles and reporting of that time and testimony to congress.
Another reason the markets have went down is Bushies fiscal policies.

Posted by: jdp | Jan 19 2005 17:23 utc | 40

jdp, please read my comment again:

There is a lot more to the Fed than meets the eye, but the ownership of the regional Feds is relatively benign compared to most other aspects of this and previous regimes.

The ownership of the 12 regional Feds by local banks was set up in 1913 to assuage fears of a national bank dominated by New York or monolithic interests. In the past, before EFT and arbitrage, regional Feds actually could set different discount window interest rates due to farm lending crises, etc.
That was the intent and extent of my ‘benign’ comment. Having worked at the SF Fed for 20 years (no longer), I know plenty about the malignant side as well.

Posted by: biklett | Jan 19 2005 17:57 utc | 41

Sorry for jumping to conclusions biklett, but the fact is the fed breaths life and death into the economy through the current setup.
Anyone with any semblance of economic background knows the fed mis-managed the money supply and caused the great depresion. The ultra wealthy sat in their ivory towers while the masses gasped for air.
I was two years out of high school when the fed decided to kill inflation under Volcker. I had few skills and I couldn’t buy a job. The rural area where I live had unemployment sometimes up to thirty percent. With what little money I received on unemployment, I pitched a tent in the middle of the woods for the summer of 1980. The fed has the power to lay the economy to waste and the lesser in society are the recipients. As you can see I’m a class warrior.

Posted by: jdp | Jan 19 2005 21:40 utc | 42

Roach says some stuff about liquididy, real rates and the Fed. NOT that he likes what he sees.

Posted by: b | Jan 19 2005 21:53 utc | 43

That whole liquidity post is very interesting. Nice reference b.
The bottom line is low interest rates carried the economy over the last few years while real wage rates fell. Thus, how will tightened liquidity and still historic lows in wage gains in this cycle work out? Bankruptsy, bankruptsy, bankruptsy.

Posted by: jdp | Jan 20 2005 0:52 utc | 44