Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
December 8, 2004
Death of the West

Barfly DM came up with this cite by Pat Buchanan:

Under a global democracy, India and China, with 2.5 billion people, would be the dominant powers, and peoples of color, five-sixths of all mankind, would enter a claim for a more equitable distribution of the world’s wealth now held by that shrinking one-sixth of all mankind that is of European descent. Global democracy is the death of the West.
Kofi’s not the problem, the United Nations is

Six people in the room and six apples. One person of European descent has 5 apples and 5 persons of color have a fifth apple each. Now introduce democracy and you may have to share more – incredible thought.

DM says:

I fear that (however awkwardly this is put) – that this is the mindset of too many USA/UK plebs and pseudo-intellectuals alike – and that the denoument to this sort of color-conscious thinking will be when they learn that they don’t have the mettle of a master-race.

Comments

You know, there is this nice image of raising all boats. If we are talking about the quality of living, not about the quantity, the good life may be closer than we think.
Of course, if to some people good living means using as much energy as possible on activities as pointless as possible OR if the good life is defined by more, more, more of everything and more, then we might all be in trouble. I don’t believe in ‘human nature’, but then again…

Posted by: teuton | Dec 8 2004 14:03 utc | 1

Meanwhile: Only 28 percent of all German trees are without visible damage. So much for the environment. But that doesn’t count as wealth anyway, I guess. Want to see BMW’s latest SUV?

Posted by: teuton | Dec 8 2004 14:08 utc | 2

I hope they don’t have the mettle of a master race. But the Talibornagains in America do have the crusader mindset and an ideology that gives them license to kill in their minds.
Funny, China recently said that America is trying to blame everyone else for their problems rather than solving them themselves (in regard to economics).
Blaming others for the American powers’ failure to create a nation that empowers its citizens seems to be the Republican mantra these days.
Ommmmm (not responsible for my skewed economic and foreign policies…)

Posted by: fauxreal | Dec 8 2004 15:54 utc | 4

Our lowest score in problem soving. That’s for sure.

Posted by: beq | Dec 8 2004 16:00 utc | 5

(solving) Spelling ain’t too good either.

Posted by: beq | Dec 8 2004 16:01 utc | 6

i’ve always thought of buchanan as being rather colorless. immigrant invasions destoying america…he’s just figuring that out now?

Posted by: b real | Dec 8 2004 16:48 utc | 7

I always have to laugh when I read Pat Buchanan. Since 9/11, I remember reading some of his articles and being troubled by the fact that I agreed with some of what he said. But he always manages to slalom around the blindingly obvious facts of US involvement in the new world order he abhors. Buchanan is really a special kind of nutbar.

Posted by: kat | Dec 8 2004 17:00 utc | 8

Since I’m at least as bigoted as the next guy (intellectual bigotry being my particular thing), I can’t complain about bigotry in other people. Take this Buchanan guy, for example: if he’d ever bothered to learn about Farsi or Sanskrit, he’d understand that “Western Civilization” is little more than a chip on the wave of “Eastern Civilization”. But he didn’t bother to learn this, and so, of course, I despise him–which is a small-minded, unhealthy thing to do.

Posted by: alabama | Dec 8 2004 17:32 utc | 9

I find myself absolutely unable to formulate a response to this: my mind is flapping around like a fish on the quayside. I have no point of contact with this guy’s mindset. I’m reduced to calling him names.
No, strike that. I do have a response: he’s right. This will lead to the end of the dominance of the West. What’s the problem?

Posted by: Colman | Dec 8 2004 17:51 utc | 10

Yeats, in “A Prayer for my Daughter”:
An intellectual hatred is the worst,
So let her think opinions are accursed.
Have I not seen the loveliest woman born
Out of the mouth of Plenty’s horn,
Because of her opinionated mind
Barter that horn and every good
By quiet natures understood
For an old bellows full of angry wind?

Posted by: alabama | Dec 8 2004 18:00 utc | 11

Nicely done Alabama, pointed me nicely to where those “mettle of a master race” qualities are lost.
The first requirement of imperial thought is to misunderstand proper human relations – and so to fill one’s own children’s minds with gobbledygook. Which brings us to the travesties of American culture and the title here…

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 8 2004 18:36 utc | 12

me at 1:36

Posted by: Citizen | Dec 8 2004 18:53 utc | 13

Kennan said it in the Forties. Kissinger said it in the 70’s. The object of US policy is and has been to “keep the peasants in their place,” to continue consuming six or seven times their share of the global pie, and under no circumstances to share with “the lesser races”. Same as the agenda of all aristocracies in all countries from the year Dot. What bugs the heck out of me — aside from the brutal amorality of the basic concept — is doing all this under the shallow veneer of “democracy and freedom”. If we are to be brutes, for godssakes let us be honest brutes and not hypocritical, smiley-faced, plastic-turkey brutes.
Every now and then someone like Kennan or Kissinger (or Pat B) lets the mask slip, makes a frank and revealing comment. But then it’s back to Enclosure and repression in happyface drag, as usual.
Aristocracies tend over time to self-destruct for various reasons that far more scholarly people than I have written about at great length. Inbreeding, arrogance, laziness, delusion, incompetence, vicious infighting… some of which I think can be seen at work among the American aristocracy. If we were only honest with ourselves we’d see the Famiglia Bush for what it is — a Royal (or at least Ducal with ambitions) House, aiming to capture the crown. Also a fairly decayed family already, in only a few generations — Dubya is hardly a splendid specimen of homo politicus, and the foolhardiness of his regime mirrors some of the follies of kingly arrogance, ignorance, and stubbornness in the histories of other empires whose names and geography only scholars know today.
So I like to think that “this too shall pass,” as inexorably it will; but in the meantime such waste, such horror, such stupidity, such ugliness and wicknedness loosed again on the innocent… when all the time we know better and, I do believe, we can do better — and sometimes have done better. It’s maddening.
There comes a point (“dog in the manger” syndrome) when the cost of not sharing, the cost of excluding those despised Others from the feast, the cost of armaments and fences and the destruction of not only one’s own economy but the soul of one’s own culture, far exceeds the cost of sharing. Just as the real profits from the insane HMO-based US medical system are dwarfed by the cost of all the mechanisms of exclusion devoted to depriving the ‘unworthy’ of medical care, the cost to ‘the West’ of the walls (material and virtual) we build to keep the peasants at bay exceeds the cost of making those peasants’ lives comfortable enough that we need not greatly fear them. The figures have been proposed often enough — a mere fraction of the US military budget would provide every family on Earth with clean water and adequate food. And so on.
There is a mindset which we Brits call “cutting of your nose to spite your face,” a kind of mania of spitefulness that accepts enormous harm to the self if only harm can be done to some hated Other. There’s also the Aesop-like anecdote about the monkey who reaches into a jar for a fistful of nuts and finds that the fist will not pass the jar mouth again — refusing to let go of his precious stash of nuts, he nevertheless cannot enjoy them, unable to get them out of the jar.
No one has a patent on these follies — it seems to be a universal human madness. A common illustration — I wonder if it only happened or was an urban legend — in the 60’s was of the White person so deeply racist that s/he would refuse a blood transfusion and risk death, if the blood came from a Black donor. The fear of Taint, the rejection of the Other, so complete that death would be preferable…
In the end I think there may be an axiom, as generally reliable as most of the axioms of physics, that the long-term cost of perpetuating injustice is always higher than the long-term cost of sharing, equalising, accommodating, making peace. That arms races are always ruinous, and walls of exclusion inevitably cost more than the cost of absorbing or assisting those whom we wished to exclude. That purity — racial, religious, political, national — pure monoculture, exclusivity, the fantasy of invulnerability and absolute privilege — is always in the long term unaffordable.
Which means that I think “the West” (as an armed redoubt of staggering privilege) is indeed doomed. And the cost of un-dooming it, i.e. abandoning the “gated community” attitude and admitting that the world is our neighbourhood, would (a) be far less than the cost of maintaining the pretence and (b) also mean the “doom” of the “West,” because the cosmopolitan and multilingual society that would result would no longer be a White-dominated, exclusive little enclave.

Posted by: DeAnander | Dec 8 2004 19:28 utc | 14

What I can’t understand is why two or three holders of their apple slice don’t gang-up…………. on the school bully……… wait, the dollar…………

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Dec 8 2004 19:47 utc | 15

Denander – you are describing something like the prisoner’s dilemna…
(And to Marcin – I need to get my thesis from a storage room to which I do not have easy access – it will come soon!)
Sorry If I am only contributing erratically and briefly these days. I am overwhelmed by work and can only steal a few moments of respite here and there (and what does it say about our world that a serious, intense, place like MoA feels like leisure time…)
Off to sleep – more kerosene to burn early tomorrow.

Posted by: Jérôme | Dec 8 2004 20:08 utc | 16

Alabama: Not to mention that the US is deep infiltrated by Estern influence, what with all these Jews and Christians and their Eastern religions 😉
DeAnander: Well, you saw the last stats from the International Labour Organisation? Half the working people on Earth, 1.4 *billion* of people, earn less than 2 dollars a day. Me thinks we have a little problem on our hands, here.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 8 2004 20:19 utc | 17

I don’t know about you, but I am counting 30 apples.
(This is a riddle.)

Posted by: MarcinGomulka | Dec 9 2004 2:08 utc | 18

DeAnander: Posting so I don’t have to.
Someone told me the other day that in the United States there is one car for every 1.7 people, while in China the ratio is one car to every 600 people and that if the Chinese ratio of cars to people were the same as in the US the world would quickly run out of steel and oil. I say bring it on! Who fucking needs steel and oil? They are SO last millennium!

Posted by: Stoy | Dec 9 2004 6:01 utc | 19

@Stoy, Walmart needs steel and oil. Steel contships to haul their massive loads of plastic slave-labour-produced cr*p from China to the US. Oil to fuel them. Oil to feed the refractories that make the plastics and the synthetic dyes and all the rest. Steel to make the machine tools, the die-stamping and rotomolding and extruding jigs and all the other machinery that creates PVC lawn furniture and inflatable play toys and nylon fibres… oil to lubricate all the cutting and moving parts of all that machinery, the millions of sewing machines, the lights by which the underpaid labour force sweats productively away late into the night. Oil to fuel the forges that roll out the steel, to fuel the heavy equipment that mines the ore to make the steel… steel to form the cutting bits of the drilling rigs that drill for the oil…
Cheap oil equals cheap steel equals cheap oil…
… “the Spice must flow.”

Posted by: DeAnander | Dec 9 2004 6:46 utc | 20

The quote from Herbert’s Dune -“the spice must flow” – reminds me of one of the best pop song summations of the world problematique – the Greatful Dead’s “Throwing Stones” –
about the traffic in powders, they say –
“black flows south and white flows north” –
the “black powder” being armaments, the “white powder” being cocaine and heroin –
another way to put it would be “human beings do not live by bread [oil] alone”, but by the hope for relief (a new regime, not the same as the old regime – after a necessary cycle of violence [black powder]- or a period of intoxication when one can feel intensely good, if only for a short while[white powder])
Speaking of which, who can point me towards an insightful, accurate analysis of who controls and benefits from the trade in white powders? As the saying goes, “follow the money” – has someone succeeded in doing that, and lived to tell the tale?

Posted by: mistah charley | Dec 9 2004 18:29 utc | 21

mistah charley: Greatful Dead’s “Throwing Stones” –
…about the traffic in powders, they say –
“black flows south and white flows north”

Very nice, mistah c… as to who controls the flow of the white powder, I thought that’s been the CIA for a long time now. Anybody else have another insight?

Posted by: Kate_Storm | Dec 9 2004 18:45 utc | 22

Well the Ruppert outfit claims to have a good understanding of the trade in white powders and what becomes of the money generated by it. He’s a big fan of Catherine Austin Fitts, who seems to have a fairly comprehensive theory about money laundering and the international ueber-Mafia. I haven’t read their stuff closely enough to have an opinion. Could be cranky ravings, could be genuine investigative journalism.

Posted by: DeAnander | Dec 9 2004 19:08 utc | 23

mistah charley – start w/ these
drugs/cia
drugs/dea
rodney stitch also

Posted by: b real | Dec 9 2004 20:00 utc | 24

make that rodney stich

Posted by: b real | Dec 9 2004 20:03 utc | 25

there is the great expert on the matter, dr alfred mccoy – who teaches in u s – he is a meticulous fellow & its been his foci for nearly 40 years – his updated – the politics of heroin in south east asia – & he has a number of other works – that indict the cia – in the clearest possible terms on the evidence – & dear mccoy is an empiricist of the most exacting kind – though very dense – it is a leisurely read. substantial.
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 9 2004 20:24 utc | 26

also check out the gnn video crack the cia. the intro is a classic.

Posted by: b real | Dec 9 2004 20:29 utc | 27