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December 21, 2004
Another Open Thread
News + view + opinions Side note: I would like to post more of your writings at the Moon. Please send anything you feel to be appropriate to my email address on the About page.
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Pentagon Says 22 Killed, 50 Hurt in Mosul Attack Posted by: b | Dec 21 2004 14:57 utc | 1 TORT REFORM? Posted by: Max | Dec 21 2004 15:19 utc | 2 Update (someone asked about this a few weeks ago; sorry, can’t remember who): Posted by: kat | Dec 21 2004 15:43 utc | 4 That’s just insane. The issue isn’t that religious Muslims were discriminated, the issue is that there is a friggin religious-based arbitration in an apparently sane and civilised country like Canada. The basis for human rights, any modern constitution, and kind of secular societies, is that the Law applies similarly for everyone. Having faith-based legal arbitrations just destroys any pretense of being religion-neutral; it implies that there are fundamental differences between religions and between various faithfuls, which is the first step toward religious discrimination. Congrats to Mr. Boyd; now, if you follow his reasoning, any hate crime based upon religion is legitimised. French secularism seems wiser to me with every passing month (well partly wiser, since these hypocrites ban “big crosses” but apparently allow the small ones, but obviously target every hijab). Posted by: CluelessJoe | Dec 21 2004 15:55 utc | 5
This is, as I understand it, an approved arbitration procedure, not law. The parties in a civil case have the right to go to arbitration with an approved party rather than going through a civil court. If they can’t come to an agreement they go to court. What’s the problem? If you’re not happy to go to that arbitration, don’t. If two parties want to go into arbitration with a tossed coin that’s fine with me too. @ Clueless Joe: Posted by: kat | Dec 21 2004 16:13 utc | 7 Mosul attack latest: dozens of U.S. troops killed and injured Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 21 2004 16:51 utc | 8 Chicken Tenders Posted by: biklett | Dec 21 2004 16:55 utc | 9 @colman Posted by: b | Dec 21 2004 17:40 utc | 10 (1.) Blair flies into Baghdad at 11 AM; (2.) the Mosul base is bombed an hour later; (3.) several hours after that, two French journalists are released from a captivity four months long….No one has said that the last two events were coordinated, or, still less, that they were coordinated as a reponse to the first event. And if they were so coordinated, who would dare to point this out? To do so would be the same as arguing a degree of integration at the command-level at least as refined as any boasted by the “coalition of the willing”. Posted by: alabama | Dec 21 2004 18:01 utc | 11 Top Secret to Biklett: Posted by: Kim Philby | Dec 21 2004 18:13 utc | 12 Eyewitness Interview: “Iraq Is An Absolute Disaster” Posted by: Cloned Poster | Dec 21 2004 18:20 utc | 13 Via NBC Posted by: Cloned Poster | Dec 21 2004 18:32 utc | 14 Any chance the human rights organisation who is indicting Rummie in Germany can do the same with Bush before late February 2005? Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 21 2004 19:08 utc | 15 CP Who is behind Ansar al-Sunna?
The united Italian chefs demanded revenge. Posted by: b | Dec 21 2004 19:33 utc | 16 @ Max & rapt, re “smokescreen”: Posted by: catlady | Dec 21 2004 20:44 utc | 17 Stunning breakthrough in American intelligence analysis: U.S. blames insurgents for Mosul attack Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 21 2004 20:59 utc | 18 can’t help a quick rantlet — on way to work I see a headline: “Bomb Kills 60 in Iraq” “Muslims have right to use Shariah law” is like saying that professional baseball players “have the right to use steroids”. The reason for outlawing them is to protect players from being pressured by the owners to use them. Same principle w/the other, but even worse. As I’ve said the problem w/bringing to many of them in is that they Do Not Integrate. Their own churches, schools & legal system? So, if I were stupid enough to marry one of them, would I lose access to my own legal system? Posted by: jj | Dec 21 2004 21:55 utc | 20 If you think laws don’t matter… Posted by: jj | Dec 21 2004 22:06 utc | 21 Interesting article from Haaretz on investment in the airline business but he fails to mention Ryanair. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Dec 21 2004 22:48 utc | 22 The end of warfare – Victory in Falluja Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 21 2004 23:16 utc | 23 @jj Water off a duck’s back, eh? Posted by: DM | Dec 21 2004 23:25 utc | 24 @DM, good point. On MB’s I tend to steer clear of religious rants. The groundswell from the American right wouldn’t blink an eyelid if the Sunni were obliterated by neutron bombs tomorrow. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Dec 21 2004 23:49 utc | 25 The End Of Warfare Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 22 2004 0:57 utc | 27 Good article from Outlook India. Perhaps a phrase could be coined for the gung ho crowd: Warons (or maybe Worons). Posted by: biklett | Dec 22 2004 1:28 utc | 28 @DM, then you have ZERO grounds upon which to object to native grown fundies. If you cannot comprehend the difference between bigotry & self-preservation, you have a serious gap in yr. understanding. Posted by: jj | Dec 22 2004 2:01 utc | 29 @jj Posted by: DM | Dec 22 2004 2:47 utc | 30 Hello everyone: Posted by: jdp | Dec 22 2004 2:57 utc | 31 self-preservation? Posted by: b real | Dec 22 2004 2:58 utc | 32 jj Posted by: Sic transit gloria USA | Dec 22 2004 3:02 utc | 33 b real Posted by: slothrop | Dec 22 2004 3:06 utc | 34 sic transit Posted by: slothrop | Dec 22 2004 3:08 utc | 35 b real, Posted by: Sic transit gloria USA | Dec 22 2004 3:09 utc | 36 slothrop, Posted by: Sic transit gloria USA | Dec 22 2004 3:30 utc | 37 I think others are being even harder on jj than I am inclined to be 🙂 his/her remarks are indeed provocative, and if I were Muslim they might enrage me, but I guess I have enough understanding to engage constructively — or try to. DC politicians soon to be a endangered species
Well, maybe there is also a little hope in this story. I mean if male fish are able to produce eggs, maybe someday politicians are able to produce some real compassion. Posted by: Fran | Dec 22 2004 6:18 utc | 40
Posted by: Fran | Dec 22 2004 6:47 utc | 41 @DeAnander Posted by: DM | Dec 22 2004 7:45 utc | 42 So I’ve been catching a bit of the media coverage on the Mosul attack, and must say it’s a little odd. There is this air of suprise in the reportage, as if it was some unwarranted, unexpected, and outrageous violation of innocence. While not to make light of the actual tragic death of individual soldiers, there is an almost Keene painting like sentamentalization that I’ve not seen before — and coupled with all the Rumsfield armor and rubber stamp signiture stuff, there is this distinct wiff of “victimization” in the wind. After the destruction of Fallugha, and the deaths of over a thousand resistance fighters, and untold number of civilians, all ballyhooed as” breaking the back of the insurgency” its just a little disconcerting, when they strike back in similar fashon, to see everybody from command to the media go all big eyed and weepy. On one hand, you think what the fuck could they be thinking? destroy huge pieces of their cultural legacy, kill 100thousand innocents, cant even get the electricity back on after 20 months, and on and endless on, and coupled with an ever growing resistance and degenerating security — you would think this kind of attack would be ever more expected and understood, and so then maybe it is, and so maybe, just maybe, it is, with only the (unblameable) civilian government to blame the military and media is putting out some little plea to the sheeple as to their hopeless plight and untenable position. Running fast out of options, it’s either start the blame game now, or it’s more genocide and more retaliation. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 22 2004 10:49 utc | 43 If this would have happend in France, the US press would have made a full brahoah:
Posted by: b | Dec 22 2004 12:00 utc | 44 As a GI on the scene remarked, anna missed (and I may not have it exactly right), “this has ruined Christmas for a lot of families back home”. Posted by: alabama | Dec 22 2004 13:53 utc | 45 Predictions Anyone? Posted by: DM | Dec 22 2004 13:56 utc | 46 I predict that bush’s body will shrivel up until it looks just like his little shriveled black heart…. oh, sorry, must have dozed off… Posted by: beq | Dec 22 2004 14:43 utc | 47 It would sit easier if the Mosul attack had been an inside-the-wire operation – a suicide bomber or bomb-in-place. Posted by: Pat | Dec 22 2004 14:50 utc | 48 Good afternoon, evening or morning, Posted by: RG | Dec 22 2004 15:07 utc | 49 re 4) RG, Milburn. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Dec 22 2004 15:27 utc | 50 Pat, I thought Hussein’s army was well trained in the management of artillery. And wouldn’t 15 km. be a bit of a stretch for competent gunners lacking the leisure to bracket their target? If so, then finding a secure placement at closer range with good forward observation would be the greater problem–one whose solution would lie in reliable inside information…. I fuss about this because I’m convinced that Americans ignored three things when invading Iraq–namely, that Hussein’s army was (and would remain) well organized, well equipped and well trained (and surely the same is true for much of his civilian infrastructure). My guess that the Mosul bombing and the French hostage release were coordinated with Blair’s visit takes this survival of Hussein’s military and civilian infrastructure as its premise –or sees it as a premise to be entertained as things unfold…. Posted by: alabama | Dec 22 2004 15:53 utc | 51 Is it time to buy Coca Cola stocks again?
I knew there is a great versatility to coke, like removing rust, but this is a new one. The only thing I wouldn’t use coke for is drinking. Posted by: Fran | Dec 22 2004 17:37 utc | 52 Crystal balls are dangerous toys. All those glass splinters embedded deep in the ego when things go wrong… Bush is pinned down. He has no money, no credibility abroad, and no meaningful options in Iraq–hence no meaningful options in other parts of the world. He will seduce, convulse, torture, and go into familiar kinds of hiding. He will hold hands with all and sundry, and in the meantime, blood and treasure will flow through open wounds in Iraq and even, who knows?, in some neighboring scenes as well (some in Syria and Northern Kurdistan, but not so much in Iran). If something unstable happens in Pakistan, Bush will do nothing more than watch with worried eyes. Putin will get away with murder, and Blair will keep his distance. Condoleeza Rice will be an embarassment, and Rumsfeld will leave in confusion…..This prophecy Merlin shall make, for I live before his time. Posted by: alabama | Dec 23 2004 0:21 utc | 54 @alabama Posted by: Pat | Dec 23 2004 0:33 utc | 55 What the images of Phantom Fury did not convey is that this assault is the largest concentration of heavy armor in one place, since the fall of Berlin. This was the first time since World War II that “an American armored task force” has been turned “loose in a city with no restrictions”. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 23 2004 0:57 utc | 56 Posted by: DM | Dec 23 2004 0:57 utc | 57 not only repulsed, but perhaps defeated, it leads to something that ought to be examined more carefully. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 23 2004 1:00 utc | 58 (extract continued) Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 23 2004 1:03 utc | 59 the author of the above article is – abhay mehta Posted by: remembereringgiap | Dec 23 2004 1:07 utc | 60 My mother’s attorney, a Democrat with connections to VA Gov. Mark Warner, had a cheery 2005 prediction: this administration has been such a disaster that the Republicans will begin to turn on it in a pin-the-blame game, weakening W so that none of his agenda gets through. Rumsfeld, he thinks, is just the first act. I agree with him on Rumsfeld, but am not as confident about the complete unraveling he expects. A nice thought, though. Posted by: lonesomeG | Dec 23 2004 1:45 utc | 61 Response to some of the above, ha ha ??? Posted by: anna missed | Dec 23 2004 3:06 utc | 62 I think it was the improvisation effect of the above exchange that returned that memory — I liked it. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 23 2004 3:15 utc | 63 anna missed Posted by: slothrop | Dec 23 2004 4:04 utc | 65 In 2005: Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Dec 23 2004 4:04 utc | 66 @SKOD: Posted by: FlashHarry | Dec 23 2004 4:20 utc | 67 A few images (US Wounded) behind the weasel words of war-mongoring bastards. Posted by: DM | Dec 23 2004 4:26 utc | 68 Next, SKOD, Posted by: FlashHarry | Dec 23 2004 4:30 utc | 69 And I thought the Canadians would have cornered the cross market by now. Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Dec 23 2004 4:40 utc | 70 Flashharry. Posted by: anna missed | Dec 23 2004 4:44 utc | 71 @SKOD: Posted by: FlashHarry | Dec 23 2004 5:10 utc | 72 And God Jul (a swedish kind of christmas) to All! Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Dec 23 2004 12:22 utc | 73 Top Air Force Lawyer Steps Aside; Investigators Examine Alleged Sexual Conduct With Subordinate
from LawyerNews.com and Washington Post Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 23 2004 19:05 utc | 75 International Oil Daily Posted by: slothrop | Dec 24 2004 2:05 utc | 76 WHEN STUDENT OF SOCRATES & HABERMAS BECOMES MAYOR OF BOGOTA, COLUMBIA. Posted by: jj | Dec 24 2004 3:05 utc | 77 The True Values of The Day -By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all. Posted by: Fran | Dec 24 2004 17:53 utc | 79 I can’t believe this – talk about values. Only in America. Posted by: Fran | Dec 24 2004 18:12 utc | 80 A late entry in the 2005 prediction game… Posted by: DM | Dec 29 2004 12:35 utc | 81 @ DM Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 29 2004 15:23 utc | 82 |
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