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November 19, 2004
3rd Iraq Thread

For reference: 2nd Iraq Thread and Iraq Thread

Broken Backs

Apr. 8, 2003

The lack of resistance, the raid on Saddam’s palace and the victories of previous days sparked growing elation among US troops. "I think we have broken their back," said Sgt Ray Simon. "I really think this whole thing is almost over."
Saddam’s power is broken

Feb. 4, 2004

U.S. soldiers are dying at a rate of more than one a day in Iraq, despite some commanders’ recent claims to have broken the back of the insurgency.



Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack Jr., commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, told reporters on Jan. 6 that "we’ve turned the corner" in the counter-insurgency effort in his area of responsibility, the western part of Iraq, which includes a part of the "Sunni Triangle" west of Baghdad.
Iraq toll climbs despite claim of `turning corner’

Nov. 18, 2004

"We feel right now that we have, as I mentioned, broken the back of the insurgency and we’ve taken away the safe haven," [Lt. Gen. John] Sattler said in a briefing outside Falluja monitored at the Pentagon.
Falluja Breaks the Back of Iraq Rebels – U.S. General

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……Fighting raged in the rubble of Falluja, a city largely decimated by American troops during a week-long offensive. Two Marines were killed and four wounded in a guerilla ambush, military officials said. The offensive smashed a safe haven for the insurgents, but guerillas still roam the devastated streets, sniping at American troops and scaring away military engineers brought in to try to reconstruct the city……
Violence rages in Iraq, US Marines still dying in Falluja
Silence surrounds fates of contractors in Iraq
Panel says Iraq elections will be on January 30th 2005
Russia blocking Paris Club debt relief for Iraq – G20 source
Falluja women, children in mass grave
Grim, angry rites as Falluja buries its dead
No date set for residents return to Falluja
Bodies of 4 Iraqis murdered in mosque flown to U.S. for autopsies in Falluja inquiry
What happened to hearts?
Bomber targets police chief in Hilla
8 Iraqi Guardsmen killed in Ramadi ambush
Iraqi civilians gunned down at checkpoint
Why embedded journalists are being taken for a ride
U-S forces conduct raid on ‘high value target’ – witnesses report Sunni cleric arrested
U.S. survivor describes ‘disciplined’ Iraq rebels
Three more bodies found in Mosul
The best, brightest, wealthiest flee Iraq
Militant groups control 60 percent of Fallujah – witnesses
US soldiers in Iraq suffer horrific brain and mental injuries
Florida Marine killed in Iraq
New Jersey Marine killed in Iraq
West Virginia Marine killed in Iraq
Another Florida Marine killed in Iraq
Indiana Marine killed in Iraq
US military deaths in Iraq as at Saturday November 20th 2004 – revised to ‘at least 1,221’
Kevin Sites – An open letter to US Marines about Falluja mosque killings
New ‘most dangerous place in Iraq’ discovered, allegedly chock-full of ‘Zarqawi’s people’
‘This is now the most dangerous place in Iraq. We are coming up against Zarqawi’s people’

Posted by: Sic transit gloria USA | Nov 22 2004 3:23 utc | 101

Random Thoughts on the Murder of Margaret Hassan

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 22 2004 10:58 utc | 104

Whoever the Britons are, one had a security clearance pass for the US embassy in Baghdad:
Britons arrested after Baghdad gunfight

Posted by: Sic transit gloria USA | Nov 22 2004 13:05 utc | 105

Negroponte’s death squad members?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 22 2004 13:18 utc | 106

Holiday in Fallujah
Written by a GI

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 22 2004 15:28 utc | 107

Iraq Mess Likely Isn’t Spontaneous

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Nov 22 2004 15:41 utc | 109

Falluja U.S. Marines were conducting painstaking weapons searches in the Iraqi city of Falluja on Monday when they spotted a man with an AK-47 rifle on a nearby rooftop.
Armed only with a light weapon, he could never stand up to what they were about to unleash. But he was enough to distract Marines from a task that is key to stabilizing Falluja after a U.S.-led offensive crushed rebels controlling the Sunni Muslim city.
The angle of the rooftop could not quite accommodate the trajectory of a shoulder-launched Javelin missile so Marines fired the more direct, wire-guided TOW missile after a debate.
Then they fired hefty .50 caliber machinegun rounds at the rooftop, blew up a door and stormed a living room. It was an impressive display of firepower but they raided the wrong house.
When they finally made it to the pulverized rooftop with smoke still rising from the machinegun bullet holes, the man with one rifle they were seeking had escaped………
Marines hampered by security fears in Falluja
Iraq election may yet be postponed – Arab ministers

Posted by: Sic transit gloria USA | Nov 22 2004 18:56 utc | 110

@Sic –
TOW against AK47 – $180,000 a shot against some $0.30 – how long is that sustainable?

Posted by: b | Nov 22 2004 19:22 utc | 111

Funny, I didn’t think wire-guided missiles were originally meant to shoot people, but something bigger, truck or light-armored tank. Of course, people hadn’t a 400+ bio military budget then, so things may have changed now that money is aplenty.
“Avineri wonders whether it is impossible for Saddam Hussein to stage a comeback. He cautions that it is “highly unlikely,” but adds, “stranger things have happened.”
If most of the guerrilla was planned by Saddam, then releasing him and replacing Allawi by the true head honcho may be the best way of eradicating the insurgents. Most will simply reenlist in Mukhabarat and Republican Guard and the attacks will sharply decrease. Of course, then the US Army would have to work with Saddam to deal with a strong Shia rebellion – but they have some experience with that, since 1991.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Nov 22 2004 19:38 utc | 112

Hawks push for deep cuts in forces in Iraq (above link)
So let me get this sraight, we fucked everything up in Iraq because we had too many troops on the ground — we should downsize troop strength after the elections — move US troops more to border guard — the large US military presence is stimulating the insurgency — etc, etc
I do’nt know why but this logic reminds me of somethin I saw in a bar once.
— Was in this bar on a friday night, kinnda crowded. There was this guy who was very drunk and taking up a whole table himself in the middle of the bar, people wanted to sit but he was to obnoxious to be near, but also would’nt leave. As the night wore on, the guy finally passed out in his chair, and did so in such a way as to be precariously and oddly balanced in the chair.His position was in fact so odd that it slowly began to capture everyones attention in the bar. So there was this moment when the whole bar was staring at this guy in a kind of rapt disbelief — and in that moment — his balance was lost and to the floor he crashed in a heap. Suprisingly to everybody, the guy just almost jumped to his feet, then staggered back a bit when he relized everyone was watching, and so then declared most emphatically to all those watching “I WAS PUSHED!” He then staggered on out the door.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 22 2004 21:01 utc | 113

Michael Massing on Iraq coverage and the election
Good overview and background on media behaviour.

Posted by: b | Nov 22 2004 21:08 utc | 114

@anna missed
Those people see Afghanistan as a “model”. Afghanistan is now a narco state with billions of revenue controlled by warlords that do not care who is the current mayor of Kabul.
Afghanistan is more a failed state now than it has been under the Taliban. And its drugs will have desastrous consequences for its neighbors. Nobody picked up the story yet, but wait a few years and it will be obvious that a social catastrophy is born there right now.

Posted by: b | Nov 22 2004 21:34 utc | 115

b
wonder also at entanglements. during the vietname war the ‘resource poor’ intelligence services widened their waterfron to accept some new funding from the heroin trade as clearly spelt out in the work of dr alfred mccoy in his ‘politics of heroin the cia & south east asia – he is an expert on extralegal financement of the cia. have seen him cited here – think he’s teaching in america. a very very good mind.
what i remember from his book was tthe immediate & total acceptance of this trade as a norma form of functionnement. the commencement too of the nugan hand bank, the BCCI & other forms of money laundering. wouldn’t be at all suprprised how deeply they may be involved in that trade
why kill a bird with one stone when you can use ten stoned
the knowledge that this crop would reach the kind of levels it is now is not a surprise & i just wonder in what ways the united states is involved in that development
think dr mccoy also an expert on the ‘school of americas’. will google & find out
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 22 2004 22:54 utc | 116

google s’s
he professor at university of wisconsin-madison – that heroin & its relation to the cia – a specialty. note he has wriiten a newer book on the cia, drug lords & another on the famous thai drug king. also an updated politics of heroin in south east asia. it is a work of a brilliant mind. in tthe seventies he was the first person to make the links he was making & he was making them from a university & i remember him being very very tough indeed. if anybody would know what american intelligence service are doing with the heroin of afghanistan he would
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 22 2004 23:05 utc | 117

r’giap
Clandestine service involvement is very possible. The UK had the task to keep Afghanistan clear of opium. They didn´t even try.
The drug money will feed the new Taliban as well as US supporting governments in the other -stans. It´s a recipe for further disaster.
Also if US forces stay in Iraq for another year, expect some highly edicted GIs coming back to the States.

Posted by: b | Nov 22 2004 23:14 utc | 118

GWB – a restraining force
Thus, a prediction: As neoconservatives in the war Cabinet push impatiently for more troops in Iraq, for strikes on Iran, for military confrontation with North Korea, the restraining force – no longer Colin Powell or the CIA – will be George W. Bush.

Posted by: DM | Nov 22 2004 23:21 utc | 119

Bernhard: Frankly, I never personally thought Taliban Afghanistan was a failed state. One can argue it was before, or that Somalia has been for the latest 15 years. But the Talibans controlled the country and you probably could let your wallet on the street and find it the next day, thanks to the terror that reigned in the country. It wasn’t a failed state, just a totalitarian state of a very uncommon kind. Which doesn’t mean the country was necessarily better than before, or than it is now – though my personal distaste of religious ruling countries, I certainly won’t complain that this regime fell.
And indeed, since the drug route go through Iran (massively hit) then Turkey, to Europe, it’s pretty easy to imagine that Iraq is or will be heavily supplied with this nasty stuff. The Westerners and exiles there have much more money than the average junkie in Tehran or Ankara.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Nov 22 2004 23:52 utc | 120

b
yes. scenarios of vietnam being played out again & again.
to follow the narrative – one of the central thesis of the cia involvement in the heroin trade of south east asia other than money was that the heroin was directed into afro american populations in america – wherever there was a highly politicised black or latino leadership that’s where the heroin went – the militants in the communities tried to fight it – they lost. many have spoken of this as the concious genocide of the community.
ward churchill, phillip agee & the much reviled ramsey clark have sd heroin was used to wipe out two generations of political leadership in the afroamerican community
this history has been recorded by those communites & has been noted in a number of relevant books. dr alfred mccoy was only the first & amongs the most incisive
& these criminals, this filth, dare to teach the world civic duty morality. these criminals who make luckly luciano, frank costello the dons carlo gambino & genovese seem like cardinals of the church
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 23 2004 0:15 utc | 121

Interesting, depressing observations from Spencer Ackerman over at Iraq’d:
“NEXT STOP KIRKUK: Mosul is now in essence independent from the central government and at war with itself. Thanassis Cambanis of The Boston Globe recently observed that the real power in the city derives from “a constellation of groups–insurgents and Arab nationalists on the west bank of the Tigris River, Kurdish political parties and militia on the east bank, and Turkomen in pockets throughout the city.” (Thanks to Eric Umansky.) The stars do not happily exist in that constellation: Just today, a leading figure in the Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars was assassinated in the city. The multiethnic Mosul, once considered a model city, is fast becoming Sarajevo.
“That won’t be anything compared to Kirkuk. As George Packer recently wrote, given the fervent and competing claims on Kirkuk, that city could truly be where the first shots of the Iraqi civil war are fired. (Though it could be contended that Iraq is in the midst of a civil war now, I’d argue that what’s been happening over the last several months has put Iraq more into the category of failed state–where the government exists largely on paper and various factions have consolidated control over competing centers of power–while the Hobbesian civil war is just over the horizon.) According to today’s edition of the London-based Arabic-language newspaper Azzaman, the battle lines are getting drawn in Kirkuk as we speak…:
Iraq’d

Posted by: Bea | Nov 23 2004 1:06 utc | 122

@STGUSA:
Thanks. The rhetoric sure does meet the reality over six miles of road.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Nov 23 2004 2:40 utc | 124

The Promised Land

Posted by: DM | Nov 24 2004 8:56 utc | 125

The previous link was a link from an article by Kurt Nimmo, and the web site source of this article is neither promoted nor recommended by me. The reference is purely is relation the Straussians, their backing of greater Irael, and the ‘realities on the ground’.

Posted by: DM | Nov 24 2004 9:16 utc | 126

i need to help me for more information about all happen & accedent in iraq thank you

Posted by: ary | Nov 4 2005 19:29 utc | 127