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October 13, 2004
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The president of Baltimore-based Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc., which owns the local Fox television affiliate, was arrested Tuesday night and charged with committing a perverted sex act

Link
Sinclair plans to broadcast an Anti-Kerry movie short before the election. The above will help to stop this as the various actions Josh Marshall and Atrios have taken.
But I have different question.

[Police] said they witnessed the two engage in oral sex while Smith drove north.

How can any grown up call this an unnatural and perverted sex act?

Posted by: b | Oct 13 2004 20:33 utc | 1

@B:
A lot of really serious issues here.
That’s probably how the Maryland satute refers to the act. These type laws have been on the books for over 100 years.
They should have just charged him with distracted driving, and let him explain it all in court. That would have been even funnier.

Posted by: FlashHarry | Oct 13 2004 20:57 utc | 2

They should have just charged him with distracted driving
Why – he did drive north. Where else can you drive in that situation?

Posted by: b | Oct 13 2004 21:42 utc | 3

Some thoughts on oil, dollar, gold in Ominous: The US deficit vs the dollar
Economic vodoo, if you are not familar with this stuff, but serious for your financials. I´ll try to boil this down tomorrow.

Posted by: b | Oct 13 2004 22:31 utc | 4

@B,
Old joke- Coming and going don’t mix.
Oil (via Xymphora):
“The days of giving oil away for free belong to the past . . .”

Posted by: biklett | Oct 13 2004 23:39 utc | 5

If you haven’t seen it yet, head over to thesmokinggun.com and read the torrid details of the sexual harrassment suit against Bill O’Reilly of Fox, brought against him by producer Andrea Makris. The guy is clearly ill, and the suit will finish him. It is unbelievable (and disturbing) reading.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 14 2004 0:40 utc | 6

My synopsis of Bush in the 3 debates:
1) Narcotics
2) Stimulants
3) Tranquilizers
Obviously, by tonight (3) they managed to get him on the appropriate “meds” for overall presentability. But his credibility is still clearly non-existent.

Posted by: JMFeeney (USA) | Oct 14 2004 3:07 utc | 7

JMFeeney…
I am glad someone can tell if he is coming or going or chilling.
If you are right–and his eyes were rather watery tonight (did you note also the lack of muscle tension on the left side of his face?)–our best bet is to hope they continue to slip extra tranqs into his Mickeys.
This is especially so if he should win the election. A mellow Bush is about all the world can take for another four.
And speaking of mellow….Kerry was nearly somnolent tonight. Initially I was furious at his passivity. He should have wound up with at least a few caffeine pills. Or maybe, avoided that bike ride yesterday.
But then, as with Bush, maybe a somnabulist is really what a doctor would order for America right now. Someone who is too tired or too tranqed to push the boundaries of Empire any further.
Americans may be in a mood to give their vote to the candidate who demonstrates the least initiative. Someone who will put us gently to sleep everynight. If so, Kerry won big tonight.

Posted by: koreyel | Oct 14 2004 4:06 utc | 8

Little bit o’ irony (from a former Sundevil): The final debate was held in Grady Gammage Auditorium on the ASU campus in Tempe, AZ. The design of the building, by Frank Lloyd Wright, originated in earlier plans for the Crescent Opera Civic Auditorium in, wouldn’t ya know, Baghdad.

Posted by: catlady | Oct 14 2004 4:23 utc | 9

I am sure all of you have noticed the heartfelt news over at Today in Iraq.
As much as we all miss Billmon’s brilliant pen, I suspect Yankee Doodle is equally missed.
There are two huge holes now out there.
Hopefully Yankee Doodle will be back in a week or so to continue his good work for gratis. What a remarkable person.
While none of us are irreplaceable, some of us are more irreplaceable than others.
Salud Yankee Doodle, Salud.

Posted by: koreyel | Oct 14 2004 4:27 utc | 10

Better pictures:
baghdad
tempe

Posted by: catlady | Oct 14 2004 4:31 utc | 11

Catlady,
I saw a production of Aida in that building.
At intermission I walked to all the building’s corners and visited the various seating sections.
I noted the carpets, the bathrooms, the ceilings, the hallways, the aisles, the seats, the stair railings.
It was all so damn gorgeous.
I didn’t think my perspective could be further enriched. Thanks for the further enrichment.
Fascinating.

Posted by: koreyel | Oct 14 2004 4:36 utc | 12

@ Koreyel:
When I was a student at ASU, I was in a production of “Kismet” in Gammage Auditorium. For a giggle, look up the song “Was I Wazir? I Was!”

Posted by: catlady | Oct 14 2004 4:45 utc | 13

History may rhyme. (But you already suspected as much, didn’t you?) From the Seattle Times:
Provisional votes could be this year’s hanging chads
By Anne Gearan
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Call it the law of unintended consequences.
A new national backup system meant to ensure that millions of eligible voters are not mistakenly turned away from the polls this year, as happened in 2000, could wind up causing Election Day problems as infamous as Florida’s hanging chads.
Congress required conditional, or provisional, voting as part of election fixes passed in 2002. For the first time, all states must offer a backup ballot to any voter whose name does not appear on the rolls when the voter comes to the polling place on Nov. 2. If the voter is later found eligible, the vote will count.
But Congress did not specify exactly how the provisional votes will be evaluated.
Add the ordinary problems that come with something new, and the result is a recipe for mix-ups at the polls and lawsuits over alleged unequal treatment of some voters, said Doug Chapin, executive director of Electionline.org, a nonpartisan clearinghouse for information on election reform.
“If I had to pick the one thing that will be source of controversy on Election Day, it will be provisional voting,” Chapin said.
State election officials have adopted differing standards for when a provisional ballot will count; some of those rules are still in flux three weeks from the election.
Rules for who casts provisional ballots and how they are counted probably will vary even within states, especially if there are long lines, confusion and hot tempers at the polls, election experts said.
Some states where the race is tightest, such as Florida and Ohio, also have the strictest rules for provisional ballots.
Democrats and Republicans are training lawyers and election monitors to look for problems with provisional voting. Already, suits in five states claim officials are adopting too strict a standard, denying the right to vote to some eligible voters.
Questions about provisional ballots could produce a battle after the election, too, with echoes of the Florida fight of 2000.
Lawyers for President Bush and Sen. John Kerry are ready for a new overtime contest in states where, if the election is close enough, the winner could be determined by provisional votes.
Like Florida’s punch cards, provisional ballots are pieces of paper that must be evaluated individually and counted by hand. The task is time-consuming, and most states have short deadlines to get the job done, said Doug Lewis, director of the Election Center, a nonpartisan research and training organization for state and local election administrators.[…]

Posted by: Pat | Oct 14 2004 5:03 utc | 14

US to rate its allies on their treatment of Muslims
In another test of America’s frayed relations with France, Russia and other allies, the US Congress has ordered the State Department to start rating governments throughout the world on their treatment of Muslim citizens.
The resulting report cards on anti-Islam would be published in annual US surveys of human rights abuses around the world.
The proposed law was passed by the House of Representatives on Monday, in response to what its sponsors called an alarming surge in anti-Islam, especially in Europe. It has already been passed by the Senate.
Congress overruled strong opposition from diplomats at the State Department who complained in an internal memo that a special focus on Islam, “opens us to charges of favouritism and challenges the credibility of our reporting”.
There is little doubt that the new law will create diplomatic waves.
France, Russia, Malaysia, Egypt, Canada and Australia were singled out by congressional sponsors of the law as countries that had witnessed disturbing outbreaks of discrimination against Muslims in the past year.

Posted by: DM | Oct 14 2004 10:07 utc | 15

More on O’Reilly..via Drudge
OCTOBER 13–Hours after Bill O’Reilly accused her of a multimillion dollar shakedown attempt, a female Fox News producer fired back at the TV star today, filing a lawsuit claiming that he subjected her to repeated instances of sexual harassment and spoke often, and explicitly, to her about phone sex, vibrators, threesomes, masturbation, the loss of his virginity, and sexual fantasies. Below you’ll find a copy of Andrea Mackris’s complaint, an incredible page-turner that quotes O’Reilly, 55, on all sorts of lewd matters. Based on the extensive quotations cited in the complaint, it appears a safe bet that Mackris, 33, recorded some of O’Reilly’s more steamy soliloquies. For example, we direct you to his Caribbean shower fantasies. While we suggest reading the entire document, TSG will point you to interesting sections on a Thailand sex show, Al Franken, and the climax of one August 2004 phone conversation.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 14 2004 10:50 utc | 16

@DM – good one!

Posted by: b | Oct 14 2004 11:01 utc | 17

The FT really is a must-read these days.
Leading Republican lambasts Bush
Money quote:

A leading Republican says President George W. Bush is “mesmerised” by Ariel Sharon, Israel’s prime minister, and that the Bush administration’s recent co-operation with the United Nations and Nato in Afghanistan and Iraq is a desperate move to “rescue a failing venture”.
Brent Scowcroft, a former national security adviser and close collaborator of former president George H. W. Bush, told the Financial Times that the US administration’s “unilateralist” stance had contributed to the decline of the transatlantic relationship.
“It’s in general bad,” he said. “It’s not really hostile but there’s an edge to it.”
(…)
“Sharon just has him wrapped around his little finger”, Mr Scowcroft said. “I think the president is mesmerised.”
“When there is a suicide attack [followed by a reprisal] Sharon calls the president and says, ‘I’m on the front line of terrorism’, and the president says, ‘Yes, you are. . . ‘ He [Mr Sharon] has been nothing but trouble.”
(…)
Mr Scowcroft said the US’s initial failure to take up Nato offers of assistance in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September 11 2001 was a “severe rebuff”. “We had gotten contemptuous of Europeans and their weaknesses,” he said. “We had really turned unilateral.”

Go read the whole thing. Of course, we already know that Mr Scowcroft is “stuck in 9/10 mode”, but how often can you read these things about Mr Sharon from a person like him?!

Posted by: Jérôme | Oct 14 2004 11:44 utc | 18

The most safe place in Iraq
Blasts Kill at Least 8 in Baghdad’s Green Zone

Posted by: b | Oct 14 2004 12:34 utc | 19

From Jérômes FT article

“When I first heard Sharon was getting out of Gaza I was having dinner with Condi [Rice] and she said: ‘At least that’s good news.’ And I said: ‘That’s terrible news . . . Sharon will say: ‘I want to get out of Gaza, finish the wall [the Israelis’ security fence] and say I’m done’.”

Shows how little understanding Mrs. Rice has of dealing with complex problems.
The worst National Security Adviser ever.

Posted by: b | Oct 14 2004 12:39 utc | 20

Link for Cloned Poster comment:
O’Reilly Hit With Sex Harass Suit

Posted by: b | Oct 14 2004 12:59 utc | 21

The other part of Monday’s new law:
US to rate its allies on their treatment of Jews
By David Rennie in Washington
(Filed: 13/10/2004)
Telegraph on New Law
“In another test of America’s frayed relations with France, Russia and other allies, the US Congress has ordered the State Department to start rating governments throughout the world on their treatment of Jewish citizens.
“The resulting report cards on anti-Semitism would be published in annual US surveys of human rights abuses around the world.
“The proposed law was passed by the House of Representatives on Monday, in response to what its sponsors called an alarming surge in anti-Semitism, especially in Europe. It has already been passed by the Senate.
“Congress overruled strong opposition from diplomats at the State Department who complained in an internal memo that a special focus on Judaism, “opens us to charges of favouritism and challenges the credibility of our reporting.”
“There is little doubt that the new law will create diplomatic waves.
“France, Russia, Malaysia, Egypt, Canada and Australia were singled out by congressional sponsors of the law as countries that had witnessed disturbing outbreaks of discrimination against Jews in the past year.
“The law, the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act, also ordered the establishment of an office at the State Department dedicated to monitoring anti-Semitism, again over the department’s protests.
“The resulting internal row must now be resolved by President George W Bush as the legislation heads to his desk from Congress. With the act overwhelmingly backed by both parties, officials in Congress said they expected he would sign it into law.
“A three-page State Department memorandum, leaked to The Telegraph yesterday, complained that congressional plans would throw US human rights reporting “out of balance”, and “erode our credibility by being interpreted as favouritism in human rights reporting.”
“In a sign of the diplomatic anxieties, the State Department argued for anti-Semitism monitoring to remain a task conducted behind closed doors, by the department’s existing “special envoy for holocaust issues.”
“At the moment, US diplomats discreetly gather data on anti-Semitism from other governments, in multilateral conferences held in Europe and an annual international religious freedom round table sponsored by Washington.
“There is no need for the special envoy to hold public hearings, take testimony or receive evidence to effectively monitor and combat anti-Semitism,” said the memo, which was sent to congressional sponsors of the new law.
“Tom Lantos, a California Democrat and Holocaust survivor who was one of the sponsors, denounced State Department talk of “favouritism” as an alarming nod to “the worst stereotypes of Jews perpetrated in anti-Semitic tracts throughout modern history”.
“Mr Lantos said the objections from diplomats overlooked existing offices at the State Department dedicated to promoting religious freedom, women’s rights, and Tibetan rights.
” did not touch directly on the risk of offending French or other allied sensibilities.
“Lynne Weil, his communications director, said: “It’s unclear why anyone would be offended by this.
“If a government takes offence at this, that government should be offended by the acts of its own citizens, if they are hateful.”
Thoughts?

Posted by: Bea | Oct 14 2004 13:32 utc | 22

Bea: You want thoughts? My only real thoughts is “fucking bastards, may they all drop dead”. If you want more subtle thoughts, well, I have to see why going after Australia, one of the last solid allies, is a wise move. And more to the point, I have to see how Canadian, French and Australian govts and policies are “anti-semite”, because overall they’re not. Of course, a fringe of their people is, but that’s also the case in the US.
Can’t they understand the US has no, as in ZERO, credibility, worldwide, in anything related to human rights, minorities rights, women rights, children rights, workers rights, environmental rights. The only rights the US still supports are the copyrights and the business rights – and personally I would live just as finely if they both disappeared.
If you want to see just how anti-semite France is, well, they had not one but TWO cases of fake and fabricated anti-semite attacks in just one month; each time, the media and pols came and said it was despicable, pure WWII racism and that kind of things, and the Israeli authorities complained that this was just another proof that France was so anti-semite it would be quite close to Nuremberg laws. And all of them looked like total fools just a couple of days after.
I also suppose the bright minds who propose that kind of Laws in the Congress don’t realise that the only result such reports can have on the targetted countries is to actually increase for most of the locals anti-Americanism (typical reaction being: “Can’t they bother with their own problems and human rights countless violations?”) and probably anti-semitism (stuff like “If it’s so bad here, why don’t they all go to Israel?”, plagiarising the “If you don’t like it, go to Moscow” of old).

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Oct 14 2004 15:39 utc | 23

Is ‘The Onion’ a serious newsource? If yes, this sounds scary. Has Cheney gone over the edge?
Cheney vows to attack US if Kerry is elected
In an announcement that has alarmed voters across the nation, Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday that he will personally attack the U.S. if Sen. John Kerry wins the next election.
Above: Cheney issues a warning to Greensboro, NC voters.
“If the wrong man is elected in November, the nation will come under a devastating armed attack of an unimaginable magnitude, one planned and executed by none other than myself,” Cheney said, speaking at a rally in Greensboro, NC. “When they go to the polls, Americans must weigh this fact and decide if our nation can ignore such a grave threat.”
Added Cheney: “It would be a tragedy to suffer another attack on American soil, let alone one perpetrated by an enemy as well-organized and well-equipped as I am. My colleagues and I urge voters to keep their safety in mind when they go to the polls.”
Although Cheney would not comment on the details of his proposed attack on a John Kerry-led U.S., national-security experts said he possesses both the capabilities and the motivation to pose a serious threat.

Posted by: Fran | Oct 14 2004 16:00 utc | 24

@Bea
some context, perhaps…
Israel Fears Strong EU

A confidential report from the Israeli Foreign Ministry has predicted relations with the European Union could further deteriorate in future, hitting Israel economically and diplomatically…the document, a ten-year forecast prepared by Israel’s foreign ministry, states that Israel and the EU find themselves on a collision course which would cause serious economic and diplomatic damage to the country. “Such a collision course holds the risk of Israel losing international legitimacy and could lead to its isolation in the manner of South Africa”

Posted by: b real | Oct 14 2004 16:04 utc | 25

Fran, the Onion is a serious parody. Always. Relax.

Posted by: rapt | Oct 14 2004 16:09 utc | 26

@ b real & Bea
Ah,
so the US will pass a Global Anti-Israel Policy Review Act.
And then any critic of Isreal will give a higher rating in the anti-semitism review, thus lending more credability to the israelic standard defense “they just say that because they are anti-semitic”. In the future it would be followed by “if they were not so anti-semitic why would the US government say that they are?”
Sort of a israelic-american governmental echochamber.

Posted by: A swedish kind of death | Oct 14 2004 17:04 utc | 27

The Onion is certainly parody, but it is sometimes amazingly good at finding the truth via parody.
One of the best examples is their January 2001 article entitled “Bush – Our national nightmare of peace and prosperity if finally over”. Their archives are not accessible anymore, but someone recently pulled the article and inserted some links into that article (which, remember, was written just as Bush was entering the White House) to refer to actual events. The result can be found here
If you have not seen this previously, go see it, it’s really amazing.

Posted by: Jérôme | Oct 14 2004 17:04 utc | 28

Freedom from fear That’s my name, don’t wear it out…lol

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 14 2004 20:12 utc | 29

MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia’s top nuclear authority said on Thursday it had finished construction of an atomic power plant in Iran — a project the United States fears Tehran could use to make nuclear arms.
“We’re done. All we need to do now is work out (with the Iranians) the agreement on sending spent fuel back to Russia,” said a spokesman for Russia’s Atomic Energy Agency (RosAtom).
To allay U.S. concerns, Russia has promised not to start up the Bushehr plant in southern Iran until Tehran guarantees to return to Russia all spent nuclear fuel, which can be used in making weapons.
Looks like the mad mullahs have countered the mad likudnikes?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 14 2004 20:43 utc | 30

Uncle S$am re your post………………it beggars belief

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 14 2004 20:46 utc | 31

How is Iraq?
ginmar, feminist blogger GI somewhere in iraq, writes

They’re delivering mail at night—or trying to. Seven days without mail, because they keep getting attacked. Not enough people for an escort. Nobody has their election ballots yet. The people fighting to bring elections to the people here might not be able to participate in their own.

Next to that, the Green Zone, which should be the most secure place in Iraq was successfully penetrated by suicide bombers. Several Iraqis and GIs died. Allawi is threatening to have Fallujah bombed to rubble if the don´t hand over the (not existing) Zarqawi.
That war is lost for the US. The question now is only how long and how many dead and wounded will it take for the US to recognize it.

Posted by: b | Oct 14 2004 21:10 utc | 32

b
absolutely. the war was lost when they won. they won whatver it was they wanted. they wanted to destabilise the middle east, they wanted oil, they wanted the first of the perameters in their coming war of worlds with china which will be fought first on the economic front
but the world has been taught a lesson. one that mao tse tung once sd ‘ reactionaries are paper tigers’ & it has agin proved to be true – they cannot maintain any kind of control even with massive military force
their faustian ‘awe’ was just thunder & the real hell will be coming forth on many fronts in the middle east & i suspect in pakistan & perhaps egypt.
kerry would have to do some pretty fast footwork to defuse the situation & i’m not even sure he wants to
even if they are crazy enough to intervene in iran through the israelis – it will only create – many more instances of resistances that will also be both mad & holy, both nationalist & religious
they are not mad enough to do anything with north korea because kim il jong is madder than they are & he’s seen all the movies so the moves won’t work
what is truly terrible that the coming catastrophe’s will not be central – they will be peripheral to the western eyes. there will be destabilsation, there will be demonisation & then there will be destruction. town after town, village after village, population after population as it is today in afghanistan & iraq
the media in concert with this criminal administration & their lackey in britain have hidden the death of the afghani & iraquian people
it is only here, common dreams, counterpunch that i read the tears of those of us who have seen too much already
but this thing that is too much for us is not enough for the criminal junta – i am convinced it will continue & the real massacres will be hidden demanding that the resistance prove again & again it is powerful & integrated enough to destroy the beast becoming the beast itself
me, i don’t see any fundamental difference between the mullahs of the middle east & the mullahs of the white house & their soiled & sordid think tanks
that being so – they cannot win & despite pats faith in the military machine – it will be defeated as i sd as were the 365 german divisions were stopped in stalingrad, koursk, sebastapol, moscow etc
i am dumb enough to believe in hstorical materialism
i am human enough to be cowed at what price liberation will come
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 14 2004 23:23 utc | 33

The peak oil crisis is the million pound gorilla in America’s near-future. The trade imbalance is equally troubling. Seems to me, though I’m guessing, that Europe is better prepared, in an instrumental way, to cope w/ the end of oil. Nothing about the political campaigns here in the U.S. even attempt to address these structural failures in the global economy.
Perhaps the days of creative destruction are over. Now, the gyre of the historic balance of social relations and forces of production will not hold–will not be offered its regular restitutions. It is easy to fear for the future, though perhaps the form of life that emerges from this calamity will listen to freejazz and refuse to watch the NFL on Sundays.
…and how shall we presume,
and how shall we begin?…

Posted by: slothrop | Oct 15 2004 0:32 utc | 34

BODY COUNT—1,000
Where have all the soldiers gone?
By Stan Goff
These milestones come along, reminding us… and the wrath struggles to break free again. The anger is never really absent, just dormant like a sleeping volcano.
Back when the pack of professional liars in Washington DC and their slavish corporate press still had Americans brainwashed that Iraq was a threat to the United States, General Tommy Franks – then the chief military planner of the catastrophe in Iraq – said, “We don’t do body counts.”
He didn’t want anyone to know what might be behind the numbers.
I could say the same thing now, as we arrive almost simultaneously at 1,000 US military fatalities in Iraq and the third anniversary of the attacks of September 11, 2001.
So I’m saying it. This is not a body count. This is not about the number of dead GIs. This is not about almost 7,000 wounded. It’s not about 14,000 dead Iraqis, or any of the considerable inventory of macabre enumerations we might clinically extract from the orgy of cruelty that is now Iraq.
We won’t do body counts. War is more than a number. This war is an expanding ocean of unanswered pain, and it cannot be reduced to a number.
One thousand times now, people have arrived home or looked out the front door only to see a military sedan, with two troops in their dress uniforms.
This was my nightmare while my own son was there. An army sedan.
When people see it, they know in that terrible instant that someone they pushed out of their own body, someone they saw take a first step and speak a first word, or with whom they made love, or the anchor in the stormy world that is a parent, someone called brother or sister or grandchild… that sedan with the survival officer and the chaplain signifies that this someone… has been erased and is no longer in the world with us, that something shocking has happened to the living body we once held close and will never hold again.
One thousand times now, as George W. Bush and his entourage smirked and plotted and slapped each other on the back, those left to live have been flayed with grief then set adrift in the void of their own loss to seek some trifling scrap of consolation. Why?
It’s so the oxygen thieves who run the US Empire can chase after their grandiose delusions in drawing rooms, surrounded by an army of servants attending to their every whim, and so the class they represent can continue to accumulate money. That’s why a thousand ripped up bodies have been shipped home – boxed and draped in bright new flags to sanitize the obscenity.
These pampered fucking sociopaths have no conception of the anguish of ordinary people, of how inconsolable is this loss.
When we reflect on the personal enormity and breathless depth of the sorrow of ordinary people that we know, then maybe we can begin to understand how that pain is mirrored in the ordinary Iraqi people who have been occupied – where their children have been bombed, homes destroyed, husbands and fathers and wives and mothers and best-friends and sons and daughters and grandchildren and neighbors and schoolmates killed and maimed, whole communities reduced to rubble, dignity daily kicked face first into the mud, humiliation their daily bread and fear their meat, the very soil transformed into a radioactive toxin that leaves women giving birth to pitiable monsters and people rotting in their own bodies from inexplicable malignancies.
This is what we can appreciate about others when we begin with the loss of those we think of as our own. This is what we can comprehend about who is the real enemy here; when we begin to really see the kind of personal devastation that is the price of this war. And a price paid for what?
The same Tommy Franks who didn’t do body counts once, in his soldierly way, called Douglas Feith, one of the intellectual architects of this enterprise of grief, “one of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.”
Yet Franks – ever the obedient servant – has now climbed up on a political cross to sop up the guilt for the “Mission Accomplished” fiasco organized by Karl Rove’s reptile myth-makers. Franks now enthusiastically campaigns for the election of George W. Bush, a de facto chief executive whose cognitive capacities make Feith look like Robert Oppenheimer.
Franks is teaching us something right now far more significant than how to count or not to count corpses. He is teaching us with his example where our own culpability lies. Obedience.
It would seem that Pete Seeger’s lyrics from the last great American antiwar movement still apply:
Where have all the soldiers gone, long time passing?
Where have all the soldiers gone, long time ago?
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Gone to graveyards, everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will WE ever learn?
sorry for cut & pasting the entire article by the soldier stan goff but it moved me, greatly
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 15 2004 0:37 utc | 35

my esteemed comrade slothrop
i think we, here in europe will also be paying for bush stupidity for a long time to come.
he sd there would be no shelter for terrorists except the reality is the contraire – we will pay for the holy war of the americans. there is no refuge from the consequences. they are going to be felt everywhere
know that perhaps i am too apocalyptic in my tones but that is what i feel in my bones. the stupidity of what they have done does not reduce the enormity of their acts & deeds
& i still think that even though we are all devoting our best efforts to comprehend what is happening – what is happening is so terrible in its reality that we will wake decades from today feeling the aftereffects of what has gone down
what i have sd before here – this anarchic & clearly directionless (aalmost) resistance is capable of inflicting what it took the vietnamese thirty years to attempt with standing armies
this loose grouping of people is tearing the american army down forcing them time & time again to use puppets, to create fortresses & even then it does not work. it leaves american force with only one option – systematic massacres – as seymour hersh proved beyond any dount was the standard operating procedure in vietnam for the u s army
the bloodbaths that have been conducted & the bloodbaths to come will not wash away the sins of this administration
i’m so sick & tired of their endless & stupid narratives – al zaqarwi did this, al zaqarwi did that – as someone pointed out – a necesary narrative for them – i think someone here used the analogy of carlos the jackall – where everyhting north south east & west was pinned on him because it served their interests – meanwhile was smoking cigars & chasing women in syria & sudan
the narratives exist to hide the enormity of the failure
the narrative exists as it must have for effram zimbalist each week telling the stories of the fbi
the narrative exist to hide what is multiple is perverted into something singular
the narrative exist to hide all significant factors who? what? when?
the narrative exists in the end to be bought & sold like the whores they are
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 15 2004 0:53 utc | 36

First Ahmad Chalabi goes off the reservation, now this:

Shahwani told AFP a series of raids on three Iranian “safe houses” in Baghdad on September 29 had uncovered a treasure trove of documents linking Iran to plots to kill members of the intelligence service and using the Badr former militia of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq’s (SCIRI) as its tool.

Now, it may well be true that the new intelligence service is chock-full of old Baathist intelligence agents with a grudge (or animosity against a party they don’t want in power). But I wouldn’t be surprised if it were true, given SCIRI’s Khomeinite ideology.
The major Iraqi parties that control the government claim to have disarmed, but I’m sure that could be reversed in a heartbeat. The ruling “oligarchy” is a wild hodgepodge of six Islamist, nationalist or ethnic parties, and maybe this is the first sign of it coming apart.

Posted by: Harrow | Oct 15 2004 2:01 utc | 37

Hurry…go to C-pan’s home page.
A picture is worth 10³ words.
The words say: Status of U.S. Economy
But Greenspan’s picture shows the real nature of America’s economy. It ain’t pretty, but it sure the hell is voluble.

Posted by: koreyel | Oct 15 2004 2:13 utc | 38

from richard heinberg’s new, cogent book powerdown – options and actions for a post-carbon world : “The Bush crew’s incompetence, so abundantly on display in their handling of the economy and the Iraq invasion, will eventually do them in. But in the meantime they may take the nation, and perhaps the world, down with them. They have one thing going for them: they understand oil depletion at least to some extent, and they understand that the US is about to descend into economic chaos. This is knowledge that few others possess, and it is knowledge that makes them bold. Perhaps they feel that they have nothing to lose.”
the entire book is highly recommended reading
Pepe Escobar debunking part of the zarqawi myth
Zarqawi – Bush’s man for all seasons
and as an aside, after reading the gwb quote escobar uses to lead off the article, just how many times and types of instances has bush said “i understand how these people think…” He used it at least a couple of times in the debates. How does he know all this?

Posted by: b real | Oct 15 2004 3:38 utc | 39

Josh Marshall has linked to this Article in Atlanic Monthly (August Edition) which he has written. It shows that there is a difference in the view and approach toward terrorism, between Bush and Kerry.
Kerry Faces the World – What would a John Kerry foreign policy look like? In some ways a lot like one the current President’s father could endorse

Posted by: Fran | Oct 15 2004 5:32 utc | 40

Just realised that the Marshall article can only be view fully by subscribers, so here the excerps from Josh’s site:
From its inception the Bush Administration has viewed states as the key actors on the world stage, and relations among them as the primary concern of U.S. foreign policy. It is a mindset rooted in the realities of the Cold War, which defined U.S. foreign policy at the time when most of the president’s key advisers gained their formative experience in government. The fixity of this mindset also explains why the Bush Administration spent its first months so heavily focused on the issue of national missile defense, and seemed so surprised by al-Qaeda’s transnational terrorism. The Bush team didn’t discount the problem of weapons of mass destruction; it simply expected trouble to come from an ICBM-wielding “rogue state” like Iraq or North Korea rather than from Islamic terrorist groups.
Viewed through this lens, the Administration’s fixation on Iraq after 9/11 becomes somewhat easier to understand. As Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith explained to Nicholas Lemann, of The New Yorker, on the eve of the Iraq War, “One of the principal strategic thoughts underlying our strategy in the war on terrorism is the importance of the connection between terrorist organizations and their state sponsors. Terrorist organizations cannot be effective in sustaining themselves over long periods of time to do large-scale operations if they don’t have support from states.”
To the Democrats ha Kerry’s orbit, this approach is at best inefficient and at worst akin to fighting fire with gasoline–for example, it has created terrorism in Iraq where little or none previously existed. Last fall, when I asked the presidential candidate General Wesley Clark about Feith’s characterization of the threat, he said it was the “principal strategic mistake behind the Administration’s policy.” Clark went on, “If you look at all the states that were named as the principal adversaries, they’re on the periphery of international terrorism today.”
First as a military negotiator in Bosnia and later as NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during the second Clinton Administration, Clark was one of the figures at the center of the process that shaped current Democratic foreign-policy views. In its early years, rhetoric aside, the Clinton Administration hewed closely to George H.W. Bush’s policy of studied non-involvement in the Balkans, even as Yugoslavia slid into chaos. But over time that region became a forcing ground for re-evaluating Democratic beliefs about foreign policy. The Balkans proved that soft-sounding concerns like human-rights abuses, ethnic slaughter, lawlessness, and ideological extremism could quickly mount into first-order geopolitical crises.
By the mid-1990s this had led the Clinton Administration to focus on terrorism, failed states, and weapons proliferation, and as it did, its foreign-policy outlook changed. The key threats to the United States came to be seen less in terms of traditional conflicts between states and more in terms of endemic regional turmoil of the sort found in the Balkans. “The Clinton Administration,” says Jonathan Winer, “started out with a very traditional Democratic or even mainstream approach to foreign policy: big-power politics, Russia being in the most important role; a critical relationship with China; European cooperation; and some multilateralism.” But over the years, he went on, “they moved much more to a failed-state, global-affairs kind of approach, recognizing that the trends established by globalization required you to think about foreign policy in a more synthetic and integrated fashion than nation-state to nation-state”
As Winer argues, the threats were less from Russia or China, or even from the rogue states, than from the breakdown of sovereignty and authority in a broad geographic arc that stretched from West Africa through the Middle East, down through the lands of Islam, and into Southeast Asia. In this part of the world poverty, disease, ignorance, fanaticism, and autocracy frequently combined in a self-reinforcing tangle, fostering constant turmoil. Home to many failed or failing states, this area bred money laundering, waves of refugees, drug production, gunrunning, and terrorist networks–the cancers of the twenty-first-century world order.
In the Balkans, Holbrooke, Clark, and other leading figures found themselves confronting problems that required not only American military force but also a careful synthesis of armed power, peacekeeping capacity, international institutions, and nongovernmental organizations to stabilize the region and maintain some kind of order. Though the former Yogoslavia has continued to experience strife, the settlement in the Balkans remains the most successful one in recent memory, and offers the model on which a Kerry Administration would probably build. As Holbrooke told me, the Bush Administration’s actions in Iraq have shown that the Administration understands only the military component of this model: “Most of them don’t have a real understanding of what it takes to do nation-building, which is an important part of the overall democratic process.”
A key assumption shared by almost all Democratic foreign-policy hands is that by themselves the violent overthrow of a government and the initiation of radical change from above almost never foster democracy, an expanded civil society, or greater openness. “If you have too much change too quickly,” Winer says, “you have violence and repression. We don’t want to see violence and repression in [the Middle East]. We want to see a greater zone for civilization–a greater zone fur personal and private-sector activity and for governmental activity that is not an enactment of violence.” Bush and his advisers have spoken eloquently about democratization. But in the view of their Democratic counterparts, their means of pursuing it are plainly counterproductive. It is here, Holbrooke says, that the Administration’s alleged belief in the stabilizing role of liberal democracy and open society collides with its belief in the need to rule by force and, if necessary, violence: “The neoconservatives and the conservatives–and they both exist in uneasy tension within this Administration–shift unpredictably between advocacy of democratization and advocacy of neo-imperialism without any coherent intellectual position, except the importance of the use of force.”
Because Afghanistan was the Bush Administration’s first order of business following the 9/11 attacks, the results of this policy have advanced the furthest there. And because Kerry is on record as saying he would increase the number of U.S. and allied troops in Afghanistan, it’s probably the clearest measure of how a Kerry Administration would differ from Bush’s. Afghanistan is a subject that Kerry’s advisers and other senior Democrats turn to again and again. When I interviewed Joseph Biden in late March, he recounted a conversation he’d had with Condoleezza Rice in the spring of 2002 about the growing instability that had taken hold after the Taliban was defeated, in late 2001. Biden told Rice he believed that the United States was on the verge of squandering its military victory by allowing the country to slip back into the corruption, tyranny, and chaos that had originally paved the way for Taliban rule. Rice was uncomprehending. “What do you mean?” he remembers her asking. Biden pointed to the re-emergence in western Afghanistan of Ismail Khan, the pre-Taliban warlord in Herat who quickly reclaimed power after the American victory. He told me: “She said, ‘Look, al-Qaeda’s not there. The Taliban’s not there. There’s security there: I said, ‘You mean turning it over to the warlords?’ She said, “Yeah, it’s always been that way.'”
Biden was seeking to illustrate the blind spot that Democratic foreign-policy types see in Bush officials like Rice, who believe that if a rogue state has been lid of its hostile government (in this case the Taliban), its threat has therefore been neutralized. Democrats see Afghanistan as an affirmation of their own view of modern terrorism. As Fareed Zakaria noted recently in Newsweek, the Taliban regime was not so much a state sponsoring and directing a terrorist organization (the Republican view) as a terrorist organization sponsoring, guiding, and even hijacking a state (the Democratic view). Overthrowing regimes like that is at best only the first step in denying safe haven to al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Equally important is creating the institutional bases of stability and liberalization that will prevent another descent into lawlessness and terror–in a word, nation-building.
For all those who say there’s no difference between the candidates on foreign policy, this is a critical one.

Sorry, if it is a bid long, but I thought it was worth it.

Posted by: Fran | Oct 15 2004 5:52 utc | 41

Pepe Escobar’s Asia Times article linked by b real includes, among other interesting things, this…
“Disinformation and propaganda are key. Creating a ‘face’ to terror is key. So these black psy-ops always include the creation of a cipher. One American psy-ops operative recently leveled with the Australian newspaper The Age: ‘We were basically paying up to US$10,000 a time to opportunists and criminals who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq.'”
Funny, I thought that statement, originally attributed to a “US military intelligence agent,” was made to a reporter (Adrian Blomfield) for the Telegraph, where the statement first appeared. Whatever, it’s circulating. It definitely caught my eye because here allegedly was a self-identified military humint guy volunteering to dishing newspaper reporters that he and his fellows were taken for a wild ride by their sources. (Shorter revelation: Boy, we suck.) Um, not LIKELY. And $10,000 a pop for information? The CIA bids up the price of intel wherever it goes – competition, what can you do? – but the DoD ceiling remains well below that lofty sum.
It wasn’t an MI agent who spoke to the reporter. But it WAS somebody seriously disgruntled with the administration. So whose bogus “psyops operative” or “military intelligence agent” was it? Inquiring Minds Want To Know (TM).

Posted by: Pat | Oct 15 2004 6:58 utc | 42

US image problems continue.
The world backs Kerry
The Intimidating Face of America

Posted by: Fran | Oct 15 2004 7:06 utc | 43

Pat………….Zarqawi must be superman…….. hiding in Fallujah………..bombing inside the Green Zone………..that the media buy this shit, especially the BBC is just a fucking disgrace.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 15 2004 8:32 utc | 44

Did Blair know that the Iraq war was illegal?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 15 2004 8:42 utc | 45

@CP
That one man is responsible for the deaths of more Iraqi civilians than all Israeli citizens killed in the Intifada. Does that mean he’s killed every one of them personally? No. OBL is responsible for the murder of almost 3,000 on US soil. Last I checked, he didn’t do it himself.
If Zarqawi is, as some never tire to assert, a convenient invention, then he’s an invention that the intelligence services of the UK, Germany, France, Jordan, and others are busy contributing to.

Posted by: Pat | Oct 15 2004 8:55 utc | 46

Pat
Ever go here?
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Excerpt
Holy fuck, what else does America need to see? Where’s the line? For four and a half hours, we’ve finally, at long last, gotten a look at this man we didn’t elect President last time (wasn’t it wonderfully uncomfortable when Bush said the nation was divided in 2000 and then quickly blamed the 1990s for it? Hmmm, wonder which party made the 1990s so divided?). We saw the petty tyrant railing and screeching, unable to make a rational point without beating his chest and grabbing his balls. It’s over, innit? At some point, isn’t the illusion over? Christ alfuckingmighty, the gut fear here is that so many Americans are so blinded by the asbestos dust of the twin towers that they can’t see beyond the changed skyline of Manhattan.
For three nights, America had a chance to witness the empty space occupying the Presidency, the black hole that has sucked us dry, the vortex that wants to drag us all down into the darkness. At the end of the debate, Bush invoked an Oval Office painting that directs the viewer to the coming light, but it’s just oil and pigment on a canvas. Just then Bush offered America a vision of fake light, a false sunrise, an isolated picture of dawn. He would rather an image than the reality of daylight.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 15 2004 10:03 utc | 47

Roach on the difference in the current economic development of Europe and the United States: Productivity Convergence?

Europe has nowhere to go but up, and that long and arduous journey now appears to be under way. America, by contrast, is at the top of its game — coming off eight fat years the likes of which most leading economies have rarely seen. But now burdened with an unprecedented shortfall of national saving, a record current-account deficit, and a massive overhang of debt, it will be exceedingly difficult for the US to keep the magic alive.

If US and European productivity growth were, in fact, to converge over the next few years, this would have very important implications for financial markets. Global investors have become convinced that America is the world’s best productivity story. This, together with outstanding earning performance, has had a profound impact on the perpetual overweight of US equities in global asset allocation portfolios. The US-centric productivity story has also been key to America’s seemingly effortless ability to finance an ever-widening current account deficit. Most believe that there is a “natural” demand for dollar-denominated assets since they represent a claim on the world’s greatest productivity story. The productivity convergence play could certainly challenge that presumption as well — undermining dollar support and providing a boost to the euro at just the time when America’s current account deficit is veering out of control.
Productivity growth is where the rubber meets the road for economic and financial market performance. One of the key assumptions embodied in the collective mindset of investors, businesspeople, and policy makers is that the United States has established permanent leadership in the global productivity sweepstakes. A corollary to that belief is that Europe will never get to the Promised Land of productivity revival. In the realm of economics, it’s change at the margin that always matters most. For a congenital euro-skeptic like me, it is very hard to admit it — the coming productivity convergence could force us to rethink the long-standing contrast between America and Europe.

Posted by: b | Oct 15 2004 14:44 utc | 48

If Zarqawi is, as some never tire to assert, a convenient invention, then he’s an invention that the intelligence services of the UK, Germany, France, Jordan, and others are busy contributing to.
it’ll click, eventually. The war on terrorism is a war over energy resources, the most vital of which are located in Muslim cultures. The US is the military enforcer of the international capitalist system. Preserving the hegemony of the dollar is important to those who benefit most from the global economy as it operates today.

Posted by: b real | Oct 15 2004 15:00 utc | 49

Looks like the US is now also devolving into a third world nation concerning womens rights.
U.S. Rejects U.N. Plan for Women
UNITED NATIONS — The United States has refused to join 85 heads of state and government in signing a statement that endorsed a 10-year-old U.N. plan to ensure every woman’s right to education, healthcare and choice about having children.

The statement was signed by leaders of 85 nations, including those in the European Union, China, Japan, Indonesia, Pakistan and more than a dozen African countries, as well as 22 former world leaders.

Even China and Pakistan signed it!!!
I think Monford is pointing on a important issue.
Can John Kerry Cure Cancer? Miracle worker or no, after the tyranny of BushCo, a “normal” prez will be a blessed relief

Posted by: Fran | Oct 15 2004 15:31 utc | 50

@Fran of course the Shrub cannot sign the declaration of women’s rights. That would alienate his Dominionist base, the Paulists (one can hardly call them Christians) who believe in the lordship of men over women and the duty of a wife in obedience and submission, blah blah blah.

Posted by: DeAnander | Oct 15 2004 15:37 utc | 51

Makes you wonder about Karma and all that stuff.
No flu vaccine aid from Canada is likely, as issue becomes political

Posted by: Fran | Oct 15 2004 16:12 utc | 52

Is this Watergate all over?
RED ALERT! GOP ELECTION THEFT IN OHIO!
Well, this is my last post for today.

Posted by: Fran | Oct 15 2004 17:24 utc | 53

A good one from the Guardian about an upcoming BBC documentation by Adma Curtis: The making of the terror myth

The Power of Nightmares seeks to overturn much of what is widely believed about Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida. The latter, it argues, is not an organised international network. It does not have members or a leader. It does not have “sleeper cells”. It does not have an overall strategy. In fact, it barely exists at all, except as an idea about cleansing a corrupt world through religious violence.
Curtis’ evidence for these assertions is not easily dismissed. He tells the story of Islamism, or the desire to establish Islam as an unbreakable political framework, as half a century of mostly failed, short-lived revolutions and spectacular but politically ineffective terrorism. Curtis points out that al-Qaida did not even have a name until early 2001, when the American government decided to prosecute Bin Laden in his absence and had to use anti-Mafia laws that required the existence of a named criminal organisation.

They are not the only ones who find opportunities. “Almost no one questions this myth about al-Qaida because so many people have got an interest in keeping it alive,” says Curtis. He cites the suspiciously circular relationship between the security services and much of the media since September 2001: the way in which official briefings about terrorism, often unverified or unverifiable by journalists, have become dramatic press stories which – in a jittery media-driven democracy – have prompted further briefings and further stories. Few of these ominous announcements are retracted if they turn out to be baseless: “There is no fact-checking about al-Qaida.”

As Curtis traced the rise of the “Straussians”, he came to a conclusion that would form the basis for The Power of Nightmares. Straussian conservatism had a previously unsuspected amount in common with Islamism: from origins in the 50s, to a formative belief that liberalism was the enemy, to an actual period of Islamist-Straussian collaboration against the Soviet Union during the war in Afghanistan in the 80s (both movements have proved adept at finding new foes to keep them going). Although the Islamists and the Straussians have fallen out since then, as the attacks on America in 2001 graphically demonstrated, they are in another way, Curtis concludes, collaborating still: in sustaining the “fantasy” of the war on terror.

Posted by: b | Oct 15 2004 18:53 utc | 54

Faith-Based Parks:
Apres moi, le deluge

Posted by: biklett | Oct 15 2004 20:54 utc | 55

@biklett – that´s redicules – whats next?
The Statue of Liberty was created by Moses enginers?

Posted by: b | Oct 15 2004 21:45 utc | 56

@biklett
Unfuckingbelieveable
Meanwhile……..
21st Century Book-Burning
Mrs. Cheney, There’s More to U.S. History than Heroes.
by Steven J. Ross
One of the marks of authoritarian regimes is their effort to stop the spread of knowledge and free speech. In May 1933, Nazi sympathizers in Berlin burned 20,000 “degenerate” books, many of them written by Jews and anti-fascists such as Albert Einstein, Bertolt Brecht and Franz Kafka. Here at home, slaveholders were so frightened by the power of the word that throughout the antebellum South legislatures made it a crime to teach slaves to read and write.
Now, Lynne Cheney, Vice President Dick Cheney’s wife and the former head of the National Endowment for the Humanities, has placed herself in the company of dictators and slaveholders. At her urging, the Education Department destroyed more than 300,000 copies of a booklet designed to help parents and children learn more about America’s past.
Cheney objected to the booklet’s reference to the National Standards for History, guidelines for teaching history in secondary schools that were developed at UCLA in the 1990s and that suggest that American history should be taught with an eye not only to America’s successes but to its struggles and dark moments as well. …

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 15 2004 22:46 utc | 58

me above
Why did MOA lose my personal info?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 15 2004 22:47 utc | 59

bicklett
So now we have a little clue as to what Jim Towey was up to over at Faith Based Initiatives, and the opening of offices in 10 government Departments. I suppose next we’ll see a faith based grant from the Dept of Agriculture promoting “prayers for rain” as the governments solution to droughts, or maybe funding “the crime prevention merits of stoning as opposed to incarceration” through the Dept of Justice. Who knows !!

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 16 2004 0:58 utc | 60

bicklett
So now we have a little clue as to what Jim Towey was up to over at Faith Based Initiatives, and the opening of offices in 10 government Departments. I suppose next we’ll see a faith based grant from the Dept of Agriculture promoting “prayers for rain” as the governments solution to droughts, or maybe funding “the crime prevention merits of stoning as opposed to incarceration” through the Dept of Justice. Who knows !!

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 16 2004 1:02 utc | 61

Actual Text of Senate/House Bills Kept Secret
thomas.loc.gov Oct 15, 2004:
The final versions of House Bill (HR 10) and Senate Bill (S2845) currently being reconciled to implement the recommendations of the 911 Commission and to implement an unconstitutional National ID System have apparently not been made available to the public in the thomas.loc.gov website.
Bill Summary & Status for the 108th Congress
S.2845
Title: A bill to reform the intelligence community and the intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] (introduced 9/23/2004) Cosponsors (10)
Related Bills: H.R.10, H.R.5150, S.2840
Latest Major Action: 10/8/2004 Measure amended in Senate by unanimous consent after passage by Unanimous Consent.
Note: Per H.Res. 827, upon receipt of a message from the Senate transmitting S. 2845, the House shall be considered to have inserted H.R. 10 – as passed House – in S. 2845, insisted on its amendment to S. 2845, and requested a conference with the Senate on S. 2845. The texts of H.R. 10 / S. 2845 as passed House and as passed Senate are not yet available.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Oct 16 2004 5:35 utc | 62

Millions have been devoted to investigating the healing powers of prayer, with many studies financed by the Government, e.g. National Institute of Health.
NYTimes

Posted by: Blackie | Oct 16 2004 10:19 utc | 63

at the amazon page for the 911 commission rpt the customer recommendation (more than 160 customers too), in addition to the commissions book, is The American Prophecies: Ancient Scriptures Reveal Our Nation’s Future. It’s obvious from reading through the user reviews of the 911 book what’s going on. For fun, follow some of the poster’s other reviews, if the link even works.

Posted by: b real | Oct 16 2004 17:59 utc | 64

Trend change?
01/10/04 – 2
02/10/04 – 3
03/10/04 – 1
04/10/04 – 2
05/10/04 – 1
06/10/04 – 2
07/10/04 – 1
08/10/04 – 2
09/10/04 – 1
10/10/04 – 2
11/10/04 – 4
12/10/04 – 7
13/10/04 – 6
14/10/04 – 4
15/10/04 – 5
16/10/04 – Car Bombs Kill Five U.S. Troops in Iraq

Posted by: b | Oct 16 2004 18:17 utc | 65

b, just the first day of Ramadan…………….

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 16 2004 20:19 utc | 66

Servin’ Mistah Cheney
I know some of you have linked and written about the mini-army mutiny in Iraq.
But read this quote:
“He spoke but to command, and commanded but to be obeyed; he dealt sparingly with his words, and bountifully with his whip, never using the former where the latter would answer as well. When he whipped, he seemed to do so from a sense of duty, and feared no consequences. He did nothing reluctantly, no matter how disagreeable; always at his post, never inconsistent. He never promised but to fulfill. He was, in a word, a man of the most in flexible firmness and stone-like coolness.”
~Frederick Douglas

And then check out the story yet again–(“The platoon has troops from Alabama, Kentucky, North Carolina, Mississippi and South Carolina.”)–with its attendant photo.

Posted by: koreyel | Oct 17 2004 1:03 utc | 67

Hi all – great to see/read everyone again. Just got spiffy new Mac w/ OS X/Safari so I can get this site. Netscape 4.x didn’t cut it!
@b 10/15 – 10:44am. Read entire essay on Productivity Convergence w/yr. link. Coming from a family monoculture of Business, I’m really weak on econ/business/finance, so I’d appreciate clarification. Is this article saying, in effect, that there’s a relationship bet. Bu$hCo’s huge tax cuts for top .001% & massive firings of the rest of us – shipping jobs overseas? That the latter was necessary to drive sufficient foreign capital into America via “artifically” inflating stock values etc. to offset deficits his tax cuts generated? thanks

Posted by: jj | Oct 17 2004 7:36 utc | 68

Must Read Article

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 17 2004 7:45 utc | 69

CP, thanks for the link. What I still do not understand is Blairs thinking and behavior. Bush was somehow clear to me from the very beginning, it was one of incompetence, if not of stupitity. But Blair somehow was able to convey an image of intelligence and even compassion for the weakest in the world. So was he just a brilliant image creator or has something happened that has turned him into a ‘poodle’, thereby risking everything that has seemed to be dear to him?
Or maybe, does the Bush administration blackmail him with something. How else to explain another Independent article today.
Star Wars deal places US missiles on UK soil

Posted by: Fran | Oct 17 2004 8:25 utc | 70

Fran, I did a google news search when I woke up. I posted it on another MOA thread.
As for Star Wars……….that’s another spin.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Oct 17 2004 8:34 utc | 71