Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 25, 2004
Divide and Rule

by Harrow

Since Saddam’s government was toppled, Iraqis have endured a series of events that have eroded their faith in the Americans. First it was the mass looting and inability to enforce law and order, then the indiscriminate sacking of soldiers and low-level Baathists, later the abuses at Abu Ghraib and several ferocious battles that caused widespread collateral damage. Before things started going truly and horribly wrong last April, polls showed a small majority of Iraqis were still supportive of the American presence. And yet, even early on, there was a noticeable difference between the attitudes of the three major ethnic groups, with the Kurds being strongly supportive, the Shia lukewarm and the Sunni Arabs opposed.

Academic blogger Juan Cole has been extremely critical of the occupation and Bush’s screw-ups. But even he is skeptical about the intentions of the Sunni Arabs.

I don’t think they primarily want elections, which would bring the Shiites and Kurds to power. I think they want the Americans gone so as to find a way to regain Sunni Arab supremacy in the country. That actually makes them more dangerous, because if that is their motive then they will likely go on blowing up things for a long time to come.

He also quotes a journalist who notes a severe hardening of opinion among the Sunnis. The Association of Muslim Scholars, the biggest Sunni body in the country, has announced it will boycott the elections. Muqtada al-Sadr has raised stupendous hell for much of this year, but his hardcore supporters form a minority of Shia. He was not able to mobilize the majority of Shia into supporting open rebellion.

Why is that? The title above says it all. Obviously the US is not anti-Sunni on principle, and has included several in the Iraqi government to make it representative. Washington has vigorously promoted six cooperative political parties, where Sunnis form a very small minority, but their common feature is being pro-American or exiles who were against the old establishment. The truth is, Saddam has made the job of ruling Iraq laughably easy for the American government. The memories of his massacres are still fresh for the Kurds, who faced genocide in 1988. As a “final solution” to never-ending Kurdish rebellion, especially during the war with Iran, soldiers were ordered to interrogate and execute all people between 15 and 70 in rebel-held areas. Captured civilian men and teenage boys were separated from other Kurds, trucked off to giant pits in the countryside, and summarily executed. In total 50,000-100,000 Kurds were murdered or died. In 1991, Saddam carried out reprisals against rebellious Shias that were nearly as vicious; large parts of Karbala were razed, and the huge marshes in southern Iraq were completely drained and turned into desert to flush out Shia rebels taking refuge there.

And even before Saddam, sectarian distrust and the history of Sunni supremacy made unity difficult. This is from Militant Islam, a book by writer and journalist G.H. Jansen. Keep in mind Jansen is sympathetic to radical Islam, vehemently critical of the colonial powers and wrote this 25 years ago.

The ulema {religious establishment} in Iraq, as we have seen, did play the usual leading role in the 1920 uprising, but that was possible because beforehand the religious leaders of the Sunnis and Shiahs had formally decided to cooperate to face a national emergency. It is because these two communities are evenly balanced in Iraq (only officially so, the Shiahs have long claimed to be in the majority and almost certainly are) that the Iraqi national movement never again had recourse to Islamic support: the delicate equilibrium might not have been achieved again, one or the other community would have been forced into opposition.

If it was a challenge in the 1920s, just imagine what it would be like today.

The good news is, despite the fierce Sunni resistance against the interim government, there’s not much evidence of the civil war that so many have warned of. In spite of horrific attacks against Shia pilgrims and other civilians, most Iraqis seem to believe the worst terrorist attacks are carried out by foreigners (Iranians, Kuwaitis, Israelis, Americans), and there has been some degree of cooperation between Sunnis and Sadrists when one side or the other was engaged in battle with the Americans.

All the same, if the elections go ahead in January and aren’t a complete debacle, there’s the danger that a serious national rift could start to grow. Right now it seems most Sunnis will either boycott the elections or be too afraid of terrorist reprisals to go to polling stations. A nominally democratic government might be seen as an expression of Shia and Kurdish will to keep the Sunnis down. The Shia will probably continue to tolerate a large American presence for the same reason they do now – they fear the intentions of the Sunni Arabs more than they hate the American occupiers.

Rahul Mahajan believes the real danger is a long, savage war between religious extremists and a repressive government.

Unfortunately, the United States, by its continuing presence and operations, is creating another force that offers an even more frightening prospect of civil war, with a clear religious basis. The model for potential civil war in Iraq is not, or at least not primarily, Lebanon; it is Algeria.

The GIA was distinguished by the extremism of its ideology, even among Wahhabis; at one point, bin Laden dissociated himself from them because of their extremism.

In Iraq, that role is to be played by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s Tawhid wal Jihad (Monotheism and Holy War). By “monotheism,” they mean primarily anti-Shi’ism. They are not primarily an anti-occupation force; they target Shi’a directly, with American soldiers occasionally as collateral damage.

But there are problems with this: al-Tawhid may have had a chance to start growing by the American failure to provide order, but an American departure would do nothing to lessen the danger of extremists. More importantly, these ultra-violent nihilists are said to make up only a few hundred (at most, a few thousand) of the 10,000-20,000 Sunni rebels in Iraq. It’s true that the continuing American presence has helped to create them, but the other insurgents will not go away either. As American forces begin falling next year or 2006, the next prime minister of Iraq will have to be a genius of national reconciliation with an iron will, or the *best* that can be hoped for is a feudal state ruled by petty local warlords and religious zealots. Since it’s unlikely that there will be an Iraqi government that is both strong and indefinitely friendly to the US, divide and rule it will be. And because of Iraq’s history, Washington may never have to lift a finger to inflame it, even if it willingly acts as a catalyst.

Comments

There are times, and I think this is one,
where the Charlie Brown axiom “No problem is to big to run away from” seems preternaturally pertinent. Like most Yanks I have no expertise on the intricacies of Iraqi
tribal and confessional rivalries, and I don’t doubt that the bloodletting which the American invasion has set-off may very well continue after the U.S. withdrawal. But America is so much more “part of the problem” than “part of the solution” that “getting out as soon as possible” seems like simple wisdom. After that, reparations, participation in international efforts to restore a civil society, and a general effort to atone for such war crimes as the aggressive war itself, the use of depleted uranium without a care for the consequences for the health of the Iraqis
or the coalition soldiers, and the brutal
bombing campaign in cities like Fallujah will provide the opportunity for years of humble effort. Since WWII Germany has been a “model citizen” of Europe, and the Americans could do worse than to follow that model. I’m not betting on it.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 26 2004 10:07 utc | 1

From Iraq, Riverbend on American Elections 2004…

I want Bush out of the White House at all costs. (And yes- who is *in* the White House *is* my business- Americans, you made it my business when you occupied my country last year) I’m too realistic to expect drastic change or anything phenomenal, but I don’t want Bush reelected because his reelection (or shall I call it his ‘reassignment’) will condone the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq. It will say that this catastrophe in Iraq was worth its price in American and Iraqi lives. His reassignment to the White House will sanction all the bloodshed and terror we’ve been living for the last year and a half.
I’ve heard all the arguments. His supporters are a lot like him- they’ll admit no mistakes. They’ll admit no deceit, no idiocy, no manipulation, no squandering. It’s useless. Republicans who *don’t* support him, but feel obliged to vote for him, write long, apologetic emails that are meant, I assume, to salve their own conscience. They write telling me that he should be ‘reelected’ because he is the only man for the job at this point. True, he made some mistakes and he told a few fibs, they tell me- but he really means well and he intends to fix things and, above all, he has a plan.
Let me assure you Americans- he has NO PLAN. There is no plan for the mess we’re living in- unless he is cunningly using the Chaos Theory as a basis for his Iraq plan.

Americans, the name of your country which once stood for ‘freedom and justice’ is tarnished worldwide. Your latest president has proved that the great American image of democracy is just that- an image. You can protest, you can demonstrate, you can vote- but it ends there. The reigns were out of your hands the moment Bush stepped into the White House. You were deceived repetitively and duped into two wars. Your sons and daughters are dying, and killing, in foreign lands. Your embassies are in danger all over the world. ‘America’ has become synonymous with ‘empire’, ‘hegemony’, and ‘warfare’.

Americans- can things be worse for you? Can things be worse for us in Iraq? Of course they can… only imagine- four more years of Bush.

Posted by: b | Oct 26 2004 10:10 utc | 2

My heart goes out to the people of Iraq because it seems that whatever happens in this farce of a US elections the Iraquis will lose.
The strategy of keeping US voters totally misinformed proceeds without a hitch. Because I have a masochistic bent when things get this bad I tuned into Fox news to see how they were handling the missing explosives story. That E.D. harpy was telling her audience that the story was a put up job by the UN and the IAEA in particular that muslim radical Mohamed ElBaradei. She said that it had been proven the explosives had gone missing b4 the invasion. Saddam had moved em.
The NYT had made the story front page and now that it had been discredited they had said nothing. Now I have looked everywhere including NBC where the overpaid talking head said the real story had been released and the only thing she is right about is that it isn’t in the NYT it isn’t anywhere at all. Maybe Mohamed ElBaradei is another metrosexual.
Anyway the media is just out and out lying to the US population now. yeah I know they always have but they aren’t even trying to pretend that there is any factual basis they are just making it up. This is bad for Iraquis because the lies will continue at their expense. I know comparisons with Vietnam are easy to make but while the rest of the world was crying out for the Vietnamese, the US population turned against the war in spite of the dead and wounded Vietnamese not because of them. John Kerry and co protested because US soldiers were dying. He didn’t give a toss about the poor bloody locals getting killed just because the US administration didn’t want to be seen to be soft on dirty comminism.
It’s the same now. US casualties are kept down to manageable levels and no-one in the US seems to care about the Iraquis. Especially when you consider that the methods of keeping US losses to a minimum means many more Iraqui civilians killed. eg bombing houses in Fallujah where the anti christ zarquawi is alleged to be hiding instead of engaging in a properly planned infantry attack to grab him. That is if he exists at all and isn’t just the bogey man Rove came up with to blame for BushCo ineptitude.
By the time these greedy fools lose heart and slink out their shortsighted tactics will have split Iraq into ethnic enclaves fighting to be indepedent from each other. All those lives lost by Saddam trying to make one country and Bush trying to take a country will have been in vain.
They will never rule Iraq but they will divide it.

Posted by: Debs in ’04 | Oct 26 2004 12:21 utc | 3

“bombing houses in Fallujah where the anti christ zarquawi is alleged to be hiding instead of engaging in a properly planned infantry attack to grab him. That is if he exists at all and isn’t just the bogey man Rove came up with to blame for BushCo ineptitude.”
Last I checked, Debs, we weren’t after just one man in Falluja. It’s a network and the objective is to deny it space and time to operate, abscond, or reinforce, while doing a number on its membership rolls. Low- and mid-level operators have been promoted to take the places of leaders killed, and the network is under severe pressure from a swarm of US and Iraqi assets. It will only get worse for “the bogey man” and his merry band of brothers.

Posted by: Pat | Oct 26 2004 13:40 utc | 4

Josh Marshall debunks the ‘Saddam moved the explosives’ lie
Pat, you seem to be confidently and uncritically relaying a US military fantasy scenario about the ‘al-Zarqawi network’. Judging by the many pictures of dead children and babies being pulled from rubble in Falluja, including filmed footage from Reuters that your same US spokespersons tried to dismiss as the work of an al-Zarqawi propagandist as they steadfastly denied killing a family of six even as we saw their murdered corpses being plucked from the ruins of their little home, there seems to be a considerable dissonance between US military accounts and reality. And given that senior US military and intelligence staffers are briefing journalists that they don’t actually know whether al-Zarqawi is alive or dead or if he’s even in Iraq at all, don’t you think that if you must eat that stuff you shouldn’t swallow it? It’s fine to have a sense of loyalty to the US military but if that’s going to blind you to the possibility that the US military lies and utilizes disinformation for its own unfathomable purposes then you run the risk of drifting hopelessly off-picture. Or do you think that Iraqis are just a bunch of liars and that we shouldn’t pay any attention to what the people of Falluja, who are actually living in the city and doing the bleeding and dying, have to say? Or maybe you’ve moved on and accepted that you were fed a pack of lies by your own administration about Iraq but now you think that all the ‘intelligence’ is accurate, spotless and truthful? Like so many other people who fully understand just who really is paying for the al-Zarqawi fable, I dread what is going to happen in Fallujah And I’m a lot less sure of the ‘intelligence’ that underlies the approaching slaughter than you seem to be.

Posted by: Brad | Oct 26 2004 14:19 utc | 5

On Zarqawi:

MNF-I strike kills Zarqawi associate
FALLUJAH, Iraq – A precision strike in northwest Fallujah, conducted at 3 a.m. Oct. 26, by Multi-National Force-Iraq has taken another toll on the Zarqawi network. This strike on a Zarqawi safe house further erodes the organizations capability to conduct attacks on the citizens of Fallujah and Iraq.
Multiple sources reported that a known associate of the Zarqawi network was present at the time of the strike.
Zarqawi terrorists continue to endanger the lives of the people of Iraq, by conducting operations in residential areas and exposing the civilian populous to harm.
Recent strikes and raids targeting the Abu Musab Al Zarqawi network have severely degraded its ability to conduct attacks and have effectively reduced the influence of its terrorist leader as made evident by the recent merger of the Zarqawi network with Al Qaeda.
The United State has offered a $25 million reward for the capture or death of Zarqawi in continued demonstration of the commitment to rid Iraq of terror.
Release #041026a

This is from about 12 hours ago. It would be interesting to hear the same story reported by other
sources. In fact, here’s Al Jazeera’s take on same:

U.S. raids Fallujah, claims killing of Al Zarqawi aide
(10/26/2004 3:00:00 PM GMT)
The U.S. army claimed on Tuesday that it killed an Al Zarqawi aide in Iraq in an overnight air strike on Fallujah.
The military said in a statement that a “precision strike” in northwest Falluja at 3 a.m. (2000 EDT) had struck a safe house used by the Al Zarqawi group, adding that a known aide of Al Zarqawi was present at the time.
Witnesses reported that the strike had destroyed four houses. Hospital officials said that they had not received any casualties.
Many Iraqi families have escaped Falluja fearing an expected major U.S. offensive designed to regain control over the city ahead of the elections scheduled for January.
Fallujah residents deny that foreign fighters linked to Al Zarqawi live in the rebel-held city west of Baghdad and say that civilians are usually the main casualties of U.S. attacks.
Violence in Iraq has flared since the start of Ramadan in mid-October. “We can’t deny that there have been an increased number of attacks,” an Interior Ministry official said.
Also, the chief negotiator for Falluja said that the government had halted the talks to avoid a full-scale offensive on the city, but a Defense Ministry source denied that negotiations had ended.
The interim government said on Saturday that it had continued talks over Falluja, which is often targeted by the U.S. occupation forces in an effort to crush the Iraqi resistance.

The
Al Jazeera quote

is accompanied by a photo of a boy salvaging his damaged bicycle from the debris. Naturally this may only prove that those opposing U.S. intervention are also quite able in mediatic manipulation and image vending. Still it seems that the “same” event is seen and reported rather differently according to the source used. Those of us who aren’t on the scene have to make judgment calls on what is more credible, and, naturally, our judgments are colored by our beliefs. In this case, in fact, the differences are perhaps not incompatible renderings of the same facts.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 26 2004 15:00 utc | 6

Postscript to earlier posting:
The reader comments on the Al Zarkawi incident posted at the Al Jazeera site are well-worth reading.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Oct 26 2004 15:04 utc | 7

British Agents Behind Hassan Kidnapping As US Prepares For Fallujah Strike
Hassan’s kidnapping (and potential execution by her British agent captives) is preparing the way for the massive, unremitting, and terrible mass murder of all who resist the occupation…
Rebel militias deny holding British aid worker Hassan
Commanders of five separate guerrilla groups in Fallujah said they were not holding Mrs Hassan and had seen no evidence that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s organisation had kidnapped her.

Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2004 15:11 utc | 8

Don’t rain on my parade, Brad.
As for the “approaching slaughter,” I believe you’re expecting a grand, post-election assault that is not going to take place, in significant measure because of the intel that has failed to gain your valuable confidence.
It very well may be that Zarqawi is not in Falluja. Like I said, this is not about killing or capturing one man – nor are current operations in and around that city motivated by personal or national revenge, as asserted at the website. The vast majority of al Tahwid’s victims are not Americans, nor even Westerners. They’re Iraqis. It’s a straightforward matter of disabling a very serious threat to that country’s inhabitants.

Posted by: Pat | Oct 26 2004 16:03 utc | 9

Pat, where can I find your information (@ 9:40 AM) in the popular press? Should I look to other, more specialized military publications–or is it staring me in the face? (I had this idea that Fallujah was still out of reach)….

Posted by: alabama | Oct 26 2004 16:45 utc | 10

i find it vey difficult to accept that we are in ‘situation normal’ in either your national sense or a global one
we are living an exceptional history in this moment & only the blind cannot see that
your country is going through conditions that even from a distanced reading of your press through common dreams & truthout – is of an order unparalleled in your own history
the clear & open criminality – (which i do not think is seriouslly in doubt – the number of process going through the courts is simply unbelievable) – is not being dam^pened or filtered – it is out in the open for all to see
to say that the situation in iraq – is situation normal – is quite simply – given the circumstances – quite insane
the dissapearance of 400 tons of explosives, the inablity to offer security to the iraquis(even in baghdad), the total inabilty after this time to offer even the most basic services – the playing out of an election which will be a mockery of even an autocratic process is in & of itself, shocking
the mythologies, or if you prefer thie lies of this administration have no end – they do not care now to even offer a modicum of camouflage – to hide them
i feel here at moa – really a terrible fear being articulated but that for me is ‘normal’ uunder these circumstances
it seems apparent to me – to many observors – that this election of yours is being tampered with in a way almost unkown in your history – this is tammany hall wwrit large & very dark indeed
it seems to me there is a very real possibility – that the elections will be ‘stolen’ one way or the other – all the actions of this administration – especially in the last month lead me to that conclusion
some will say the response is hysteric – but i do not think so – no not at all – as i’ve expressed elsewhere – in these instances – of ‘political’ changes – i watch what murdoch does – & murdoch is being as hysterical aas his press has ever been – they articulate their fears & their prejudice openly – murdoch want bush in the white house – so for me bush will be in the white house – & i know to do that they will sink to degredations i don’t think even a sad marxist like myself could believe
no this is not normal. it is far from normal. your armies will be led to slaughter. they cannot win. they will not win. & their failed efforts will make our lives & those that follow – immeasurably more difficult
there seems to be a wishful thinking – that if you destroy the people of iraq then you can create an iraq of your imagination – because that is where it is – it has no reality whatsoever. i’ll repeat it until the cows come home – this culture – the culture of iraq is immeasurably more valuable than the transien expression of power by criminals & they are without question for me – criminals
the cultural genocide of iraq which has already taken place – that also thankfully has been recorded – even by your state historians – but the actual liquidation of the resistance – which i repeat, is neither o b l or zaqarwi – how many times does this need to be tapped into the skulls of americans – these are completely marginal, opportunists who will not miss their chance – but are they the resistance – the answer is a self evident – no. & this mythology – these lies will lead to a destruction that will make vietnam seem a sunday picnic. as someone noted here – vietnam was never that strategically inportant geopolitically. iraq on the other hand being the cradle of our, & yes i sd our civilistion is the centre of the wheel from which future conflicts will begin
this is not situation normal
read common dreams
read truthout
read your newspapers – what are left of them
in my life i have never known americans & this site is the first time i have entered into a dialogue with them & i worrry for them. i worry very much indeed
how can any reasonably intelligent person not see the scandal, not witness the wrongdoing, not witness the chaos not feel the level of disorder, not feel the threat of their civil liberties being actually repressed. how can a people not see that their judicial & legislative process is already corrupted – a bush win will make that, total
our time, this time – is not a time to be blind. it is a time to be prudent but to engage – there is no other choice – même for the europeans here, perhaps especially for us
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 26 2004 17:52 utc | 11

& this new masking of the truth with the explosives – the 400 tons of explosives
do people really believe – that the u n & especially their arms controllers need to lie – they are thinking for the world & not just the selfish interests of this administration & their incompetent military command
every day a little worse – every day the accumulation of criminal lies & criminal acts
situation normal, indeed
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 26 2004 18:20 utc | 12

NBC television reported that one of its correspondents was embedded with the 101st Airborne Division which temporarily took control of the base on 10 April 2003 but did not find any of the explosives.
However, other US outlets, including NBC’s own news website, quoted Pentagon officials who said a search of the site after the US-led invasion had revealed the explosives to be intact.
bbc

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 26 2004 18:23 utc | 13

@alabama
You can read through related news releases at globalsecurity.org (listed on the right-hand side of the page.) The releases come out daily and older ones are archived. Individually these are of limited value – generally short of specifics to hang your hat on. But over a period of days and weeks they’re useful. Newspaper articles on Falluja operations covering the same period of time can also help develop a picture.
As for Falluja being out of reach, I guess that depends on what you mean by out of reach. It will at no point be under the control of the US and it’s not necessary or desirable anyway. What’s important is that Zarqawi’s gang is not safe within the city, though we still remain largely outside it.

Posted by: Pat | Oct 26 2004 18:32 utc | 14

are you seriouslly suggesting that the capture or otherwise of this marginal figure al Zarqawi’s will have a diminishing effect on the resistance
on the contrary – the mythology of this marginal figure created largely by your administration – will serve as yet another martyr
this man is a peripheral parenthesis in the battles to come – his dissapearance or otherwise will change nothing, absolutely nothing at all
the destruction or otherwise of fallujah on the other hand will lead directly to circumstances too terrible to utter

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 26 2004 18:49 utc | 15

trust voa and rfe/rl propaganda at your own risk

Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2004 18:57 utc | 16

In February 2003, a month before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, a 101-page document came my way from somewhere within the U.S. State Department. Titled pleasantly, “Moving the Iraqi Economy from Recovery to Growth,” it was part of a larger under-wraps program called “The Iraq Strategy.”
The Economy Plan goes boldly where no invasion plan has gone before: the complete rewrite, it says, of a conquered state’s “policies, laws and regulations.” Here’s what you’ll find in the Plan: A highly detailed program, begun years before the tanks rolled, for imposing a new regime of low taxes on big business, and quick sales of Iraq’s banks and bridges—in fact, “ALL state enterprises”—to foreign operators. There’s more in the Plan, part of which became public when the State Department hired consulting firm to track the progress of the Iraq makeover. Example: This is likely history’s first military assault plan appended to a program for toughening the target nation’s copyright laws…..
And when it comes to oil, the Plan leaves nothing to chance—or to the Iraqis. Beginning on page 73, the secret drafters emphasized that Iraq would have to “privatize” (i.e., sell off) its “oil and supporting industries.” The Plan makes it clear that—even if we didn’t go in for the oil—we certainly won’t leave without it……
Adventure Capitalism

Posted by: Machiavelli | Oct 26 2004 19:46 utc | 17

What should be clear is that the US forces in Iraq, as in Vietnam, are hobbled by disfunctional intellegence concerning the who and where abouts of the “enemy”. Even during the invasion itself and the much lauded decapatation attempts on Saddam and his party, US intellegence, in the end (of the invasion) batted 0% for 50 attempts — and instead killed civilians.In Vietnam, I will mention two tactical efforts that were used, to ill effect, that are currently used in Iraq (with similar ill effect): 1) The use of so called “harassment” fire, in Vietnam this meant artillery (or air B-52) — every night, every firebase (hundreds of them) would fire endless amounts of ordnance into the night, based on an intellegence hunch at best. This tactic was (and is) shown to have only the most negligable military benifit, but acted as pure genius in focusing the outrage and will of the receiving population. Clearly, this is a tactic of “if all else fails” in that the risk inherent in alienating further the population is weighed against the need to show dominance — a desperate need to do something to prove to onself that you are indeed, “doing something”. 2) The second tactic, which I am beginning to see just as cynically, is the use of ” patroling”. In Vietnam this was the primary means (on the ground) of both showing control&force and also to draw enemy response, or fire. Essentally, making yourself a target to be challenged or to be obeyed. This method also is destined to failure because it both serves to isolate and differentiate the occupier in the eyes of the occupied, but also because of this, will always put the patrol-er on the negative side of the learning curve — as now illustrated by the use (in Iraq) of the IUD for example.
Both these tactics, because they are so designed to first and formost, convince and reassure the self of it’s own control, they are destined to failure in the eyes and MIND of the other — which therein lies the only true acknowledgment of success and winning. That, among others, is why we must loose in Iraq.

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 26 2004 19:51 utc | 18

Allawi Faults U.S.-Led Forces on Execution of Iraqi Soldiers

Prime Minister Ayad Allawi partly blamed the American-led military forces on Tuesday for the massacre by insurgents of 49 freshly trained Iraqi soldiers on Saturday, saying the military had shown “major negligence.”

“I think there was major negligence by the multinational forces,” Dr. Allawi said before the 100-member assembly. “It was a way to damage Iraq and the Iraqi people.”

Looks like someone screwed up. Did Allawi give back his GOP membership?

Posted by: b | Oct 26 2004 19:59 utc | 19

Allawi was prob involved in it. Too many questions surrounding this “ambush” — could be they were set up. Reality PR…

Posted by: b real | Oct 26 2004 20:14 utc | 20

anna missed
that is my memory also
there also seems to haave been a number of attempts at a ‘vietnamisation’ programme which have fallen to earth as quickly as they di in vietnam
there also seems to be forms of the phoenix programme synthesised with tshals murdering of militants amongst iraqui intellectuals & those thought as possible allies of the resistance
as i’ve sd here before – i am not completely convinced that the kidnappings are not the work of such a programme because there appear to be many, many inconsistencies (eeven if one would accept that certain of the kidnappers are just bandits – they are bandits – who are being controlled – & certainly not by the mythical zaqarwi
i don’t know if you remember the vietnamese patriot nguyen van troi who i think tried to assassinate macnamara was also given the ‘monster’ treatment though he was in fact an angelic undergraduate who loved his country more than he did his life
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 26 2004 20:23 utc | 21

Brad: What could you expect from someone who openly admitted voting for Bush next week?
So, yes, the US is killing civilians in Fallujah, the US actually has killed twice as many civilians in strikes against “insurgents” than guerrillas have killed civilians, because the US is actually “making Iraqis safer”. Yeah. And that’s why blidnly bombing houses in Fallujah, where the US has NO inside intelligence, is the way to go to root out Zarqawi’s group.
Machiavelli: Yep, that’s what they tried to do. Needless to say, this in itself probably constitutes a war crime.
b real, giap: Surely, somd kidnappings are pretty suspicious. Who benefit most from them?

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Oct 26 2004 20:47 utc | 22

It’s a straightforward matter of disabling a very serious threat to that country’s inhabitants.
Oh please. That’s what they said about installing Saddam in in the first place — it would disable the very serious threat of a fundie Islamic revolution, because our pet “strong man” would suppress the Shi’a. Which he did with relish. So then it’s what they said about encouraging him to attack Iran: once again fundie Islam as the “serious threat”. And then it’s what they said about Bush War I and the Siege of Iraq (aka “sanctions”) after the damn-fool was suckered into invading Kuwait: that it was about disabling a very serious threat to the stability of the region and “his own people”. And then it’s what they said about invading Iraq again, that it was about disabling a very serious threat to innocent AngloAmerican children in imminent danger from Killer Iraqi Drones from Hell, and besides he was threatening his own people, yada yada.
No matter what blundering the US does in the ME or any other theatre it is always represented as a straightforward way of disabling some serious threat or other. I think the rest of the world is catching onto the idea that the most serious threat in those parts is the US and its nonstop interfering. If they’d let Mossadegh civilise Iranian politics starting in ’53, what a different ME we might be seeing today. But no, no, mustn’t upset the oil companies, so out he had to go and the whole sickening tragedy plays out from there. And every single time, the reason why the populist leader has to be deposed or assassinated, or the civilians indiscriminately bombed, or the countryside defoliated, is “a straightforward matter of disabling a very serious threat.” Uh-huh. Waco writ large. We have to destroy the children in order to save them.
The only serious threat that gets disabled in all of these ops that I can see, is the serious threat to the profitability of the arms business if the public ever caught on to this endless shell game. In this at least, Smedley Butler was right.

Posted by: DeAnander | Oct 26 2004 22:34 utc | 23

And speaking of deja vu:
Excellent Guardian article on the parallels between British colonial adventurism in previous decades and Tony’s commitment to Bush’s invasion and occupation of Iraq.

British ministers’ claim to be defending civilisation against barbarity in Iraq finds a powerful echo in 1950s Kenya, when Britain sought to smash an uprising against colonial rule. Yet, while the British media and political class expressed horror at the tactics of the Mau Mau, the worst abuses were committed by the occupiers. The colonial police used methods like slicing off ears, flogging until death and pouring paraffin over suspects who were then set alight.
British forces killed around 10,000 Kenyans during the Mau Mau campaign, compared with the 600 deaths among the colonial forces and European civilians. Some British battalions kept scoreboards recording kills, and gave £5 rewards for the first sub-unit to kill an insurgent, whose hands were often chopped off to make fingerprinting easier. “Free fire zones” were set up, where any African could be shot on sight.

I agree with Curtis’ conclusion:

These episodes highlight the gulf between what ministers have told the public and what they have understood to be the case in private. The declassified secret files point to some harsh truths about current policy in Iraq: that the war is not about what our leaders say it is (democracy), is not primarily against who they say it is (terrorists) and is not being conducted for whom they say it is (Iraqis).

I also expect some kind of replay of the Siege of Kut. The Iraqis have been resisting invaders a helluva lot longer than either the Brits or the Amis have been in the invasion business.

Posted by: DeAnander | Oct 26 2004 22:45 utc | 24

deanander
you are really firing on all 8(?) cylinders
all power to you
rust never sleeps
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 26 2004 22:56 utc | 25

@Pat
The “very serious threat to that country’s inhabitants” is the US military.
Are you serious? You expect anyone to buy America’s “concern” for the “inhabitants” ?
@Brad
Cogent comments

Posted by: DM | Oct 26 2004 23:15 utc | 26

Firing on all 8, eh? well R’giap, that is peut-être pas le mot juste w/which to compliment a car-free cyclist/pedestrian advocate — not quite the happiest choice of phrase 🙂 but I will take it in the spirit in which it was meant, thank’ee kindly. suggest perhaps a sailing metaphor, next time I have the felicity to earn your approval 🙂 wind power is always pleasing.

Posted by: DeAnander | Oct 26 2004 23:31 utc | 27

@DeA: Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Posted by: beq | Oct 26 2004 23:39 utc | 28

aye aye cap’un

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Oct 27 2004 0:05 utc | 29

Debs:
She said that it had been proven the explosives had gone missing b4 the invasion. Saddam had moved em.
LOL! The all-purpose answer: he gave ’em to Syria. Of course, this is a bit of a red herring. It may be fine media fodder for the last week of the election, but it distracts from the real scandal: failure to protect nuclear waste, the single most stunning bit of gross incompetence produced by the Right Maoists of Bushco.
As for Riverbend giving the cry of Anybody But Bush, I couldn’t help thinking of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard endorsing Bush a little while ago. Naturally it was just to embarass him, but clearly they’re meant for each other – spreading jihad far and wide.
From Bernhard’s NY Times link:

An Iraqi national security aide said on Monday that up to 5 percent of the Iraqi forces might be infiltrated by insurgents, and American troops say the police and national guardsmen are worthless or working with insurgents.

I imagine Allawi is relying on his new intelligence bureau to try to remove those infiltrators. If he fails, then large numbers of Americans will have to stay for much longer than is politically feasible. Or, if ethnic relations do begin to slide downhill, the next Iraqi government might even quietly fire Sunnis from the security forces, if they’re deemed to be “unreliable” (just personal speculation, not something I’ve heard). Not exactly conducive to stability either way.

Posted by: Harrow | Oct 27 2004 5:14 utc | 30

>remebGiap
In my above post, it occured to me that in Iraq, the same basic tactics that I witnessed in Vietnam are again at work in Iraq with the same results, and I suppose that this is enevitability so in such a war, as opposed to conventional war. Seeing that such a war seeks a cultural change to be successful it is loathsome that the the enemy is seen inadvertently as the people themselves — and then yet again leads to its failure. As Clueless Joe points out, above, the US has killed more civilians than the insurgents, in its harassment fire upon Fallujah, not to mention the tens of thousands killed liltingly as collateral damage, and then again those killed with the breakdown of law and order.
And also I am in no way looking to conceal the project of the war by the incompetence of its execution — after all the the record of the conceivers of this war: Wolfowitz, Pearle, Powell, Cheny, and the rest, show no insight toward the reconstruction or any reconstitution of enlightened civil order in their previous efforts in Indonesia, Central America, Angola,etc. No, this is just another myopic ideological pipe dream of vicarious warriors playing cowboy and indians with first of all the American psyche, and secondly the self identity of the rest of the world. And so again we jump over the abyss thinking wax wings will make us fly.

Posted by: anna missed | Oct 27 2004 8:54 utc | 31

No of course not…things are not going to turn for the better in Iraq or Afghanistan or Chechnya or anywhere else where occupation is in place. It takes not much to realize this. I also knew it when Milosevic tried to “make things better” by using force against “Albanian terrorists” on Kosovo (but like Americans killed mostly civilians in revenge).
When it comes to the force you can only rule FOR SOME TIME with fear and slaughtering (that will come back to bite you eventually one way or another, this generation or next one…) …yahh…you can’t kill them all even if you exempt your self from war crime tribunals… just not practical, you know.
Yes it’s not going to get better but I don’t even think anyone expect it to (including occupiers) …They have all those military (and other) annalists you know and they are NOT fools all tho they’ll make fools of all of you (us) for the money.
The only unpleasant/unexpected thing is that this time “bloody chocolate makers” are not willing to pay (with money and lives) to maintain American dream of greatest nation in the world and their standard.
This time it’s going to come from American tax payers pocket and cradle…
Is Kerry going to make Europeans more willing? Well anything is possible… ”Chocolate makers” are not immune to good deals, you know. It has nothing to do with moral or anything like that as we are all aware…Unfortunate Iraqis will die anyway…
It’s pretty much bad luck to become subject of USA interest…American solders will continue to die in Iraq but it’s not going to be mentioned very often after this election…
They are only numbers for politicians and for anyone not involved directly…just numbers…But if draft is to be reintroduced then expect some serious opposition to draft in about 10 years and tens of thousands of dead American solders…déjà vu…
Nothing new under the sun…Divide and rule is pretty much the only option in many cases like ex YU…it works to some extend…But in this case trouble is that USA really does not need chaos of civil war in Iraq at this stage. They already have their own military there and they need some sort of security in order to exploit oil and make Iraqis pay for their own occupation (perfidy your name is…)

Posted by: vbo | Oct 27 2004 12:45 utc | 32

The New York Review of Books had this to say about the occupation and future of Iraq:
In the May 13 issue of The New York Review, I argued that the breakup of Iraq seemed more likely than a successful transition to centralized democracy. I suggested that Iraq can be held together only as a loose federation consisting of Kurdistan, a Sunni entity in the center, and a Shiite entity in the south, with Baghdad as a jointly administered federal capital.
Subsequent events make such a breakup more likely than ever. The Kurds, whose attachment to Iraq was minimal to start with, have been further estranged by the bungled way they were excluded from the top positions in the transitional government and by the Bush administration’s decision to abandon the TAL. As support for extremists grows in Arab Iraq, the Kurds increasingly regard the rest of Iraq as an alien land. While just a few months ago Kurdish leaders concentrated on how to increase their influence in Baghdad, they now think as much about how to disengage from Iraq in the event of further deterioration, which most see as inevitable.
The main Shiite religious parties are biding their time until elections, in which they hope to dominate. With only marginal positions in the current administration, moderate Shiite religious parties risk being challenged by their more radical coreligionists, both in the street and at the ballot box. Without the TAL, there are no ground rules to govern the post-election phase; as a result, conflict is now all the more likely between Shiite clerics wanting to impose an Islamic state on all of Iraq and the Kurds seeking to preserve their secular self-governing entity in the north.

Posted by: fauxreal | Oct 27 2004 16:26 utc | 33

VBO:
But in this case trouble is that USA really does not need chaos of civil war in Iraq at this stage.
I agree, and I don’t think even the looniest neocon wants that, if only because it would make America’s job more difficult. But they will fully exploit the mutual suspicions in Iraqi society to prevent the possibility of a full popular uprising. My goodness, just imagine what that would do to oil prices!!

As support for extremists grows in Arab Iraq, the Kurds increasingly regard the rest of Iraq as an alien land.

Oh that’s just great. A three way civil war, just like Bosnia! The Kurdish leadership still mouths moderate platitudes about a unified Iraq, but the Kurdish people are leaning strongly towards independence. Eventually some crafty demagogue is going to harness that sentiment to gain power, and the gates of hell will open (again).

Posted by: Harrow | Oct 27 2004 17:28 utc | 34

Okay, then, what’s it really like in Sarajevo today? I don’t get the analogies to the Balkans in the 90’s.

Posted by: gylangirl | Oct 27 2004 18:48 utc | 35

The two sides in the Iraq war – USuk, the powerful invader – and the Iraqis – are engaged in indirect terrrorist warfare. That involves explosive packages that blow up Humvees, and bombing of whole towns from the air.
Both parties collaborate in keeping the conflict terroristic. The Iraqis, because their means will stretch no further, USuk, to keep their casualties low (on the field – more than a third of soldier will die later from various causes) and to maintain the Coalition, such as it is, on board, and go on pretending to the International community that all is well, they are just dealing with some insurgents.
Overall, the invasion has been a success. Iraq has accepted its first IMF loan, oil companies are finally to enter Iraq, and Iraqi farmers will no longer be able to keep, buy or exchange local seeds. (The Australians will sell their wheat.) A puppet government, headed by an (ex) Baathist has been installed. Unions have been smashed, state enterprises are no longer functioning, and the Iraqis are guzzling gas (due to the lack of import duty on cars) like there was no tomorow, despite the very poor road conditions. Women have had to stay home and give up their meager stabs at independence, schools are not running properly, professors and experts in various fields are dying like flies (shot by who-knows-whom) or leaving the country in fear. Children are no better off than during sanctions – glue sniffers, child vagrants, and yes child prostitutes, absent during sanctions, have now appeared. Drugs are slowly coming in. Kidnapping is a way or raising revenue for thugs (Other kidnappings are political and carried out by who-knows-whom.). Rape is rampant. Hospitals are even flithier than before, and basic medecines are still missing. Anyone can die any time, and the prisons are full, more will be built. (I suppose.) The morgues are overflowing, as is the sewage. Women die in childbirth at home. There is little electricity and a lot of books have been burnt.
Nobody has intervened! Nobody has done a g-damn thing! It worked!

Posted by: Blackie | Oct 27 2004 19:39 utc | 36

Except that the oil companies are NOT coming. They cant and wont.

Posted by: Jérôme | Oct 27 2004 19:43 utc | 37

There was an article in the NYT on October 12 where Pentagon officials said that they hoped the suffering of the civilians in Fallujah from the American bombing would drive a wedge between the civilians and the more extreme insurgents, the ones blowing up Iraqi civilians. The guy seemed totally oblivious to the irony of his remarks–he was hoping that Americans killing Iraqi civilians would lead Iraqi civilians to turn against Islamic terrorists who kill Iraqi civilians. It crossed my mind that maybe if I were Iraqi, I’d hate both the Islamic terrorists and the Americans, since they were both killing civilians (except the Americans kill more), or maybe I’d temporarily form an alliance with one to fight the other. But I doubt I’d see the situation quite the way the Pentagon guy did.
And all that aside, the man at the Pentagon was basically confessing to American war crimes.

Posted by: Donald Johnson | Oct 27 2004 20:14 utc | 38

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Okay, then, what’s it really like in Sarajevo today? I don’t get the analogies to the Balkans in the 90’s.
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There is an excellent analogy in “three way civil war”…like in Bosnia. You all are aware, I hope, that in Bosnia there were three parts (nations) involved in civil war : Muslims, Croats and Serbs. Croats and Muslims had heavy fights between them.
And as far as I hear Sarajevo as a city ,after the war, has been mostly abandoned by Serbs. They sold their properties and moved mostly to their own “capital” in near by Pale (town). I always said that what was accomplished with this wars could easily been done through “classifieds” (real estate) news paper section. Except that it wouldn’t give an opportunity for scumbags to plunder. Bosnia is divided in three “entities” where really power lays in the hands of foreign “commissioner” (or what ever his title is). It’s PROTECTORATE. Simple as that. People (fictional governments in all three entities) rely on foreign money. Serbs as well as Croats learned that they’ll need to wait for better times to separate …and Muslims…I don’t know…they must be aware that there will be not exactly bright future for them once when Americans decide they do not need Bosnia strategically any more.

Posted by: vbo | Oct 28 2004 3:04 utc | 39

Jerome, surely they will one day? (major oil companies enter Iraq.) I realise the conditions of stability and security are not ideal at present, but obviously everyone hopes that they will be realised. Or are these articles nothing but hype and pipedreams?
All from Oct. 2004:
Russian oil companies look to work with US, UK partners in Iraq
The Russian company, Soyuzneftegaz, will begin exploiting the Al-Rafidayn oil field in Iraq by the end of 2005 at the earliest, the chairman of the board of Soyuzneftegaz, and the head of the Union of Oil and Gas Producers of the Russian Federation, Yuriy Shafranik..
Link
Oil giants jostle for slice of Iraq
The race to win a slice of Iraq’s vast oil wealth is on with the world’s largest oil companies leading the way. .. Shell and ChevronTexaco are among 10 companies that have offered to help the Iraqi oil ministry conduct studies on various parts of the country’s infrastructure.

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Iraq opens oil reserves to Western companies
Iraq has issued an open invitation to the world’s largest oil companies to exploit its vast reserves. The interim government believes it can double oil production by 2010 if it exploits existing facilities and develops new fields. But it thinks that the only way to do this is by involving the West’s energy giants.
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Oil companies look to the future in Iraq
For Iraqi Oil Minister Thamir Ghadhban, these are difficult days … Outside Iraq, the minister’s problems are of a very different kind; they stem from the fact that wherever he goes in the world there is a queue of senior international oil company officials jostling to meet him. At the last OPEC meeting, and the subsequent seminar in Vienna in September, Ghadhban faced a deluge of requests for meetings from the moment he stepped out of his room in the Inter-Continental Hotel each morning until late into the night.
Link

Posted by: Blackie | Oct 29 2004 17:36 utc | 40