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September 17, 2004
Weekends Open Thread
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I just posted some news over at the Annex: Terror, Life and Death”. I’d like to hear from you. Posted by: Jérôme | Sep 17 2004 21:13 utc | 1 Jim Henley at Unqualified Offerings (www.highclearing.com): Posted by: Pat | Sep 17 2004 21:51 utc | 2 jérôme Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2004 21:59 utc | 3 At The Agonist, also at Drudge: Posted by: Pat | Sep 17 2004 22:09 utc | 4 Please read and comment Jérôme´s post at the Whiskey Annex. Posted by: b | Sep 17 2004 22:10 utc | 5 May be old but it´s good:
Posted by: b | Sep 17 2004 22:32 utc | 6 The posts go on, the war goes on, the world goes on and we all keep on trying to keep going on. As a parent who’s whole life at 63 revolves around seeing my progeny making it and procreating and continuing keeping on, my heart bleeds from your wound. Posted by: Juannie | Sep 17 2004 23:14 utc | 7 Is this true? Posted by: koreyel | Sep 18 2004 2:12 utc | 8 @Koreyel: Posted by: Subotai | Sep 18 2004 2:30 utc | 9 is there an OT in an OT thread? I’ve got a question for you guys that are history buffs, especially on the US military. Take a look at these pictures. When did the military start wearing the US flag patch backwards? I spent 3 years in the army from 75-78, my ex spent 17 years in, got out in ’92, he was in the first gulf war. They didn’t wear the flag backwards then. When did this change and why? Posted by: sukabi | Sep 18 2004 6:16 utc | 10 @sukabi Posted by: Pat | Sep 18 2004 6:31 utc | 11 That’s the official pr spin, when was it changed, and why do the medics still have the proper orientation? Posted by: sukabi | Sep 18 2004 6:41 utc | 12 jérôme, a wise man once said to me “peace isn’t shelter from the storm , it’s shelter in the storm” I wish that for you. Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 18 2004 6:57 utc | 13 @Sukabi Posted by: Pat | Sep 18 2004 7:03 utc | 15 @ Pat, my other post got eaten, so I’ll try again. In the photos from the link above you can see in some of them that the soldiers are only wearing the flag patch on the right shoulder and not on the left. The article says that there are 2 patches one to be worn on the left and the reverse to be worn on the right. So why are they only wearing it on the right shoulder displaying only the reversed image? Posted by: sukabi | Sep 18 2004 7:05 utc | 16 The flag patches are not worn on both shoulders. The right shoulder is for combat patches and troops deploying to a theater sew the flag onto that shoulder, although by Oct of next year all Army soldiers, deployed and not, will have the reverse field patch on the right shoulder. Supposed to be a reminder to all that “we are an Army at war,” whether “back home” at Ft. Hood or the Pentagon, or in lovely Kabul or Tikrit. Posted by: Pat | Sep 18 2004 7:34 utc | 17 it’s kind of interesting given that reversed symbols have a satanic history. Here is a link to US Flag Rules and Regulations Posted by: sukabi | Sep 18 2004 8:21 utc | 18 @sukabi Posted by: Pat | Sep 18 2004 8:45 utc | 19 @Uncle: Amy Klein’s “No Logo” has at least a chapter on “business-education partnerships.” It’s been a while since I read it. Posted by: fiumana bella | Sep 18 2004 8:56 utc | 20 Assaults continue on Ramadi, Fallujah; U.S. snipers hit ambulances Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 18 2004 10:19 utc | 21 fb Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 18 2004 15:46 utc | 22 What about the Rapture Posted by: emereton | Sep 18 2004 18:57 utc | 23 From the Telegraph, a P.J. O’Rourke exerpt: Posted by: Pat | Sep 18 2004 21:00 utc | 24 The message was intended:
Posted by: b | Sep 18 2004 21:31 utc | 25 U.S. Plans Year-End Drive to Take Iraqi Rebel Areas (NYT) Posted by: b | Sep 18 2004 21:37 utc | 26 On Bernhard’s Secret Papers and Blair, plus Bush’s intentional chaos in Iraq and elsewhere: Posted by: rapt | Sep 18 2004 22:36 utc | 27 Pat:
The third point is complete nonsense – I’m sure everyone remembers those American soldiers who observed Iraqi prisoners being tortured by agents of the Allawi government (and were ordered to turn a blind eye). The first and second only apply as long as the Americans can exert strong control. When that willpower begins eroding, you can bet whatever Iraqi government there is will rebuild a large military with its oil wealth, and maybe even biochem weapons. After all, Israel, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia have them too. Posted by: Harrow | Sep 19 2004 0:37 utc | 28 Stanley Kober at the Cato Institute: Posted by: Pat | Sep 19 2004 1:01 utc | 29 Oops – Saudi Arabia probably shouldn’t be included in that list. Posted by: Harrow | Sep 19 2004 1:01 utc | 30 i detest the corrupt facilty of p j o’ rourke to spill ink over those who shed blood. writers like him are a dime a dozen – he has given nothing at all to this world except the coarse laughs of men & women who should know better Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 19 2004 1:16 utc | 31 remembereringgiap: on the news of your diabetes, I can only say that my thoughts are with you. I can’t wish you a speedy recovery, because there isn’t one, and advice from someone who doesn’t have diabetes is downright impertinent, so there’s no relief to be found in telling you what to do. I certainly hope the chemistry works out, and that the daily management of the thing becomes manageable…..As for P. J. O’Rourke: the only words I’ve ever read by the man are to be found on this very thread. Judging from what you say, he must be very bad, and so I won’t by reading any more words from him. If he was raised as a certain kind of Roman Catholic, he may have been bombarded with sermons extolling sacrifice and martyrdom, and if so, then he must feel very threatened indeed by the martyrs in Palestine and Iraq. He is otherwise completely incoherent. Posted by: alabama | Sep 19 2004 2:59 utc | 32 We all sat down to watch a movie this evening and all through the movie I kept thinking about Bill Kristol and what he wrote (it’s somewhere in a post above this). What he’s calling for – I’ll put it the way my husband put it – is the assassination, the destruction by treachery, of US troops in the advancement of an electoral campaign. A “visible” strategic offensive choreographed for the voters back home, so that they might know that George W. Bush is “on a course to vicory.” And he’s calling for it openly. Posted by: Pat | Sep 19 2004 6:02 utc | 33 @Pat Posted by: anna missed | Sep 19 2004 8:33 utc | 34 The governors of Virginia, West Virginia, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Hawaii, Montana, Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, New York, Texas, Nebraska, Vermont, Massachusetts and California as the Nevada Department of Corrections have been attacked by letters that go up in flames when opened. Posted by: b | Sep 19 2004 9:16 utc | 35 Iraq is getting better: Britain to cut troop levels in Iraq
Posted by: b | Sep 19 2004 9:28 utc | 36 Paranoia really seems to be reigning over big parts of the US. Here Raeds story, seems he was applying for a visit in the US. He brings up a fact I have forgotten. Posted by: Fran | Sep 19 2004 9:54 utc | 37 I’d like to add a point to Pat’s post above on the reasons for the Iraqi war. I agree that it was a war for revenge – kicking some ay-rab ass after 9/11. I’d add that it was a terrible sign of weakness on the part of that administration: we don’t go after our real enemies, we go after the most convenient enemy/bogeyman, and we go after the easiest target (toothless, already contained and demoralised, no allies, etc…) Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 19 2004 11:20 utc | 38 alabama, Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 19 2004 12:31 utc | 39 No comment!!! Posted by: Fran | Sep 19 2004 13:00 utc | 40
Ain’t it the truth. Posted by: koreyel | Sep 19 2004 15:56 utc | 41 I didn’t know if to put this in here or in the good news thread, I mean this means new investments and equipment that needs to be bought, should improve US economy numbers. Posted by: Fran | Sep 19 2004 16:15 utc | 42 @Fran 12:15 Posted by: b | Sep 19 2004 18:07 utc | 43 The aura of invincible power of the US was pulverised in the toxic smoke of 9/11. Any country that is incapable of defending itself against such an attack, be it instigated by ‘terrorists’, foreign powers, or internal rogue criminal elements (or a combination of the three) cannot hope to recover by kicking ass. The only people who believe this are American innocents who think that Saddam ordered 9/11, and American bullies, who naively believe that a murderous parade of strength, shallow in its trappings, hapless in its aims, doing nothing much but lining the pockets of the corporations that own the state, will ‘show them’, etc. Killing impressive amounts of people becomes an end to itself, and the only one.. After the elections, the US will take Fallujah, even it they have to raze it. Victory over the ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrorists’ or ‘Baathist remnants’, etc. will be proclaimed. Posted by: Blackie | Sep 19 2004 20:06 utc | 44 blackie Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 19 2004 20:57 utc | 45 Blackie: The aura of invincible power of the US was pulverised in the toxic smoke of 9/11. Posted by: Kate_Storm | Sep 20 2004 3:28 utc | 46 Just got back from an Oktoberfest in a nearby town. It was pleasant enough – no real German beer, though the wienerschnitzel and wurst were very nice – but what we really wanted on a sunny, breezy, late-summer day was just a quiet beer garden in a park someplace, maybe one we could ride our bikes to and sit reading the Sunday papers with tall glasses of weizen. Ah, memories. Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 3:30 utc | 47 Here some humor to start the week with – or maybe not. Posted by: Fran | Sep 20 2004 4:56 utc | 48 Bush will lose if, and only if, the people who put him in office decide to take him out, and I’d like to believe that something of the sort is currently in the works, if only because (1.) high-profile military figures are going public, commenting on (2.) the leaked (very timely, this!) July intelligence estimate, even as (3.) high-profile Republican senators speak out against the Administration, while (4.) Kerry agrees to focus the rest of his campaign on Iraq, and (5.) Jim Baker agrees to let Bush hang out to dry through three (3!) 90-minute-long debates. As always, the Plame thing ought to go public fairly soon, more TANG material is forthcoming, and who knows what Kerry’s planning to do in NYC tomorrow and Tuesday, even as Bush pretends to be an international leader at the Waldorf-Astoria? Posted by: alabama | Sep 20 2004 5:20 utc | 49 Sean-Paul Kelley at the Agonist: Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 5:56 utc | 51 From Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly: Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 6:16 utc | 52 Pat, Posted by: Fran | Sep 20 2004 6:26 utc | 53 Sorry. That last post is from Andrew Sullivan, whose blog I reached through a link provided by Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly. Last I knew, Kevin Drum was for the war – on the same grounds as almost anyone on the left who’s for the war: Humanitarianism (removing a brutal regime, ending oppression, establishing democracy and the rule of law, etc). I had a couple of frustrating e-mail exchanges with him on the subject last fall. Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 6:27 utc | 54 @Fran Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 6:57 utc | 55 What to make of Marshall’s post, Pat? He tells us he’s a player in the uncovering of the yellow-cake scam, that he and his friends brought a prize Italian to the U.S. to be debriefed by the FBI, and that the FBI wasn’t interested in doing so–indicating, as Marshall would have us understand, that the FBI wishes not to explore the yellow-cake scam…..meaning what, I wonder, about the Plame affair? That the FBI isn’t out to rectify the “scandal of the seventeen words” in any way, shape or form? But we already knew that! It’s out to nail some folks who happen (perhaps) to have broken a law by divulging someone’s metier to the press, and then again (perhaps) by lying about it to the FBI. I suspect that those folks are Cheney and Rove, and if so, then you don’t need any stuff from Rocco the Italian in order to nail them. You need stuff, it seems, from Judith Miller and her pals. And I’d guess that the FBI, simply by sticking to its game-plan, has wounded Marshall’s narcissism along the way (it’s easily wounded along the way). Any thoughts about this? Posted by: alabama | Sep 20 2004 6:59 utc | 56 Oh, and one other thing, Pat: if ever we “flush out Fallujah,” I’d like to see Andrew Sullivan, Kevin Drum and Josh Marshall “embedded” with the first wave of American Liberators. Better yet, I’d like to see them escort our Marines in broad daylight down the back alleys of Fallujah. Their files would make for a splendid read…… Posted by: alabama | Sep 20 2004 7:11 utc | 57 @alabama Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 7:37 utc | 58 Their files would make for a splendid read…… Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 7:51 utc | 59 Pat, I am sorry all this Saddam crab and bringing democracy to Irak was and is just lies to me. Agreed Saddam was bad, but so are many others who received and still receive money and support from the US. The longer the more, I am convinced the Bush Administration doesn’t give a damn about elections, except it being good election PR. Posted by: Fran | Sep 20 2004 7:54 utc | 60 @Fran Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 8:17 utc | 61 Well, Pat, I tried holding my breath about the Plame affair last April, and finally exhaled in mid-July (and no, the scheme of things hasn’t been changed at all)….As for Ms. Miller: she’s a creature of the NYT as confected by Howell Raines and “Pinch” Sulzberger–then, as now, an organ of AIPAC (you may have seen, for example, their weekend editorial about nuclear proliferation: they’re very worried about North Korea, Pakistan and Iran, but had nary a word to say about Israel. And why would they worry about Israel? Israel, from where they sit, is our fifty-first state, and who’s ever called the United States a nuclear threat to anyone?)…..It’s always been Miller’s claim, by the way, that she sleeps with the sources that really counted–Holbrooke, Chalabi, and who knows whom else besides?….Proving exactly what? That by pleasing your sources as well as your employers, your station in life will be forever secure (provided, of course, that you tell those folks exactly what they want to hear)….. And because the NYTimes cannot but confound the credibility of the journalist with loyalty to their tribe, I doubt that Ms. Miller will ever be fired. Posted by: alabama | Sep 20 2004 8:27 utc | 62 my guess is, 5 months after 1st fallujah, 2ed fallujah goes as unexpected due to steep learning curve + infiltration of all levels of new iraqi army = corresponding counter attacks on known weak links removed from fallujah say, green zone,supply lines,oil lines, etc. showing lumbering giant to be blind to where enemy actually is, convincing more population to get behind the ultimate winner, as elections fade away. Posted by: anna missed | Sep 20 2004 8:44 utc | 63 @anna missed Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 10:10 utc | 64 A useful quote: Posted by: Pat | Sep 20 2004 10:42 utc | 65 “You could tell the guy had been hanging out all day. It was out in the open. Every single one of the guys in the shops could tell the guy was set up to attack us,” said Neill, 34, of Colrain, Mass. “That’s the problem. That’s why I’m bitter toward the people.“ Posted by: koreyel | Sep 20 2004 15:32 utc | 66 late response… Posted by: Blackie | Sep 21 2004 18:24 utc | 67 For example: Posted by: Blackie | Sep 21 2004 18:32 utc | 68 |
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