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September 24, 2004
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They tried this little trick U.S. to Loan Strategic Reserve Crude Oil to keep the curde prices from rising further. Prices did go down about $1/barrel and jumped up again the same day: Oil Prices Rise Again As Production Lags. Posted by: b | Sep 24 2004 19:52 utc | 1 Aljazeera has a new oil price article Is OPEC losing control over oil price?
Mr. George W. Bush, please tell us why crude is going to $70/barrel end of October? Posted by: b | Sep 24 2004 20:34 utc | 2 While I am not mr. Bush, I will try to answer your question B. It is because speculators have become dominant in global oil markets with their hedge funds and instruments of speculation. They blame instability and bid the prices up, then turn around and bet prices will go down. They make money both ways. Posted by: jdp | Sep 24 2004 22:00 utc | 3 my friends & comrades Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 25 2004 1:20 utc | 4 Rememberinggiap:
Gotta love that dismal science. Posted by: Harrow | Sep 25 2004 1:41 utc | 5 yes, the caligula like emarkes he made about the elections are the straw that have broken the camels back Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 25 2004 2:02 utc | 6 (sorry i seem to be typing with my knuckles) Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 25 2004 2:18 utc | 7 From ‘Generation Reagan,’ the thoughts of a young Republican, at redstate.org: Posted by: Pat | Sep 25 2004 2:46 utc | 8 You say it like it is r’giap. It’s what I’ve been feeling and wanting to be able to articulate as well as you just did. Say it again and say it more often. That’s the NLP I’ll welcome. Posted by: Juannie | Sep 25 2004 2:48 utc | 9 Re: My 10:46 post: Posted by: Pat | Sep 25 2004 3:21 utc | 10 Pat, Posted by: SusanG | Sep 25 2004 3:33 utc | 11 Jim Kolbe the openly gay republican congressman from Arizona, on having to divert Iraq funds from reconstruction to security: Posted by: koreyel | Sep 25 2004 3:43 utc | 12 Speaking of Murder Inc i.e. Bushco using NLP they’ve also been using visual hypnotic methods in a way that I have thought was a little too obvious but whatever works; W’s “psychedelic” tie during his infamous press conference a few months ago. the “wallpaper” backgrounds with repeated messages whenever they give public appearances, his opening for miss Bush using the baseball jerseys w/41 on all of them, and way back, w/ the Gore commerical w/ the rat in it… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 25 2004 4:05 utc | 13 @SusanG Posted by: Pat | Sep 25 2004 4:06 utc | 14 Susan: Posted by: Harrow | Sep 25 2004 4:09 utc | 15 Maybe…just maybe… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 25 2004 4:55 utc | 16 From The Interrogators, by Chris Mackey and Greg Miller: Posted by: Pat | Sep 25 2004 6:13 utc | 17 Is this the next minefield Bush has to cross? Posted by: Fran | Sep 25 2004 6:41 utc | 18 The Financial Times via NYT is debasing the myth of Zarqawi The devil America knows
Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 7:17 utc | 19 @ Fran Posted by: anna missed | Sep 25 2004 8:33 utc | 20 anna missed, thanks for your comment. I can to a certain degree emphasize when you explain it this way: In some ways its an almost rational response to their dilemma, if did’nt only dig their hole deeper.. What is so challenging is not their digging their own holes. I could accept that, but that they may pull us down in to their hole. I think this creates this ‘damn’ feeling of helplessness, not being able to vote or influence the elections in anyway and though, it becomes easier to declare all Americans as stupid. Posted by: Fran | Sep 25 2004 8:53 utc | 21 Some reads from todays press:
— Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 9:26 utc | 22 It’s getting even worse! Posted by: Fran | Sep 25 2004 10:26 utc | 23 War on Terra memorial? Isn’t it too presumptuous? Like, say, Mussolini planning his triumphant entrance into Alexandria, riding a white horse? Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 25 2004 11:06 utc | 24 There we go again, the sky is falling and we are running out of oil. While we may be falling a million barrels a day, underlying reasons exist. Posted by: jdp | Sep 25 2004 12:46 utc | 25 re war memorials: I recently visited the new WWII Memorial and found it sterile and lacking in inspiration. Not at all a suitable memorial. The Wall always moves me, and I have been to it many times. Posted by: maxcrat | Sep 25 2004 13:19 utc | 26 @jdp – I disagree on your oil arguments Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 15:08 utc | 27 A FREE book on the positive economics of oil conservation downloadable at Winning the Oil Endgame. Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 15:11 utc | 28 I wish the myriad sordid revelations of the Bush family’s historic avarice would mean something. For slightly most americans, everything that condemns Bush is a lie. I’ve spent 8 years studying media and culture, and my own foxnews-watching parents dismiss my claims about Bush/Iraq et al. as my own baseless opinions. For them, like so many americans, the only truth is that which can only be justified by insisting that everything else is a lie. Posted by: slothrop | Sep 25 2004 15:52 utc | 29 b, Posted by: jdp | Sep 25 2004 16:14 utc | 30 ——More Rummy——- Posted by: koreyel | Sep 25 2004 16:44 utc | 31 By the way… Posted by: koreyel | Sep 25 2004 17:01 utc | 32 I’ve mentioned this before, possibly on the old Billmon site, and I hardly ever post over here, because I’m not nearly on the intellectual level of most of the brilliant people who post here on a regular basis. Hats off to all of you. This site is truly a blessing. But I feel that there is an aspect to this argument that is not mentioned enough. Perhaps I am incorrect or off-base, but —– Posted by: dc | Sep 25 2004 17:19 utc | 33 @jdb
China is importing 2.4 million barrels per day this year (the US about 11 mb/d). To have a meaningful reserve of some 60 days imports, like the US has, they would have to store 144 million barrels, quite a few tanker loads. How may old oil wells would you fill with this? One just does not. You either use salt caverns to store reserves, like the US does or you build tanks, as China will. Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 17:45 utc | 34 so sorry when the syphlitic simians speak from the white house. their dementia is deadening. literally & metaphorically. Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 25 2004 17:53 utc | 35 oh koreyel Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 25 2004 17:57 utc | 36 Laura Rozen at warandpiece.com offers Richard Beeston’s observations on Iraq (published in The Spectator): Posted by: Pat | Sep 25 2004 18:06 utc | 37 @dc Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 18:06 utc | 38 @Pat Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 18:34 utc | 39 b, Posted by: jdp | Sep 25 2004 18:36 utc | 40 Zarqawi’s Palestinian No. 2 Dies in US Targeted Assassination Posted by: Pat | Sep 25 2004 18:59 utc | 41 @jdp – thanks for discussion!
Instabilty is another fallacy in that Iraq’s oil has been replaced on the world market by other sources for years.
We are in a political economy, not a market economy. Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 19:06 utc | 42 perhaps only the deranged progeny of jesus christ & j edgar hoover roy cohn & joseph mccarthy – in the form has a blacker heart – john ascroft Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 25 2004 19:15 utc | 43 7 Iraqi Guard Applicants, 4 U.S. Marines and a Soldier Are Killed Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 19:16 utc | 44 & the criminal conspiacy continues Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 25 2004 19:38 utc | 45 @b Posted by: Pat | Sep 25 2004 19:43 utc | 46 @Pat – not really 6 month early – some parts of OIF-3 are already in Iraq. Expect some troops going in earlier than planed for the announced November attacks on Fallujah, Ramadi etc. and the “elections” in January. Some on tour now, especially the Marines, will have it prolonged. That will create an overlap of coming and going troops that puts maybe 200.000 pair of boots on the ground to stomp around. Not enough – when Shinkesi talked of “several 100,000” needed he didn´t mean 200,000. With the infested guerilla 500,000 could probably get an upperhand.
There are already more troops in Iraq than the 140,000 that are officially mentioned. Also you do have to count the 30,000 GIs in Kuweit who are essentially the supply chain for OIF as is the air force in Incirlik and the Navy in the Gulf. The generals know that this is insufficient as well as unsustainable. Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 20:36 utc | 47 From tomorrows WaPo: Poverty Up as Welfare Enrollment Declines
Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 20:51 utc | 48 Bernhard, I want you and jdp to be nice to each other now. You are both right IMO, at least on some points. I don’t claim to know the ins and outs of market and political economies but we have to admit that we have a weird mixture of both here. Posted by: rapt | Sep 25 2004 20:52 utc | 49 @Pat…Thanks for pointing out that armor and arty are being brought in to secure the perimeter. WTF endgame do these assholes have in mind I wonder. Posted by: rapt | Sep 25 2004 20:55 utc | 50
Bonjour Tristesse Posted by: b | Sep 25 2004 21:07 utc | 51 @ Clueless Joe Posted by: anna missed | Sep 26 2004 0:00 utc | 54 @Uncle$ Posted by: anna missed | Sep 26 2004 0:05 utc | 55 Well, I’ve been corrected. I was looking at OIF as a Marine/Infantry operation, which it had indeed become and in which armor and arty do primarily secure your perimeter. But that isn’t the idea here. The idea is to use armor as spearheads within cities, where air can’t reach and where boots on the ground are extremely vulnerable. They discovered in Najaf that an Abrams is the best weapon/vehicle for the job. Come to think of it, the IDF came to rely on armor for the same purpose in similar circumstances, though their main battle tank also serves as an infantry transport. And remember Les Aspin turning down, much to his later shame, the request for tanks in Mogadishu? The Black Hawks and Bradleys weren’t cutting it, and too many guys were exposed to fire. It’s really a revalidation of tanks (and a discount of air primacy) in operations recently thought unsuitable for them. Gotta make the tankers happy, that. And sure as hell beats being dismounted or sitting in a Humvee or stuck in a Bradley disabled by an RPG. Posted by: Pat | Sep 26 2004 0:19 utc | 56 From IntelDump: Posted by: Pat | Sep 26 2004 2:05 utc | 57 Technology Transfers: Posted by: biklett | Sep 26 2004 2:28 utc | 58 @B: Posted by: FlashHarry | Sep 26 2004 2:30 utc | 59 rapt@4:52pm Posted by: RossK | Sep 26 2004 2:57 utc | 60 @FlashHarry Posted by: Pat | Sep 26 2004 3:06 utc | 61 When a strongman waivers – Posted by: RossK | Sep 26 2004 3:22 utc | 62 At the UN President (Dictator General) Musharraf of Pakistan sounds a general alarm and pledges for new priorities:
Frightening Posted by: b | Sep 26 2004 10:00 utc | 63 Uncle $cam wrote: Posted by: thepuffin | Sep 26 2004 14:58 utc | 64 LA Times America the Conservative – Europe is in the 21st century, but we remain locked in the 18th
Posted by: b | Sep 26 2004 15:54 utc | 65 Re: What would a suitable memorial to the Iraq war look like? I came across this Online Memorial. Not knowing what it was for, I googled a few names. These are 9-11 victims. Perchance–has this been done for the Iraq War dead? Yes, but in a tacky way: Posted by: koreyel | Sep 26 2004 17:15 utc | 66 Sorry…tried to shortcut those links. First one: Online 9/11 memorial Second one: 1000 men and woman. You will eventually want to mute your puter at the second site. Posted by: koreyel | Sep 26 2004 17:20 utc | 67 @ b Posted by: RossK | Sep 26 2004 18:23 utc | 68 The Long Hunt for Osama – Peter Bergen – October issue – The Atlantic via The Agonist Posted by: b | Sep 26 2004 19:36 utc | 69 From Bergen’s Atlantic Monthly article: Posted by: Pat | Sep 26 2004 22:36 utc | 70 I just found this site and cannot believe that the “Whiskey Bar” commmunity still lives. I was an avid reader back in the spring, until the comments section was shut down, and there’s nothing else like it out there. And… here you are! Posted by: Bea | Sep 26 2004 23:39 utc | 71 Disinformation and intermediate resistence would be discouraged, in part, by pointing out that a fellow in his position could be tried and executed as a war criminal by the US, or granted some leniency in the event that he proved useful.
But the reason for sacking the entire military was to facilitate de- Baathification, not to deliver some shock therapy to the economy. Most of the economic changes he attempted were rescinded before they could have the kind of shock effects on society that they had on Russia. Bushco was both unable and unwilling to institute law and order in the country – the absence of a plan – and the security situation got so bad that economic growth became impossible. The story of the soap factory seems to support this; it suffered from American neglect, despite imperial proclamations to privatize it.
Iraq must be one of the few countries in the world were workers could make a threat like this and not be jailed or massacred by death squads! Posted by: Harrow | Sep 27 2004 2:20 utc | 72 Hi flies. Posted by: sasando | Sep 27 2004 2:47 utc | 73 @Harrow Posted by: anna missed | Sep 27 2004 4:11 utc | 74 Shutting Up Sibel Edmonds, Again Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 27 2004 5:25 utc | 75 @Harrow Posted by: Pat | Sep 27 2004 5:52 utc | 76 Hey Uncle! Posted by: RossK | Sep 27 2004 6:29 utc | 77 @ Harrow Posted by: RossK | Sep 27 2004 6:38 utc | 78 In the WaPo Jackson Diehl asks, “Will it be the West Bank or Lebanon?” Posted by: Pat | Sep 27 2004 7:09 utc | 79 At lewrockwell.com, Karen Kwiatowski informs us that the courageous Al Lorenz, a Civil Affairs NCO in Iraq who recently wrote a column explaining why we cannot win there, may be charged with an Article 134 violation. Posted by: Pat | Sep 27 2004 7:57 utc | 80 The Guardian A European superstate is inevitable
Posted by: b | Sep 27 2004 8:36 utc | 81 From TNR: Posted by: Pat | Sep 27 2004 10:43 utc | 82 Gott mit uns! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 27 2004 11:02 utc | 83
Two questions about this statement? Where does he get the data to support this, and does this supposed reduction come only from robust military force or is the Apartheid Wall also a factor? Posted by: Dan of Steele | Sep 27 2004 11:02 utc | 84 @Dan of Steele Posted by: Pat | Sep 27 2004 11:58 utc | 85 @B: Posted by: Walter Crankcase | Sep 27 2004 13:00 utc | 86 Now For Something Completely Different! Posted by: Walter Crankcase | Sep 27 2004 13:16 utc | 87 @Dan of Steel et al. Posted by: b | Sep 27 2004 15:16 utc | 88 Anna & Ross: Posted by: Harrow | Sep 27 2004 15:55 utc | 89 @ remembereringgiap Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 27 2004 20:36 utc | 90 Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them. Posted by: Citizen | Sep 27 2004 22:19 utc | 91 threatening torture by Pak police and the actual application of it by CIA interrogators might go together just fine. Posted by: Pat | Sep 28 2004 6:30 utc | 92 |
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