Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 15, 2004
One Month Ago …

… Billmon went “to be off on a boat for a week or so”. I have no idea what happened to him since – let´s just hope he is well.

This site was created to carry comments on Billmon´s posts after he turned off comments at the Whiskey Bar. Here well used Open Threads were added, as were some posts from fellow bar flies and my rants. This morning someone commented:

seems like less and less posts lately. i’m not on the same scale of intellect as most of you but i wanted to let you know i check this site several times daily and do really appreciate your insight. some of the best links to info also. thanks!

The Whiskey Annex has hardly traffic anymore and here at the Moon Of Alabama traffic dropped from some 1,200 hits per day to less than 1,000. Worse, comments to hits ratio has halved from some 8% to 4%. Without Billmon or more active participation from the bar flies this site looses its purpose.

I do not have the talent, cultivation, knowledge, background and time to create the content needed to keep this side running all by myself. If you see value in keeping the Moon shining please contribute.

You may want to write several short pieces a week and post them here. Drop me a note and you will have a posting account. You may like to write a piece just once a while and have it posted – send it via email and I will take care of it (address on the About page).

If writing posts doesn’t fit you, please comment. Let’s know your thoughts and feelings, drop some links, suggest discussions – it’s what keeps this site going. And if you find something valuable here, let it be known elsewhere too.

However, thanks for visiting and your participation.

Comments

Bernhard,
As a constant reader of the Whiskey Bar, I was thrilled to see this site come alive after Billmon turned off comments. I too check this site several times a day and appreciate all input, as well as many informative commenters. Keep up the good work. From a booth in the back of the Bar, thanks and I raise my glass in a toast to you all.

Posted by: NEPAJim | Sep 15 2004 13:48 utc | 1

It is indeed difficult to turn out worthwhile analysis and information on a daily, or even weekly, basis. So thanks to Bernhard, Billmon, and Jérôme for attempting the impossible and enlightening many of us in the process of doing so. Although there are plenty of worthwhile offerings on the Web, few seem to match the consistently high level
observable at these three watering holes. One of the pleasures of visiting here is to find folks who are “pointing out” non-standard sources and opinions, often with an implicit “Can you believe this?” tacked on for good measure (and good counsel). In that vein, and trusting in the capacity of the patrons of this locale
to judge for themselves independently of received opinions, I submit the follwing link.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Sep 15 2004 15:23 utc | 2

As one of the exploiters of the MoA who gets far more out of it than he contributes, I would also like to stress my continuing joy in this thing. During my little breaks I try always to look at what’s going on at the MoA – the Whiskey Annex is obviously waiting for its metamorphosis into Le Speakeasy. So please continue the good work, but I haven’t got the time to write anything that should be published (here). Thank you all for your efforts, and I imagine that closer to Nov. 2nd, traffic might go up. Good information and stimulating online debates are precious these days.

Posted by: teuton | Sep 15 2004 17:43 utc | 4

I am also sad that Bilmon has gone on such an extended vacation. Lets hope we hear from him soon.

Here is a link to a special site put up by LexisNexis (database where you can read news etc.) This link is freely accessible.
Campaign 2004 – links to articles, websites, editorials, etc. Much food for thought and perhaps comment here.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 15 2004 18:03 utc | 5

my personal take – a bit convoluted
i started to get interested in american politics in earnest after 911, which was a shock to me and everybody i know. i was on the job when the daugher of my colleague called to say that a small plane had crashed into one of the towers. we tried
to find out what had happened, but the internet was dead, of overload as we found out later. by the time we came thru, cnn had posted the pics of the second crash and the radio was frantic. it was the only time ever i saw my boss giving any hint of humane feelings. i myself was so sick that i had to take off several days.
before that, i was not more interested in american politics than the average political aware person here in europe. before that 2000 elections i said to somebody that if bush was elected we’d have war, and generally, that bad stuff would happen. i was dismissed, and soon i forgot about that comment and took part in the general merriment about the stupidity of the new american president. how fucking wrong everybody had been who had laughed at the sick fuck, and how on spot my first hunch had been.
three years later, i’ve learnt lots about politics and what i see is no encouraging. back in 2001 i was elected to a small position in local politics here. i took part because i thought i would be able to do something of value for society, but my experience and all what i learned while looking for answers to the horror of that day, i’m convinced that party politics are fucked up badly, for reasons which need more energy to explain than i currently have.
one of my political activities was to read and participate in various political forums – blogs – interestingly all american. hosted, initiated, kept … by americans and dealing mostly with american politics. blogs are interesting because you can compare the blogsphere with the redlight district of any major city, but instead of whores and whorehouses you have the same configuration with poets and discussion salons, literature coffees and reading parlors … for all tastes. in this sense, the american political scene, while often not of my taste, resembles a fashion mile: lots of it but not for the masses, but rather configured like one boutique next to the other. one exclusive discussion club next to the other, as far as the eye can see.
while the american bloggers – atrios, steve gilliard, billmon, kos, and others – do an admirable job at putting their fucked-up corporate media to shame, there are some points of criticism which should be mentioned: bloggers speak to a minority, a growing one, but still; bloggers have attained some influence in politics, but only at the cost of having allowed politics to coopt them – the spectrum goes from kos who gives obscure province candidates their 5 minutes in the spot to gilliard, who has become as staunch a partisan hack as can be, to the agonist, who sees no evil and suspects off-the-beaten-path opinions. it escapes me why somebody educated and somewhat politically aware would endorse either kerry or bush who i see both as bringers of ruin to the US, it is probably their privilege as americans and owners of their respective blogs to run after delusions of their liking.
my more fundamental criticism of the american blogs – from my view as european, are other issues. first, they do not deal in issues interesting to europeans, second (and i repeat myself here), they have no real influence beyond what the political establishment wants to give them. as such, the blogs absorb energy which would be better spent elsewhere (i’ll come to this later).
but my more fundamental problem is with the american political system per se, the one on which bloggers and other discussion fora have no influence at all. it is plain for anyone to see how corrupt and far from the needs of common americans the main political parties in the US are. this not only reflects in the torrent of lies and disinformation spewed thru the media, but in the american economy and other issues of importance to any country. the american economy is a terminal case, and right now the elites are taking it apart and selling it plank by plank, like a decomissioned war ship. bleeding the US of jobs like a cow at the butchery and at the same time allowing millions of illegals into the country plus total deconstruction of the legal system plus destruction of the health and social care systems are actions which in their totality amount to war against americans. the generals conducting this war are the heads of all the well-known corporations, their behind-the-lines units would be the dem and rep parties headed by you know who.
it may be arguable whether americans would be able to defend their country against an old-style invasion, but fact is that americans are singularly ill-prepared to defend themselves, their nation as a functioning commonwealth against the kind of attack they are experiencing right now. estimated 40% of americans belong to the wacky “born-again” variety of nutjob religions which turns them into smiling morons incapable of thinking beyond what their hierarchy tells them. of the rest, only a minority are politicized and could say to have some insight into how their country works. americans as a collective are exceptionally ignorant of the world in which they live, most of them have no idea what is going on outside the US and still think that their wars are somehow morally justified.
the collective depolitization of americans plus their exceptional ignorance plus plain bad education of the masses are factors which all stand in the way of americans stopping the rampage of their criminal elite and taking back their country. for americans to raise in arms, they would have to be able to know, to think, and to see where their interests as a collective and as individua are. i doubt that many americans have this kind of insight. americans have already lost this war which they themselves are – without realizing it – fighting against themselves in the name of their enemies because they are incapable of realizing that there is a war against them in the first place. because americans seem to be too fucking dumb to realize what is being done to them – and i say this without schadenfreude or the intent to insult – they will become prisoners in their own country, they will continue committing atrocities around the world “in the name of freedom fries”, they will go to concentration camps and find it ok, they will continue paying tribute to the jews and do nothing against it, they will morph into the equivalent of a beehive, with a worker class, a warrior class and a minuscule ruling class.
when – and if – americans try to get rid of their zionist parasites and their friends, they will find some nasty surprises laying in the waiting: debts being recalled, attacks from the new allies and friends of the zionists who will now be in posession of all those secrets and cool weapons which the americans thought were being made to defend them against these enemies. to most people who, like me, are in position to look at this from a rather detached position and who know about the crimes ameica has comitted against humanity, the demise of the US from the world political scene will be greeted with cynic smirks, but that is too simple, and misleading. the tool of evil, having been spent, will be tossed aside like yesterdays newspaper. but the criminals will be on their way looking for new tools to commit new horrors.
next in row for the butcher is europe. the parasites are already increasing their activities, probably in order to suck this continent dry before the grace shot, not unlike what is going on in the US right now.
the consolidation and expansion of the EU is but one step on the way to disaster for europe. most people are noticeably worse off after introduction of the euro, and the additional layer of bureaucracy on brussels, an imperial court as corrupt as possible and not answerable to anybody, will in all probability put to shame the shenanigans of washingtonian politics in the near future.
i’m tired now (and hungry). will try to continue this if its not too boring to everybody.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 15 2004 19:15 utc | 6

that – the long post – was me. your site is somehow eating the personal info 🙁

Posted by: name | Sep 15 2004 19:16 utc | 7

will try to continue this if its not too boring to everybody.
You sure ain’t boring me.

Posted by: koreyel | Sep 15 2004 21:06 utc | 8

Sorry if I have not been posting much.
Big family worries. Hopefully better news in the near future.
I still read the site, just no energy to contribute.

Posted by: Jérôme | Sep 15 2004 21:30 utc | 9

@Jerome:
Best wishes for whatever problems you are having at home.
We all loved your comments on the oil threads;
And what you are doing over at the WA.
The best to you and yours.

Posted by: A Friend | Sep 15 2004 21:46 utc | 10

Jérôme, good to hear from you. Be well, and all the best to you and your family.
name, I agree with koreyel.

Posted by: teuton | Sep 15 2004 21:59 utc | 11

as i’ve mentioned – i’ve not posted lately – time being consumed by consultation, tests & entretiens for the newfound diabetes 1 has taken a whack from me si i’ve not been in the mind to contribute as i’ve thought necessary
also thoughts dark, sometimes too dark to share but i read every day – as you know many poster here – seem as friends to me especially alabama but also many others including pat koryel – many who touch me
deeply
moa/whisky annex – a necessity humane & human
burning
the thoughts here bring multiplicities that are essential
the linking by those more rigorous than i with computers are a crucial filtering for me – some days -often – it is the links here which direct me to a proper reading of what newspapers there are left to read
in force & friendship
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 15 2004 22:28 utc | 12

& jérôme
as woody guthrie once sd
take it easy but take it

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 15 2004 22:29 utc | 13

Billmon has let us down……….so far, he wrote with a passion and with truth that cut through the bull from the GOP.
I miss him.
That’s my two cents.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Sep 15 2004 22:37 utc | 14

this is a great site

Posted by: dk | Sep 15 2004 23:51 utc | 15

I am another who checks this site almost daily (and Whiskey Annex too), but rarely comments. I’m enriched by it, and hope the virtual community can find a way to keep this going. My knowledge of most things is the classic “mile wide-inch deep” variety, so usually I am happy to sit and listen, not comment too much. (You know the old saying, “keep your mouth shut, and others may think you are a fool; open it and they’ll be certain.”)
However, I’ll try to comment and contribute something more from time to time.

Posted by: maxcrat | Sep 16 2004 0:41 utc | 16

Bernhard, I have found this site most valuable and perhaps even more valuable than the bar perhaps partially because of it’s, for me, digestible size. I check this site several times a day and only post infrequently because I recognize the wealth of intellect and talent here that dwarf my own and so I hesitate with my mediocre offerings.
It would truly pain me if this site were to desist. I learn something every day and keep up on important issues that would never even come to my attention were it not for this site. (I miss NEMO. Where are you NEMO?)
Ditto most all of the above posts on this thread.
Don’t quit. In a world that shows few signs of sanity and heart, I find both here. I have come to love and respect many of the souls that post and probably even those that lurk here.

Posted by: Juannie | Sep 16 2004 1:01 utc | 17

But I sincerely miss Billmon’s enlightening posts and would gladly only lurk just to savor his insights again.

Posted by: Juannie | Sep 16 2004 1:09 utc | 18

everything Juannie said in her two posts.
many thanks, Bernhard.

Posted by: ByteB | Sep 16 2004 1:59 utc | 19

Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.
Time for a truce. Let’s do it and forget about it!

Posted by: Dr. Arnold | Sep 16 2004 2:37 utc | 20

This is a great site. Things come and go, bigger isn’t necessarily better. I love to check this site a couple of times a week and maybe even post now and then. Hope it stays around.

Posted by: rcrux | Sep 16 2004 4:33 utc | 21

Things fall apart.
We know that. Nothing lasts forever.
The amazing thing has always been that humans find the courage to keep on keeping on.
Somehow we do.
I know remembereringgiap will.
That Jérôme will.
And that even this site will.
For it is not about the will to power, but rather: the will to flower.
Thus we spread our sepals in an electronic wind–like the family Compositae:
Florets of links and inflorescences of opinion.
Will things blow apart?
In due time every dandelion does…
Until then,
It’s the keeping on that matters.

Posted by: koreyel | Sep 16 2004 4:42 utc | 22

All I can add is thank you Bernhard for your tremendous effort, which I appreciate very much and that I hope this site will continue.
Also my best wishes to Jérôme and RGiap.

Posted by: Fran | Sep 16 2004 5:12 utc | 23

Me, thanks to you all, got myself blogradicalized and am trying to do what you do in an effort to hold up the current neandercon government on Canada’s Left Coast to the appropriate scrutiny it deserves (won’t whore here, anybody who wants to have a look can e-mail and I’ll send you the URL).
Thanks all… and will try to post more Bernhard.
With no evidence/inside info whatsoever, suspect one of two things for Billmon….either he’s fighting hard to get the monkey off his back (am sure he must have spent untold family-crushing hours on his 1500 posts) or he’s moved on to something new and interesting in a different guise.
Actually, now that I think of it the two things aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

Posted by: RossK | Sep 16 2004 7:32 utc | 24

Oh don’t you dare to give up on this site… Please.
All tho I frequently DO NOT “hesitate with my mediocre offerings” I don’t post too much because I feel kind of desperate and exhausted very often lately…then I avoid TV and Internet and politic as such…I am afraid that’s what’s happening with Bilmon and numerous others that we all loved to read… Still I want to have this place when I need it…and I know I’ll need it very much in future…Stay open and people will come back when time comes…Maybe this is “calm time before storm”…

Posted by: vbo | Sep 16 2004 7:59 utc | 25

Being a picture oriented (v art) person (and not so much a word person)I will admit to avoiding the computer screen up till some 12 months ago, when the frustration of not getting any information on the Iraq war from any other media source led me to explore the flat screen world. Much to my suprise,after trying this and that, I found a place of some comfort and repieve at the Whiskey Bar (what a perfect name) and some fine bar snacks, and then to some unexpected wisdom from so many barflies. Then, like my best teacher used to say “Jack, good things never last very long” those comments went away. So then, as a new Moon of Alabama arose to absorb those pieces of wisdom, the bartender himself checks out (?), and Bernhard left with keeping the whole place going himself.
So I would suggest, in some unknown fashon, we find some way to pony up, and fly our own plane — if not for the sheer pleasure of it, we’ll avoid another void.

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 16 2004 9:07 utc | 26

I’ll raise my glass to the moon, hoping Billmon is keeping up the struggle in some format or fashion. Thank you Bernhard (and the Annex team) for keeping the spirit of the community alive. These two sites are fine, fine reservoirs of broad knowledge & informative topical resources replete w/ engaging dialog. Here’s to hoping it persists. And that any feelings of intellectual intimidation that might prevent contributions dissolve into the realization that intellect is collective.

Posted by: b real | Sep 16 2004 14:59 utc | 27

I must throw in my own $.02 on keeping this site alive.
A discussion forum like this is the only thing we have left to keep up with the destruction being practiced all around us. I apologise for being so negative; at least it is worth it to stay as informed as possible, and how else?
OK, just a short comment on Name’s long post above. The plan, whatever its details, has been in the works for over fifty years, perhaps a hundred or more, and we are all lucky enough to see the final results in the next ten or so years. We still don’t know what it is (the plan) or what its objective is, but the details are blinking out in the open faster and faster as the end approaches. More important than ever to stay abreast and informed.
The power behind this thing is kept well hidden but not quite hidden enough, in spite of all the brainwashing we have all experienced throughout our lives and the lives of our parents and grandparents.
Don’t go the easy way and call it “just human nature” or “politics” or “greed”. You’ve been conditioned to accept this as normal but it really isn’t. Time to open up and accept that most things are not as they appear.
In the 60s I noticed the projection graphs of phenomena like population growth, biosphere depletion etc., and I thought at the time, “Wonder what it will be like when we reach those infinite spikes and stability goes all to hell? If I survive that long.” We’re there folks, right on schedule, and the standard reaction is to expect more stability as if it is a god-given right. Not.
More recently I noticed that some of these trends are driven not by nature or some benevolent force, but by something else that aims to cripple and even kill humanity as we know it. (The comment about drowning the economy in the bathtub comes to mind here.)
No it isn’t just politics or self-preservation instincts at work and the sooner you and I and everybody else come to terms with that the better. It means discarding, modifying a lot of the stuff you’ve had fed into your brain for a long time. Not easy I know. And it means learning and sharing more than ever too.

Posted by: rapt | Sep 16 2004 17:12 utc | 28

thank-you for this site. i miss billmon too.
everyone around me is a bush drone, even my family. it is very lonely and crazy-making not to have like-minded people to share with. this site and its other links are a release valve for me. i read every day altho i don’t always post.
sometimes i wonder if this country goes to hell, and it seems to be on that road, what would i do? i think i would emigrate. canada ireland sweden or france i think. i often think i should learn swedish, they seem to have a better situation for women and families, but that could be a myth, i really don’t know. and if the u.s. crumbles can the e. u. be far behind?
i also wonder what it was like for women in the pre-‘first wave’ era, or for blacks in the slavery and jimcrow eras. i would have gone mad with despair. but they somehow made it through with a vision for the future, those suffragists and those abolitionists. they didn’t reap the benefits, but they worked tirelessly for them. how did they keep from despair? how do the third world people that my government screws all around the world keep from despair?

Posted by: gylangirl | Sep 16 2004 18:43 utc | 29

on reflction, i realize two things:
1. the suffragists and abolitionists weren’t losing rights they had already gained.
2. i can express gratitude that i am not really alone, i’m not in the third world, and i do have suffrage and i do have options if hell comes.
3. most of human kind had no control over their governments and peace can be found in the little things in life, like glorious fall foliage and a cup of tea.

Posted by: gylangirl | Sep 16 2004 18:59 utc | 30

Thanks to all those who have worked to keep this site (and the Whiskey Annex) up and going. If they are feeling strain, well we should help however we can…
I think there is not too much to worry about. These things go up and down, who knows why exactly. As long as some people enjoy the thoughts and virtual company of others it will survive, that is all that is wanted. One shouldn’t be too self conscious.
I prefer both the sites to the previous Comments on Billmon, although I appreciated Billmon’s posts. Perhaps one could send him an e-mail?
Jerôme, je pense à toi, j’espère que tout se resolvera.

Posted by: Blackie | Sep 16 2004 20:19 utc | 31

Hey all-
First, especially given Billmon’s extended (perhaps permanent) absence, the Moon must keep rising. It may wax and wane, but as long as it’s here, I for one quite enjoy the insights posted by folks. Some of you all (and I think you know who you are) have quite a level of historical depth and acumen concerning the present that I’d quite miss- indeed, when Billmon closed down the comments I was quite dismayed initially. So: Let’s keep it going, even if it is sometimes sporadic.
Second, I haven’t been a big contributer, I know. Most recently it was because I was putting all my effort into finishing my doctorate, but I defended that two weeks ago and so my time has eased up again. But even with all the time in the world, I’m not really much for generating the postings. I’m happy to comment and co-bitch about things, but really, my expertise is in Cognitive Psychology and in particular speech perception and psycholinguistics, not Economics, World History, or Politics. I’ve picked up a lot reading here, though, so that’s another reason I’d hate to see this thing go down.
Finally, I’d just like to thank Bernhard for doing this, again. I know it is a lot of time, but I’m sure you’ve seen over 31 posts in this thread that it is widely appreciated. It is especially nice to me that this forum draws a European perspective. Though of course, it’d be nice to hear from some folks in other places, too.
cheers, then-

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 16 2004 21:31 utc | 32

sorry, that last comment was me

Posted by: æ, ph.d. | Sep 16 2004 21:39 utc | 33

gylangirl: “if the u.s. crumbles can the e. u. be far behind?”
Hey, wait a minute! Europe has got one massive advantage: We are not united (perhaps will never really be), and we have this habit of doing things in a number of different ways, which may also be a protection from all kinds of things. We will probably crumble, but far less than the best country God has ever declared her favourite. We are also too weak militarily to play the role of the world’s most hated bully.
And Sweden is a lovely country indeed.

Posted by: teuton | Sep 16 2004 21:39 utc | 34

Hey a.e.
Congratulations!

Posted by: RossK | Sep 16 2004 21:53 utc | 35

i have written many times here of the importance of constructing ‘communities of resistance’ – the more multiplicitous the better
these sites (moa/whixkey annexe) are a real & honourable attempt to do that without resorting to happy mutual infantilism
i agree with a post this week here which spoke of the age of enlightenment & i couldn’t agree more – the thoughts of the old nazi carl jung & mysticism will not get us out of the hole
we have to live absolutely our materiality – to take responsibility for that materiality – & as a man(if kate storm will forgive me)to do this manfully – without whining, without seeking any conditions of acceptance from the ruling class – which is what they are – no matter the crudity of the appelation
capital is the sam today as when marx spoke – in its essential character – it is brutal & it is in essence – antihumanist
& what brings me here is the humanity which is so evident in the other posts – look i am probably the last althusserian in existence & my ideas are expressed without elegance – but there are many here who are both elegant & economic in the service of communicating
as i’ve sd this week – my diabetes type 1 – is a stranger to me – i have neither been overweight nor a consumer of an alimentation that would normally lead to this disease – it has come as dante sd in the midst of life – when i have through struggle & work been able to construct a form of love that i consider real & material
i think before this point – even in my best work in poetry theatre or cinema – i sought vengeance – & there was a hatred which was borne of compassion – in defence of the vietnamese people – which had become poisoned – as it often does in cultural milieu – by implicit forms of nihilism. in france for the last fifteen years i have sought & fought for a common humanity – without conditions – contingent or otherwise
so the ‘sickness’ hit me where i am – as are many others – the most vulnerable – in the body but the work i do here & the writing for you & especially from reading the post of others here is an important construction of the humanism i speak of
i as others here – & especially in this time – where even in france – where the hitlerian reign of bush appears to be able to survive every onslaught of the truth – material & otherwise – it is easy to fall
i hope that i am not fallinf as koreyel has pointed out but there are times mechanically where it is not possible to post with consistency & i think the integrity of this sight does not require that consistency – because i think there is a real sharing of the burdens – material & metaphysic by the other posters – so when i cannnot write here – i always read – & read with great attention
the work here is rarely schematic & very often it is evident the cost of communicating here – i do not think it arrives easily for aanyone here – or anyone tout court
it has been my work for nearly fourty years to communicate & it is still difficult – it still requires another form of precision to speak the truth
of course i am maladroit & i have the misfortune to write often with ten narratives going at the same time – a legacy of my work on the cultural front i imagine but even in the last two weeks when i have neither felt well in my body or my spirit – i have tried to write something here – because i see it as a duty to the the others who have given & those who have written directly to me
it is not out of politeness that i than these people – but i hopê it is with a comradely arm arounb their shoulders sharing something that is so small yet so crucial – the more i work on the cultural front & the more struggle & success – the more i trust in the little things – it is the little thing which create grandeur
& that is something so easily forgotten – because i work with the disinherited – i am fortunate to witness the grandeur in small steps – but here also there are moments of great lucidité & great sagesse
but above all of a substantial humanity – i am not a very ha ha ha sort of feloow being the lovechild of joseph stalin & lucille ball – but there have been moments here when the humour of a flashharry has opened the door to other more serious questions
all this to say – bernhard – it is important, crucial, elemental – what is happening here & i feel in the coming time we are going to be in ever greater need for it
i will contribute as i can but i wanted to take this moment to express the gratitude i feel with others here especially in this difficult time for me
venceremos
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2004 1:26 utc | 36

i have foregone clarité in these posts in the hope that you can feel a little of the heart that informs this mind of mine
& that what happens here is of a capital importance
tho we may feel tired & even defeated as koreyel suggests there is much more fight in us –
what i wanted to say is that in the small things there is grandeur – & the ruling class though it insists with great brutalité on its mastery – it posesses neither grandeur or grace
it is our small efforts which are substantial & sometimes magisterial. it is the rulers brutality that exposes the bitter fact that they are small men – smaller than they imagine & i do not believe there has been a group of leaders in the world who are more sordid in their smallness & it is the small things that we attempt here that fights concretely to create forms of decency that are durable
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2004 1:33 utc | 37

@ teuton
well, thank goddess for political disunity. but I was thinking economically: if Bush collapses the u.s. under crushing debt a la the soviet union, would the european economies not be affected by it? and is there not also a creeping fundamentalist theocracy and a new fascism attempting a comeback in european countries?

Posted by: gylangirl | Sep 17 2004 2:15 utc | 38

I’m not bothered by the use of “as a man” rememberinggiap … however, “as a human being” would have just as much, if not more, meaning I think, eh?
Your words are well heard by me, RG …

Posted by: Kate_Storm | Sep 17 2004 2:25 utc | 39

“Perhaps one could send him an e-mail?”
Blackie: I had sent Billmon an article excerpt, and then a direct email on September 9, asking if he was okay.
Thus far I haven’t heard back, nor has any post appeared on his web site. (I think I simply asked him to “ring in”, so we’d know.) I must say, I find this extremely troubling. It’s not at ALL like Billmon to just “vanish” in such a manner, as most people probably well know.
I do sincerely hope he’s alright!

Posted by: JMFeeney (USA) | Sep 17 2004 3:31 utc | 40

“Perhaps one could send him an e-mail?”
Blackie: I had sent Billmon an article excerpt, and then a direct email on September 9, asking if he was okay.
Thus far I haven’t heard back, nor has any post appeared on his web site. (I think I simply asked him to “ring in”, so we’d know.) I must say, I find this extremely troubling. It’s not at ALL like Billmon to just “vanish” in such a manner, as most people probably well know.
I do sincerely hope he’s alright!

Posted by: JMFeeney (USA) | Sep 17 2004 3:32 utc | 41

Oops! Sorry, I got that “short amount of time” error, and thought the idea was to just re-post after a few seconds (or whatever). But by doing so, I see now that I duplicated the entry. Apologies.

Posted by: JMFeeney (USA) | Sep 17 2004 3:36 utc | 42

Hi, I’m a long time lurker. Everything I read here gives me better insight. thanks

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 17 2004 4:09 utc | 43

fb Presente!
Unless I’m thoroughly wasted and angry or feel that my mediocre comments could enrich the discussion, I read learn and keep quiet.
Thank you Bernhard.
Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. – Sri Syadasti

Posted by: fiumana bella | Sep 17 2004 5:32 utc | 44

rememberingg said:
“…what brings me here is the humanity which is so evident in the other posts”
Agreed.
The quality of the dialogue and the give and take exhibited by the posters is what brought me out of the lurkosphere on the Whiskey Bar threads and it continues here and at the Annex (and the AllSpinZone and Blondesense and others emerging – that, I think is a very good thing the blooming of all these humanist-based sticky sites).
If you need a stark comparison have a look at the threads on, oh say, Atrios (not that they are not without merit, its just that the humanity is cryptic in the extreme).

Posted by: RossK | Sep 17 2004 6:15 utc | 45

Ross
Agreed, this is one of the more “human” sites in the blogosphere. This is also what is bringing me out of the background to share whatever I have. Also props to ASZ, Blondsense and others. Billmon, just say “I am OK leave me alone.” Many humans are concerned.

Posted by: NEPAJim | Sep 17 2004 13:52 utc | 46

quoth fiumana bella:
Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. – Sri Syadasti
Hail Eris! The presence of Discordians is just another reason I like to lurk (and sometimes comment) here!
and to RossK- thanks! It was a grind.

Posted by: æ | Sep 17 2004 15:56 utc | 47

I’m commenting on the long post by “name” at Sept 15 3:15 PM.
To judge from what is said, “name” is a European, and has harsh words for Americans (of which I am one). To my sorrow, I agree with many of the sentiments.
However, there is an aspect of the viewpoint expressed that I find rather disturbing – the anti-semitic angle. I agree with Juan Cole’s analyses of the American contribution to the lack of peace in the Middle East. I don’t doubt the power of the Israel lobby in American politics, or the Likudnik sentiments of the NeoCons who control American war policy. But I do doubt the analytical usefulness of categories like “zionist parasites”. The Jews in America are not extraneous to our country – they are an integral part of it – for good and for bad. I speak as an AngloSaxon (mostly) Protestant by origin, now regularly attending Catholic services with my Hispanic wife. I believe there are MANY conspiracies operating in the world today, each intended to maximize various goals relevant to the groups involved. Certainly those who own things, those who tell other people what to do, and those who tell other people what to think, intend to continue doing so.
But ideologies, nationalisms, and material interest groups, while cooperating along some lines, disagree along other lines – and I don’t think the Jews – despite how smart and rich they are – are the only smart and rich people trying to run things. It’s possible to be too rich, too thin, and too paranoid – and while I do not wish poverty, obesity, and naivete upon “name”, I try to steer to the middle way myself.
As that Jew Einstein reportedly said, “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Seeing “The Jews” as a monolithic entity, pulling all the strings behind the scenes, is making things too simple. In my opinion.
Let me finish this by pointing to a Jew’s reminder to his fellow Jews, and the rest of us, that, as the Jew Bob Dylan (real name Zimmerman) put it in one of his songs, “Dear Landlord” – “I know you have suffered much, but in this you are not so unique” – David Himmelstein’s remembrance of Folke Bernadotte at http://www.counterpunch.org/

Posted by: mistah charley | Sep 17 2004 17:38 utc | 48

mistah charley
your lucidité is precisely why i come here & another is a stpidly titled leader in the age in australia syndicated from new york times with heading ‘iraq had clear intent’ but when you read article you realise there is absolutley nothing of substance – what i believe in anglo saxon law is called hearsay – extremely insubstantial interpretations of interviews with scientists – letters from political leadership in iraq – in essence words – nothing else – yet it is trumped as something. it is nothing. absolutely nothing. these so called journalists are clowns or whores
i don’t know – i suppose i read between 15 – 20 journals on internet & most of them especially the english language press is a complete & utter waste of time. they should all drop thier malevolant pretence of ‘objectivité’ which would be comic if it was not so tragic & do as murdoch does with all his papers – big tits & flying saucers
it is here that the links lead me out od that wasteful maze & there are posters here who i implicitly take on trust – to be here is an economic use of time & a great contextualiser of the darkness going down
my own darkness at the moment – i will be hospitalised for the diabetes so they can get my levels correct – i read george wilhelm friederich hegel & henning mankel nightly – but all this medicine is a mystery to me – so if i do not write it is not for absence of interest but of access but perhaps the modern french hospital allows for internet access
congratulations also ae & i’m glad to see rossk – as i’ve sd one of the pleasures of the text here is the affinity with people who allow for disagreements & do not look for an affirmation that would not last
bernhard, i hope you are reconciled to maintaining site because it breathes
still steel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Sep 17 2004 18:39 utc | 49

remembereringgiap-
thanks, and i hope that procedure works out- bon chance!
mistah charley-
agreed; I’d sort of skimmed that post (due to it’s length), but reading it in detail, I get the same sense. It would be unwise to dimiss Israel’s role in the current situation, but it is no good at all to start throwing the term ‘Zionist’ around like that.

Posted by: æ | Sep 17 2004 19:49 utc | 50