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September 15, 2004
As Stupid as It Gets

Talafar in north western Iraq is primarily inhabited by Turkmen, an ethnic minority in Iraq.

The city of some 155,000 was under the Northern No-Fly Zone US and British forces set up after the first Gulf War to protect Northern Iraq from Saddam´s Air Force. From May 2000 on, after receiving some anti-aircraft artillery fire from around Talafar coalition forces started to drop bombs.

On 16 June 2001 a missile hit a soccer field in the town while a game was under way killing 23 people. Iraqis blamed the coalition forces, US military sources said the explosion was not due to a US-British airstrike, but an errant surface-to-air missile.

The US forces around Talafar are allied with the Iraqi Security Forces, which in the north are nearly exclusively Kurdish Peshmerga fighters. As Juan Cole reports :

The US wanted the Türkmen security forces of Telafer [obviously they are governing themselves] to make searches in some houses. The Türkmen security forces rejected this since they knew the people, who were also Türkmen. Upon US insistance on the operation, the security chief of Telafar stepped back and the US appointed a Kurd, Hurshit Hasso as security chief, who immediatley started the operation using support of Kurdish troops from Zaho and Erbil. These troops participated as Iraqi Security forces. Now much of the civilian population is in the Kamber valley and are afraid that the Kurds will bring their families along, settle for good and thus change the balance for the national census in Iraq, which is to be held on Oct 12.

From the Turkmen and Turkish perspective this is a power and land grab scheme of the Kurds, supported by US forces. In the last two weeks the US forces put Tall`Afar under siege and bombed parts of the city. Some 100 people are reported to have died and some 50,000 have fleed from the city to the country side. The US troops than barred the refugees from returning to the city.

The Washington Post describes how an obviously Kurdish informer is leading US troops to harass the Turkmen population.

The Iraqi known as “The Source” slipped the borrowed U.S. military fatigues over his clothes in the back of the armored personnel carrier. He donned a black ski mask that covered everything but his eyes.

He stepped out of the back of the vehicle and addressed the interpreter who would in turn address the company commander who would lead the search for terrorists this day.

“The village. He wants you to arrest all the men in the village,” the interpreter told Army Capt. Eric Beaty, commander of Company C, 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment.

“They’re all bad?” Beaty asked.

The interpreter consulted The Source. “Yes, all bad,” he said.

“You have the right to remain silent,” one soldier told an uncomprehending detainee in English. “Anything you say will result in a punch in the face.”

“All of the village, they are terrorists,” The Source told two journalists after he finished.

Asked how he knew, he said: “I have one guy here, and he passed along the information to me.”

Asked how he could be sure, he said: “Yes, they are terrorists. They all have the long beard. They had the beard, but some of them they shaved.”

The Source declined to give his name. He then asked: “Is the commander going to pay me any money? If you are an informant, they are supposed to give you money.”

The Turkish government has send a strict ultimatum to the US saying if operations continue in Talafar “Turkey’s cooperation on issues regarding Iraq will come to a total stop” and “Of course we won’t limit ourselves to words. We never shy away from carrying out whatever is necessary.”. Such a step would deny the US the important use of the airbase of Incirlic in Turkey and stop any supply coming through Turkey to US troops in northern Iraq. The Turkish opposition parties have taken an even harder stance. The US now caved in to this and Turkmen people are allowed back to Talafar.

The complete lack of knowledge of the US commanders to the obvious power schemes and ethnic sensitivities is incredible. Aside from that, the dependency on Turkish support is a sine qua non to their further operations in northern Iraq. To endanger this support is as stupid as is gets. The atmosphere in the command ranks of course trickles down the ranks leading to the maddening behaviour of the troops on the ground and the loss of any support in the population.

Lord, please let it rain brain.

Comments

Turks furious at US Tal Afar attacks via Aljazeera.
Also I just had a chat with the Turkish grocery owner at my corner. He is furious as were others in the shop. The US has hardly any support left in Turkey.

Posted by: b | Sep 15 2004 10:25 utc | 1

The socialdemocratic Turkish daily Milliyet opines:
The U.S. Earns Suspicion

[Foreign Minister Abdullah] Gul told me that it would also benefit Turkey if the US gains more friends in the region but that the US is instead winning enemies.
Following the Sept. 11 attacks, Americans asked why people hate the US so much. The answer to this could fill volumes. However, the US can find a simple answer by looking at Iraq.
The US wanted to increase its sway over the Middle East by invading Iraq. However, instead suspicions and criticisms of it have grown, even among its friends and allies. The US said that it would establish democracy and shake the despotic regimes in the region. However, instead it created ethnic and religious terrorism. The US should see that the arrogance of thinking ‘I’m the most powerful’ is its Achilles’ heel.

Posted by: b | Sep 15 2004 16:36 utc | 2

What I noticed was that the American attack on the city ended the day after Turkey made this threat. So the resolute War President blinked. Yet again. What is this, the fourth time? All the more amusing in light of Turkey’s prior threats to invade northern Iraq if the Americans don’t do more to stop Turkish-Kurd rebels taking refuge there.
Maybe if Bushco had done proper post-war planning, the Americans wouldn’t have to rely on greedy charlatans. I wonder how many of the “precision strikes” in Falluja are triggered by Iraqi informants settling old grudges.

Posted by: Harrow | Sep 15 2004 16:39 utc | 3

@ Harrow
I wonder how many of the “precision strikes” in Falluja are triggered by Iraqi informents settling old grudges.
I have wondered about this many times also, and judging from the reports of poor US intellegence and the hospital reports following such attacks, this would not be suprising. It could also be a functional tactic for the insurgents. They could ironically, I suppose , pass “intellegence” to the US that would lead to an air strike on their enemys (US collaboraters) homes, and/or businesses.

Posted by: anna missed | Sep 15 2004 17:23 utc | 4

Stage Three in Iraq by William S. Lind

By invading Iraq, the United States in effect took Fallujah and much of the rest of Anbar Province from Saddam and gave it to Osama bin Laden. If that is George Bush’s definition of victory, it would be interesting to know what he would consider a defeat.
From the standpoint of our forces in Iraq, the main problem the third stage in the war there presents is that we have no one to talk to, no one to make deals with. As we saw in Fallujah in April, it was possible to make a deal with the Ba’ath – a deal the Ba’ath genuinely wanted to carry out, though it proved unable to do so. Mullah al-Janabi and the thousands like him will have no interest in talking with us, unless we tell them we need their assistance in converting to Islam.

Posted by: b | Sep 15 2004 17:34 utc | 5

BLOCKQUOTE>He donned a black ski mask that covered everything but his eyes.
Yeah, the classic mask, an indispensable tool for successful collaborators. In Greece during the occupation they didn’t dare talk, because they feared that somebody could recognise them. They just showed people with their finger.

Posted by: Greco | Sep 15 2004 17:55 utc | 6

He donned a black ski mask that covered everything but his eyes…
Meanwhile in America, Okra Whimpy was giving away 276 cars:
Squeals and screams of delight erupted as the audience went hysterical, with Okra herself yelling, “Everyone gets a car, everyone gets a car!”
Oh Brave New Wolrd!
Who says there is such a thing as a reality disconnect or the dumbing down of the electorate?
Sometimes the insanity is enough to make me drool, go cross-eyed, and chant:
Orgy-porgy…Orgy-porgy…elect our president and call him Georgie…
Orgy-porgy…Orgy-porgy…elect our president and call him Georgie…
Materialistic infants…
Goo-goo gaa-gaa…
Goo-goo gaa-gaa…
Pfffttttttt…..
Ack…
(insert flat-line video and tone here)

Posted by: koreyel | Sep 15 2004 21:03 utc | 7

Far graver than Vietnam Sidney Blumenthal in The Guardian cites high level militaries saying Iraq is lost.

General Odom said: “This is far graver than Vietnam. There wasn’t as much at stake strategically, though in both cases we mindlessly went ahead with the war that was not constructive for US aims. But now we’re in a region far more volatile, and we’re in much worse shape with our allies.”
Terrill believes that any sustained US military offensive against the no-go areas “could become so controversial that members of the Iraqi government would feel compelled to resign”. Thus, an attempted military solution would destroy the slightest remaining political legitimacy. “If we leave and there’s no civil war, that’s a victory.”
General Hoare believes from the information he has received that “a decision has been made” to attack Fallujah “after the first Tuesday in November. That’s the cynical part of it – after the election. The signs are all there.”

General Odom remarked that the tension between the Bush administration and the senior military officers over Iraqi was worse than any he has ever seen with any previous government, including Vietnam. “I’ve never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defence and the military. There’s a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaida. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic.”

The NYT has a report about a National Intelligence Estimate that has the same tone U.S. Intelligence Shows Pessimism on Iraq’s Future
Where is Kerry?

Posted by: b | Sep 16 2004 7:33 utc | 8

This area is one of the parts of Iraq where some democratic procedures were already established.
The day we start destroying the legitimacy of the government in regions that are already run democratically is the last day that Democrats have any excuse for quietly accepting arguments that we have placed our soldiers there in the interests of Iraqis and of democracy.
The U.S. occupation destabilizes existing democracy in Iraq. Or, since we’ve always known this “fight for democracy” crap was a Trojan horse, let’s talk about the real issue.
U.S. military bullets and bombs are under the orders of Iraqi ninjas. WTF? This country and its armies have been betrayed into the control of gangsters and enemies.
Please disagree. I would prefer to be wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 16 2004 16:33 utc | 9

This area is one of the parts of Iraq where some democratic procedures were already established.
The day we start destroying the legitimacy of the government in regions that are already run democratically is the last day that Democrats have any excuse for quietly accepting arguments that we have placed our soldiers there in the interests of Iraqis and of democracy.
The U.S. occupation destabilizes existing democracy in Iraq. Or, since we’ve always known this “fight for democracy” crap was a Trojan horse, let’s talk about the real issue.
U.S. military bullets and bombs are under the orders of Iraqi ninjas. WTF? This country and its armies have been betrayed into the control of gangsters and enemies.
Please disagree. I would prefer to be wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 16 2004 16:34 utc | 10

my comment above

Posted by: Citizen | Sep 16 2004 16:36 utc | 11

Citizen, that’s a superb post at 12:34.
But my husband says you gotta include an ‘O’ at the end of WTF. As in, “What the fuck? Over.”
Keep on truckin’.

Posted by: Pat | Sep 17 2004 1:58 utc | 12