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August 16, 2004
Off Topics – Open Thread
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One more to win national elections because he is against Bush and the US. Posted by: Fran | Aug 16 2004 15:29 utc | 3 So 70,000 troops coming home? Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 16 2004 15:39 utc | 4 It’s getting better and better! Posted by: Fran | Aug 16 2004 15:50 utc | 5 Imagine the reaction to telling people “patriotism is psychotic.”
— Manuel García, Jr. Posted by: MarcinGomulka | Aug 16 2004 15:57 utc | 7 Ok. this is the last one. Hopefully;^) Posted by: Fran | Aug 16 2004 16:05 utc | 8 @Fran: Posted by: FH | Aug 16 2004 16:22 utc | 9 Is anybody else outraged by this:
Israel Weighs How to End Hunger Strikes Posted by: b | Aug 16 2004 17:43 utc | 10 USA Today: Posted by: b | Aug 16 2004 17:57 utc | 11 Carter: Observers Agree with Chavez Recall Results
Congratulation Mr. Chavez! Posted by: b | Aug 16 2004 17:59 utc | 12 Moon of Alabama Photographic Exhibition Posted by: Nemo | Aug 16 2004 18:03 utc | 13 FH, no – looking at NEMO’s last post, I don’t think I am related to him. I’d never be able to live up to his standard and amount of information. Posted by: Fran | Aug 16 2004 18:06 utc | 14 @b, pork ribs? Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 16 2004 18:07 utc | 15 @ b: Posted by: FlashHarry | Aug 16 2004 18:14 utc | 16 Phone calls from Dick Cheney – what are they worth? Posted by: Nemo | Aug 16 2004 18:28 utc | 17 RE: barbaric barbarcue Posted by: koreyel | Aug 16 2004 18:49 utc | 19 VATICAN CITY (AFP) – The Vatican has offered to mediate to avoid further bloodshed and destruction in the besieged Shiite holy city of Najaf, stronghold of leader Moqtada Sadr, the Vatican said Monday. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 16 2004 18:57 utc | 20 Any spot the main thing about the training picture here? €10 to the winner Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 16 2004 19:11 utc | 21 Following the links to Joe Bageant from another thread, I found this. Posted by: beq | Aug 16 2004 19:35 utc | 23 @beq, started reading the Pilger piece, that you linked. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 16 2004 19:47 utc | 24 Custer Battles LLC Posted by: FlashHarry | Aug 16 2004 19:48 utc | 25 CP: You mean, the one of Shiites in the shrine? Well, not sure. I tried to find some Iraqi police or army guy, there’s probably a few of them. Other than that, they’re pretty upset, but there’s no gun, rifle or RPG in sight, which at first sight makes them a crowd of armless citizens. Some probably have stored guns elsewhere (I mean, showing their guns in the Imam Ali Mosque may be a bit too much for pious Shiites), but it’s interesting to compare with many demonstrations of Hamas or Hizbullah for instance. Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 16 2004 19:52 utc | 26 Joe, look at the pic again. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 16 2004 19:59 utc | 27 Totally OT, but this is an OT thread… Posted by: Jérôme | Aug 16 2004 20:08 utc | 28 @Jerome: Posted by: FlashHarry | Aug 16 2004 20:26 utc | 29 Jérôme Posted by: Nemo | Aug 16 2004 20:29 utc | 30 How can any journalist with any ethics work with this rag? Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 16 2004 20:38 utc | 31 @NEMO: Posted by: FlashHarry | Aug 16 2004 20:39 utc | 32 b, Posted by: jdp | Aug 16 2004 20:47 utc | 33 FH, my link must not have worked. Must go and try to fix. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 16 2004 20:48 utc | 34 Nemo – thanks Posted by: Jérôme | Aug 16 2004 20:59 utc | 36 Juan Cole in an online questioning session with the WaPO. Good questions and good answers. Posted by: b | Aug 16 2004 21:19 utc | 37 Way OT, but….. Posted by: RossK | Aug 16 2004 21:37 utc | 38 The biter, bit Posted by: Nemo | Aug 16 2004 21:48 utc | 39 Saddam Hussein shot dead in Iraq Posted by: Nemo | Aug 16 2004 22:19 utc | 40 Livin’ in a Gangsta’s Paradise… Posted by: Nemo | Aug 16 2004 23:56 utc | 41 Iran through an Iraqi mirror Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 0:59 utc | 42 Being as the pony show er, I mean the debates are coming up, is anybody familiar with Denise Breton and Chris Largent, authors of the book Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2004 1:48 utc | 43 “We ain’t scared of your steenkin’ threats!” Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 2:47 utc | 44 Not a serious topic, but remember the link to Wonkette that Billmon had a while back, with exerpts from Washingtonienne’s blog about the married republicans (and others) she was boinking? Well… Washingtonienne was outed Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 17 2004 3:14 utc | 45 Wonkette asks which man paid for sex with Washingtonienne. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 17 2004 3:24 utc | 46 “We ain’t scared of your steenkin’ threats!” Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2004 3:25 utc | 47 Actually, I think calling the Bush junta the Mayberry Machiavellians is an insult to Mayberry…and I cannot think of one of them that could be Sheriff Andy Taylor. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 17 2004 3:44 utc | 48 Al Quds al Arabi (in London), reports that Iraqi sources are claiming the presence of Israeli officers with the American troops who are besieging and attacking Najaf. An Iranian satellite TV station Al’alam has also reported that 11 Israeli officers are involved at Najaf. While these ‘sources’ may be rumor-based, and I have no doubt that there are those who ‘see Israelis everywhere’, and while it is true that Iran might have its own reasons for levelling accusations at Israel, if there were any truth in the reports it will not help tensions in the region. Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 3:48 utc | 49 oops. that was me with the Washingtonienne posts and the one about Mayberry. Posted by: fauxreal | Aug 17 2004 4:06 utc | 50 Be sure to have your sound turned up… the narration is priceless. 😉 Posted by: Kate_Storm | Aug 17 2004 4:13 utc | 52 @ FlashHarry Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 4:13 utc | 53 Hackworth has got a new one up. The guy can definitely throw punches with both hands.
Klein’s original New Yorker piece is a long read. Posted by: koreyel | Aug 17 2004 4:17 utc | 54 I coulden’t believe my eyes when I saw the headlines on the site of my webserver: Posted by: Fran | Aug 17 2004 4:20 utc | 55 No no kate, and all, I found it… It’s a little out of date, but you still get the picture and it’s chilling… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2004 4:29 utc | 56 Offensive stalls on need to negotiate – Iraq can’t ignore rebel cleric’s power Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 4:48 utc | 57 Training the military Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 4:59 utc | 58 Torture architect defends his tactics Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 5:10 utc | 59 Awwwww, Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2004 5:57 utc | 60 Nemo, Posted by: biklett | Aug 17 2004 6:06 utc | 61 @Uncle Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 17 2004 7:00 utc | 62 Koreyel Posted by: anna missed | Aug 17 2004 7:07 utc | 63 Connecting dots… until particles turn to waves. Posted by: fiumana bella | Aug 17 2004 7:11 utc | 64 Israeli imperialism: Sharon Approves 1,000 Settlement Homes in W.Bank
The US of course will do nothing. Posted by: b | Aug 17 2004 7:33 utc | 65 Motherfuckers! : If You’re On “The List”, No Job For You This shit is really hard to believe. A healthy fear of terrorists is one thing — and an understandable reaction to feelings of remorse over creating them — but scrambling to make the most of the opportunity to be a wingnut asshole is another. Anyone familiar with the human tendency to screw up huge databases, use them for personal agendas and cretinously leave them vulnerable knows where this is headed. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 17 2004 7:51 utc | 66 Didn’t know where to put this one. Interesting article about Chavez and the US by Greg Palast. Posted by: Fran | Aug 17 2004 14:47 utc | 68 Thanks, Fran. Viva Chavez! But I wish Palast would lighten up (no pun intended) on blonds. Nothing like perpetuating a stereotype. He’s brilliant otherwise. 🙂 Posted by: beq | Aug 17 2004 15:27 utc | 69 @anna missed Posted by: koreyel | Aug 17 2004 16:02 utc | 70 @koreyel: Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 17 2004 17:17 utc | 71 Camper Van Beethoven’s new concept album, New Roman Times will be a timely political statement. “Wacko-grape-koolaid-drinking-fascist-homophobe-Christian-right-winger-cretins vs. smart, tolerant and decent people.” Posted by: b real | Aug 17 2004 17:32 utc | 72 Bad foundations – the house that Uncle Sam built Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 17:36 utc | 73 on oil: Newsday: 1.3 billion reasons to worry about oil
Posted by: b | Aug 17 2004 18:37 utc | 74 b/ernhard – is there a way we could have a permanent energy thread? The subject is going to keep us all busy in the coming years and weeks… Posted by: Jérôme | Aug 17 2004 18:48 utc | 75 Scenes from abroad Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 18:48 utc | 76 So 70,000 troops coming home? Posted by: Blackie | Aug 17 2004 18:53 utc | 77 I’m involved in a big argument on the BBC MB about the Neocon call to boycott The Boss. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 17 2004 19:11 utc | 78 Any spot the main thing about the training picture here? 10 to the winner Posted by: Blackie | Aug 17 2004 20:15 utc | 79 @nemo – the picture Street Scene, An Najaf Posted by: b | Aug 17 2004 20:17 utc | 80 “…It’s arrogant of us to go into a country and tell them what kind of government to have…” Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 21:35 utc | 81 Can 007 save the world form 43’s right hand man? Posted by: koreyel | Aug 17 2004 21:52 utc | 82 @NEMO: Posted by: FlashHarry | Aug 17 2004 22:03 utc | 83 Kate Storm @ 12:12- Posted by: beq | Aug 17 2004 22:21 utc | 84 Promises, promises, – the ‘War to end all wars’ Posted by: Nemo | Aug 17 2004 22:29 utc | 85 @b real Posted by: æ | Aug 17 2004 22:39 utc | 86 “No, don’t tell me – lemme guess what it is. Hmmm, sure beats the hell outta me – gimme a clue. A what? A working man uses it? And just what in tarnation is a working man? Do you mean we still got slaves who work here in Ridley Park, Pennsylvania? What’s wrong with robots? They’re what? Taxes? Ha ha ha! That’s brilliant! Who thought of it? Karl? OK, somebody take this here shiny stick and let’s blow this PWT town. Posted by: Is this a dagger I see before me | Aug 17 2004 22:55 utc | 87 To koreyel: Posted by: MarcinGomulka | Aug 17 2004 23:06 utc | 88 @NEMO: Posted by: FlashHarry | Aug 17 2004 23:20 utc | 89 just changed from s.bell to all cable conections Posted by: onzaga | Aug 18 2004 1:53 utc | 90 Winning hearts and minds – all in a night’s work Posted by: Nemo | Aug 18 2004 4:42 utc | 91 Marines picked Najaf fight without Pentagon’s OK
Interesting – now it was the marines who screwed up. This may be possible, but I have my doubts – even gung-ho marine commanders need cover from higher up. Maybe someone at the Pentagon has a short cut to the marines? Posted by: b | Aug 18 2004 8:07 utc | 92 Put your seat belts on! get ready for one hell of a ride… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 18 2004 8:11 utc | 93 Eyes on Venezuela Posted by: fiumana bella | Aug 18 2004 8:29 utc | 94 The link above at 4:07 was not to the full article. The real one is at the NYT: 8-Day Battle for Najaf: From Attack to Stalemate
Now that´s the way to run an empire: Posted by: b | Aug 18 2004 8:48 utc | 95 Oh brother! Procrustean prosecutions – Number 29,456, 392
Translation error found in NY terror sting case Posted by: Nemo | Aug 18 2004 18:39 utc | 97 Anyone remember a place called Abu Ghraib? Posted by: Nemo | Aug 18 2004 18:43 utc | 98 @NEMO: Posted by: FlashHarry | Aug 18 2004 19:33 utc | 99 FlashHarry Posted by: Nemo | Aug 18 2004 20:25 utc | 100 |
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