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August 6, 2004
Off Topics – Open Thread
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Paul Krugman asks What About Iraq?
Posted by: b | Aug 6 2004 7:06 utc | 1 So where the hell is L. Paul “boots&suits” Bremmer? Posted by: anna mist | Aug 6 2004 7:29 utc | 2 Wow anna! Posted by: RossK | Aug 6 2004 7:33 utc | 3 Feds arrest man in 2001 anthrax probe, John Wilkes Booth hunted in connection with Lincoln slaying, Benedict Arnold sought in espionage case, Man on grassy knoll sues state for ‘harassment and defamation of character’, Tigger announces that he ‘…just wants to be left alone to rebuild his life.’ Probably something happening in Iraq too. Posted by: Nemo | Aug 6 2004 7:35 utc | 4 Iraq militia battles US, British and Italian troops, US fails to bomb any al-Zarqawi hideout in Fallujah – possibly distracted by real conflict Posted by: Nemo | Aug 6 2004 8:13 utc | 7 just a few bad apples – unraveling
Posted by: b | Aug 6 2004 8:23 utc | 8 More liberation… Posted by: Nemo | Aug 6 2004 9:21 utc | 9 Hmmmmmmmm, Sistani in London for heart treatment, does this explain why Sadr is making a move? Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 6 2004 9:25 utc | 10 We fired our puns and the Effetes kept a comin’ Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 6 2004 12:20 utc | 11 Sorry: Posted by: Johnny Horton | Aug 6 2004 12:25 utc | 12 Pure wings of wax and that l o n g fall Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 6 2004 12:47 utc | 13 I found this tidbit at Redstate.org: Posted by: Pat | Aug 6 2004 14:04 utc | 14 Pat: Frankly, the likeliest explanation is that many will just sit home on election day, otherwsise, them voting Bush again would be pretty hopeless. Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 6 2004 14:36 utc | 15 Makes me think: what does Hackworth plan to do? Posted by: Pat | Aug 6 2004 14:39 utc | 16 Good grief, how stupid do they think we are??? Posted by: fauxreal | Aug 6 2004 15:23 utc | 17 Soldier in Mosul blogging Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 6 2004 15:27 utc | 18 My visits to the bar the past week have been very brief because I’ve been living Murphy’s Law since I got back to town. I missed out on how the barstools got moved over here to the Moon of Alabama digs, but I want to say a big “thank you” to whoever is responsible. Are we suppose to send a contribution to keep this place open? Posted by: Sassy | Aug 6 2004 15:36 utc | 19 What Hack’s saying:
Posted by: Kate_Storm | Aug 6 2004 15:40 utc | 20 Wasn’t someone asking about the correlation b/t ShrubCo’s numbers and Terra ‘Lerts? Nice graphic to be found here, though it’s only that- no statistics. And correlation, in any case, does not imply causation, as any stats instructor will (hopfully) tell you. Posted by: æ | Aug 6 2004 15:45 utc | 21
U.S.: 300 Militants Killed in Two Days Posted by: b | Aug 6 2004 15:46 utc | 22 @Cloned Poster Posted by: Pat | Aug 6 2004 17:44 utc | 23 @ Pat Posted by: Nemo | Aug 6 2004 18:55 utc | 24 Cloned Poster Posted by: anna mist | Aug 6 2004 19:08 utc | 25 Nemo Posted by: anna mist | Aug 6 2004 19:18 utc | 26 “The ‘Mosul expert’ seems to have had a job done on him today, judging from his uncritical acceptance of the (alleged) briefing from a senior officer that the ‘Men in Black’ engaged in recent firefights in Mosul were ‘Al-Qaeda’ warriors.” Posted by: Pat | Aug 6 2004 19:40 utc | 27 To all: Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 6 2004 20:40 utc | 28 Nemo, great post. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 6 2004 20:43 utc | 29 Pat, that last comment sounds very bleak to me. Killing until one party goes home? What kind of job is that? I am thinking of an ex-Wehrmacht type I knew, and he came up with similar statements about war and doing one’s job. I didn’t get it then, and I still don’t get it. You know I am not attacking you here – it is just that there is some resignation to the fate of having to kill others which I find very disturbing. Posted by: teuton | Aug 6 2004 20:53 utc | 30 It is the guerrillas who have to kill the invaders until they all go home teuton, there is no other way. There is no half-way house between occupation and ‘temporary’ military tourism, and depressing as it is, it is the way it is. Posted by: Nemo | Aug 6 2004 21:09 utc | 31 “Pat, that last comment sounds very bleak to me. Killing until one party goes home? What kind of job is that?” Posted by: Pat | Aug 6 2004 21:13 utc | 32 Thanks for responses, Nemo and Pat. I’m obviously fighting my own (family’s) demons here. In fact, I’m all too familiar with the ‘logic’ of it and I know some VERY cynical people concerning these matters (historians, psychologists…), but it still gets to me. Well, over the last hundred years or so, Germans have been worse things than addle-headed pacifists. Posted by: teuton | Aug 6 2004 21:25 utc | 33 @Teuton et al. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 6 2004 21:31 utc | 34 Aljazeera take on the oil crisis Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 6 2004 21:40 utc | 35 @Cloned Poster Posted by: b | Aug 6 2004 21:42 utc | 36 “What if Kerry wins and gives Germany and France a proper slice of the pie?” Posted by: teuton | Aug 6 2004 21:54 utc | 37 I’ve seen this quotation before, maybe even posted it, but to me it sums it all up, really: Posted by: æ | Aug 6 2004 22:01 utc | 38 @Teuton, as I sound the last post………. Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 6 2004 22:06 utc | 39 Teuton: well, what US troopes don’t get is that THEY are the foreign invaders far from home, not the Iraqis, even if they are “men in black”. But I’m pretty sure many Iraqis are saying the same as the Afghan mujahid, “we’ll kill Americans as long as they don’t leave, because when we’ll have killed enough of them, they will leave.” Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 6 2004 23:08 utc | 40 Nemo- really fine (and thoroughly sad) posts there. Posted by: fauxreal | Aug 7 2004 0:05 utc | 41 @ looks as if part of the media is waking up! at least part of it. Posted by: Fran | Aug 7 2004 4:44 utc | 42 Well, there’s a helpful idea if he sticks to it. Posted by: Fran | Aug 7 2004 5:07 utc | 43 The CIA World Factbook estimates that the military mannpower available in Iraq ages 15-49 is around 6,547,762. The manpower fit for service, in Iraq, is 3,654,947. Those reaching military age annually is 304,527. Since the US occupation began,close to 1.5 years ago, the # of men reaching military age is Posted by: anna mist | Aug 7 2004 9:18 utc | 44 @ anna mist Posted by: Nemo | Aug 7 2004 9:49 utc | 45 And now for the good news – ‘lost’ island of Atlantis found Posted by: Nemo | Aug 7 2004 11:14 utc | 46 OK – pay no attention to Arabs Posted by: Nemo | Aug 7 2004 11:40 utc | 47 @nemo Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 7 2004 12:29 utc | 48 Weird Americans – Number 27,048,788 Posted by: Nemo | Aug 7 2004 12:34 utc | 49 So Nemo, do you think that Nick Berg might have just said “Oh shit!, they are on to me”? Posted by: Dan of Steele | Aug 7 2004 14:24 utc | 50 For all interested in peak oil and the resource crises we all will experience, there is a radio interview online (top right) with Richard Heinberg. He is author of The Party’s Over: Oil, War and the Fate of Industrial Societies and Powerdown : Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World.
Posted by: b | Aug 7 2004 14:41 utc | 51 Turncoats for Bush make move Posted by: Nemo | Aug 7 2004 14:53 utc | 52 Sensitizing the media Posted by: Nemo | Aug 7 2004 15:23 utc | 53 Incoming! Posted by: Nemo | Aug 7 2004 19:09 utc | 54 Nemo Posted by: anna mist | Aug 7 2004 20:22 utc | 55 Riverbend, female Iraqi computergeak is writing again:
This hurts! Posted by: b | Aug 7 2004 20:28 utc | 56 Very moving text over at Atrios, in the comments section. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 7 2004 20:34 utc | 57 Nemo, interesting interpretation re banning of al-Jazeerah. My underinformed guess: If that is their plan, it won’t work. In the age of digital technology, there is always someone there to take a pic – or some people taking a couple of hundred pics. If only a small fraction of those reaches the world public, the shit will once more hit the fan for Bushco, and harder than ever. Posted by: teuton | Aug 7 2004 20:36 utc | 58 My last post was sent before I had read the Atrios-comment posted at 04:34 PM. It does not refer to it. Posted by: teuton | Aug 7 2004 20:40 utc | 59 @Nemo Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 7 2004 20:47 utc | 60 b: They play “Last Man Standing”. Control as many resources as soon as possible and nobody will have the ability to challenge you because of her/his lack of resources. Posted by: Kate_Storm | Aug 7 2004 21:22 utc | 61 I’m watching the Shawshank Redemption on C4 at the moment (the n’th time) is there an American who can redeem the USA now? Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 7 2004 22:23 utc | 62 Ah, redemption. The subject of many writings and many films. Posted by: Kate_Storm | Aug 7 2004 22:51 utc | 63 anna m said: Posted by: RossK | Aug 8 2004 2:54 utc | 65 RossK Posted by: anna mist | Aug 8 2004 8:01 utc | 66 anna– Posted by: RossK | Aug 8 2004 22:46 utc | 67 |
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