Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 16, 2004
Knock, knock

in·tim·i·date: to make timid or fearful : FRIGHTEN; especially : to compel or deter by or as if by threats

Knock, knock:

  • Will you take part in that demonstration?
  • Is your neighbor planing to do so?
  • What about your sister?
  • Will your parents be there too?
  • At that demonstration, are you planning disruptions?
  • Are you planing violence?
  • Do you know anybody who is doing so?
  • Do you realize, that it is a crime to withhold such information?
    Thank you. We´ll be back!

[The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Policy, in a five-page internal analysis] … said any First Amendment impact posed by the F.B.I.’s monitoring of the political protests was negligible and constitutional.

The opinion said: “Given the limited nature of such public monitoring, any possible ‘chilling’ effect caused by the bulletins would be quite minimal and substantially outweighed by the public interest in maintaining safety and order during large-scale demonstrations.”

In the last few weeks, beginning before the Democratic convention, F.B.I. counterterrorism agents and other federal and local officers have sought to interview dozens of people in at least six states, including past protesters and their friends and family members, about possible violence at the two conventions. In addition, three young men in Missouri said they were trailed by federal agents for several days and subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury last month, forcing them to cancel their trip to Boston to take part in a protest there that same day.

“The message I took from it,” said Sarah Bardwell, 21, an intern at a Denver antiwar group who was visited by six investigators a few weeks ago, “was that they were trying to intimidate us into not going to any protests and to let us know that, ‘hey, we’re watching you.’ ”

The three men “were really shaken and frightened by all this,” [Ms. Lieberman (ACLU)] said, “and they got the message loud and clear that if you make plans to go to a protest, you could be subject to arrest or a visit from the F.B.I.”

NYT: F.B.I. Goes Knocking for Political Troublemakers

Comments

It was better in the original German.
(sorry, Bernhard!)
It’s time to rename FBI “Secret State Police” now.

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 16 2004 8:29 utc | 1

‘Through counter-intelligence it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble-makers…
And neutralize them,
neutralize them,
neutralize them’
[guitar riff]
Wake Up — Rage Against The Machine

Posted by: MarcinGomulka | Aug 16 2004 15:33 utc | 2

Coming to America…
The Goss wish list
Be afraid – be very afraid.

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 16 2004 16:33 utc | 3

Yet another example of how much this is a war being engaged on the psychological battlefield. People can be neutralized by their very own minds & ideas. Nifty trick, isn’t it? There’s a saying that could motivate those who are optimistic( or further imprison those who aren’t): It’s not possible to know what’s possible.

Posted by: b real | Aug 16 2004 17:30 utc | 4

Knock knock..
Who’s there? . Are we a police state yet,daddy? No, not yet son. Are we a police state now? No. Are we now?

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 16 2004 19:05 utc | 5

NYT today has an editorial on the issue: Interrogating the Protesters

The F.B.I.’s questioning of protesters is part of a larger campaign against political dissent that has increased sharply since the start of the war on terror.
At the Democratic convention, protesters were sent to a depressing barbed-wire camp under the subway tracks. And at a recent Bush-Cheney campaign event, audience members were required to sign a pledge to support President Bush before they were admitted.
F.B.I. officials insist that the people they interview are free to “close the door in our faces,” but by then the damage may already have been done. The government must not be allowed to turn a war against foreign enemies into a campaign against critics at home.

Posted by: b | Aug 17 2004 7:15 utc | 6

Jim Hightower article in The Nation : Bush Zones Go National

in May of last year, the Homeland Security Department waded butt-deep into the murky waters of political suppression, issuing a terrorist advisory to local law enforcement agencies. It urged all police officials to keep a hawk-eyed watch on any homelanders who [Warning: Do not read the rest of this sentence if it will shock you to learn that there are people like this in your country!] have “expressed dislike of attitudes and decisions of the US government.”
MEMO TO TOM RIDGE, SECRETARY OF HSD: Sir, that’s everyone. All 280 million of us, minus George Bush, you and the handful of others actually making the decisions. You’ve just branded every red-blooded American a terrorist.

Bookmark the Know Your Rights pamphlets by the National Lawyers Guild or pass them along.

Posted by: b real | Aug 17 2004 14:34 utc | 7

Re the NYT article, the second comment in this thread at infoshop contains part of a letter to the ed addressing some innaccuracies in that article.

Posted by: b real | Aug 17 2004 17:18 utc | 8

During the Vietnam era I knew a guy who had burned his draft card on stage. About 6 months after that the FBI knocked on his door and told him they wanted to talk with him. He told them he didn’t want to talk with them, and they should go away. I knew him a year after that and nothing further had happened.
Later we learned that if you answer one question for a Grand Jury, you have to answer all of them.
I’m not a lawyer, but based on what I’ve seen I would refuse to talk with the FBI or let them in. No good can come of it, you are on the ‘red list’ forever once you’ve gotten on it. And getting on the list depends less on what you do than it does on what they believe.
All part of growing up.

Posted by: serial catowner | Aug 18 2004 0:58 utc | 9

thanks, folks, for alerting me to this. I wondered why I seemed to be being watched lately – I arranged a meeting with some old friends who definitely would be on a watch list. I am printing the articles to share with them, in case they’re not aware (yeah, right) and e-mailed them to other friends who are on list-servs.
We laughed at the scene about the San Diego peace group in Fahrenheit 9/11 – but it’s coming to your town now, and serial catowner – I was on the list in the ’70s, so I think you’re right – I’m going to be on it now.

Posted by: francoise | Aug 18 2004 15:35 utc | 10