Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 12, 2004
Relativ Pain

CNNMoney.com currently names a “Second Day of Pain” on its frontpage. They of course refer to falling stockprices and rising oil. But there was no pain for people who were short and used the financial instruments available to bet on falling markets (like I did).

But how can one counter the pain that comes up, when one of the most magical cities of this world gets bombed and destructed in senseless fighting?

Would it help to short an index that reflects the values of:

the library of Al-Haidariyah, the library of Al-Ilmin in At-Tusi’s university, the library of Ash-Shushtariyah Husainiya, the library of Al-Qawam school, the library of both schools of Al-Khalili Al-Kubra and Sughra, the library of Shaikh Jafar Al-Kabir, the library of Shaikh Fakhrul Din At-Taraihi, the library of Ar-Rabitatul Ilmiyah, the library of Abdul Aziz Al-Baghdadi, the library of Muntada An-Nashr which has been moved to the jurisprudence college which locates at Kufah street, the Public Library, the library of Al-Burujirdi, the library of university of Najaf, the library of Shaikh Mohammed Baqir Al-Isfahani, the library of Al-Aakhund, the library of Ar-Rahim, the library of Bahrul Ulum, Sayyid Al-Hakim’s library, the library of Amirul Mu’minin (Commander of Faithful) (peace be upon him), the library of Al-Ya’aqubi, the library of An-Nuri, the library of Al-Balaaqhi, the library of Al-Khutaba’a, the library of Al-Malali (which is related to Aal Al-Millah), the library of Shaikh Aaqa Buzurg At-Tehrani,

and many other libraries in Najaf city?

It doesn´t feel likely to me today.

Comments

More of the uncounted costs of this unnecessary war.

Posted by: maxcrat | Aug 12 2004 20:22 utc | 1

In the open thread Flashharry pointed to a very thoughtful analysis of the fighting in Najaf: Bush gambles as Najaf burns by Michael Schwartz.

The administration of US President George W Bush has embarked on a desperate military adventure in hopes of creating the appearance of a pacified Iraq. …

Posted by: b | Aug 12 2004 20:47 utc | 2

“Shih Huang Ti, King of Tsin, who lived at the time of the wars of Hannibal…built the wall, because walls were defenses; he burned the books because his opponents were invoking them to praise the emperors who had preceded him. Burning books and erecting fortifications are the usual occupations of princes.” J-L. Borges, “The Wall and the Books”

Posted by: alabama | Aug 12 2004 21:55 utc | 3

alabama! Good to see you. I have here a book written by a certain Pierre Menard, and it reminds me of another book whose title and author I forgot. Any idea?

Posted by: teuton | Aug 12 2004 22:02 utc | 4

Into the breach
Inside the shrine wounded return from bloody battle

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 13 2004 0:03 utc | 5

US keeps winning battles, losing wars

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 13 2004 0:34 utc | 6

War? What war?

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 13 2004 1:32 utc | 7

223 dead, 500 wounded in clashes across Iraq

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 13 2004 2:07 utc | 8

nemo
Some break……….have read all the above posts, and most of the other stuff floating around out there. While this all amounts to a mountain of reason against the Najaf operation, there’s been almost no reasoned arguments for it….. except this from Chris Allbrttion Back-to-Iraq. The few others I’ve seen are similar:
“Mobs are terrifying, but they’re relatively easy to deal with if you’re willing to kill a lot of people and say the hell with world opinion. The latter is unlikely to be a problem for Allawi and the Americans, however; world opinion is basically against Moqtada. Oh, sure, you’ll always have hard-core anti-imperialists who support anyone who stands up to the United States’ presence in Iraq. They will make their calls for real democracy in Iraq without understanding that Moqtada and his followers don’t want democracy; they want an Islamic state with Moqtada at the head. And that’s something that vast majority of Iraqis emphatically don’t want. If he and his radical followers get slaughtered, I think the world will believe they brought it on themselves. The West’s brow will remain largely unfurrowed and its conscience untroubled.
Al-Sadr may yet produce his own private Götterdammerung, but whether it remains a ripple or turns into a tsunami remains to be seen.”
I must say this is uncharacteristic (and disturbing) coming from Chris, but, generally the argument goes that al-Sadr and his militia dont really have any political currency, “firebrand” cleric riding on fathers reputation, band of uneducated zealot loosers.All will be glad to be rid of them, they are basically loosers, and essentially, insignificant.
On the face of it this argument belies itself, If he and his followers are so dis-regarded why the all the fuss, or any fuss, let alone the destruction of Najaf, the death of hundreds, the possible defilement of a shrine revered by millions, or the creation of all out insurrection that could not be defeated.
No, the real argument is that al-Sadr and his movement represent a growing movement among the Shiia (while anti-Islamist, anti-Iranian, anti- Saddamist) is decidedly anti-occupation, and anti- American. While al-Sistani is not pro- occupation his history is to appease the political powers that be, and that position was eroded by al-Sadrs presence in Najaf. No, the level of risk and the potential of major blowback the current operation assumes can only mean that al-Sadrs movement represents an equally serious threat to the long term “interests” of the occupation.

Posted by: anna mist | Aug 13 2004 7:49 utc | 9

Personally, I never gave a whit for Bill Clinton until the impeachment trial began.
night moon

Posted by: anna mist | Aug 13 2004 8:35 utc | 10

Arab Blog

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 13 2004 10:12 utc | 11

…A woman was among six people killed and 20 wounded when US shells hit the Izzat district on the Tigris River, said the chief of Kut’s general hospital on Friday.
“The Americans also hit an Iraqi National Guard post by mistake in the al-Haidariya neighbourhood, killing one guardsman and wounding 14 others at around 0200 (2200 GMT)…”
US forces bomb Kut
Al-Sadr sets list of conditions for end to Najaf fighting

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 13 2004 16:23 utc | 14

Nemo, I hope the question is not too naive or outrageous: What do you think about the current mode of attack of the US army in Najaf? Seems to me that they have been trying to isolate al-Sadr’s fighters and not resorted to blanket bombings of the city (not even in Kut). I had expected worse news by now, and I have been following the reports you linked to. Is this due to a silent media or do they show some restraint?
Here’s what Salam Pax said about the militia in April: “You have to be careful about what you say about al-Sadir. Their hands reach every where and you don’t want to be on their shit list. Every body, even the GC is very careful how they formulate their sentences and how they describe Sadir’s Militias. They are thugs, thugs thugs. There you have it.”
Is it possible that anything good is going to come out of this battle? As I said before, I very much appreciate your contributions to the discussion, and I hope this is not out of bounds for you.

Posted by: teuton | Aug 13 2004 18:11 utc | 16

Currently the better cards are in Al Sdar hands – the fact that negotiations are done is allready a victory. But who knows – maybe Bush just waits until the hurricane hits Florida and will drown any other news.
This hurricane will bring him 10+ points in the reelection campaign if Rove is not totally incompetent. Kerry should be in Florida right now if he wants to beat that.

Posted by: b | Aug 13 2004 18:17 utc | 17

via Juan Cole
Moqtada Al-Sadr’s success in acquiring power is more a result of the failure of others to fill the power vacuum than his own charisma. . . If the only test for legitimacy in Iraq is the withdrawal of the occupation force, then Moqtada Al-Sadr will be the last viable Shia leader standing. This is especially true as long as Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani is not very keen on full engagement with the political process . . . Politically, the government of Allawi is not gaining any popularity for two main reasons: firstly because of heavy-handed policies — curfews and clampdowns have alienated many people without making a significant difference on the security front. Secondly, the government has not succeeded in distinguishing itself in any practical way from the regime that was in place before it took charge . . . They must also realise that calling on the Americans to bomb holy cities on their behalf is not the way to garner support and cultivate favour ahead of future elections. ‘
Which raises the question: Have the Americans created Muqtada as a contender by attacking him since last April?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 13 2004 18:53 utc | 18

Allies disappointed by Najaf assault
A very, very significant shift – if the US is losing allies like Bahr al-Uloum the situation in Iraq is not merely bad but hopeless. There is no way on earth that America can function in the country if this class of supporter has been alienated to such an extent that he now sees America as the enemy.
Militiamen threaten to become suicide bombers
Look on the potential of this threat as ‘suicide bombings to date multiplied by hundreds, possibly thousands’.
Mahdi Army surrounds Polish troops
More allies in trouble – how this plays in Poland with the Polish people remains to be seen.

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 13 2004 21:26 utc | 19

teuton,
I cannot speak with authority on Muqtada al-Sadr’s organization, for the same reasons that I believe that nobody actually can. It is spread throughout Iraq, has personnel of varying levels of education and moral rectitude in different areas and during a time of conflict centralized authority and unity of purpose are luxuries sacrificed to circumstances that shift by the hour.
Many of the assessments of Muqtada al-Sadr and his people are filtered through class prejudices and indicate the judgmental outlook of commentators or their social separation from the people that they are describing. Few of the Iraqis who speak to journalists will have first hand, up close experience of daily life in Muqtada al-Sadr’s natural constituency.
The defections of police officers to the ranks of his fighters should give a clue to the religious dimension attached to loyalty to the man and to his position. Religious fervor, whether in angry defence of Najaf and other holy places, or in the patrols of young men in Basra, Baghdad and elsewhere who reprimand women for not conforming to perceived Islamic dress codes, threaten alcohol vendors, cinema owners, sellers of ‘objectionable’ books, CDs et cetera, is a feature of many of his followers.
This fervor translates into attempts to clean up and ‘morally police’ neighborhoods under Mahdi army control, a practice that sometimes elevates the living conditions of residents and secures them rights and protections and which on other occasions leads to intimidation, brutality, the abuse of ‘street power’ and killings.
Taking al-Sadr’s positions on the occupation, the rights of ‘his’ constituency (perhaps 15-20% of the Shi’ite population – remember that the I.R.A. made the Northern Ireland statelet ungovernable at a time when their ‘electoral support’ was only running at 10-12%), the evil of the collaboration of some Iraqis with the American imposed regime along with his unapologetic nationalism and divorce these views from his religious beliefs and you still have a figure who is articulating what substantial numbers of people believe and feel.
I would disagree with Salam Pax that al-Sadr’s people are ‘thugs, thugs, thugs’ – as I have stated, there is frequently a class basis to knee-jerk classifications of a movement made up of tens of thousands and supported by millions. Doubtless there are many who are no angels but it is a grave error to write off the movement and its members in so dismissive a way. Al-Sadr and his lieutenants really do speak for a diverse set of constituencies and who else would do that for them?
It is not to compare like with like, but in some ways al-Sadr’s movement is like a proto-trade union, articulating demands on behalf of its members, safeguarding rights, attempting perhaps to convey an ideological message to all the membership and show people that there is strength in numbers. Al-Sadr is less revolutionary than socially and religiously conservative, and as we know religious conservatism can be a comfort to many, not just Iraqis or other Muslims. Again, not comparing like with like, the Black Panthers in America contained persons of varying levels of politicization and made some valuable efforts at lobbying on behalf of, educating and even feeding their people. Agents provocateurs and persons with less vision and more aggression than was good for a social movement, coupled with the machinations of FBI, ensured that the movement became branded in the public eye as a violent one, a thing that is neither fair nor accurate.
As for the nature of the American attack – there is, for me, no ‘softly softly’ approach that uses aerial bombardment with munitions that can leave a crater 100 meters broad. Certainly great care is being taken to sensitize the media (those elements that are permitted to cover the attack, in an embedded status or via US military press releases), to the idea that this attack constitutes a gentler kind of killing but a dead Iraqi is a dead Iraqi regardless of how he or she was bombed, shot or otherwise disposed of.
Al-Sadr and his people have their place in Iraq and their voices should be heard. I make no judgments on what they believe as they will succeed or fail in their ideological goals according to the responses of the wider Iraqi population. They should not be discounted or marginalized because of the moralizing, judgmental utterances of people, Iraqi or otherwise, who deem them to be social inferiors.
As the US military lurches into another two-step controlled by hawks on the one hand and the plethora of frantic calls doubtlessly coming in from other Arab leaders, religious spokespersons and wiser counsels on the other I would hope that Najaf will pan out as another military, moral and diplomatic defeat for the American war party. They deserve nothing less.
Apologies to all for the length of this posting, but it is not easy to account for al-Sadr and his people as quickly, and dismissively, as most commentators seem to. Theirs is a lazy ‘snapshot’ that ignores the actual appeal and popularity of a far more complex phenomenon. And it is by such misjudgments that American policy seems to be guided, reassessment only coming when the original, clouded thinking runs up against realities.

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 13 2004 22:08 utc | 20

Nemo
Wanted to say thanks much for all the recent work you have done on the current Najaf crisis. Living on an island, without cable, and only elementry computer skill, all the links are invaluable.
Following up on that great overview above, do you think, if this truce is for real, we might finally see Iraqis celebrating in the street, as American armor rolls out of town?

Posted by: anna mist | Aug 14 2004 6:35 utc | 21

The best comment so far on Najaf comes through The Guardian Those they can’t co-opt, they destroy

The US military offensive against Najaf is a dangerous and ill-judged escalation, revealing the violent reality of an occupation that has undergone only cosmetic change since the supposed handover of power to an interim Iraqi administration in June.
For more than a week, an aggressive foreign power has addressed an essentially domestic political question by means of tanks, helicopter gunships and F16s.

The offensive against Najaf is the most crude and inept action possible, and it follows a long line of such actions by the occupation forces and their political leadership.

After Najaf, where are US troops going? Are they going to encircle Thawra (Sadr City), the Baghdad suburb? Are they going to attack every poor suburb of every city from Kirkuk to Basra? And bomb every town where there have been large demonstrations in opposition to the attack on Najaf?
This offensive has already dealt a severe blow to the interim government. It has shown that it is unable to rein in the US presence, and can only fall in line with America’s military imperatives.

Some liberals who opposed the war subsequently adopted an argument that the US and Britain now have a responsibility to remain in Iraq and to see to it that the country arrives at the safe shores of democracy and stability.
This argument is based on the presumption that, left alone, Iraq would fall into internecine conflict which only the US and Britain, being such civilised and civilising nations, could address. This was always a convenient myth, but the repeated military offensives against Iraqi cities must now make it clear that chaos and internecine conflict is with us already, and it is being expanded and prolonged by foreign military forces.

Again the US has lost the battle.Like in Fallujah there never was a chance to win this. Did anybody in the political or militray leadership did think of the endgame they did want to achieve? What outcome did they plan for? It looks like they never had a plan. Any violent outcome – killing Al Sadr, or catching him inside the mosque would start a general uprising. Any nonviolent outcome only can bolster Al Sadr´s standing.
The incompetence of the US leaders can obviously not be overestimated.

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2004 8:16 utc | 22

Perfect Doublespeak:

Captain Bill Coppernoll said on Saturday the bombing was part of an operation called Cajun Mousetrap III.
The attack “was conducted to assist in the freedom of movement for Iraqi citizens and deny the enemy sanctuary in the surrounding area … initial reports indicate that approximately 50 anti-Iraqi forces were killed”, he said.

So at least 50 additional Iraqis now have achieved freedom of movement for Iraqui citizens through US graciousness. Next those 40 destroyed homes are the US helping in reconstructing Iraq and the 84 wounded are to promote the quality of the hospitals. Goebbels would be proud …
Many killed in US bombing of Samarra
More people achieved freedom of movement in Baghdad and Hilla.

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2004 9:57 utc | 23

More to come
Truce talks collapse in Najaf

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 14 2004 13:28 utc | 24

Nemo, I’ve only just come back and read your response. Thank you for taking the time to reply in detail. As in so many other cases, the truth about al-Sadr’s militia is probably neither pure nor simple. The collapse of the negotiations seems to spell more dead in the coming days. Perhaps there is a way to avoid an escalation, given a minimum of good-will from all involved.

Posted by: teuton | Aug 14 2004 14:21 utc | 25

Two US soldiers die as 40 Iraqis killed in Hilla

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 14 2004 14:29 utc | 26

Breathtaking hypocrisy…
Rumsfeld says al-Sadr’s actions ‘unlawful and harmful’
What is that Western saying about pots and kettles again?

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 14 2004 14:38 utc | 27

U.S. forces kill 50 Iraqis in Samarra, 40 in Hilla, 21 in Baghdad, hundreds injured…
Only about five hours of the day left in Iraq now…

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 14 2004 14:51 utc | 28

@ anna mist
Unfortunately, anna, the armor is poised to roll in again and the bombs are being loaded onto planes to extend the killing zones. The truce talks were proceding satisfactorily until Allawi intervened and vetoed agreements his own negotiators had reached. Presumably American eyes scanned the documents, objected and Allawi did as he was told. Evidently the ‘process’ is being driven from behind the scenes by US militarist mindsets.

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 14 2004 14:55 utc | 29

Some Iraq news in PDF form

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2004 15:54 utc | 30

BBC now saying the final push against Sadr is starting soon. When will a 500lb bomb ever be a solution?
The USA should be kicked out of the Olympics.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2004 16:01 utc | 31

CP, good idea. What about athletes from all over the world refusing to compete with US-athletes? Yes, the games are fucking political, and always have been.
BTW: To be sure, I am sorry for the dead in Florida. But they died from a natural desaster. What about the dead in Iraq that died from a US-made desaster? The US killing hundreds of civilians in a foreign country? Fuggedaboutit. Sort it under ‘peace talks with unreasonable radicals have failed’.

Posted by: teuton | Aug 14 2004 17:16 utc | 32

From Juan Cole:

Muqtada declared that “Najaf has triumphed over imperialism and imperial hubris” …
You would think that people would laugh at this situation being called “a triumph of Najaf.” But no one is laughing, and in fact there are pro-Muqtada demonstrations all over Iraq, including in the hard line Sunni areas (!), and insurgencies. Indeed, there have been big demonstrations in Iran, Bahrain and Pakistan as well as in Iraq. ..
Obviously, Allawi and the Americans have Muqtada right where he wants them.

I agree with the last sentence. What can the US do? Kill Muqtada (he doesn´t care) and then how to control the following general insurgency? Bomb the cities to rubble? Even if Muqtada is dead, there will be a new one fairly soon. So the cycle will start again, the US will attack, but will try not to hit the holy mosque. There will be no result except many dead people and then negotiations will start again. How can they be so stupid?

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2004 17:25 utc | 33

@b
“How can they be so stupid?”
Are they? Kerry looks like a milk of magnesia candidate. Bush will Nov by Hook or by Crook.
Take this excerpt via Xymphora…. Here’s Bob Dreyfuss on Kerry’s position on Iraq:
“Kerry’s failure to articulate a coherent policy on Iraq has now reached the status of a three-alarm fire. It seems almost unbelievable: On one hand, here’s a president who invaded a sovereign nation illegally, without the support of the United Nations or U.S. allies, lied about the reasons for the war, failed utterly to find WMD or terrorism ties in Baghdad, misjudged post-invasion Iraq so badly that it is still engaging in nearly full-scale war against the people of Iraq, and apparently has no plan at all about what to do.
And yet it’s Kerry on the defensive?”
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2004 17:35 utc | 34

Talking tactics
Experts urge new tactics in Najaf fight
Presumably these ‘experts’ were not available to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Cambone, Powell, Rice and their administrative and military minions when the drew up their great plan…

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 14 2004 17:52 utc | 35

@Nemo
Here’s a prize quote from the article you linked.
“There was a belief that, with the end of the Cold War, we wouldn’t have to contend with insurgencies any longer,” Hoffman said. “The problem in Iraq is that not only is it an insurgency we didn’t anticipate, we thought the main fighting would be against Saddam Hussein traditional forces, and once they were vanquished, the country would be pacified. So we’re doubly disadvantaged.”
Pardon me, but along with WMD, Saddam didn’t have traditional forces.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2004 18:10 utc | 36

“…here’s a president who invaded a sovereign nation illegally, without the support of the United Nations or U.S. allies, lied about the reasons for the war, failed utterly to find WMD or terrorism ties in Baghdad, misjudged post-invasion Iraq so badly that it is still engaging in nearly full-scale war against the people of Iraq, and apparently has no plan at all about what to do.
And yet it’s Kerry on the defensive?

I am so bitterly ashamed of my country, and so sorry. I have been handing out voter registration forms to new neighbors in the pouring rain today and feel so inept.

Posted by: beq | Aug 14 2004 18:14 utc | 37

@beq – so you think Kerry would help the situation – I have my doubts.

I defended this country as a young man and I will defend it as President.

So Kerry defended the US when he was in the Navy.
Which war did he fight in? Kerry defended his country in Vietnam. The US was defended in Vietnam?
Now thats revisionism at its finest. Kerry will defend his country as President. In Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Canada …..

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2004 18:45 utc | 38

@b
Take away the Vietnam bullshit from Kerry, and look at the stark realities of how he fares versus Bush. Fuck it, even I would be ahead in the polls.
Corporate America. Corporate America. Corporate America. Third Reich.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2004 19:09 utc | 39

Pain
How New Year’s Eve bomb shattered a reporter’s detachment
Behind the somewhat egocentric headline is actually the story of shattered Iraqi lives, and it is interesting to see where the bereaved apportion the blame, and why.

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 14 2004 19:10 utc | 40

NYT:Talks by Iraq and Rebels Fail Over Demands to Withdraw

Although few details of the talks were offered by Dr. Rubaie the central issue seemed, once again, to have been the demand that Mr. Sadr disarm his fighters and withdraw them from the city. Mr. Sadr’s aides said they had demanded that both sides, the American forces and Mr. Sadr’s militia force, the Mahdi Army, withdraw. They said the cleric also wanted pledges by the government to release scores of Sadr fighters taken captive during the recent fighting, and to give amnesty to all who had taken part.
The amnesty demand was certain to be rejected by American commanders, who successfully curbed a broader national amnesty proposal announced by Dr. Allawi earlier this week, limiting its terms to exclude any rebels who have taken part in actions wounding or killing American troops.

“So the sovereign Iraqis had a soution, but the US commanders didn´t agree.
(BTW: Do the headline writers of the NYT ever read the articles?)
other tidbits

An Iraqi freelance reporter working for The New York Times said one convoy of 200 men had arrived in Najaf with food supplies from Falluja..
One of [Al Sadr´s] aides, Ali Sumeisim, who took part in the talks, told reporters that Dr. Rubaie had backtracked on an outline agreement that would have had both sides pull back from the old city, leaving the shrine under the control of the aging ayatollahs who form Iraq’s Shiite clerical hierarchy…

NYT talks of 3000 US servicemen around Najaf, while Reuters still talks about 2000.

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2004 19:15 utc | 41

Najaf
Why the Najaf offensive is on hold
Interesting analysis that pre-dates today’s collapse, at Allawi’s (i.e. America’s), behest, of the negotiations in Najaf.

Posted by: Nemo | Aug 14 2004 19:16 utc | 42

@CP Fuck it, even I would be ahead in the polls. Yes and you would definitly win, while Kerry will lose. (This was not satire!)

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2004 19:18 utc | 43

Some Tinfoil Hats out there

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2004 19:19 utc | 44

@b, the one person who could have destroyed Bush was Tony Blair. That evil fucker is in Athens networking for the 2012 games for London. Yeah right, Tony. Your Gay Past cost Iraqis lots of lives.

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 14 2004 19:24 utc | 45

@Nemo 3:16 PM
That Time anaylsis is good. The political costs of killing Sadr or damaging the mosque are too big. But then what are they going to do now? Al Sadr has reinforced and can sit tight in the mosque. He has probably 1,000 men and is in defense. The US can not use very heavy weapons and has 3,000 troops around, but only half of them are real infantry (forget the Iraqi troops). That would set 1,500 offense against 1,000 defense with only little technical advantage for the offense. Military doctrine says you need at least 3:1 to win an attack. Additionally the US logistics are very problematic (where are the truck drivers) and there are clashes in many other cities too.
I bet the military guys said NO! but Washington (Bush? Cheney? Rumsfeld?) intervined. Wonder what Powell is doing – he should understand the basics.

Posted by: b | Aug 14 2004 19:37 utc | 46