Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 29, 2004
Blow Off

There are many pieces coming to light about the spy case involving the Pentagon´s Iran specialist Franklin.

Josh Marshall, Laura Rozen and Paul Glastris have been on the case for some month and their new Iran-Contra II? piece in The Washington Monthly gives the best background along with Laura´s writings in her weblog War and Piece and Josh´s in his Talking Points Memo.

Also interesting is the background on AIPEC given yesterday by Juan Cole Israeli Spy in Pentagon Linked to AIPAC and his excellent take on the scandal today Fomenting a War on Iran.

Additional information today comes via Newsweek: And Now A Mole? and from the big three: NYT F.B.I. Said to Reach Official Suspected of Passing Secrets, WaPo Analyst Who Is Target of Probe Went to Israel and LAT Report on Iran Key to Spying Inquiry and Pentagon Spy Flap Isn’t Open-and-Shut Case.

Knight Ridder says “the probe is broader than previously reported, and goes well beyond allegations that a single mid-level analyst gave a top-secret Iran policy document to Israel”: FBI espionage probe goes beyond Israeli allegations, sources say

The whole story is just too big and too complicate to be recapitulated here in full, but let me highlight some points.

Larry Franklin is the Pentagons´s top Iran policy analyst. He is working in the office of Undersecretary of Defence for Policy Douglas Feith. He is also a Colonel in the Air Force Reserve and has worked in Israel in this capacity. Some 18 month ago the FBI started an investigation on Franklin for giving away US policy papers on Iran to AIPEC, the right wing Israeli lobby group in Washington. AIPEC is said to have passed this information to Israel. Newsweek reports: “Franklin also passed information gleaned from more highly classified documents, [one] official said.”.

Franklin, together with his colleague Harold Rhode did meet several times with Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar and other Iranian exiles, dissidents and government officials starting in October 2001. Ghorbanifar played a key role in the Reagan administration’s Iran-Contra affair. The meetings also involved Michael Leeden, Nicolo Pollari, the head of Italy’s military intelligence agency, SISMI and the Italian Minister of Defence Antonio Martino. The meetings backchanneled official US policy and the State Department, but the White House is said to have blessed at least the first trip. Defence Minister Antonio Martino is vice president of the Italian Friends of Israel association (Link).

There are many connections to other scandals and it feels like these are all coming together now:

  • Retired Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who had worked in the DoD Middle East group, reported Israeli military and intelligence figures did work closely and off the record with Feith and Wolfowitz in the planning of a Iraq war.
  • SISMI, the Italian military intelligence agency, is involved in the forged Nigerian Yellow Cake documents that falsly connected Iraq to uranium aquisitions and did lead to the Wilson/Plame case.
  • The Pentagon group now under scrutiny is the same that worked to put Ahmad Chalabi into the top position in Iraq. The group is under investigation for illegally giving US information to Chalabi who then has given these to Iran.
  • There are connections to a group of intelligence officers that are currently being trained to “work” in Iran.
There is not yet a connection to Sibel Edmond´s reports of foreign influence in the FBI´s translation service, but I do expect some connections to surface soon.

The opening of this scandal shortly before the Republican convention seems planed. The number of “official leaks” is incredible and this looks like the general hit back by all institutions and persons, CIA, State, FBI etc., that have been hurt by the Neocons over the last years. The consequences for Bush and for the US foreign policy can hardly be overestimated.

The Israeli press is rightly very concerned about the consequences of these scandals. Haaretz: Focus: The ‘dual loyalty’ slur returns to haunt U.S. Jews and Analysis: The Franklin affair will damage Israel’s image J´lem Post: Storm on the Israel-US horizon?

Comments

Juan Cole has an excellent review of this case today.

Posted by: mdm | Aug 29 2004 13:06 utc | 1

Thanks for the very clear summary, Bernhard.
As you say, the timing would too much of a coincidence not to have been planned.
I think we can sit down, relax, and get ready to enjoy the ride…

Posted by: Jérôme | Aug 29 2004 13:09 utc | 2

@mdm – thanks – I did include it now.

Posted by: b | Aug 29 2004 13:34 utc | 3

Bernhard, thanks for this great overview and Jérôme I hope you are right. I am more than willing to relax and enjoy this ride.
I would like to share an observation, which to me is an indication that even the mood of the media is changing, at least subconsciously. I remember last year the WaPo used for every editorial and article about Dean, a very nasty photo where he looked stupid; I was frustrated every time I saw it. About 2 days after he was out of the race and it became clear that. Kerry would be the candidate that picture was replaced with one where he looked really nice. Last year and over the first few month of this year, pictures of Kerry usually where pretty bad. At first, I thought he might just not be photogenic, but all of a sudden, more and more nice pictures of Kerry are showing up. Now the opposite seems to happen with Bush, all this time the media showed those hero pictures of Bush. However, lately this has changed. I find it interesting that there are more and more pictures showing him like in a ‘Sieg Heil’ posture. You can find more often pictures where he looks bad. Remember the one with Laura in the Golf car at the G8. Or the one where he walked out of a press conference. These are just some examples, however, I would say overall the media and this includes the websites of some TV stations show much more unfavorable pictures of Bush.
Maybe, it has also become more difficult to make good pictures of Bush. Have you observed how his posture is detoriating? Now some of this could be due for him not running anymore. However, he is also developing this tire around his waist and this sloppy posture, which I would connect to the psychopharmaca he is taking. I have seen this change with other people taking them too. In may work I pay a lot of attention to posture and it is amazing what a posture can tell about a person and thus I would say he is under enormous emotional pressure even with the medication. For example, that picture of Bush leaving the press conference was labeled as Bush being angry, but to me that was not the posture of an angry person. The way he let his head hang I and rounded his shoulders and other signs, I would say he looked defeated and I was ‘almost’ sorry for him. Therefore, I wonder if he can keep going until November, I would not be surprised if he had a breakdown before then.
So, I hope this was not too much OT, Jérôme’s comment to this post just reminded me of this. I really hope that all these signs indicate the light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: Fran | Aug 29 2004 14:06 utc | 4

Whats the difference in AIPEC, and PNAC? This is the question of our times.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 29 2004 14:42 utc | 5

Are we seeing the last act of Gotterdamnrung?
Lug und Trug: … erledigen kann; denn der Kongress zittert vor Angst vor ‚AIPEC’, der israelischen … 2000 von dem „Project for the New Century“ (PNAC) verfasstes Dokument …
Can anyboby here translate german better than what I have done here? Also, pay attention to these dates.
Der Jude Michal Kinsley schrieb im Magazin „Slate“ vom 24. Oktober 2002:
„Tariq Aziz has a theory. Saddam Hussein’s deputy told the New York Times this week, “The reason for this warmongering policy toward Iraq is oil and Israel.” Although no one wishes to agree with Tariq Aziz, he has put succinctly what many people in Washington apparently believe.The lack of public discussion about the role of Israel in the thinking of “President Bush” is easier to understand, but weird nevertheless. It is the proverbial elephant in the room: Everybody sees it, no one mentions it. The reason is obvious and admirable: Neither supporters nor opponents of a war against Iraq wish to evoke the classic anti-Semitic image of the king’s Jewish advisers whispering poison into his ear and betraying the country to foreign interests.”
Der Jude Ari Shavit schrieb im israelischen Haaretz-Nachrichtendienst vom 5. April 2002 folgendes:
„The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservatives intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town (Washington): the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group or 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Elliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are major driving force of history.”
Der Jude James Rosen schrieb in der kalifornischen Zeitschrift „The Sacramento Bee“ vom 6. April 2003 folgendes:
„In 1996, as Likud Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu prepared to take office, eight Jewish neoconservative leaders sent him a six-page memo outlining an aggressive vision of government. At the top of their list was overthrowing Saddam and replacing him with a monarch under the control of Jordan. The neoconservatives sketched out a kind of domino theory in which the governments of Syria and other Arab countries might later fall or be replaced in the wake of Saddam’s ouster. They urged Netanyahu to spurn the Oslo peace accords and to stop making concessions to the Palestinians. Lead writer of the memo was Perle. Other signatories were Feith, now undersecretary of defense, and Wurmser, a senior adviser to John Bolton, undersecretary of state. Fred Donner, a professor of Near Eastern history at the University of Chicago, said he was struck by the similarities between the ideas in the memo and ideas now at the forefront of Bush’s foreign policy.”
Der Jude Thomas Friedman, ein Kolumnist der jüdischen “New York Times“, sagte am 4. April 2003 folgendes:
„I could give you the names of 25 people, all of whom are at this momet within a five-block radius of this office, without whom, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened. It is not only the neo-concervatives who led us to the outskirts of Bagdad. What led us to the outskirts of Baghdad is a very American combination of anxiety and hybris.”
Der Jude Henry Markow, Autor und Erfinder von „Scruples“, sagte am 10. Februar 2003 folgendes:
“If the U.S. gets bogged down with heavy casualties on both sides, Americans are going to blame big oil and Zionism for getting them into this mess. Everybody knows that: The only country that fears Iraq’s WMD’s is Israel. American-Jewish neo-conservatives on the Defence Policy Board (Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) planned this war in 1998 and made it Bush Administration policy. The purpose of the war is to change the balance of power in the Middle East so Israel can settle the Palestinian issue on its own terms; and Congress trembles in fear before the Israeli Lobby, ‘AIPAC’. At this perilous juncture in US history, there is no effective opposition because Zionist Jews appear to control both parties. The Jewish “Anti Defamation League” considers it a barometer of anti Semitism to say, “Jews have too much power.” But is something anti-Semitic if it is true? Anti Semitism is racial prejudice. Zionist power is not a racial prejudice; it is a fact of life. When a special interest group hijacks American foreign policy, it is a patriotic duty to say so. In recent decades, Zionists have succeeded in making support for Zionism synonymous with “Jewish.” They have made Israel appear to be a vulnerable country facing annihilation in a sea of bloodthirsty Arabs. In fact, Israel has 200-400 nuclear bombs and is one of the most powerful nations on earth. It has evaded many opportunities for a just peace because its secret agenda is to dominate the region. Israel keeps this quiet because most Jews, including Israelis, did not sign on for that.”
Bereits am 15. September 2002 schrieb Neil Mackay im “Sunday Herald” unter dem Titel “Bush plante einen ‘Regimewechsel’ im Irak schon vor seiner Präsidentschaft” (Januar 2001), dass ein im September 2000 von dem „Project for the New Century“ (PNAC) verfasstes Dokument mit dem Titel „Rebuilding America’s Defences: Strategies, Forces and Recources For A New Century“ offenbare, dass eine Bush-Regierung die militärische Kontrolle der Golfregion unabhängig davon anstreben würde, ob Saddam Hussein sich an der Macht befinde oder nicht. Dieses Dokument beruhe, so weiter in diesem Artikel, auf einem noch früheren Papier der Juden Paul Dundes Wolfowitz und Israel Lewis Libby, in dem gleichzeitig ein Regimewechsel in China (siehe „6015“), eine totale Kontrolle des Internets (siehe „6015“) und zukünftige völkerrechtswidrige Aggressionskriege gegen Nord-Korea, Libyien, Syrien und der Iran erörtert würden.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 29 2004 15:09 utc | 6

Spies?

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 29 2004 15:27 utc | 7

Think “Powell,” Bernhard, think “Colin Powell”–the one who tells us not to start shooting until we’re ready to overwhelm the enemy….

Posted by: alabama | Aug 29 2004 15:39 utc | 8

Bernhard: “The whole story is just too big and too complicated to be recapitulated here in full”.
Isn’t that the best guarantee that it will not make much of a difference, at least until after the election? If you cannot rephrase it in one catchy headline, it will drown due to overcomplexity. Media-created outrage (is there any other these days?) focuses on very simply things – like cutting it back to ‘high treason’.

Posted by: teuton | Aug 29 2004 16:29 utc | 9

Uncle dollar-cam, here’s your last paragraph in (hasty) translation:
As early as 9 Sept 2002, Neil Mackay wrote an essay in the Sunday Herald titled “Bush planned a ‘regime change’ in Iraq before his presidency” (January 2001). Mackay wrote that a PNAC-document titled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources for a New Century” unveiled that a Bush-government would seek to militarily dominate the gulf region, no matter whether Saddam Hussein was in power or not. According to Mackay, this document was based on an even earlier paper by the Jews Paul Dundes Wolfowitz and Israel Lewis Libby; in this earlier document, a regime change in China (see “6015”), a total control of the internet (see “6015”) and future wars of aggression violating international law against North-Korea, Libya, Syria, and Iran were discussed.

Posted by: teuton | Aug 29 2004 16:42 utc | 10

@teuton:”The whole story is just too big and too complicated to be recapitulated here in full”.
It took some three hours to read what was available this morning and understand it. Given more resources and time there will emerge a coherent picture.
This story will not die. It is too jucy and the folks involved have made to many enemies. The sources cited include Tenet and other people who have every reason to keep it going.

Posted by: b | Aug 29 2004 17:16 utc | 11

I’m jumping again, because I haven’t had time to read everything yet, but…..
Given the threads leading from Rome/Paris 2001/2 all the way back to Paris 1980, is it not possible that the leaks have also been designed to inoculate against any and all possible 2004 versions of an October surprise?

Posted by: RossK | Aug 29 2004 17:40 utc | 12

Some more reads on the issue:
Laura Rozen site is currently overwhelmed (bandwidth exceeded) so I can´t cite her. But here are some of her thoughts.
Franklin had information that Iran is infiltrating Iraq to stop the oil export and to fight Israeli services working in the Kurdish regions. Franklin couldn´t made himself heard within the administartion and did give this information to AIPAC so it would be given by AIPAC to the NSC. AIPAC did so but also gave the information to the Israeli.
That´s one take, but others reported that Franklin is investigated for further cases. Also there are reports that these investigations started two years ago and that Franklin has been turned by the FBI some month ago. The FBI may be aiming for higher people.It could also be possible that this blow up now was premature, but all these sourcen on so many channels and the timing look more like a concerted planed blow.
Some interesting bits from the Moonies UPI/Washington Times FBI probes DOD office:
A former very senior CIA official told United Press International that Rhode recently had his security clearances lifted.
The source is of course Tenet. Rhode is also said to be on administrative leave.
intelligence official with the CPA as saying, “Rhode was observed by CIA operatives as being constantly on his cell phone to Israel,” and that the information that the intelligence officials overheard him passing to Israel was “mind-boggling,” this source said.
Ledeen “was carried in Agency files as an agent of influence of a foreign government: Israel,”
Feith, then a Middle East analyst on the National Security Council, was fired by Judge William Clark, who had replaced Richard Allen as national security adviser, because Feith “had been the object of an inquiry into whether he had provided classified material to an official of the Israeli Embassy in Washington” and that the FBI “had opened an inquiry.”
Paul Wolfowitz, who an administration official described as having played a “large role in getting Feith” his current job, was working for the Arms Control and Disarmament agency in 1978 and was the subject of an investigation that alleged he had provided “a classified document on the proposed sale of U.S. weapons to an Arab government to an Israeli government official” via “an AIPAC intermediary,” according to Green. The probe was eventually dropped.
In 1981, Wolfowitz, who was working as head of the State Department Policy Planning Staff, hired Ledeen as a Special Advisor, Green said.

Green is author of Serving Two Flags – Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush Administration in Counterpunch.
My take for now:
Wolfowitz and Perle manage to get a group of Israeli influence agents into the middle of the US policy process and manipulate the US into war. Seeing their achievements they become less careful and openly work with their masters from Tel Aviv breaking national laws.
If this can be somehow proven, it is bigger than Iran/Contra. But it also can be played down and may not end in front of a jury. What it does in any case is to severly damage the neocon agenda and reputation and to distance the US from Israel Likut policy. That is allready enough reason to open a bottle of exquisit French champagne.

Posted by: b | Aug 29 2004 17:54 utc | 13

.. many thanks for the resumé B – and others. i don’t keep up with these stories and am happy to be able to get some grip on them ..

Posted by: Blackie | Aug 29 2004 18:04 utc | 14

“double loyalty slur” WTF are they thinking? That was an awful slur 100 years ago, and it was even obviously foolish in cases like Dreyfus when he was accused of working for Germany “because he’s Jewish”, which was one of the stupidest reasoning I’ve ever seen, outside of creationism. Now, there are a few facts that make the whole accusation of anti-semitism quite moot, most of all the official Israeli “Right of return”, which means that every non-Israeli Jew is de facto a potential citizen. That’s not a slur anymore, particularly with people actually having the double US and Israeli citizenship. But there’s no denying that as long as this misdirected right of return exists, this will be a risk for Jewish people outside Israel.
“Whats the difference in AIPEC, and PNAC?”
AIPAC wants Israel to be a major power and the US basically to be its (unknowing but willing) vassal. PNAC wants the US to rule the whole world, with Israel as a faithful and strong lieutenant, helping it when needed.
Oh, and Uncle$scam, it would be best not to link to drivel sites like that revisionist Nazi one above. I mean, when you host articles about how “Jews killed 20 mio of German prisoners during WWII”, you kinda lose your credibility, don’t you think? Actually, since the guy seems to be German, there are some fine German legislations and law-enforcers I’d quite like him to meet.
“the one who tells us not to start shooting until we’re ready to overwhelm the enemy”
Coupling that with what Jérôme said, this would mean that a major shitstorm is about to hit the GOP. In fact, I’m beginning to wonder if there couldn’t be a Powell-McCain axis, with possibly a few other GOP honchos, and with the possible aim of having a Powell-McCain ticket (in this way or reverse) for 2008. I say 2008 because it’s a bit late for a real palace coup that would oust Bushco before the end of the week.
Beside, I’m still waiting for the announcement of Tenet’s book, but I’m not so sure it’ll be ready for the election.
All in all, like others, my feeling is that some powerful people (who take seriously their duty to protect America first of all, even if it may hurt other allies) had enough and decided to bring down a wide range of neo-cons – and screw the political consequences for November.
There’s also something else: there were military actions against Iran planned, if not a full invasion. These leaks will obviously alert Tehran, effectively stopping in their tracks all the warmongers. Some guys clearly think that Iraq is enough of a mess now not to add a way bigger one.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 29 2004 19:12 utc | 15

@CJ
Maybe because
Hundreds of thousands of anti-Bush protesters have taken to the streets of New York City on the eve of the Republican National Convention.

And this is from the Torygraph!

Posted by: Cloned Poster | Aug 29 2004 19:18 utc | 16

See yourself:
The caption under the pictire at the top of the article says:
A show of force: Iran displays its military might at the border with Israel
Geography anyone?
Newsweek And Now a Mole?

Posted by: b | Aug 29 2004 19:51 utc | 17

Bernhardt,
That is why Americans have wars, to learn geography.
BTW you seem to think this spy story will be a big deal. I am not so sure. I think it has been released now so that it can get mixed up with the protests in New York. It will all go away in a couple of days. No way will the “special relationship” be put in serious danger.

Posted by: Dan of Steele | Aug 29 2004 20:16 utc | 18

Kate Storm isn’t around this afternoon so I’ll go ahead and quote Ayn Rand:
“Never bother to examine a folly. Ask only what it accomplishes.”
I posted an exerpt yesterday afternoon from Ted Galen Carpenter’s 1992 book “The Search for Enemies,” in which he explains that the reason the first Bush administration declined to march on Baghdad from Kuwait and, later, to aid the Kurds and the Shi’ites in an anti-Saddam insurgency, is that the influence of the Shi’ite fundamentalist regime in Tehran would have likely increased as a result, and the region destabilized. Destabilization and the emboldening of religous fundamentalists were anathema to that administration.
Destabilization is not anathema to neoconservatives, who regard it as a necessary interim state in pursuit of their chief foreign policy goal: a Middle East subservient to US (and, in turn, Israeli) interests and wishes.
Whether Iraqi Freedom could have been “won” in the sense that a free and stable, US-friendly state could be estabished in the place of the one that collapsed, will be the subject of debate for a long, long time. But there is virtually no debate that the US committed far, far too few troops to stability and security operations in the immediate aftermath of the war. It’s not like we couldn’t spare them to the task; the troops were available, and if getting them in position added more time to the whole long, drawn-out build-up, it would hardly matter. We certainly weren’t seeking any advantage of surprise.
So why the small number of troops? What was the imperative? What was to be gained by it? We know that the administration did not send more troops to Afghanistan because they were never convinced of the importance of the operation there. Iraq was always their strategic and tactical focus in what would become the WoT. But, bizarrely, pains were not taken to maximize their chances of mid- and long-term success, or to minimize the odds of failure, by putting 400,000 troops on the ground early on.
Bush recently said in an interview that his administration “miscalculated” post-war conditions in Iraq – and that those conditions were a result of unforseen swift victory. Yet the swift victory was anything but unforseen; it was foreordained. In truth, he was sold a defective scenerio – not by honest and experienced war-planners, who anticipated serious trouble down the road – but by those with an agenda independent of his. (You can argue with me about it.) That agenda includes a confrontation with Iran, for which Iraq is the set-up.
Michael Ledeen has been saying for quite some time that success in Iraq – and in the WoT generally – is not possible without bringing down the regime in Iran. And here we find ourselves very, very unsuccessful – and wondering what to do other than chase around al Sadr and play whack-a-mole with Ba’athist militias. Whaddya know.
Will a US-Iranian confrontation ever sell? We’ve already got that confrontation, on a lower level, in Iraq – and who’s to say that wasn’t a part of the plan all along for those who, with a straight face, have pretended to lament the ostensible failures of others?
Would the neoconservatives sacrifice this presidency to a backlash against a purposely fucked-up operation, which then serves as the impetus for actively seeking regime change in Iran?

Posted by: Pat | Aug 29 2004 22:35 utc | 19

Pat, that’s a fresh and plausible take on IOF, given the perversity, patience and persistence of the neo-cons. But (if I’m not mistaken) you also pass over your earlier take on Rumsfeld (who’s not exactly a neo-con)–viz., that he mainly saw IOF as a test for his mean and speedy machine (whence all the Humvees, and other, field-inappropriate materiel). No problem, of course, for the neo-cons–they just wanted to get there–but the military must be appalled at having been trashed in this frivolous way. You’ve also said, I think, that we don’t have the forces to do that Iranian adventure, and if we don’t, why would CENTCOM let itself be trashed a second time? Or do the “civilians” run things as they please?

Posted by: alabama | Aug 29 2004 23:54 utc | 20

@Alabama:
If another one of theses fiascos were in the planning, I think a lot of the Army and Marine
staff at the Five-Sided Puzzle Palace would be busy putting the final touches on Plan Von Stauffenberg.

Posted by: Trotsky’s Ghost | Aug 30 2004 0:11 utc | 21

@alabama
We don’t have the troops, but I expect the cap on troop levels to be raised by Congress at least a couple of times – not, necessarily, with an eye toward Iran, but with a view to providing relief for Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran is a nasty operation no matter which way you look at it. Different country, radically different story. Undoubtedly plans (maybe a handful of them) exist – if only because plans exist for just about everything that might pop up. Undoubtedly, too, the neoconservatives (among who are ex-military personnel) have an outline for regime change in Iran.

Posted by: Pat | Aug 30 2004 0:20 utc | 22

Then, Pat, the more urgent point I’m hearing is that someone–Bush or Kerry, it doesn’t matter which–will be hustled into Iran through the impetus arising from someone else’s having kicked off the fuck-up in Iraq. You may be arguing that both these guys are too weak to say no to the neo-cons, and to walk away, slowly, slowly, from Iraq. If so, it’s another plausible point, but also pretty dark. If you’d be willing to point out a few more scary things to fill out the picture, then it might becoming a compelling point as well.

Posted by: alabama | Aug 30 2004 0:41 utc | 23

Hey Pat … I don’t mind a Rand quote or two. Really I don’t. I don’t see the workings of things, and the perfection of things in a Randian way, and I make no bones about that. 😉 That quote seems a decent one. “Why” questions rarely reveal what the questioner really wants to know. As her quote says, in the same way a more ancient source also implies is: ’tis better to ask Cui bono? Who benefits?

Posted by: Kate_Storm | Aug 30 2004 0:58 utc | 24

“In fact, I’m beginning to wonder if there couldn’t be a Powell-McCain axis, with possibly a few other GOP honchos, and with the possible aim of having a Powell-McCain ticket (in this way or reverse) for 2008.”
Neither is interested; both will be too old. The simpler explanation is that Powell is a tool, and McCain is a true believer. Both clearly value loyalty over truth.
It is going to be ¡JEB! in 2008, regardless of who wins or loses. Republicans are that intellectually bankrupt.

Posted by: Tom DC/VA | Aug 30 2004 3:37 utc | 25

Do follies in the shrubbery require examining?
“…Bush recently said in an interview that his administration “miscalculated” post-war conditions in Iraq – and that those conditions were a result of unforseen swift victory.”
I agree with Pat that the post war situation is not due to the unforseen, at least with respect to the “swift victory”.
However, it could be argued that what was unforseen was the reaction of Iraqis themselves, as opposed to the Bechtels and the Halliburtons, to the blitzkrieg-like economic shock therapy that followed immediately on the heels of the military shock and awe.
Naomi Klein makes a clear and cogent argument that this was indeed the case in her piece the Sept. Harpers in which she concludes:
“The fact that the (laisssez-faire economic) boom never came and Iraq continues to tremble under explosions of a very diffrent sort should never be blamed on the absence of a plan. Rather the blame rests with the plan itself, and the extraordinarily violent ideology upon which it is based”

Posted by: RossK | Aug 30 2004 3:58 utc | 26

Pat:
Destabilization and the emboldening of religous fundamentalists were anathema to that [Bush 41] administration.
Destabilization is not anathema to neoconservatives, who regard it as a necessary interim state in pursuit of their chief foreign policy goal: a Middle East subservient to US (and, in turn, Israeli) interests and wishes.”

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In a previous off topic thread Pat quoted the neocon_man Francis Fukayama in his The End Of History And The Last Man:
“In a situation in which all moralisms and religious fanatacisms are discouraged in the interest of tolerance, in an intellectual climate that weakens the possibility of belief in any one docrine because of an overriding commitment to be open to all the world’s beliefs and ‘value systems,’ it should not be surprising that the strength of community life has declined in Islamic countries. This decline has occurred not despite liberal principles, but because of them. This suggests that no fundamental strengthening of community life will be possible unless individuals give back certain of their rights to communities, and accept the return of certain historical forms of intolerance.”

Posted by: koreyel | Aug 30 2004 4:26 utc | 27

@clueless joe
Oh, and Uncle$scam, it would be best not to link to drivel sites like that revisionist Nazi one above. I mean, when you host articles about how “Jews killed 20 mio of German prisoners during WWII”, you kinda lose your credibility, don’t you think?
Not sure where you get the “revisionist Nazi” insinuation, that you say I linked to. As for my credibility, I’m not really worried. Anybody whom reads my posts knows where my passion and thinking is. I am neither left nor right. I am a transhumanist if I must use a label.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 30 2004 5:28 utc | 28

Looking around this morning for updates to the mole story. Nothing in CNN which also says tens of thousands of protesters in New York while Italian TV was reporting over 250,000. Nothing in Yahoo.
I guess it is old news already, released on a weekend and already burned out by Monday morn.

Posted by: Dan of Steele | Aug 30 2004 6:43 utc | 29

Get your Coupons! lol…no really this is not spam.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 30 2004 7:15 utc | 30

here is a cover I’d like to see

Posted by: Dan of Steele | Aug 30 2004 8:36 utc | 31

Uncle $cam and Dan of Steel:
Thanks, I needed that!

Posted by: beq | Aug 30 2004 11:33 utc | 32

Uncle, I wasn’t speaking of your credibility, just of that site’s credibility – just visit the front page and see the stuff there; anyone who has an article that states that Nazis were great occupiers and all was fine in France, as opposed to Evil Jews-inspired English, American and Russian occupiers has some serious credibility issues, which are of course all the more obvious when claiming WWII was basically a defensive war for Germany against genocide by these pesky Jews. Even if you can get some genuine quotes and sometimes facts in reivisonist and nazi sites, you can get them from more solid sources, basically. That was just my friendly pointless opinion.
Dan: I’d pay for that cover!

Posted by: CluelessJoe | Aug 30 2004 13:19 utc | 33

!!!What koreyel said!!!!
@koreyel,
have you ever noticed that those three have in common the suppression of women first? where did I read that, the Chalice and the Blade?
if we are going to beat these bastards, we have to free our own women citizens to help us do it.
our male-dominated society will never value the earth, the laborors, the kids, the peace, etc without women’s political and financial participation.

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 30 2004 17:32 utc | 34

or rather women’s economic participation …which is suppressed and ignored by GDP calculations, ‘secondary earner’ tax requirements, social security benefit formulas etc.

Posted by: gylangirl | Aug 30 2004 17:37 utc | 35

uggabugga has a nice graphic to explain the complex story about the AIPAC spy case. Juan Cole has also some new information.

Posted by: b | Aug 30 2004 18:10 utc | 36

gylangirl…
I like to think “we are going to beat these bastards.”
Because I tend to believe this is their last hurrah.
In other words: this is their end time and they know it.
That’s why they are fervid war mongers. It is their only hope of prolonging their rule.
Otherwise… they have little chance to maintain power–as the trends of history are all progessive and their ideas are all dinosaurian.
So they are defunct unless they can funk up the world–thereby making their angry personalities valuable.
As far as the repressing of woman by these three pychotic groups: I read your previous post beneath mine on the Benign Social Genocide thread.
I haven’t read much about fundamentalist jews oppressing woman.
One of these days you ought to collect your thoughts and links and elaborate on that.

Posted by: koreyel | Aug 30 2004 18:56 utc | 37